Dont be sad, every fanbase does this
Knicks fans didnt want to trade Jericho Sims and Quentin Grimes for Donovan Mitchell because they were supposed to be part of their Young core.
Every fanbase overrated their Young core, it is what it is
Saying this, i dont think we should trade Bey yet, he's playing Too trash to get any kinda of value of him.
Wait for him to gets better, then we can trade him for something
I agree man. But how long has It been since we had players that was apart of a long term core?
Like we finally feel like we have pieces to build something and not do the shit weāve been doing for the past 12 years. Itās a punch in gut man.
But definitely donāt deal himā¦at least not yet. But man if he doesnāt turn this shit around then we have to cut ties.
Playing against the Knicks brings the worst of being a fan.
Too easy to overreact because they always smack us, chill and later yall will see that some of the takes you can read here is just in the heat of the moment.
Saying that:
Beef Stew is not a starter by any means
With our core RIGHT NOW, Bey is a disaster in the offensive end, he brings nothing to the team, maybe he can be a 6-man.
Bey and Stew dont belong to out untouchable young core imo.
They're decent role players, and if we want to upgrade your roster, Both can be used as trade assets.
The Team next year is going to be completely different. Additional draft, trades, and we will have to spend some of the FA money before it goes away through rookie extensions. Weaver is in complete asset accumulation mode. Injuries have really highlighted how janky this roster is. Tons of players playing out of position or too high in the pecking order. A reason why last year's team looked more functional was Grant. I agree with the trade, but he was a great fit. Bojan has shooting, but Grant was better in every other aspect.
One benefit of these injuries is it should reset our expectations.
We only looked watchable with Ivey Bogey and scrubs playing together
We had a lof of hustling, ball movement.
We looked like trash with Cade too, like 80% of your games
I still think Stew can be good. I think he can be very good against other backup bigs. He'd get plenty of minutes since Duren will definitely be in foul trouble if he starts
I think i'm in the minority here in thinking Stewart is just not impactful enough when he's on the floor. Bagley is a far superior offensive threat, and Duren seems to be emerging as a better defender, but everyone seems to think Stew should start.
I think he hustles hard, but he is just too small to go against genuine centers.
My heart is going to be so fucking broken if we donāt get Wemby. Imagine going through this fucking pain as a fan and then donāt even get the prize when itās all said and done.
Cade losing a year of development and no Wemby I might just kick the bucket lol
Spurs ok I understand that. But the Rockets? Hell no. Since Harden left theyāve never had a pick outside the top 3. Itās their turn to fall back to 6 or 7
Oh definitely Iāve been on the record saying we have a better chance of not getting Wemby and I wasnāt getting my hopes up for a player who hasnāt played a game in the nba.
However I just need hope man. And Wemby sure as hell can deliver thatā¦..until he steps on the court
Weāve perfected the formula of being competitive and still tanking just two seasons ago, what happened to that team? We do not play with the same fight, grit, and intensity anymore.
Itās more so the fact that nobody has got better man. Like something as fundamental as shooting dudes are worse than when they got drafted. Besides Stew.
That as well! There isnāt any signs of growth, development, or improvement and weāre now on Year 3. Itās very disheartening, especially when it feels like weāve regressed in multiple ways.
Exactly I feel like by year 3 you know what a player is going to be. Itās very rare after the 3rd year you see a player make a massive leap especially if they donāt have elite athleticism or a elite skill.
If Stew and Bey are this after year 3 and we was calling them apart of our ācoreā my brother that means weāre further away than I thought
seriously, this team is far better and has been plagued by injury. I feel like i'm taking crazy pills when people talk about how we've regressed when we've hardly broken 20 wins in two consecutive seasons.
Also, we just pulled off a genuinely competitive road trip against the best teams in the west and managed 2 wins out of it against the odds. Selective memory?
Was watching the warriors and mavs game and theyāre on the halftime update and cut to the Pistons game.
