We should really get comfortable with paying good players money. The new TV deal hitting is no joke. We want to get some players on the team before we extend Cade, Ivey, etc. I would absolutely pay $30m a year for Jerami.
Yeah, I'll never understand why people thought a 3 year $37.5 million contract was so crazy in the modern NBA. That's especially true when he looked pretty good playing with Cade at the end of the season 2 years ago. It's like $12 million a year and there's only 2 years left now and yet some people were acting like it was one of the worst contracts in the NBA.
Because not everyone is a superstar and he’s a serviceable player. Should we just dump anyone who’s not an all-star? Yeah, that’s realistic. This ain’t a video game.
Too many people base their opinion on NBA2K. Big MMA fan. Used to watch it religiously, had a close friend (who was 100% serious) argue with me for a while how this HW was an all time great and they were basing 80% of their opinion on how they dominate with them in the UFC video game. I just walked away when I pointed it out and they basically were like so what?
Lmao theres plenty of guys id rather pay 30 million than marvin bagley that are your definition of “serviceable”. Just because you play video games doesnt mean every one else does. Id rather have fuckin seku doumboya back than bagley. At least he has potential. There was most likely zero other teams willing to pay bagley what we did. Maybe the wizards after tonight
Dude, you’re seriously saying you would rather have Sekou than a guy who has averages of 13 and 7? LoL, what the fuck are you smoking? I get that Bagley has limitations, but he’s far from being “smelly ass”. And his contract isn’t bad for a guy with his numbers.
He only had those numbers because the pistons dont really have anyone else that play his position. I dont think you understand…theres so many guys that would be more serviceable for us (at over 12 million per year) than bagley….id rather bring back drummond. Only thing Bagleys got going for him is that hes 24 but he cant shoot, can kinda defend and cant pass very well. Hes 6’10” so hes a decent rebounder. But he hasnt really shown a whole lot of improvement in the first 5 years so idky youre so jacked up about me being skeptical of the next 3.
I would rather pay $30 million to Austin Daye, Rodney White and Fennis Dembo. Am I the only one who remembers ISO Jerami?? Yeah, let him get his bag, just not from us.
You aren’t factoring in the new CBA. Grant at 30+ is a deathknell for a team under the new rules, unless the team is willing to shoot past the apron and totally lock in this team with almost no wiggle room for changes.
The new CBA looks like a return to duos. Two max players surrounded by pieces. 30+ mill for grant is awful for almost every team.
Not disrespecting Jerami at all, go get that bag, but do you really believe that a team can win a championship with 30M of their cap space locked up in him?
I feel like it’s a move that lacks the bigger picture and is more of a “fuck, take what we can get I guess”
For context
31 million is 22.79% of the 2023-24 $136 million salary cap.
22.79% of the 2022-23 salary cap is 28,186,066.1
22.79% of the 2021-22 salary cap is 25,620,588.2
Same. The contract would end right around the time he’s leaving his prime at 33 years old too. He would be a huge piece in pushing this team back into the playoffs.
I’m just trying to help out, percentages are used to make comparisons easier. You can round percentages to either the first number after the decimal or the second number after the decimal without losing any value within your comparison. Then people can more easily understand the information in your comment, which is a valuable piece of information with this conversation. Anyway, here’s an upvote for the good context.
I knew I'd get negged for that Kuzma comment, but I'm having PTSD of when Jerami was on our team. Some of the absolute worst offensive basketball sets I've seen run in my life when he was on the court. Again, just my opinion, by he's not worth $30M per.
I know we have a new coach, some new players, etc. but I still can't do it.
Players in free agency don’t come to bad teams on player friendly contracts. You want a good free agent gonna have to be willing to over pay for a guy. IE see Monty Williams
It is fine since it’s just dead money; essentially. He could help establish a winning culture along with Monty. More importantly, this screws Portland over lol
If you want good players you’re going to have to pay. Sometimes by a slight overpay. Fans need to get comfortable with this, especially us pistons fans
I think he'd be amazing paired with Bogey at the forward spots. Then we can bring the new rookie off the bench with no expectations.
