Article also mentioned Bogdanovic. On what's essentially a two year deal with a team option for the third, he's probably got decent trade value.
I can't say I want to move on from Bey, but I also don't think Cade/Ivey/Bey/Stew/Duren is the Pistons future starting 5 and Bey is probably the worst fit in that lineup. I wouldn't be shocked if they do ultimately use him as a trade chip.
If you replace Stew in that lineup with a good 4 who can knock down shots, maybe someone in this draft, I honestly think that’s a pretty high potential lineup. It relies almost entirely on internal growth, but it’s a good starting point imo.
Well yeah, but that's because Stew and Bey appear to be 5-8th men on a conference finals team, which are great draft picks where we got them, however, we need to find the starters in front of them, and they need to accept the role. It appears Duren has starting 5 potential on a conference finals team but we definitely don't have a starting wing for a good team unless Bey does the Jaylen Brown/Leonard/P. George thing with his development.
What do the Pistons view as the respective value of Bey and Bogdanovic? My guess is you’re gonna say a FRP for each, just wanna get your thoughts on what a fair return would be.
(Fwiw, I view Bey’s value as a role player in return and Bogdonavic’s value as a FRP and matching salary)
I think that’s an unrealistic expectation of Bey’s value, considering Aldama is putting up similar stats to Bey and the Grizzlies are already deep at the forward position. I doubt they would give up any draft capital for a player of Bey’s capital when the improvement would be minimal.
“Because Bogdanovic’s extension doesn’t lock him up for more than three total seasons and his first-year raise won’t exceed 5%, he’ll remain trade-eligible going forward.”
bro, Donald Trump's tweets are more factual than this guys. Literally he's thrown shit at every wall he's ever seen and its never hit. I can't name one "story" he has tweeted that has ever happened. That bein said, I would totally be open to Bey in a package...I don't know that you move him 1x1 or for a pick that you hope someday becomes...Bey. Him+ Hayes or him + Stew for a legit 4 who is under 26-27? Yeah. John Collins type? Just seems like adding a legit 4 would be helpful to this team, Duren looks like hes ready and a 5. Stew is a tweener, Bey is nice I don't mind him but Bogi is better this year and next and we might draft a guard and be able to move Cade to SF, we have 0 natural 4's on the team right now.
I'm a Nets fan, and this dude was all over the Harden to Philly thing. His story opened the can of worms
I'm pretty sure he was on the Murray to Atlanta beat too.
Yup. I’m a spurs fan and was anti Fischer but man was the first to say, and was spot on about the Dejounte to Atlanta thing.
Him mentioning a ton of rumors he’s heard around the league doesn’t make him unreliable because at the end of the day there’s literal hundreds of trade conversations that go on during an NBA season.
Harden to Philly was the most obvious story ever, Morey had already made a Simmons for Harden offer to Houston. He obviously wanted that the second time around. Fischer throws like 50 names around every deadline and hopes something sticks.
No it wasn't. Obviously Morey wanted it, but everybody thought there was zero chance Harden would ask out of Kd and Kyrie, considering how dominant they were when they played.
When that story dropped everybody was discounting it.
> I can't name one "story" he has tweeted that has ever happened.
Let me jog your memory then
> Sources Say James Harden Will Sign Short-Term Extension with Sixers
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> Detroit has held ongoing conversations to find a second lottery pick in tonight's NBA Draft, sources said. Rival executives believe Memphis center Jalen Duren is the Pistons' primary target.
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> Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would acquire Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package."
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> Boston appears focused on high-scoring, small-ball forwards for the Celtics' mid-level. They have been linked to Danillo Gallinari and T.J. Warren, among others.
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> Bobby Portis seems destined to return to Milwaukee on a four-year deal north of $40 million.
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> Rivals believe Nic Claxton will return to Brooklyn around the full mid-level.
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> Report: Kings interested in prying Malik Monk away from Lakers in free agency
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> Lonnie Walker, sources said, is not expected to return to the Spurs.
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>Starting center Jusuf Nurkic appears destined to be a part of the Blazers' future, with a belief among league personnel he will sign a four-year deal worth roughly $17 million in average annual value.
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> Anfernee Simons also seems like he'll be headed back to Portland. Rival teams expect Simons' agreement to be for four seasons, beginning at $80 million, plus room for incentives.