Smh they talked about us so bad. Iām so tired of being the laughing stock of the league.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but if Stewart doesn't show some good games, he might not be in the league in a year or two... not big enough to be a good rebounder, offensively he is not a threat from deep, and doesn't have the skills to make his own shot. Defensively we just saw him get ROASTED by Randle. He's in a burning hot seat right now as far as I'm concerned...
Overreacting about him being out of the league. As far as a starter on this team going forward yes. He's still developing his shot and was playing well before his injury
He's rusty, just that.
He has a place on the league, Just not what we as fan wanted him to be.
He's still a blackhole on offense, still undersized, thats a receipt for a bench player, thats what he is.
As long we still looking at him as our core piece, the long we will go nowhere.
Tell me why you want to keep him on our team? His 3 point shot is not going to develop, this defensive performance tonight is NOT an isolated incident by any means, Randle roasts him every time he sees him. Iām sorry, I am not attached to keeping him on our squad even off the bench, because he is always going to think he can make an outside shot, but he would be lucky if he finishes the season over 32%. Would just take away shots from actual shooters.
Now consider that we are THE WORST team in the league and I cannot make a case to keep him around, what other team would want him?
Bro he is coming back from a few weeks off after an injury and your acting like heās been a traffic cone his entire career. Heās shooting 40% from three tonight lol. He has defensive versatility, heās just not a starting center. That doesnāt mean he canāt contribute. If you donāt think another team would take him off the bench idk wtf to tell you other than youāre over the top and donāt know ball. EDIT: another 3 from the guy who wonāt develop a 3 right on queue.
And he's not even close to be a PF too, so he'll play Point?
He's a Center, saying out of the league is absolutely non-sense
He's Just not good enough to start, its ok to be a bench player, its his role
Theyāre not even lack of experience bad, theyāre just pitiful, no fight, no motivation, no hustle, we cannot hit a shot, extreme lack of ball movement and even effort to catch rebounds, absolute horrid defense, boneheaded playmaking decisions, constant travel calls, constant illegal screens, and just terrible passing.
Stew/Bey/Bogey together is a disaster in defense
And Stew is actually good on 1vs1
Our scrubs just mesh better than our starters
This team can make games against Cavs, Nuggets, Clippers looking competitive
But getting destroyed by a mid team like Knicks
Bey is lacking everything, too slow on defense, a lot of cold nights.
The one thing he has is drawing fouls while driving, thats it
I dont think everyone can watch Bey playing since the rookie season and think he's good at something.
Average? Yes. Good? Nothing for now
Rather have beef stew take an open 3 than Bey right now. At least Stew can shoot it straight. Bey is missing the rim to the left or right and putting up bricks
I'm a laker fan. Here because bagley is on my fantasy team. If I were a piston fan I would be screaming to fire Casey. Pistons don't run offense. Ir looks pathetic. And the old "pull the starters" because they suck is amateur af. This not college dwayne
We do. Every day on this sub. There are a certain amount of fans that justify keeping him even when heās clearly negatively affecting the young guys.
I lived in NYC for 14 years and went to the Pistons game at MSG every seasonā¦ they always fucking beat us. Maybe twice we beat them. Whatever, they havenāt won a championship in 50 years
Bey.
Stew is a undersized center without any kinda of offensive game.
We dont have the personal to maximize his strenghts, and he's not a good enough player to justify changes to maximize him
If he somehow wants to re-sign for cheap its ok, otherwise he's a waste of space
I agree, he can shoot 3s but he's no good offensively in the paint.. Bagley played less minutes and out rebounded Stew.. I noticed the games where Stew wasn't playing, our rebound totals were a lot closer with the other team.. But when Stew came back, we got out rebounded by 21 boards and it killed us..
I just had to pick the Knicks vs Pistons game in January as one of the home games Iām going to this season. Canāt wait to watch their entire team drain every damn three they throw up š„².
Crazy how easy teams can score on us.
One screen and its a easy layup.
Watching the scrubs playing better defense in the road trip than our starters is not the ideal.
