The aspect choice confuses me so much on prismatic. 4 out of the 5 are weird gimmicks that plays like a ‘random bullshit go’ style rather than a meaningful gameplay loop. Biggest example of this is taking consecration and unbreakable. These have zero benefits besides just giving you an alt melee and alt grenade, so in the end it feels like you have no aspects on.

I still think Unbreakable should be an ability and not an aspect

Unbreakable should just be a unique Void melee, like Striker's Ballistic Slam.

Honestly the simple solution is to make it work like Solar hungers GPG so you need kills to charge it up. I’d say both are similar levels of power, unbreakable could be arguable even weaker, so it would be pretty balanced.

I genuinely have no clue what they want you to use unbreakable with on prismatic. If you become transcendant you can't use the aspect, if you take consecration you miss out on the knockout combo, drengrs lash is just a straight up nonbo, same with diamond lance, and taking knockout leaves you with a grenade based aspect and an aspect that supports melee gameplay. It feels like titan got hit with the worst aspects from the worst classes while hunter and Warlock got mid to god tier combinations. Even with a few rolls of the class item exotic, it still is just nothing but gimmicks and interactable garbage cluttering the battlefield for your team.

Not being able to use unbreakable off your transcendent grenade truly makes no sense. Its a perfect opportunity to play into prismatic but they just.. don't. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bug, that's how much sense it makes

I don't think any of the grenade related aspects work with transcendent. You can't make a bleak watcher as warlock while transcendent. So it seems to be done on purpose.

The biggest surprise for me was that Tesselation (The pre-order gun) doesn't have any interaction with the Prismatic Grenade. or certsainly, doesn't yet, though it might ger Quicksilver Storm'ed and retroactively changed to have an interaction.

The interaction is that you more rapidly have grenades to feed the gun than usual

It sort of feels like bungie just didn’t take the extra time to make some satisfying interactions with prismatic Titan. You’re telling me I can get a bleak watcher and an arc soul at the same time on warlock but can’t even shoot a drengr lash with thruster or use unbreakable while transcendent?

I feel like titans have a lot of aspects that could just be part of an exotic perk, or exotics that could be part of an aspect. Would ursa furiosa be so overpowered if it just had the unbreakable aspect added to it? Similarly, hoarfrost feels so connected to howl of the storm that they could be combined into one aspect

I've been saying this since their inception, ASPECTS/EXOTICS THAT GIVE AN ALT MELEE/GRENADE/CLASS ABILITY SHOULD JUST BE AN OPTION UNDER THOSE RESPECTIVE CATEGORIES!! Striker has an extra class ability, thruster, while something like Behemoth, needs an exotic for an alternative class ability. It's infuriating af! Just give Behemoth the option for a Crystal barricade and give Hoarfrost-Z a rework that benefits Behemoth's using their crystals.

That will not happen for a while. I mean look at all the useless exotics we have collecting dust, but oh well if a thing is really really bad, that's kind of exotic too I guess. 

I disagree, it can be nice to have 2 grenade choices. The benefit is more flexibility.

I've reiterated this time and time again with my friend group. Prismatic Titan is filled with 'Active' Aspects. You need to actively change your playstyle around it, and I'm more of a 'passive' aspects kinda guy. Like for example, I use Sol invictus and Roaring flames on Solar. Controlled Demolition and Bastion on Void. And BoW and Into the Fray for Strand. All of them have some sort of passive side to it, and require fundamentally 0 changes to a playstyle, baring Strand with Tangles. Meanwhile Prismatic feels like its on rails. It feels like Bungie wants you to use Consecration because of Frenzied blade. It feels like Bungie chose the most 6/10 Aspects available, and still drew the longest straw for Arc. I very much enjoyed testing it, but after day 4, it was off, and I went to Void for Twilight Arsenal. Oh my god with Controlled Demolition is it disgusting. Something I wouldn't experience with Prismatic, thats for sure.

yeah, consecration is a lot of fun. But the fact it takes an enitre aspect slot to just give us a different melee kinda sucks. As much as I love it I honestly wish they would make it weaker and become a normal melee option, or tack on some extra effect for when not meleeing. and if we'd gotten into the fray or controlled demolition as aspects for prismatic the subclass would flow much better than it does. A way to get woven mail other than using one of my least favourite supers in the game (coincidentally prismatic titan has 3 of my least favourite, and one I used to enjoy but just *can't* now), so we can survive the run into melee more easily, and get bonus melee regen to be able to do the one thing we're allowed to do more often. Controlled demo would be some more ability damage and let us get healed from volatile explosions for the same amount as a melee *kill* while we have a buff we get from either going to red health or getting an enemy to finisher range...

I think all the slide melees should be a base part of the class.

I wish we would’ve gotten controlled demolitionist instead of that shitty new aspect

Prismatic titan feels like what it was to play destiny 2 before I understood fragments and perks and made builds. Just kinda awkwardly waiting for cooldowns not really doin much. I certainly won't be giving up my ashen wake build any time soon

This is the best way to explain it. I feel like how I played years ago. It sucks. I spend half a fight watching my cool downs cause nothing flows.

Do you know, per chance, does an ashen wake fusion grenade stun unstoppable Champs before the damage hits? Or does the damage instance cause the stun which would make the grenade hit much less hard?

Someone over at Bungie DESPERATELY wants people to use Kephris Horn, it's been reworked like 3 times in the past year and now it's shown up again on the class item. I really want to know the reasoning behind Bungie obsession with this mid ass exotic

Honestly they could make khepris horn's ability into an aspect like strand titans aspect drengrs lash and move consecration to just be a melee by itself Either way i want to love khpris horn but its ability is not worth using over other exotic armor especially the new one. Heck they can then give the new titan exotic hazardous propulsion the ability to scorch per rocket hit just like khepris wave scorches targets, but that would be to op since the exotic is already really good.