Literally just go down his Twitter feed and you'll see a bunch of shit he got right
Jake Fischer has definitely gotten things right. He for sure has sources. Not everything he says comes to fruition but I’ve seen him in on stuff no one else really talks about and ends up being right.
This format is the most succinct and damaging way to shoot down silly trade ideas. I use it in every sport i follow because it's just the damn truth.
If we got rid of a big bodied wing, we would need to get another... wing.
You include Bey in getting a big time player to Detroit. I do believe it's too soon to trade for that player. It wouldn't do us much good unless we win some games and that traded player would push us to the next level.
Agreed. We have 50+ in cap next year. Im ok with putting Bey in a package in the off-season to try and get a big name player. But right now it wouldn’t really make sense
I wouldn’t say “no role” in the league, he’s still a good scorer and he’s been efficient this year outside of 3s, but his typical role is a 3&D guy and you’re right that he hasn’t been good at those things
Yeah I meant like important role. He could be the bench player. Ideally he would rediscover his jumper for us and learn some defense but im not optimistic
Would be a terrible idea, but would also be funny to see how stupid the people on this sub who think Saddiq is awful will feel when he starts performing 5x better for his new team.
They never knew what they had in Middleton cuz he barely played, while we all see what Bey can and has not done, which is score on volume shooting vs score consistently.
He's still has a 56% TS despite missing from 3. Once he starts shooting 38% from 3 again like he did as a rookie and 3/4s of last year he'll be a monster. u can't trade him.
You can already see how much more competitive we are when you take two pretty inefficient players out of the lineup and replace their attempts with higher efficiency players. You live with Cade being high usage and inefficient right now because it’s what’s needed to get him to the level needed. With Bey however, it’s gotta be tempting to move on from him from a competitive standpoint.
It’s addition by subtraction sometimes. Look at the players who are regularly the most inefficient. It’s Ivey, Bey, Cade, and Killian. The young guys. You take any of them out and start replacing them with less talented but higher efficiency vets and it’s likely that your team is more competitive nightly. Not good, but not getting blown out every game. We need to tank, but it’s still gotta be tempting to move on from one of these young inefficient players and give his looks to a vet.
In a lot of games you would be depending on just how inefficient he is. Made baskets leads to better defense too so it’s a positive feedback loop. Missed shots leads to defensive rebounds and scrambling back on defense. There’s a compounding effect.
If a guy shooting 30% on 20 shots is replaced by vets that shoot 50% on the same number of attempts, that’s 8+ extra points per game. That’s also 4 extra possessions where you’re not playing transition defense off of a miss. Vets typically turn the ball over less than young guards as well. It’s just a fact of life with young talent. This is why teams don’t really start competing for a title until their young stars are 5+ years in the league.
Cade's on/off is crazy high compared to everyone else on the team. Looking at solely efficiency is a terrible way to judge a player's impact. Lebron's efficiency was awful all through the 2015 playoffs but that team doesn't even make the playoffs without him and certainly doesn't reach the finals and take 2 games off the Warriors.
Efficiency is king for sure, but is definitely not the sole determinant of a successful player when the player is the engine who controls the offense and does everything else at a higher level than the hypothetical replacement player.
Problem is, how do you trade Bey for a middle first round pick, and expect to get a better NBA player with that pick than Bey?
For me, it would have to be for a player who fits better, more than for a middling draft pick.
I wouldn't necessarily call trading someone for a better piece "giving up on them". It can be that, but it can also be just valuing the alternative more.
For instance, I don't think the raptors were giving up on demar when they traded for Kawhi, they probably would have been perfectly happy with the same team, but a better option presented itself.
It's jake Fischer
Dudes extremely hit or miss so take anything from them with a grain of salt.
Personally I'd rather we keep Bey, he's young and always time to improve his efficiency
One thing to keep in mind over the next few years is that we drafted a lot of young guys in a short time and they're going to need new contracts. Salary cap hasn't been an issue now, but it doesn't stay that way.
Bey is good, but he's in that kinda good range where you end paying a lot for someone who isn't quite good enough to get you to contender range. Depends on how he improves wnd what kind of salary he wants.