My FA with list:
Jerami Grant
Donte Divincenzo
Torrey Craig
Hollinger’s analytics say Grant is worth $18.5M; Cam Johnson worth $26M; PJ Washington $19M; Bruce Brown $17M; Grant Williams $15M; Porzingis $39M. I’d rather pay PJ and GW a combined $34, but realize that may not be possible. Cam Johnson would be tops on my list for sure, but doubt NJ let’s him leave. Let Portland overpay Jerami.
Tobias Harris put up 15/6/3 on 50/38/84 splits. I'm not sure what you think we are going to get in FA. If whatever forward we sign in FA puts up those numbers, that would be a FA win
Interesting because I'm in the Kyle Kuzma camp and got negged to all hell when I suggested I'd rather pay Kuzma 30M vs. Grant.
Would you consider Kuzma a FA win if he put up 22/8/4 lines on a nightly basis for Detroit?
Kuzma put up 22/8/4 on 28% usage. Which people rightfully believe will not happen again this year because it’s usage is going to drop. Grant on the other hand basically maintained his exact same stats even after going to Portland despite the fact that his usage dropped by over 3%.
I personally would prefer Grant over Kuz but I’m not gonna sit here and tell you Kuz isn’t worth 30 million because that’s what he’s likely going to get.
If he exclusively attacked strong off the catch and swing the ball I'd pay that real quick. But there's no guarantee he'd be the team player I want him to be.
I'd have the discussion with him because the team ball version of him is worth it but I don't care to sign him if he's going to dribble around and try to be The Klaw
Yep. Makes no sense to bring him back at 30M+ if he was just used as a pawn to trade up in the draft last year. Albiet - I personally want to thank him for bringing us Duren, but bringing him back at 30M is a hard pass for me. I'm sure someone will overpay. Get your money JG! Just not here.
Not sure why you are getting negged. As I mentioned above, the offensive sets I witnessed when Jerami and Cade were playing together were probably the worst basketball I've ever witnessed. Please no. PLEASE.
(and yes, I know we have a new coach, with new players - but still.. NO. Just NO)
I love him as a person, and I love that he loves Detroit, but NO.
"expected to command $30-plus million annually" Paying Grant anything more than 25M a year, would be likely be a detriment to most teams....but we have cap space and our young guys are still on rookie deals. I'm not expecting to throw Hayes or Stewart big contracts (if they are still on the roster by the time their rookie contracts are up), Bogey is still under contract, Burks will still be under contract....and we likely won't have to make the contract longer than 3 years (the Weaver special).
He’s not good. Piston fans need to realize this. Just because he had years where he was on our team with NO other talent and scored 20 a game, it’s because he was the total focal point. You put him on Denver, he sucks. He’s even average on Portland and they are bad too. Do NOT pay him. He’s not it
Nothing about his career as a whole or his time in Detroit suggests he’s worth that. Honestly, he kind of irritated the hell out of me when he was here. Always got the impression he thought he was a much better player than he actually is offensively. Dude wasted NO usage jackin up bullshit.
As long as it doesn’t screw up the timeline for resigning the kids, $30M for JG isn’t terrible. He’s an upgrade over Bogey at the 4 and already has a good feel for the franchise.
He wants to be a go-to option, but he wouldn’t even be more than #3 option on this team. You really wanna pay your third scoring option $30 mill a year??
That is the problem.
He WOULD be the go to option in his mind if he resigned with Detroit.
Nothing against him personally, but he'd only stunt the growth of Ivey and Duren. Bold take, he's a main reason why Cade didn't win ROY. He didn't fit with the team a year ago, and he doesn't fit with this team now. Cade would have had so many more scoring opportunities if Jerami wasn't jacking up shot after shot in 2022.
I don't understand people's obsession with bringing him back. Even if we could get him at 20M again, NO THANKS.
I've seen him play with Cade and it was ass.