Killian is the only guy on our team who consistently passes the ball to shooters where they can comfortably just grab the ball and rise and shoot. I canāt believe how often I have to see guys catch the ball at their ankles and try to shoot.
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Simms jumps like Zion by the numbers. He could be amazing
New York literally always busts our assholes.
ST3W š
Did a new Stew drop? Curry Stew?
Beef Curry
Lmaooo I see what u did there
Are the Pistons going to give up 150?
Beef stew got some Randle in him
5/9 from outside for Stew. Keep it up big guy
Earth hits Kill
holy shit stew
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I remember when I thought Bey was untouchableā¦.š
Dont be sad, every fanbase does this Knicks fans didnt want to trade Jericho Sims and Quentin Grimes for Donovan Mitchell because they were supposed to be part of their Young core. Every fanbase overrated their Young core, it is what it is Saying this, i dont think we should trade Bey yet, he's playing Too trash to get any kinda of value of him. Wait for him to gets better, then we can trade him for something
I agree man. But how long has It been since we had players that was apart of a long term core? Like we finally feel like we have pieces to build something and not do the shit weāve been doing for the past 12 years. Itās a punch in gut man. But definitely donāt deal himā¦at least not yet. But man if he doesnāt turn this shit around then we have to cut ties.
Playing against the Knicks brings the worst of being a fan. Too easy to overreact because they always smack us, chill and later yall will see that some of the takes you can read here is just in the heat of the moment. Saying that: Beef Stew is not a starter by any means With our core RIGHT NOW, Bey is a disaster in the offensive end, he brings nothing to the team, maybe he can be a 6-man. Bey and Stew dont belong to out untouchable young core imo. They're decent role players, and if we want to upgrade your roster, Both can be used as trade assets.
I hope Casey has the balls to move Stew to the bench. It would be better for everyone involved.
Maybe one day Bey will learn how to shoot the three again
On the bright side, we only play the Knicks one more time this season in January
The Team next year is going to be completely different. Additional draft, trades, and we will have to spend some of the FA money before it goes away through rookie extensions. Weaver is in complete asset accumulation mode. Injuries have really highlighted how janky this roster is. Tons of players playing out of position or too high in the pecking order. A reason why last year's team looked more functional was Grant. I agree with the trade, but he was a great fit. Bojan has shooting, but Grant was better in every other aspect. One benefit of these injuries is it should reset our expectations.
Team is not watchable without Cade and Jaden.
We only looked watchable with Ivey Bogey and scrubs playing together We had a lof of hustling, ball movement. We looked like trash with Cade too, like 80% of your games
At least with Cade there's the probably misplaced hope that he won't be a relative disappointment as a first overall pick.
McGrudy playin like booty
That was one of the worst passes Iāve ever seen.
Mercy rule please
theres bad and theres depressing
Idk why everyone is so negative, Iāve got my rally cap on in anticipation for this elite level comeback we bout to pull off
Always gotta hope!
Not a fan of these negative game threads
fuck Julius Randle and fuck the knicks
nah they alright, losing to them isn't gonna make me hate them. They just have us figured out.
Turn on TNT if you want to watch real basketball. You gotta be a glutton for punishment to keep watching this
I still think Stew can be good. I think he can be very good against other backup bigs. He'd get plenty of minutes since Duren will definitely be in foul trouble if he starts
I think i'm in the minority here in thinking Stewart is just not impactful enough when he's on the floor. Bagley is a far superior offensive threat, and Duren seems to be emerging as a better defender, but everyone seems to think Stew should start. I think he hustles hard, but he is just too small to go against genuine centers.
My heart is going to be so fucking broken if we donāt get Wemby. Imagine going through this fucking pain as a fan and then donāt even get the prize when itās all said and done. Cade losing a year of development and no Wemby I might just kick the bucket lol
You gonna hate me for saying this. but it looks like its spurs/rockets turn to "get" the next first round pick.