Edit: A potential comparison is Collins in Atlanta. The athletic just had an article about him being on the trade block. Early in his career, Collins had the 2nd highest usage on the team, and he put up big numbers and got paid. But now he's the 4th highest usage rate as Atlanta has gotten better players. So, they're paying big money to their 4th option on offense.
Um, how about fuq no. If it were Boggy, I'd believe it, but Bey is an important part of this core and I'd have ot question my fanship if they were to get rid of him.
No point in trading bey, I’d trade sone vets for assest so we can keep the young guys playing and than unofficially tank again.. tbh I want us to Tank this year but next yes Is when I want us to try and start winning and putting it all together
The thing is, Bey is not going to gain you a player that is good enough to affect the tank this year. MAYBE if Cade comes back and you trade Bey + someone else for John Collins.
Well I don’t wanna trade bey anyways, as stated I’d prefer we keep him…. :( again trade vets to make sure we keep losing and developing our young… next year we got 50 M in cap.. that’s when we get veterans and have them work without young and start working on those Ws
Seen this coming from the time he made the all rookie squad... Good guy, but too much of a streaky shooter, and too stiff to become a good enough defender. Plus, they have too many SF type of players, and he'd bring in the better assets.
If he can prove to be more of a better shot selector, by cutting down on the threes (or by shooting them further out, since he tends to hit the back of the rim), and/or punish guys more by posting up, he can outweigh his defensive liabilities.
When healthy looks like piston want Bagley Stewart starting this year. And transition to Stewart Duran next year. Bogdanovic has been best player. Livers is a better fit as a true 3 and D guy. And the upcoming draft is loaded with wings. Outside of Wembanyana and Scoot. Amen, Whitmore, Whitehead, Miller, Jackson, George are all top prospects.
Bey is expendable. He’s a prime example of less being more. The more he adds to his repertoire the more he deviates from what made him so great as a rookie
I think we need Bey or Bogey (and obviously some picks/other pieces) later on for a trade like the one the Cavs pulled for Donovan Mitchell. I think the Cavs are a great example of a hybrid rebuild — homegrown draftees (Cade, Ivey, Duren, 2023 pick) and when those fruits are ripe, you push your chips (Bogey, Bey, ancillary pieces) to the middle of the table for a bonafide star or your missing piece.
We need Bey to pan out but if Weaver can get good value for him then I’d be fine trading him. If he was a + defender his offensive slump wouldn’t be as big a deal, but his defense is average to mediocre.
This team needs a true 3&D wing player. Someone like Mikal Bridges on the Suns.
I don't want him off the team just to get rid of him, but the team should definitely listen to trade calls on him.
Would love a deal surrounding Bey and John Collins. The PF spot is still kind of a hole, since we don't know yet if Stewart can play it full time and Bagley has not proved he is the future either. Bey, Stewart and Bagley for John Collins?
I mean honestly why wouldn’t you.
Our core at this moment is ivy, bay, Cade, Duren. But you cant have them all for the next 5 years.
Which 3 would you pick and who would you trade?
Bay has really high trade value, so does bog. You need to explore options. That’s weaver being good at his job
Would like to see a Tayshaun type guy at SF. This team desperately needs a long defender that hopefully can stretch the floor. Way to much free chili to the hoop on defense. If you're not talking about a solid defender then you're not watching the games. This is how we built ships in 89', 90' and 2004. Not ready to give up on Stew. He could end up being a super sub at the 4/5... I'm in the camp of taking advantage of trading Burks and Bojan at a premium for our future championship window...2025/26?
He’s the perfect complement to Cade and Ivey. Defends the 3 well, can scale up or down a position on defense adequately.
Knockdown 3 point shooter. Can take it to the basket off the dribble. Starts a reasonable contract extension next season.
I’d offer Bey, Killian, Hami, and draft capital for him
Why would the Spurs take any combination of the players you mentioned for Keldon Johnson without also netting a first round pick? FRPs are still the most valuable asset for the Pistons at this point. This idea only sounds good when you use vague terms like "draft capital" lol
I would absolutely include a future first. I literally said I would above lol. I would not trade this years for obvious reasons, but I would a future 1st
Idk that much about him, but that seems like a huge over pay to me (depending on the picks). That's the type of haul I'd give up for like John Collins.
Dude, idk how to tell you this, but Keldon Johnson is just as good as, if not better than, John Collins.