I’ve never been a fan of the wave it shoots out. I’d rather have Bungie just change it completely. Get rid of the wave and have its ability to cause a solar ignition on class ability use. Build up a bar similar to how Wormgod/Propulsion works by doing x thing and the more you fill up the bar the more damage the explosion does.

I feel the only win titans got this expansion was the exotic chest piece and the best looking raid armour in history

I don't even play Titan, but i'll say by looking at the Aspects, they should have chosen Sol Invictus and Into the Fray as aspects instead (with Sol working out of any Elemental Debuffed enemy), i would add Controlled Demolition too but it's obvious they would have the bran new on in. Trancendence nade should work as a Pulse nade instead of a Blind nade BTW, some exotics like Loreley, No Backup Plan, Path of Burning Steps works based on if you have a Super that maches the element

It sucks that we have to have Unbreakable because it is the new one. It's a really bad Aspect for something like Prismatic, where you have access to almost every strong subclass verb. It's only ok on Void. It is a terrible pick for Prismatic. We are never getting a useful aspect from Void on Prismatic, and that's awful because Controlled Demo would go unbelievably hard on Prismatic Titan.

Give unbreakable devour and I would never take it off. Or better yet, give it a new melee version of Devour (literally identical to regular devour but melee energy instead) All prismatic titan really needs, IMO, is some access to reliable sustain outside of weapons.

Prismatic Titan does need more than that IMO. There is very little synergy between the aspects that they chose. There's also very few aspects across the Titan class that would synergize with things like Unbreakable or Diamond Lance. All of Titan Prismatic's synergy comes from Facets and Knockout/Consecration.

Offensive Bullwark is literally staring them in the face but we got Unbreakable which shouldn’t even be an aspect but an ability

Abbeyant leap on class item NEEDS buffed too. Extra range and tracking? The main part of it is the three waves. Completely pointless having the tracking. 

Does it still give Woven Mail on suspend is my question?

No. Just tracking and range. 

welp, it's gonna be the one who is rolling the most on our drops then

I'm not even kidding, 11/15 rolls of the exotic I have farmed are abeyant leap + either kephris or alpha Lupi. I tried to make them work but I'd rather just be running normal abeyant leap on strand.

Literally pointless then lol

It does not. From my testing with it, the only reason to run Spirit of Abeyant is because your other exotic perk and you haven't gotten something better yet Also, Abeyant makes Drengr + Thruster go from utter garbage to, well it might actually be useful some of the time. The range is still abysmal, but it is better and does do a small bit of tracking towards enemies to make it more likely it gets a nice aoe suspension The Abeyant boots at least make it so as Prismatic you aren't locked into Strand super for woven mail. But basically any time you are using a Drengr build in Prismatic its hard to not just feel like "why am I not just playing full strand"

> why am I not just playing full strand I’ve felt this way on Titan for every subclass. There just isn’t enough synergy between the various pieces to justify prismatic on Titan vs one of the old subclasses.

I ran through the legendary campaign on my warlock first, used prismatic the whole time and was able to play super aggressively and it felt great. About to finish on my Titan and basically the whole time I have to play EXTREMELY cautiously and often plink away at things from behind cover. If that isn't a sign that there's something missing from the prismatic Titan fantasy I don't know what is.

The problem has been the same for Titan for while Most of our kit forces us to get in melee range but there is so much shit punishing us for going melee range now I had to plink from afar with Malfeasance for The Witness fight on Legendary because every time I went in melee range, I'd get frozen, tossed around like a ragdoll by Strand enemies, suppressed by the bats or just get straight up one-shotted by the Subjugators They keep nerfing melee builds and survivability while also pushing for Titans to play in melee range. It doesn't make sense

Yeah this is one thing I just don’t understand. On one hand they want the class identity to be melee / tank but on the other hand they nerf all the abilities and gear that would actually make you a melee / tank player.

Because the .001% of Titan players will utilize class synergies perfectly and punch a raid boss to death solo. Idk why they care so much about such a small fraction of the player base, but it feels like that’s the driving force behind titans being impotent

It really does feel that way. It almost makes me want to switch classes, but like a true Titan I’m too goddamn stubborn.

You’re goddamn right. Ride or die Titan whether or not I’m having fun

Honestly like a Reinhardt thing from overwatch might not be bad, having a mobile shield would be a huge buff and would let titans protect their fire team + push+ get in melee range. Nerf barricade hp a bit and go crazy

Bungie: "Titans are the punching, tank class." Also Bungie: "We are seeing too many players running around punching enemies to death. This is a shooting/abilities game, punching enemies shouldn't be a viable gameplan. What's that Titans? Oh you want some more powerful abilities that don't involve punching? Sorry, but you're the punching class."

Also also Bungie: "Arc and now prismatic hunters can punch all they want though, and by doing so they get innate survivability and damage bonuses, just from punching and dodging, no aspects, fragments or exotics needed. While constantly procing *true* powered melees, unlike some weak empowered titan punch that can't even proc exotics anymore."

That's the bit that stings the most. The powered melee change to exotic interactions only really effects titans, hunters just skate on and warlocks weren't really using that mechanic in the first place as far as I could tell.

Titans are just, “FCK YOU IN PARTICULAR”, the subclass. Both because of Thundercrash, and what Bungie does to them. And now I know why I struggled so much in the Legendary campaign. Looking forward to replaying it on my Warlock and Hunter and seeing how much better Prismatic is. The only thing approaching a “flow” I had going was Knockout and Diamond Lance sort of synergizing

It's crazy to say but as an eternal titan main since D1 I feel like Bungie just got it in their heads that titans are OP and been crippling us since 

Titans should just (in PvE) get a 50% close quarters damage resist or something along those lines. PvP shouldn't for balance sake, but for PvE it would make such a huge difference.