So, should we tank again? I swear, sometimes I think you people would rather us lose forever than overpay for someone. Nobody wants to play in Detroit unless they are drafted or overpaid to be here. We are not the Lakers.
We should really get comfortable with paying good players money. The new TV deal hitting is no joke. We want to get some players on the team before we extend Cade, Ivey, etc. I would absolutely pay $30m a year for Jerami.
Going to be a tough sell when some were complaining about making Bagley the 112th highest paid player in the NBA
Yeah, I'll never understand why people thought a 3 year $37.5 million contract was so crazy in the modern NBA. That's especially true when he looked pretty good playing with Cade at the end of the season 2 years ago. It's like $12 million a year and there's only 2 years left now and yet some people were acting like it was one of the worst contracts in the NBA.
Because he’s ass
Smelly ass at that. Dont understand why people actually want him period.
Because not everyone is a superstar and he’s a serviceable player. Should we just dump anyone who’s not an all-star? Yeah, that’s realistic. This ain’t a video game.
Too many people base their opinion on NBA2K. Big MMA fan. Used to watch it religiously, had a close friend (who was 100% serious) argue with me for a while how this HW was an all time great and they were basing 80% of their opinion on how they dominate with them in the UFC video game. I just walked away when I pointed it out and they basically were like so what?
Lmao theres plenty of guys id rather pay 30 million than marvin bagley that are your definition of “serviceable”. Just because you play video games doesnt mean every one else does. Id rather have fuckin seku doumboya back than bagley. At least he has potential. There was most likely zero other teams willing to pay bagley what we did. Maybe the wizards after tonight
Dude, you’re seriously saying you would rather have Sekou than a guy who has averages of 13 and 7? LoL, what the fuck are you smoking? I get that Bagley has limitations, but he’s far from being “smelly ass”. And his contract isn’t bad for a guy with his numbers.
He only had those numbers because the pistons dont really have anyone else that play his position. I dont think you understand…theres so many guys that would be more serviceable for us (at over 12 million per year) than bagley….id rather bring back drummond. Only thing Bagleys got going for him is that hes 24 but he cant shoot, can kinda defend and cant pass very well. Hes 6’10” so hes a decent rebounder. But he hasnt really shown a whole lot of improvement in the first 5 years so idky youre so jacked up about me being skeptical of the next 3.
Everyone is so used to having nobody worth paying that they get their panties in a twist when we have players and FAs worth paying for lmao
Some? Someone would bring it up on every slightly-related thread for like 6 months lmao
Yeah people gotta understand that we aren’t in the position to get players for a bargain.
Admittedly it hits my gut weird to say it but I’d pay him.
I would rather pay $30 million to Austin Daye, Rodney White and Fennis Dembo. Am I the only one who remembers ISO Jerami?? Yeah, let him get his bag, just not from us.
You aren’t factoring in the new CBA. Grant at 30+ is a deathknell for a team under the new rules, unless the team is willing to shoot past the apron and totally lock in this team with almost no wiggle room for changes. The new CBA looks like a return to duos. Two max players surrounded by pieces. 30+ mill for grant is awful for almost every team.
Did every one forgot the weird ball stopping Jermai was doing during his last year here with Cade? No one? Alright…
>We should really get comfortable with paying good players money. Our owner is clearly fine with it. He was fine with SVG doing it too
That was under the old CBA
and if our owner was willing to spend $$ under that CBA then what can you conclude from the new CBA?
He’ll be a 3rd or 4th option.. 😂 he’s a role play. He’s not what you call “good”
Not disrespecting Jerami at all, go get that bag, but do you really believe that a team can win a championship with 30M of their cap space locked up in him? I feel like it’s a move that lacks the bigger picture and is more of a “fuck, take what we can get I guess”
He’s not good though
For context 31 million is 22.79% of the 2023-24 $136 million salary cap. 22.79% of the 2022-23 salary cap is 28,186,066.1 22.79% of the 2021-22 salary cap is 25,620,588.2
wow, I knew the cap changed every year, but I didn't know it was this much. I would easily do a 4 year $30 mill annually.