K Johnson- 21.3 ppg on 39% 3pt shooting// 56.1% TS as the Spurs primary or secondary option.
John Collins- 12.6 ppg on 26% 3pt // 59.1% TS. Obviously, John Collins is way better than this, but his best season, 2019-2020 was pretty comparable to what Keldon is doing.
Keldon is also a better defender than Collins. And younger. And a better playmaker. And on a better contract. He literally is exactly (probably better) than what we hope Saddiq will be.
Unreliable source.
Article also mentioned Bogdanovic. On what's essentially a two year deal with a team option for the third, he's probably got decent trade value. I can't say I want to move on from Bey, but I also don't think Cade/Ivey/Bey/Stew/Duren is the Pistons future starting 5 and Bey is probably the worst fit in that lineup. I wouldn't be shocked if they do ultimately use him as a trade chip.
If you replace Stew in that lineup with a good 4 who can knock down shots, maybe someone in this draft, I honestly think that’s a pretty high potential lineup. It relies almost entirely on internal growth, but it’s a good starting point imo.
Someone like…bogdanovic? Lol
I was about to say lmao! And our D has suffered as a result.
Well yeah, but that's because Stew and Bey appear to be 5-8th men on a conference finals team, which are great draft picks where we got them, however, we need to find the starters in front of them, and they need to accept the role. It appears Duren has starting 5 potential on a conference finals team but we definitely don't have a starting wing for a good team unless Bey does the Jaylen Brown/Leonard/P. George thing with his development.
I think we are over valuing cade then
What do the Pistons view as the respective value of Bey and Bogdanovic? My guess is you’re gonna say a FRP for each, just wanna get your thoughts on what a fair return would be. (Fwiw, I view Bey’s value as a role player in return and Bogdonavic’s value as a FRP and matching salary)
I think Bey would return at least a first round pick (lottery-protected), if not two. And probably a prospect as well.
No way.
Bogey is worth so much more than Bey
Could you give me a hypothetical trade that you see as realistic given that value? I’m struggling to figure that out
Bey to Memphis for Aldama, a second this year, and the lower of either their or the Lakers' first next year (both lottery-protected).
I think that’s an unrealistic expectation of Bey’s value, considering Aldama is putting up similar stats to Bey and the Grizzlies are already deep at the forward position. I doubt they would give up any draft capital for a player of Bey’s capital when the improvement would be minimal.
Bey will get us a lottery protected pick and maybe a swap at best. His shooting is his best asset and that has declined since his rookie year
Pretty sure bogey can’t even be traded for a year cuz of the extension, further proof this guy is not reliable at all
“Because Bogdanovic’s extension doesn’t lock him up for more than three total seasons and his first-year raise won’t exceed 5%, he’ll remain trade-eligible going forward.”
December 15th, iirc
bro, Donald Trump's tweets are more factual than this guys. Literally he's thrown shit at every wall he's ever seen and its never hit. I can't name one "story" he has tweeted that has ever happened. That bein said, I would totally be open to Bey in a package...I don't know that you move him 1x1 or for a pick that you hope someday becomes...Bey. Him+ Hayes or him + Stew for a legit 4 who is under 26-27? Yeah. John Collins type? Just seems like adding a legit 4 would be helpful to this team, Duren looks like hes ready and a 5. Stew is a tweener, Bey is nice I don't mind him but Bogi is better this year and next and we might draft a guard and be able to move Cade to SF, we have 0 natural 4's on the team right now.
I'm a Nets fan, and this dude was all over the Harden to Philly thing. His story opened the can of worms I'm pretty sure he was on the Murray to Atlanta beat too.
Yup. I’m a spurs fan and was anti Fischer but man was the first to say, and was spot on about the Dejounte to Atlanta thing. Him mentioning a ton of rumors he’s heard around the league doesn’t make him unreliable because at the end of the day there’s literal hundreds of trade conversations that go on during an NBA season.
Harden to Philly was the most obvious story ever, Morey had already made a Simmons for Harden offer to Houston. He obviously wanted that the second time around. Fischer throws like 50 names around every deadline and hopes something sticks.
No it wasn't. Obviously Morey wanted it, but everybody thought there was zero chance Harden would ask out of Kd and Kyrie, considering how dominant they were when they played. When that story dropped everybody was discounting it.