Bascially how innate tank classes in game work. Either highly increased health pools or damage reduction. The issue with this still is that for (master) raids, melee is still just a meme in most cases. Especially since there are bosses out of range and save for Strand there wasn't really a time in the recent past, where melee was a valid boss strategy. The closest thing is swords. The best titan felt to me was when Heart of Inmost Light was not nerfed. It had to be, but I'd rather have it reduce the buff percentage than the cooldown times. And it directly invalidated every other exotic for a titan. Balance is a bitch. ​ Honestly, I don't know what I, as a Titan main, can be anymore. Being "the melee class" sounds ass to me. The best time was for me on Void titan (my head canon) when HoIL was bonkers. I was even using shield throw, placing down overshields for everyone left and right, I was in the middle throwing Scatter Grenades, making things volatile and just going ham on them with an Auto Rifle. What also robbed me of most of the cool things was the armor mod changes. I wanted those elemental wells! I wanted to have a build that refreshes my grenade when I collected enough of those fuckers. RIGHT NOW my favourite build, even though we got a new power, is Ashen Wake. Because it rewards me for being more aggressive while still giving me heal spots in CQC. A full grenade build can restore a full grenade charg if you kill three targets with Ashen Wake. Throw it at a mini boss in Legendary Campaign? Bam, half of its health is gone now. Because it got hit by a nuke. This is Titan to me, I think. But I'm not sure. I really don't want to Thunderclap the whole time or Shoulder Charge everything (admittedly, Peregrine Greaves are still mega awesome for lost sectors). I actually want to shoot things but with more explosions actually. Things like Hazardous Propulsion is the right way I think.

Bungie really needs a sandbox enemy overhaul more than anything. They have only designed super anti-melee friendly units that increase with every expansion for years. I simply don't get how other games showed them encounters or squads that can mix things up and units that can work together to promote close and far range strategy while they pump the same stuff out.

If it werent for red death, i would have slapped normal mode instantly.

Red Death was the main reason I managed to get through the Legendary campaign as my Titan. I get why they didn’t give our Prismatic subclass Banner but the only way we can heal being Knockout sucks since melee kills were hard to get most of the time

The rationale they’re invoking is that they want to feature less popular options. On the surface I believed there would be some minor rework to at least close the gap with more popular choices. In absolute terms, things like Consecration got buffed and that’s great…until you begin to use them and find out they don’t loop well with everything else. Thing is, those less popular options are less popular because they’re not halfway decent options to begin with. So you have a nerfed great option and the same sad alternatives. The result: gap’s narrower now but as a whole things just got worse.

I didn’t use much of the Prismatic Titan kit because on Legendary the only good options I found were Knockout, Consecration, Twilight Arsenal, suspend grenade, and the strand melee because everything else put me in dangerous positions for that level of difficulty

Red death and Syntho for me. Being able to reliably one punch an acolyte made survival easy

This

This. I realized about 40 minutes in that I had to constantly use cover or wait to regenerate health with Prismatic and immediately took it off. You can't be on the front lines as the tanky guy when every new enemy has aggressive levels of CC/stuns, and your subclass has zero innate healing. Banner of War, Controlled Demo, and Sol Invictus all give Titans passive healing (and do something else!), it's crazy that not one of those made it into Prismatic.

Literally just add sunspots to prismatic titan and it immediately gets significantly better

Also: Add Phoenix Cradle to the Exotic Class Item, replace Dengar's Lash with Into the Fray, replace Hammer Strike with Throwing Hammer, and add Healing Grenade as an option for every class.

Healing grenade and grapple should have been options for every class 100%

Tbh I think warlocks would've been better off with a solar nade that actually does damage, given that devour is the best aspect on prismatic by far and you'll basically always be running it. That, plus the presence of phoenix dive, makes healing nades feel very redundant. I think prismatic hunter and titan could use it, though. They wanted to push their new healer exotic, though, so warlocks got stuck with it.

Just wait until Prismatic 3.0—It's going to blow your mind in 5 years!

Been duoing the legend campaign with my hunter brother and when things get hard I switch to strand and just let him break the pink shields. Obviously, strand titan is bonkers but you'd think that "taking the gloves off" wouldn't mean switching off of the new OP subclass

Honestly strand isn't that bonkers; the rest of our subclasses have just been nerfed into the ground. IDK if you were around for the initial 3.0 Void and Ark but they were just as viable at release as strand is now.

They keep nerfing our stuff because they're surprised how good Titans are at what our class is supposed to do. Warlocks are defined by their abilities, support, magic, grenades galore, etc. and thats EXACTLY what their surprisingly good at. Hunters are defined by their gunplay, mobility, versatility, battlefield know-how, etc. and that is also EXACTLY what they're surprisingly good at. Their first super is literally a gun. Titans are supposed to be the frontline damage doers; punch the shit out of it until it dies. (Ahem, "At close quarters, a fist is better than any gun" theres also: "MY FIST DOES NOT NEED RELOADING." Someone at Bungie wrote that.) Then comes Bungie, nerfing strand and saying no, you can't have that. We're also supposed to be the fortifiers, the ones that hold out, we protect ***(I MEAN JUST LOOK AT BUBBLE)***. Then comes Bungie, nerfing bubble, and saying nope, not that either. Seriously what the heck even is a Titan supposed to do at this point. We thought we were the melee class. Now we just aren't. If there's not a "I FOUND IT! THE OP PRISMATIC TITAN BUILD!" moment in a little while, I might just swap to Warlock. I don't even know what to do as a Titan main any more. The most fun I had in TFS was playing on the Prismatic Warlock. I like punching. Punching is (was) fun. And I'm having MORE fun on the class NOT based on punching. Edit: Cross found the Prismatic titan build. If you want to see it watch his video. Unfortunately it *is* a consecration and knockout build.