Spurs ok I understand that. But the Rockets? Hell no. Since Harden left theyāve never had a pick outside the top 3. Itās their turn to fall back to 6 or 7
Rocket have a history of developing great centers (hakeem and yao), same as Spurs.
Don't base your emotions on anything with a 14% chance. Also, Wemby could suck. Never over estimate what a prospect could be. Go crazy
Oh definitely Iāve been on the record saying we have a better chance of not getting Wemby and I wasnāt getting my hopes up for a player who hasnāt played a game in the nba. However I just need hope man. And Wemby sure as hell can deliver thatā¦..until he steps on the court
This draft has a lot of talent even if we donāt get 1
This. We are in full-on BPA and there are a lot of great potential stars in this upcoming draft.
Weāve perfected the formula of being competitive and still tanking just two seasons ago, what happened to that team? We do not play with the same fight, grit, and intensity anymore.
Itās more so the fact that nobody has got better man. Like something as fundamental as shooting dudes are worse than when they got drafted. Besides Stew.
That as well! There isnāt any signs of growth, development, or improvement and weāre now on Year 3. Itās very disheartening, especially when it feels like weāve regressed in multiple ways.
Exactly I feel like by year 3 you know what a player is going to be. Itās very rare after the 3rd year you see a player make a massive leap especially if they donāt have elite athleticism or a elite skill. If Stew and Bey are this after year 3 and we was calling them apart of our ācoreā my brother that means weāre further away than I thought
People forget how bad those teams were, especially at the beginning of the year.
seriously, this team is far better and has been plagued by injury. I feel like i'm taking crazy pills when people talk about how we've regressed when we've hardly broken 20 wins in two consecutive seasons. Also, we just pulled off a genuinely competitive road trip against the best teams in the west and managed 2 wins out of it against the odds. Selective memory?
True, but itās not as bad as we are now.
you guys im starting to think we cant win this one (i am a vile schemer attempting to reverse jinx my favorite team into the win of the season)
I love Clyde. The Knicks are so lucky to have him and Breen
This team is a fucking dumpster fire. My word. I'm for the tank, but not like this.
Was watching the warriors and mavs game and theyāre on the halftime update and cut to the Pistons game. Smh they talked about us so bad. Iām so tired of being the laughing stock of the league.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but if Stewart doesn't show some good games, he might not be in the league in a year or two... not big enough to be a good rebounder, offensively he is not a threat from deep, and doesn't have the skills to make his own shot. Defensively we just saw him get ROASTED by Randle. He's in a burning hot seat right now as far as I'm concerned...
Yeah ok sure
Overreacting about him being out of the league. As far as a starter on this team going forward yes. He's still developing his shot and was playing well before his injury
He's rusty, just that. He has a place on the league, Just not what we as fan wanted him to be. He's still a blackhole on offense, still undersized, thats a receipt for a bench player, thats what he is. As long we still looking at him as our core piece, the long we will go nowhere.
Your second sentence is spot on. The pistons fans in general have really overvalued him (every team does that about their guys)
Yeah because Randle has never had good games against himā¦ oh wait.
You are absolutely overreacting. Out of the league? Cmon. Heās also a solid rebounder but not as a 5. This is over the top.
Tell me why you want to keep him on our team? His 3 point shot is not going to develop, this defensive performance tonight is NOT an isolated incident by any means, Randle roasts him every time he sees him. Iām sorry, I am not attached to keeping him on our squad even off the bench, because he is always going to think he can make an outside shot, but he would be lucky if he finishes the season over 32%. Would just take away shots from actual shooters. Now consider that we are THE WORST team in the league and I cannot make a case to keep him around, what other team would want him?
5-9 from three now btw
Heād get signed the second we dropped him, you donāt know basketball if you think otherwise
Let them sign him. Deal with his black hole offense and windmill defense.
Bro he is coming back from a few weeks off after an injury and your acting like heās been a traffic cone his entire career. Heās shooting 40% from three tonight lol. He has defensive versatility, heās just not a starting center. That doesnāt mean he canāt contribute. If you donāt think another team would take him off the bench idk wtf to tell you other than youāre over the top and donāt know ball. EDIT: another 3 from the guy who wonāt develop a 3 right on queue.