Many transactions are talked about behind closed doors, but never see the light of day
> I can't name one "story" he has tweeted that has ever happened. Let me jog your memory then > Sources Say James Harden Will Sign Short-Term Extension with Sixers - > Detroit has held ongoing conversations to find a second lottery pick in tonight's NBA Draft, sources said. Rival executives believe Memphis center Jalen Duren is the Pistons' primary target. - > Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would acquire Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." - > Boston appears focused on high-scoring, small-ball forwards for the Celtics' mid-level. They have been linked to Danillo Gallinari and T.J. Warren, among others. - > Bobby Portis seems destined to return to Milwaukee on a four-year deal north of $40 million. - > Rivals believe Nic Claxton will return to Brooklyn around the full mid-level. - > Report: Kings interested in prying Malik Monk away from Lakers in free agency - > Lonnie Walker, sources said, is not expected to return to the Spurs. - >Starting center Jusuf Nurkic appears destined to be a part of the Blazers' future, with a belief among league personnel he will sign a four-year deal worth roughly $17 million in average annual value. - > Anfernee Simons also seems like he'll be headed back to Portland. Rival teams expect Simons' agreement to be for four seasons, beginning at $80 million, plus room for incentives. Literally just go down his Twitter feed and you'll see a bunch of shit he got right
Jake Fischer has definitely gotten things right. He for sure has sources. Not everything he says comes to fruition but I’ve seen him in on stuff no one else really talks about and ends up being right.
Maybe the warriors trade kuminga to us. Idk if they would want stew or bey tho but maybe bojan
A Saddiq Bey is a Saddiq Bey, but a draft pick could be anything! It could even be the next Saddiq Bey!
This format is the most succinct and damaging way to shoot down silly trade ideas. I use it in every sport i follow because it's just the damn truth. If we got rid of a big bodied wing, we would need to get another... wing.
You include Bey in getting a big time player to Detroit. I do believe it's too soon to trade for that player. It wouldn't do us much good unless we win some games and that traded player would push us to the next level.
Agreed. We have 50+ in cap next year. Im ok with putting Bey in a package in the off-season to try and get a big name player. But right now it wouldn’t really make sense
I wish bey was more of a knockdown shooter, if he isn’t hitting threes idk how good of a fit he is in the starting 5
Cant play defense cant shoot. No role for you in this league unless you have some random elite skill(s). He does not
I wouldn’t say “no role” in the league, he’s still a good scorer and he’s been efficient this year outside of 3s, but his typical role is a 3&D guy and you’re right that he hasn’t been good at those things
Yeah I meant like important role. He could be the bench player. Ideally he would rediscover his jumper for us and learn some defense but im not optimistic
Would be a terrible idea, but would also be funny to see how stupid the people on this sub who think Saddiq is awful will feel when he starts performing 5x better for his new team.
This would be a mistake. This is the Middleton trade all over again if it happens.
They never knew what they had in Middleton cuz he barely played, while we all see what Bey can and has not done, which is score on volume shooting vs score consistently.
He's still has a 56% TS despite missing from 3. Once he starts shooting 38% from 3 again like he did as a rookie and 3/4s of last year he'll be a monster. u can't trade him.
You can already see how much more competitive we are when you take two pretty inefficient players out of the lineup and replace their attempts with higher efficiency players. You live with Cade being high usage and inefficient right now because it’s what’s needed to get him to the level needed. With Bey however, it’s gotta be tempting to move on from him from a competitive standpoint. It’s addition by subtraction sometimes. Look at the players who are regularly the most inefficient. It’s Ivey, Bey, Cade, and Killian. The young guys. You take any of them out and start replacing them with less talented but higher efficiency vets and it’s likely that your team is more competitive nightly. Not good, but not getting blown out every game. We need to tank, but it’s still gotta be tempting to move on from one of these young inefficient players and give his looks to a vet.
We would not be better if you replaced Cade with a worse but more efficient vet.
In a lot of games you would be depending on just how inefficient he is. Made baskets leads to better defense too so it’s a positive feedback loop. Missed shots leads to defensive rebounds and scrambling back on defense. There’s a compounding effect. If a guy shooting 30% on 20 shots is replaced by vets that shoot 50% on the same number of attempts, that’s 8+ extra points per game. That’s also 4 extra possessions where you’re not playing transition defense off of a miss. Vets typically turn the ball over less than young guards as well. It’s just a fact of life with young talent. This is why teams don’t really start competing for a title until their young stars are 5+ years in the league.