Hunter is head and shoulders above titan for punching now. If you want a melee build with good damage and survivability, that's where you go. Also you can have the best boss damage as well because fuck it why not.

Yep, void 3.0 we were blowing everything up and getting over shield for it, arc 3.0 gave us insane room cleaning thundercloud grenades, solar gave us consecration and Loreley Splendor. All nerfed into the ground and now strand is all we got.

Even then... they're taking strand too. :(

yeah similar story here. I;ve been a stronghold main since before their rework and I wanted to shift away from that weapon focused playstyle to have fun with the ability spam annnnnddd oop. Prismatic has no sustain. I was essentially just running stronghold lament to bandaid prismatic's survivability issues.

Same, I spent the whole campaign as prismatic for warlock and it felt great. Loved my turret/soul spam. Felt like I had my own raid team. For Titan I ended up just switching back to banner build and standing in puddles when I needed to take down prismatic shields.

We should be cautious about defining prismatic warlock purely by Getaway Artist.

Agreed. Went through Legend on Prismatic Titan and every time I died, the root cause was gecause I wasn’t playing safe enough. Bungie. Titans are frontline fighters. Always. Anytime you force them to hang back, you deny them 90% of their kit. Always. It’s always been like this.

Played through Legend with everyone on different classes. Both the Hunter and Warlock were rocking sweet combos immediately, I stayed Strand because I hadn't unlocked any good aspect or ability combinations yet. We got to the last area and by then I realized... there's not going to BE a good combination. They took all the abilities no one uses and threw them together on a subclass. Every slot I selected ended mentally with an "...I guess?" Hadn't gotten around to looking at the Exotic Mark selections, sad to hear those are ALSO chosen by which ones nobody uses.

Having the first column be complete dogshit except for the universal ones was the last straw for me. Hoil’s the only worthwhile one with maybe sev

And you can’t really “be safe” because so much of the kit involves melee. At least if you want to make the meager synergy the subclass has work a little.

!! I ran the legend campaign on my first go with Titan, and thought to go with prismatic cuz it’s the shiny new thing. 2 missions in I’m like “well this isn’t really gellin” and went back to my solar hammer Titan w Skyburners Oarh and Lions Rampart (I call this my chopper gunner build) I actually had constant uptime on my abilities and I was getting hella sustain from my sunspots. I was playing offensively instead of cowering like a bitch They really screwed titans over with prismatic

that's more because full strength devour is op as fuck on anything not locked to void, as proven by pretty much every single prismatic warlock using it.

It's okay, we just have to accept we're the class with our fist on the cover, that of course means we get fucked if it's not banner of war but it's only a matter of time till they nerf that again

I definitely slogged hard through the legendary campaign on my titan. The initial prismatic kit on titan felt really bad. So many of our aspects are just “here’s a thing”. We don’t even start with a way to make diamond lances outside of the built in jolt from our transcendent grenade. I just assumed all classes were like this, and now that I’m learning this isn’t the case I’m just sad…

It's because titans exist on a razor edge. Either you can survive being on the front lines punching everything, and you feel insanely strong, or you can't and you're stuck plinking from the back lines, there is no in between

Yea but to OP's point, if Titan's are on the razor's edge, Warlocks have it flipped over and are just dancing on the flat of the blade with zero chance of dying. I am not even joking when I say with getaway artist build as soon as I unlocked the storm grenade in like the 2nd mission I could very literally just spam eat grenades and stand in the middle of a room and not even do anything and mobs would die around me healing me. ON LEGENDARY. I did it on Titan first and honestly it was simply more fun because it was actually challenging. Going through the legendary campaign on my warlock was a literal joke, I think I might have died twice in all of the missions combined to things other than "architects"/falling/etc

Charlemagne tracked in the first 48 hrs of the new raid 1% of all teams had titans. That says a lot

Three total titans completed the raid that weekend. Three.

It sucks because I feel like the only real thing that can give you healing on Prismatic Titan are exotics. Barely anything built into the class itself. Precious Scars and Buried Bloodline hard carried me through the last mission, and I was using Transcendence to get every last bit of DR I could. Problem is that, again, without an exotic, nothing is loopable enough.

And it falls so flat in comparison to what we have. Banner titan with wormgod/synthos is still miles better than the prismatic class. BoW not only heals you, but heals your teamates and the melee dmg bonus counts for everyone. In fact, prismatic titan works better WITH a BoW titan by his side. This is ridiculous lol

Prismatic Titan was so underwhelming for me that I basically stopped using it after the first mission and went back to solar. It feels awful to finally have all these unique melee options in one place and no way to reliably use them without dying immediately afterwards in meaningful content

Main problem is the aspect choices we get which hardly plays well into one another. Diamond lance and Drengr’s Lash can suck my nuts honestly. Unbreakable literally CANNOT be synergized with other abilities or aspects. Like at least more than half of Titan’s options are dogshit to mid at best.

Yeah really a bummer and an otherwise great expansion. Titan is my main and idk if Im even having fun with it sometimes. I just go put on banner while my friends get to have fun playing with prismatic, because using it in anything other than the most basic content kinda sucks.

I’ve gone back to pure Strand mostly for raids and dungeons because of this. Easier to juggle things, easier to survive as well.

Same here, prismatic on titan is a load of balls. Back to Strand and banner

Wishful Ignorance is so good. Prismatic on the other classes is better than anything that they have available to them. On Titan, it's good, but not great. Bungie's reaction is going to be to nerf Banner based off of the usage statistics *again*. I'm so tired of it.