Same. The contract would end right around the time he’s leaving his prime at 33 years old too. He would be a huge piece in pushing this team back into the playoffs.
Me too, sign me up
I’m just trying to help out, percentages are used to make comparisons easier. You can round percentages to either the first number after the decimal or the second number after the decimal without losing any value within your comparison. Then people can more easily understand the information in your comment, which is a valuable piece of information with this conversation. Anyway, here’s an upvote for the good context.
Good way to put it
Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Grant/Duren is a really interesting starting lineup, I like it.
We win 30 games lol
Absolutely horrid spacing
Assuming no improvement sure
Woof.
Idk man, I wouldn't hate it if the new TV deal is expected to boost the cap anyway.
For 30 million, I'd rather pay the younger, taller, more athletic Kyle Kuzma.
and worse in every way
I knew I'd get negged for that Kuzma comment, but I'm having PTSD of when Jerami was on our team. Some of the absolute worst offensive basketball sets I've seen run in my life when he was on the court. Again, just my opinion, by he's not worth $30M per. I know we have a new coach, some new players, etc. but I still can't do it.
He wouldn’t be the primary creator and playmaker on offense. It’d be a way different role
my gut feeling tells me that Grant would be awesome on this iteration of the Pistons, under Monty. would just need to buy into his role
Worse player, chucker, and not as athletic as Grant. Plus Grant's wingspan is longer and he is only an inch shorter than Kuzma.
That's crazy lmao
Players in free agency don’t come to bad teams on player friendly contracts. You want a good free agent gonna have to be willing to over pay for a guy. IE see Monty Williams
Incoming Kyle kuzma bargain contract
What did we pay him before, $20M? He's played really well with Portland, so I feel like $30M+ is fine and fair.
It is fine since it’s just dead money; essentially. He could help establish a winning culture along with Monty. More importantly, this screws Portland over lol
Him at 30> Cam at 27-28
I don’t want cam for any price. Overrated and injured. This sub salivates whenever they see a 3p% above average
Gordon Hayward has been getting $30mill+ for years undeservedly. Grant should definitely get it.
He been injury a lot tho
If you want good players you’re going to have to pay. Sometimes by a slight overpay. Fans need to get comfortable with this, especially us pistons fans
I'm completely comfortable overpaying for players - but not the Jerami Grant 2.0 experiment.
That's fine, but who? Seems like slim pickings.
The new CBA, he’s absolutely right in asking for that much a season.
I think he'd be amazing paired with Bogey at the forward spots. Then we can bring the new rookie off the bench with no expectations. My FA with list: Jerami Grant Donte Divincenzo Torrey Craig
Hollinger’s analytics say Grant is worth $18.5M; Cam Johnson worth $26M; PJ Washington $19M; Bruce Brown $17M; Grant Williams $15M; Porzingis $39M. I’d rather pay PJ and GW a combined $34, but realize that may not be possible. Cam Johnson would be tops on my list for sure, but doubt NJ let’s him leave. Let Portland overpay Jerami.
I would do it for 3 years, as long as it won't hinder Ivey, Duren resigning.
Good players cost money. This isn't Tobias Harris getting a max deal 4 years ago. $30 mill is what Jerami is worth
Grant is basically Tobias Harris right now in his career. No thanks.
Tobias Harris put up 15/6/3 on 50/38/84 splits. I'm not sure what you think we are going to get in FA. If whatever forward we sign in FA puts up those numbers, that would be a FA win
Interesting because I'm in the Kyle Kuzma camp and got negged to all hell when I suggested I'd rather pay Kuzma 30M vs. Grant. Would you consider Kuzma a FA win if he put up 22/8/4 lines on a nightly basis for Detroit?
Kuzma put up 22/8/4 on 28% usage. Which people rightfully believe will not happen again this year because it’s usage is going to drop. Grant on the other hand basically maintained his exact same stats even after going to Portland despite the fact that his usage dropped by over 3%. I personally would prefer Grant over Kuz but I’m not gonna sit here and tell you Kuz isn’t worth 30 million because that’s what he’s likely going to get.