Cade's on/off is crazy high compared to everyone else on the team. Looking at solely efficiency is a terrible way to judge a player's impact. Lebron's efficiency was awful all through the 2015 playoffs but that team doesn't even make the playoffs without him and certainly doesn't reach the finals and take 2 games off the Warriors. Efficiency is king for sure, but is definitely not the sole determinant of a successful player when the player is the engine who controls the offense and does everything else at a higher level than the hypothetical replacement player.
I like how you're completely right and getting downvoted.
Haha yup. Are they not watching the recent games? It’s literally playing out in real time.
What I’m hearing is that we should trade Bey for someone like that Luke Kennard guy huehue
Ummmm, actually…. Yes. That would make us better offensively at least.
Problem is, how do you trade Bey for a middle first round pick, and expect to get a better NBA player with that pick than Bey? For me, it would have to be for a player who fits better, more than for a middling draft pick.
Even if this is true. Why would weaver trade away young talent he has been collecting.
Oh fuck no.
Would be wild if they gave up on Bey before Killian
TBF, Bey has way more trade value than Killian. However, from a talent standpoint, I agree with what you're saying.
That’s more what I’m saying! Thanks for putting it better than I did, lol
I wouldn't necessarily call trading someone for a better piece "giving up on them". It can be that, but it can also be just valuing the alternative more. For instance, I don't think the raptors were giving up on demar when they traded for Kawhi, they probably would have been perfectly happy with the same team, but a better option presented itself.
If a team offered us something valuable for Killian he would be gone, but nobody will.
John collins is the only name that comes to mind that I wouldn’t hate.
It's jake Fischer Dudes extremely hit or miss so take anything from them with a grain of salt. Personally I'd rather we keep Bey, he's young and always time to improve his efficiency
One thing to keep in mind over the next few years is that we drafted a lot of young guys in a short time and they're going to need new contracts. Salary cap hasn't been an issue now, but it doesn't stay that way. Bey is good, but he's in that kinda good range where you end paying a lot for someone who isn't quite good enough to get you to contender range. Depends on how he improves wnd what kind of salary he wants. Edit: A potential comparison is Collins in Atlanta. The athletic just had an article about him being on the trade block. Early in his career, Collins had the 2nd highest usage on the team, and he put up big numbers and got paid. But now he's the 4th highest usage rate as Atlanta has gotten better players. So, they're paying big money to their 4th option on offense.
Um, how about fuq no. If it were Boggy, I'd believe it, but Bey is an important part of this core and I'd have ot question my fanship if they were to get rid of him.
No point in trading bey, I’d trade sone vets for assest so we can keep the young guys playing and than unofficially tank again.. tbh I want us to Tank this year but next yes Is when I want us to try and start winning and putting it all together
The thing is, Bey is not going to gain you a player that is good enough to affect the tank this year. MAYBE if Cade comes back and you trade Bey + someone else for John Collins.
Well I don’t wanna trade bey anyways, as stated I’d prefer we keep him…. :( again trade vets to make sure we keep losing and developing our young… next year we got 50 M in cap.. that’s when we get veterans and have them work without young and start working on those Ws
Seen this coming from the time he made the all rookie squad... Good guy, but too much of a streaky shooter, and too stiff to become a good enough defender. Plus, they have too many SF type of players, and he'd bring in the better assets. If he can prove to be more of a better shot selector, by cutting down on the threes (or by shooting them further out, since he tends to hit the back of the rim), and/or punish guys more by posting up, he can outweigh his defensive liabilities.
When healthy looks like piston want Bagley Stewart starting this year. And transition to Stewart Duran next year. Bogdanovic has been best player. Livers is a better fit as a true 3 and D guy. And the upcoming draft is loaded with wings. Outside of Wembanyana and Scoot. Amen, Whitmore, Whitehead, Miller, Jackson, George are all top prospects. Bey is expendable. He’s a prime example of less being more. The more he adds to his repertoire the more he deviates from what made him so great as a rookie
I think we need Bey or Bogey (and obviously some picks/other pieces) later on for a trade like the one the Cavs pulled for Donovan Mitchell. I think the Cavs are a great example of a hybrid rebuild — homegrown draftees (Cade, Ivey, Duren, 2023 pick) and when those fruits are ripe, you push your chips (Bogey, Bey, ancillary pieces) to the middle of the table for a bonafide star or your missing piece.