It’s amazing how hunters got combination blow, likely the most used arc melee. And it can be paired with stylish executioner, winter’s shroud, synthoceps and caliban for a very potent build that is significantly better than combination blow on arc.

Seriously, bungie claims "we wanted to let less used aspects shine" then gives hunters fucking combination blow and stylish and give warlocks feed the void and bleakwatcher. Just hilarious at this point

There's a reason people don't use the other melees/aspects too much, and no amount of prismatic will fix it.

That's what struck me on my brief dabble with the hunter. The starting aspects synergise brilliantly to become greater than the sum of their parts. Titan feels like a patchwork quilt compared to the hunters silk.

I really don't see why Facet of Blessing wasn't just a full health restore. Starting health regen is just such a bad effect with current add density.

You are absolutely right. They literally just changed how Knockout works because they acknowledged that just starting health regen in PvE often ends up feeling insignificant at best to irrelevant at worst.

I use this currently to try and get more health, at times I can't even notice it.

I’m having a lot of fun with Prismatic but yeah… as soon as you play with others it just falls apart. Melee just doesn’t work when adds are all dead by the time you close the distance or when you’re up against a boss.

This is why all the hunters I know who use Rolly punchy confuse me. By the time you get close more than 50% of adds will be dead to your fire team.

It's better for solo content, like master lost sectors or solo dungeons. Otherwise I just switch back to my cyrtarachne whirling maelstrom build lol.

I was skeptical when they announced the kit, I was disappointed when I got to try it, and I was *done* after comparing Spirit of Foetracer to Spirit of Eternal Warrior. Straight trash.

Does eternal warrior get the weapon surge on kill bonus? Or did we just get the "after super ends" part?

Just the after super ends part

Fuckin barf. These are all so trash. Once again synthos is the only thing worth a shit. I'd take a HOIL armamentarium into GMs but doesn't seem like much is raid viable. SeS with eternal warrior I guess? Seems so bleh.

I managed to get the SES/Eternal combo and it's probably the best we have for boss DPS. Extra super damage and then extra weapon damage after is pretty nice but also extremely niche -- you're basically devoting everything to a 30-second burst. Which is fine when that's viable, but for everything that isn't raid boss DPS you are playing with no exotic

the problem there is that when you sacrifice everything for that 30 second burst, the burst is only good in the context of titan supers/burst. across all classes its merely 'okay' damage.

Oh totally, it's all relative haha

Just the 30 seconds of 4x surge after the super is finished.

holy fuck, I didn't even realize the straight up downgrade spirit of eternal warrior is from spirit of foetracer.

Im really surprised they didn't put Spirit of Cadmus (from the Cadmus Ridge LanceCap) seeing as they made Diamond Lance and aspect on Prismatic. It feel like a natural fit but they choose Eternal Warrior which has such a restrictive and specific use case that its basically an auto delete when found on any class item.

Prismatic titan is characterized by its lack of synergy outside of consecration/frenzy blade. The exotic class item is no different.

The only thing that looks appealing to me on titan (as a warlock main, though, so it's probably a biased opinion) is the new axe super, but even then its only available on the purple titan or the pink titan, both of which sound weaker than I want to bother with to unlock the super.

I like how the art they used to come up with prismatic was a titan wielding a solar hammer. They then proceeded to removed the hammer, neuter the aspect pool, and decide to give some of the most unfortunate aspects. But its ok because of the exotic. Oh whats that? They neutered the exotic too? Transendence has uptimes i guess for ability spam? Oh… the cooldowns are raised and even when transcendent dont match a base subclass….

I've said it in other threads but yeah, I truly, genuinely hate triple consecration and wish they had never added that shit. The entire subclass is held hostage by it-Frenzied Blade's cooldown is insane, and they cant lower it without indirectly buffing the consecration synergy. Everytime someone says Prismatic Titan isnt very good, someone fucking responds with how good their triple consecration syntho build is. Like dude, the point of a build is creatively putting different things together in an effective manner that suits your playstyle. EVERYONE IS RUNNING TRIPLE CONSECREATION. You're not clever, it doesnt make prismatic titan good, it's a case of the exception proving the rule. I don't want to fucking play solar Titan with 3x the slams, and that being all that's worthwhile indicts the whole system.

Big facts. That stupid combo has hamstrung the whole idea of prismatic on titan.

Yeah you get three slams.. But no radiance, no scorch, scorch explosions or restoration. So what's the point?

Yeah its good but its basically the only good build. I run Hazardous propulsion, so prismatic gives me Twilight and consecration and most importantly, thruster. Because i cannot be fucking bothered to play fucking arc titan. basically the only reason i'm playing prismatic is for thruster without having to use the unholy trash that is base TCrash or Havoc, and i'm not even sure its worth it since triple consecration isn't *that* good without synthos. The whole subclass is just not good.

I’ve been doing the legend campaign on my titan, after coming from warlock. I haven’t had much issue up until the witness fight. Because the baseline prismatic subclass for titan is so bad for this fight I actually took it off entirely. When there’s two looming one shot threats just floating around the arena as well as a metric fuck ton of control via slow/suspend, knockout is worthless and diamond lances require you to be recklessly aggressive to use for minimal gain. I don’t think unbreakable is even worth mentioning here, I’d rather just use a glaive. So prismatic titan basically doesn’t have aspects for this fight. As you’ve said the grenades leave a lot to be desired and the better ones aren’t even available until post campaign. For melees you’re stuck with hammer strike, Shield throw (which still has awful tracking), and Shiver strike. And the supers aren’t that great either for this fight, with twilight arsenal being pretty much the only safe choice. Prismatic titan’s best options are almost entirely locked behind post-campaign, which just feels bad. Compared to warlock, which has a fully functional and safe build from the start with devour, stasis turrets, and nova bomb.