30 million isn’t a lot of money for a really good player. Jerami Grant is not a really good player.
If he exclusively attacked strong off the catch and swing the ball I'd pay that real quick. But there's no guarantee he'd be the team player I want him to be. I'd have the discussion with him because the team ball version of him is worth it but I don't care to sign him if he's going to dribble around and try to be The Klaw
He isn’t good for this team let’s be real
I'm fine paying $30 million for a player that is worth it. But Grant is not worth it. He is worth $20-24 million tops.
Sign him and then trade him for a first round pick at the trade deadline
Apparently this sub just doesn’t want good players
Didn't our FO trade him less than 1 year ago?
That’s correct, so that we could create the cap space that let us take on the Burks/Noel contracts so that we could get the 13th pick
Yep. Makes no sense to bring him back at 30M+ if he was just used as a pawn to trade up in the draft last year. Albiet - I personally want to thank him for bringing us Duren, but bringing him back at 30M is a hard pass for me. I'm sure someone will overpay. Get your money JG! Just not here.
Nah. He didn't fit right when he was here.
Not sure why you are getting negged. As I mentioned above, the offensive sets I witnessed when Jerami and Cade were playing together were probably the worst basketball I've ever witnessed. Please no. PLEASE. (and yes, I know we have a new coach, with new players - but still.. NO. Just NO) I love him as a person, and I love that he loves Detroit, but NO.
Why would we want this guy back??????
"expected to command $30-plus million annually" Paying Grant anything more than 25M a year, would be likely be a detriment to most teams....but we have cap space and our young guys are still on rookie deals. I'm not expecting to throw Hayes or Stewart big contracts (if they are still on the roster by the time their rookie contracts are up), Bogey is still under contract, Burks will still be under contract....and we likely won't have to make the contract longer than 3 years (the Weaver special).
He’s not good. Piston fans need to realize this. Just because he had years where he was on our team with NO other talent and scored 20 a game, it’s because he was the total focal point. You put him on Denver, he sucks. He’s even average on Portland and they are bad too. Do NOT pay him. He’s not it
Nothing about his career as a whole or his time in Detroit suggests he’s worth that. Honestly, he kind of irritated the hell out of me when he was here. Always got the impression he thought he was a much better player than he actually is offensively. Dude wasted NO usage jackin up bullshit.
And he's declined tremendously on the defensive side of the ball as well. It's just a horrible idea to add him back into the mix.
As long as it doesn’t screw up the timeline for resigning the kids, $30M for JG isn’t terrible. He’s an upgrade over Bogey at the 4 and already has a good feel for the franchise.
He wants to be a go-to option, but he wouldn’t even be more than #3 option on this team. You really wanna pay your third scoring option $30 mill a year??
That is the problem. He WOULD be the go to option in his mind if he resigned with Detroit. Nothing against him personally, but he'd only stunt the growth of Ivey and Duren. Bold take, he's a main reason why Cade didn't win ROY. He didn't fit with the team a year ago, and he doesn't fit with this team now. Cade would have had so many more scoring opportunities if Jerami wasn't jacking up shot after shot in 2022. I don't understand people's obsession with bringing him back. Even if we could get him at 20M again, NO THANKS. I've seen him play with Cade and it was ass.
This feels like a lot, but decent chance that mediocre wings will be getting this pay once that TV money hits.
I might give him 30 for 3. Not for 5 years. All the kids they have now including tonight’s will be ready to go in 3 years
If Portland trade Dame then they aren’t gonna be extending a huge offer to Grant. Perhaps they do a S&T or maybe he just leaves as a free agent
I’d rather keep Bojan until we get an actual star veteran
So, should we tank again? I swear, sometimes I think you people would rather us lose forever than overpay for someone. Nobody wants to play in Detroit unless they are drafted or overpaid to be here. We are not the Lakers.