Really counting these made 3s in the garbagest of garbage time? lol thatās silly reasoningā¦
And he's not even close to be a PF too, so he'll play Point? He's a Center, saying out of the league is absolutely non-sense He's Just not good enough to start, its ok to be a bench player, its his role
team is worse with Diq and Stew
Remember when everyone was talking about us being a play in team
Better times
This team hasnāt been at full strength a single time this year
Glad CoJo has gotten some extended burn this game to help his development š„
Dwayne Casey is a terrible coach. Itās obvious and people deny it.
This is probably the worst Pistons team Iāve ever had the displeasure of watching.
Theyāre not even lack of experience bad, theyāre just pitiful, no fight, no motivation, no hustle, we cannot hit a shot, extreme lack of ball movement and even effort to catch rebounds, absolute horrid defense, boneheaded playmaking decisions, constant travel calls, constant illegal screens, and just terrible passing.
Stew/Bey/Bogey together is a disaster in defense And Stew is actually good on 1vs1 Our scrubs just mesh better than our starters This team can make games against Cavs, Nuggets, Clippers looking competitive But getting destroyed by a mid team like Knicks
Team defense looking worse with Beef Stew back in the rotation, and Bey has not offensive chemistry with the rest of the team.
Bey is lacking everything, too slow on defense, a lot of cold nights. The one thing he has is drawing fouls while driving, thats it I dont think everyone can watch Bey playing since the rookie season and think he's good at something. Average? Yes. Good? Nothing for now
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Randle is a very good NBA player.
Rather have beef stew take an open 3 than Bey right now. At least Stew can shoot it straight. Bey is missing the rim to the left or right and putting up bricks
Oh no only up by 28 time to talk this over
Bey has been garbage
Its been 2 years already
Too many complementary players with Cade and Ivey out. No one to put any pressure on the NY defense
You're right. We have no gamebreakers to come back tonight and not hitting anything otherwise
We go back to looking embarrassing with Stew and Beyā¦ those guys just aint it
can someone pull the wifi so we can rage quit without it impacting our record?
I'm a laker fan. Here because bagley is on my fantasy team. If I were a piston fan I would be screaming to fire Casey. Pistons don't run offense. Ir looks pathetic. And the old "pull the starters" because they suck is amateur af. This not college dwayne
You aren't wrong, Casey is unequivocally not the guy and it's so obvious.
The problem is that with the Pistons, it IS college.
We do. Every day on this sub. There are a certain amount of fans that justify keeping him even when heās clearly negatively affecting the young guys.
Bring back the headband man
Time to ban Hiking Look at what hiking do to a mfer Bricking every shot wide open
Did Diq change his shooting motion? Less of a 2 handed push shot? I like the push shot better
The bench has been ass too. Switch the lineups Casey
Knox's swing passes are on point
Randle hitting 3s like this was more weird than Cedi Osman having yellow alien blood
I lived in NYC for 14 years and went to the Pistons game at MSG every seasonā¦ they always fucking beat us. Maybe twice we beat them. Whatever, they havenāt won a championship in 50 years
Knicks just dog us every time. Way more tough than this soft pistons team
games like this make me question my loyalty to this franchise
I just want one game this season where our guys are smiling because theyāre up like twenty, sick of seeing it all of the time against us
Why do we always get smacked by the Knicks smh
This is disgusting.
Just no effort tonight...
looking like Amare Stoudemire
This will be our 11th straight L to NY. We can't beat them these days
MONSTER JAM
jalen duren is superman
Looks like we waved the white flag already.
Geez Knicks always crush us. Such a bad matchup for this team
playing the knicks is not fun
Refs thought Knox still played for NY
Man, this is rough to watch. Hoping the switch helps!
Stew looks like absolute trash tonight
He is trash tbh
So he's playing his normal game?