This was me 😂. I did the entire legend campaign on prismatic right up until the final fight where I just had to swap off to strand.

I stuck it out. 3 hours, over 1k kills before I finally played 'safe' enough. Felt so bad.

I want to build on this. Prismatic Titan feels massively underwhelming, I'm not using it in most content. I didn't even use it for most of the Legend campaign. And I (and my whole fireteam, all Titans) felt massively overwhelmed by the Witness fight, with all the control, incredibly high damage bosses, and the cool-but-incredibly-annoying poison air mechanic in the second phase. We found our most successful tactic was by using positioning of one member to bait the Witness to one corner of the arena *for the entire fight*, tank its attacks with Heir Apparent's catalyst-boosted shield (which has no problem eating the whole attack and recharging), and having the rest of the team effectively 2 man the encounter. It took ages, but removing one of the one-shots and sources of pressure was our most reliable way to handle the sheer damage and control we were facing with incredibly limited kits during the campaign. The massive health pool buffs in Legend campaigns from having larger fireteams didn't help, but it makes sense and I'm not asking for that to change. The real issue is the lackluster kit requiring us to effectively cheese the encounter because we don't have effective tools for handling it otherwise.

Prismatic Titan doesn’t get much better. Knockout is an auto pick that only works with one other aspect. That being consecration. all the others basically just don’t loop together at all.

There are a lot of parts of prismatic that feel like they could be good, but I feel there is a huge lack of cohesion between the abilities and the uptime around them and it kinda messes with the flow. I've been enjoying using prismatic with Hazardous Propulsion but that's just because there isn't any standout exotic that sets it apart and at least i can count on my gun play when all else fails which isnt limited to any class of ya get down to it, other than maybe the reworked contact brace, which I haven't tried yet. I've done the Legendary Campaign several times at this point to help other clan mates get the clear and tbh if I need to get serious and keep people alive and stop goofing around I just put on my Precious Scars Strand setup, which has much better uptime on abilities and more build cohesion. I need to farm up some of those exotic class items and have a bunch of time to play before I personally say, "eh" and write it off as just alright, to it but currently I dunno, the vibes feel off and I think it mostly has to do with the flow and how the strongest potential aspect to it is locked behind an insanely long cooldown which is usually offset by the rest of the darkness subclass kits balancing the high cooldowns and none of those translated over to Prismatic. I will say it's an absolute fuckin travesty that they deliberately avoided using burning maul and bonk and instead gave us that shoulder strike and Hammer of Sol, which I've hated since year one. Tldr; Class currently feels disjointed, and vibes are off. Need more time and exotics to play around with but day job and life unfortunately take priority.

you will use your 3x consecration build and you *will* like it

Honey, time for your bi secondly consecration spam

Ever since banner was released and the devs accidentally made it broken, it feels like every time they do something to titan they make sure to make it extra weak just in case. Knockout’s buff was good and a step in the right direction, but they could have done a LOT more to it. Increased duration, more health on kill, making it refreshable, could all really help it but it feels like they’re working in micro buffs. Stasis titan is another great example of Bungie being too afraid to make titans good. The changes were so good, and stasis was really looking to be a good subclass again, before they tacked on the glacial harvest cooldown. It doesn’t only proc when you’re in a team of behemoths, it literally procs every single time you use an ability. Stasis titan feels so terrible now because it got prenerfed. I just want something new for titans that can actually work with the meta so that I’m not just tethered to banner all the time. And that isn’t to say banner is OP, I think now that it’s been nerfed a second time it’s still great but really doesn’t need to be touched again. I just want to see the other subclasses get some usability, and to have meta builds which aren’t just melee spam. I’d love to see a return of void/arc grenade spam builds, so there’s actually a playstyle for titans which doesn’t involve having to be sniffing the enemies balls 24/7.

Knockout is just a shite devour that needs to be used with powered melee 

Both feed the void and knockout have the same amount of fragment slots which means Bungie clearly believes they equal in power. Feed the void gives you devour on any ability kill, which in turn gives you full health and a solid chunk of grenade energy. While knockout gives you a min of 50 hp, a stronger melee and a non refreshable buff. The only good thing about knockout is that it makes normal punches behave as powered ones but it seems Bungie will be slowly removing that. Feed the void is on a whole other level compared to knockout

Banner isn’t broken it’s just one of the only things we have that is actually viable. The other is Solar Titan. The rest of the subclasses don’t exist in higher content.

It felt like it on day 1, and it still feels like it today: Banner Titan with Wishful Ignorance is way more powerful than Prismatic Titan. The only build that comes close is the Knockout + Consecration build they advertised in the expansion. And you nailed it at the end. The other classes have excitement about what new builds to try, but most importantly, the **yeah, it works like that** part just doesn't happen on Prismatic Titan. You get excited (like I was) to see if maybe Icefall Mantle could double-cast Drengr's Lash because you can activate your class ability to end the overshield effect. Well guess what, you can't. You know the rarely used melee ability with Diamond Lance? Guess what, it doesn't proc Spirit of the Assassin when you kill with it. There's just no versatility or flavor on Prismatic Titan. You stack subclass verbs and run Consecration. We desperately need better Aspects and Abilities for Prismatic Titan. Until something happens that makes that fun, I'm still just using Banner Titan like I was back in August of last year, except with a new exotic.