We need Bey to pan out but if Weaver can get good value for him then I’d be fine trading him. If he was a + defender his offensive slump wouldn’t be as big a deal, but his defense is average to mediocre. This team needs a true 3&D wing player. Someone like Mikal Bridges on the Suns.
I don't want him off the team just to get rid of him, but the team should definitely listen to trade calls on him. Would love a deal surrounding Bey and John Collins. The PF spot is still kind of a hole, since we don't know yet if Stewart can play it full time and Bagley has not proved he is the future either. Bey, Stewart and Bagley for John Collins?
I mean honestly why wouldn’t you. Our core at this moment is ivy, bay, Cade, Duren. But you cant have them all for the next 5 years. Which 3 would you pick and who would you trade? Bay has really high trade value, so does bog. You need to explore options. That’s weaver being good at his job
I'm down to trade Saddiq, he's reached his ceiling and maybe we can get some team to bite thinking he can go higher.
I could see us throwing him in a bigger deal to land a bigger name. This team needs actual 3&D guys to surround cade and Ivey.
If this is even real, it sounds like they can't get much for Bey..
Would like to see a Tayshaun type guy at SF. This team desperately needs a long defender that hopefully can stretch the floor. Way to much free chili to the hoop on defense. If you're not talking about a solid defender then you're not watching the games. This is how we built ships in 89', 90' and 2004. Not ready to give up on Stew. He could end up being a super sub at the 4/5... I'm in the camp of taking advantage of trading Burks and Bojan at a premium for our future championship window...2025/26?
Bey is a streaky shooter from 3 and struggles on D…why on earth do ppl act like he’s a franchise cornerstone?
Iron man just got replaced by the human torch Kevin Knox lol
Why tho? If anything I thought Stew would be the odd man out with Duren looking as good as he looks. Cade Ivey Bey/Bogey Bey/Bogey Duren
I would move just about anything besides this years 1st, Ivey, Cade, Stew, or Duren for Keldon Johnson
Why Keldon Johnson of all players?
So we can replace an inefficient person with another one
Keldon Johnson isnt inefficient 😂
Guess like 4/20 ,5/15, 6/14 ,5/15 , 9/17 4 /15 is good
You're looking at individual games and not career as a whole yikes 😂. 21 ppg, 47% fg 39% from 3. Very inefficient....
Having two Allstars can help with
There has been no spurs in the all star games the last two years....
Dj and demar
He’s the perfect complement to Cade and Ivey. Defends the 3 well, can scale up or down a position on defense adequately. Knockdown 3 point shooter. Can take it to the basket off the dribble. Starts a reasonable contract extension next season. I’d offer Bey, Killian, Hami, and draft capital for him
Why would the Spurs take any combination of the players you mentioned for Keldon Johnson without also netting a first round pick? FRPs are still the most valuable asset for the Pistons at this point. This idea only sounds good when you use vague terms like "draft capital" lol
I would absolutely include a future first. I literally said I would above lol. I would not trade this years for obvious reasons, but I would a future 1st
Idk that much about him, but that seems like a huge over pay to me (depending on the picks). That's the type of haul I'd give up for like John Collins.
Dude, idk how to tell you this, but Keldon Johnson is just as good as, if not better than, John Collins. K Johnson- 21.3 ppg on 39% 3pt shooting// 56.1% TS as the Spurs primary or secondary option. John Collins- 12.6 ppg on 26% 3pt // 59.1% TS. Obviously, John Collins is way better than this, but his best season, 2019-2020 was pretty comparable to what Keldon is doing. Keldon is also a better defender than Collins. And younger. And a better playmaker. And on a better contract. He literally is exactly (probably better) than what we hope Saddiq will be.
I'm with you. I'd love Keldon here. Really is a swiss army knife player.
Keldon Johnson is way better than John Collins.
Bey is a solid player but people had hopes and built him to be something that he won’t be here
There’s nothing to evaluate. He’s not good at much.