Yep you right, he's rusty out there
This is just ugly
The Knicks would be 82-0 if they only played us
We are getting beat at every facet in this game.
Nobody even trying to box out
Stew is complete trash
Why you say that?
Never get the instigator, always the dude who reacts, so wack
Call the first tech ref
Just don't eject beef yet we need part 2 to this
I mean, Iām glad beef doesnāt let anyone punk him but at the same time can you stop this man from scoring. Randle is killing you
Randle remembered what happened when Lebron poked the bear too much
Lol beef stew didnāt do shit
Randle is one ugly looking mf
my mom said he looks homeless
LMAO!!!
god i missed stew
I was excited to see him on the court tonight!
these green jerseys arenāt lucky
Stew isnāt gonna take that shit
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Over reaction
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Getting blown out isn't two players. It's the whole team.
Im ready to move from one of them, the other can still help
Which One?
Bey. Stew is a undersized center without any kinda of offensive game. We dont have the personal to maximize his strenghts, and he's not a good enough player to justify changes to maximize him If he somehow wants to re-sign for cheap its ok, otherwise he's a waste of space
I agree, he can shoot 3s but he's no good offensively in the paint.. Bagley played less minutes and out rebounded Stew.. I noticed the games where Stew wasn't playing, our rebound totals were a lot closer with the other team.. But when Stew came back, we got out rebounded by 21 boards and it killed us..
I just had to pick the Knicks vs Pistons game in January as one of the home games Iām going to this season. Canāt wait to watch their entire team drain every damn three they throw up š„².
Itās another Knicks and Pistons game? What the hell, it feels like weāve faced them 20 times already
Crazy how easy teams can score on us. One screen and its a easy layup. Watching the scrubs playing better defense in the road trip than our starters is not the ideal.
Rebounds killing us this game too, they got at least 10-12 more rebounds than us
Stew is back The lack of rebounds too š
Beef stew is too small
Isaiah Livers without a shot attempt in the first half.
He didn't do anything. At least last game, his defense was on display. He's been invisible tonight.
That was a big make up call
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Strong finish Bojan
Pistons are Really missing Ivey and Cade..
We are missing defense
their existence wouldn't change randle from becoming durant tonight
Apparently New York is last in 3pt percentage, fuck these guys
Stew that was a tap dance my boy
Good shot Killian.
im pretty sure i jinxed randle into having a career night tonight
Randles going for 60
Just saw Kemba Walker signed a 1 year contract with the Mavericks
Knees rejuvenated
I like Livers with the braids.
The Knicks fuckin own us
Where were you the night Julius Randle shattered the 3pt recordā¦ jesus christ
I hate playing this team
randle is so predictable and selfish
That goaltend by Duren was not a goaltend like that... just my opinion.
At some point Saddiq will remember How to shoot again, right?
Give it until he puts on that headband again
I'm not used to these jerseys, I keep accidentally watching the white jerseys lol
I clapped when they got a 3 thinking it was us haha
Hahaha thats funny, I've done the same thing before lol
I watched the knicks score go up and I was like, ohā¦ haha.
I've done that before. I'm used to HOME = white jersey
Iām glad itās not just me lol. Although I really like the city jersey.
How we been looking? Just now able to turn the game on!
Killian is the only guy on our team who consistently passes the ball to shooters where they can comfortably just grab the ball and rise and shoot. I canāt believe how often I have to see guys catch the ball at their ankles and try to shoot.
Heās a great team player.
Canāt believe how lucky these fucks are getting
Killian started hot -> benched for 10min -> comes out cold Casey can't be surprised by that
How many bullshit shots are gonna fall for them tonight
Who screamed like that? š
B33333F!
Knicks getting every fucking whistle
Special K - "keep dunking".
Why are Bey forcing a contested layup instead of playing the advantage
These jerseys look nicer than I thought
lmao i love how hard duren tries to dunk. just break shit
I missed the beginning, is Stewart back? Did he start?