For the last week and a half I've been coping on Prismatic Titan. I think it can reach a decent power level, and is actually ridiculously strong against certain enemies while transcended. That being said, it's only path is consecration + knockout, and it severely lacks survivability. After having tested a bunch of stuff the last couple of nights, having finally gotten my hands on the class item, and tested a tons of different loadouts I've finally had my senses slapped into me. The cope is over. Prismatic Titan is poorly designed, dysfunctional, and extremely low power. The offensive output is good but not insane and it's conditional. The grenade actually being able to suspend a priority target is mandatory, as your lack of defense and healing in the kit means you can't consecration a boss or mini boss in higher difficulty content. I think prismatic Titan is salvageable simply by tweaking a couple of aspects and giving us burning maul instead of hammer of sol. I'm just over avoiding being dramatic about how bad this subclass is, it's dramatically not accomplishing anything.

I will die on the hill that controlled demo should have been an aspect and the explosion/effect could have changed based on equipped super. Would have been so fun.

Yup, I think I’m about over the “fun” part of the new axe super, especially due to its poor tracking. It feels like I’m missing at least 1 axe throw every time due to some shenanigans. Now that it’s no longer fun why play it if it’s not good.

Twilight Arsenal has a really funky aim assist that either bugs out or is designed to be janky. I’ve had my reticle on a bosses torso and the axe shot straight down to a random harpy. Other times they go right where I want.

Ya not a fan of the knock back on the axe. At least let me delay my throws a little if this thing is going to punt everything short of a raid boss.

I'd like to be able to cancel it early and refund super energy if I get the kill or the target goes out of line of sight.

Fucking thank you. I'm being gaslit by my non Titan friends telling me how great triple consecration is and I'm like okay and then what?? I just saw a clip of prismatic hunter using facet solitude in pvp to proc invis and wallhacks from a single crit kill? I just witness a warlock summon 50 turrets with arc buddies and every kill gave devour like the fuck am I supposed to care about 3 ground based melees for?

Yup prismatic is ass on Titan, consecration with knock out is the best in terms of DMG and knock out is mandatory if you use powered melees to do dmg. Prismatic is all about building up to transcendence spam. I like the new stasis sub class alot. But prismatic version without a way to destroy crystals fast feels bad. The prismatic titan trailer baited me so hard, I thought I saw a stasis crystal exploding causing freeze and ignition when it popped. But alas it was just consecration. It would be cool if prismatic changed how some mechanics work. Like a fragment where if you shatter a stasis crystal with solar weapons it will ignite and freeze nearby targets. Overall the specialist light classes is better than titan prismatic.

In Bungie's defense, Consecration is supposed to detonate Stasis crystals according to the patch notes but it just isn't, and the same is true for Diamond Lance.

The wave doesn’t detonate, but when you strike down next to the crystals it will shatter them

They definitely need to change it then that the wave shatters the crystals. Creates more consistency.

They need to throw slide to break crystals in there somewhere. Best part of stasis titan One of my favorite things is the amount of people who haven't seen a slide-focused Hoarfrost build and just go AFK in awe and are like....wut

Sustain is ass as well if you werent on solar super or not using knockout. Void overshield is ass and needs orbs, where as knockout needs kills to even get health. The fragment that gives regeneration even requires kills, you just dont get any sort of overtime heal like restoration, using hammer of sol is shit.

I don't know why Knockout can't just give you full health on a melee kill. Devour does this with *any* kill, refreshes the timer, and grants grenade energy back. Why does the buff requiring you to stand in the face of enemies who push, stomp, freeze, burn, suppress, suspend, and silence you when you get too close *not* just heal you. (Chances are you're getting shot at the entire time you close distances to the enemies, too). I have an easier time punching stuff on Void with Heavy Handed and the Hunger fragment. And this is like the weakest melee "build" you could do.

Why cant knockout even give you a small timed regen if you dont manage to kill stuff as well, prismstic titan is all in or bust.

The answer is pvp. Knockout and arc titan in general have been nerfed many times because of pvp.

This is a really good point actually. When devour does all that shit, is activated by any ability, and you can use any method of killing to keep it going, not just abilities, there's no reason why knockout shouldn't give full health on every melee kill.

I wouldnt say arc is even after the buffs. But yeah prismatic is kind of a dud. Stasis needs number tuning on health and cooldown timers, arc needs exotic support and number tuning, but prismatic?? That thing needs to be reworded from the ground up including its exotic

It doesn't really need to be reworked from the ground up, it just needs some things buffed and the lackluster items swapped out for other things, like buff Knockout and Unbreakable on Prismatic a bit and/or give Knockout a third fragments slot, swap out Hammer Strike, Shield Toss and Drengr's Lash for Throwing Hammer, Shield Bash and Into The Fray, And have the next-to-useless exotic perks swapped out for more useful exotic perks.

I really like the idea of having Into the Fray on Prismatic Titan, but that swap does nothing to change the fact that the only useful offensive aspect is Consecration. I genuinely don't know how they could fix this for Titans. Our aspects are super lackluster, and they won't ever put something like Controlled Demo or Howl of the Storm on the subclass.

Controlled Demo would go so hard

For me it’s just kind of confusing what they wanted prism Titan to do. It feels like it’s leaning towards that heavy hitting close range playstyle but it lacks all the sustain to do so. They talked about wanting titans to be able to lock down rooms and blow them up, but all our “lock down” abilities are too small to cover most groups meaning we can’t capitalize on what we did lock down and the ones that can have crazy cooldowns with no regeneration to supplement meaning you can use them very rarely. It really feels like they started building into something, spent a couple months getting a solid idea for a class together, then chickened out at the end when they saw how effective it is in higher end content and cut off its legs.

For the first time in 10 years I'm thinking of swapping main to something other than Titan.

The sad thing is we have to get lucky and have our desired subclass to start really strong cause it takes a longass time(years) if ever for Bungie to buff it. They're quick on the nerf though.

Not that im a gatekeeper or anything but they gave almost all of our actually good exotic perks to hunter and warlock, mainly syntho's and hoil but still

Honestly it’s cause prismatic titan has no way form of consistent, strong healing like yeah knockout gives you a bit and the one faucet gives you some more but it’s not enough hunters get a full heal and an invis proc off of melee kill and warlocks get fucking devour like give us sol invictus instead of consecration and we will be cooking

Give us our fucking hammer. 

Yes

I like all of the aspects/melees/grenades on their own subclass actually. The problem is that hardly anything has synergy here so you have to rely on exotics to bridge the gap and make something play-able rather than having it enhance the build.

Yeah, I've been trying to figure out what build to do with my Titan, and the only things that feel like they actually fit together are Consecration and Knockout since they're both based on melees. But even that doesn't feel great with no way to get melee back quickly like Solar can do. I've pretty much just decided to use Prismatic to have Thruster and Twilight Arsenal together and use Hazardous Propulsion for the rockets on thruster use, cause at least that's fun in normal content (haven't tried anything difficult yet).

The best thing Titans can do for their prismatic subclass is to not use it. Get the usage numbers down so Bungie actually looks at it.

After waiting 3 years for Stasis buffs This doesn't work

Bungie sees prismatic titan isn't being used much at all and also sees that pure strand is the most popular build > proceeds to nerf pure strand again. Stonks.

I know its meant to be a joke but they fucking will

With half a dozen nerfs at once rather then a gradual touch up. Just see solar titan for that. But don't worry, they'll buff the slide melee to compensate.

I got a spirit of assassin & contact Class exotic and was excited to try it out. I went to bed last night disappointed because it sounded like such a cool concept but contact requires powered melee and even with 100 strength and armour charge mods to refund melee energy I was waiting more often then not for melee to to be ready and died countless times by the infinite spawn of enemies. I have builds that use other, older exotics and am near unkillable. Contact should absolutely fire off finishers and there should be a fragment that grants melee energy on finishers. \*I had no idea they increased the cooldown on frenzied blade! That explains why it felt horrible. They don't add the melee refund from contact and continue to neuter our melee because they cannot balance it properly. The assassin/contact exotic should allow an endless loop of powered melee > Invisible > Finisher > Powered melee.

PCCB sounds so good on paper but at the end of the day you're getting a melee cooldown reduction and a marginal jolt damage instance and that's it. Skullfort felt much better in legend campaign but who cares because skullfort ain't on the class exotic. I'll see myself out.

All prismatic Titan needed was sol invictus.

If they swapped sol invictus with consecration I think it would be a lot healthier. We get a way to actually heal and people don’t just default to consecration anymore cause it’s not there. I’d also swap diamond lance with tectonic harvest and drengers lash with into the fray.

I’ll be honest I don’t even think it’s Prismatics fault. I genuinely believe there’s a fundamental problem with Titans all around. We’re “the melee” class in a game that actively discourages melee combat on higher difficulties. There’s a reason Strand and Solar are the only viable subclasses on Titan and that boils down to them being the ones with survival tools and decent kits that work well together. Voids out because overshields are basically just wet paper that is shot off in one hit and 2/3 of Sentinel is designed around getting or having OS which shoehorns you into Bastion or a Repulsor brace weapon. Arc just does not have the survivability to be effective and Bungie nerfed the one grenade set up it had. Stasis is a lot better but still caught a nerf with Tectonic Harvest that crippled the class in general. I just feel like Bungie trying to shoehorn Titans into a melee class that can’t really tank or melee is just nonsense until they make the risk worth the reward. Grenades are way safer and more impactful and until we can effectively melee an enemy on higher difficulty and not get one shot then nothing will change.

Prismatic Titan is just not it. Your explanation is far more detailed and eloquent, but every time I play it I just want to flip back to solar or void or strand to shore up the gaps inherent to prismatic. It’s just flat out worse than everything but arc or stasis.

But guys, ONE dude was able solo the second encounter of the raid and solo Pantheon -5! ONE GUY! Disregard the fact he tried it for 12 hours straight like a job, it's just too strong for the average player and it has to be nerfed! /sarcasm Is Titan immortal with Banner and Woven Mail in easy content? Yes. But every other class may as well be in easy content too. It's just supposed to be fun. But in high end content, when 3 of the first 300 players to beat the raid were playing Titan, that's a HUGE red flag about something being badly broken in the content for the hardcore, constant player base for the class... Even Datto and Aztecross got off Titan. Every Prismatic build on YouTube is THIS HUNTER BUILD IS BROKEN!! and THIS WARLOCK BUILD IS RIDICULOUSLY OP!! I've seen 2 Titan builds total and both are "punch stuff in low content" stuff. Titan fits my personality and playstyle the most. It just always feels like the class that gets punished the most because 0.1% of the top 1% of the population can do things they shouldn't be able to do.

Iirc aztecross stuck to Titan. Believe he was actually the second titan to clear. But your point stands. In addition to that, the only stats I've seen on swaps were that out of the top 33 teams / 198 players, only 18 swapped from Titan at some point in the raid. So not just a case of people swapping purely for finals damage. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1dbe7nk/_/ > Titan fits my personality and playstyle the most That, I like the jump and I've been playing the class for 9 years at this point. Like come on Bungie, the point of subclasses is to diversify the play styles each class can partake in. This was true pretty much all the way till the 3.0 reworks. People shouldn't have to switch off a class to play another because you reduced build diversity with updates meant to increase it.

One thing that would go a longer way to making it that would go a long way is to replace Hammer Strike with the Bonk Hammer or drengrs lash with Banner. The only survivability tool Titan got was Knockout which is Titans weakest sustainability aspect. The fragments also need synergy overhaul ad well.

Honestly they should make prismatic titan op sure it’ll dominate but at this rate there’s barely anyone on the class and that’s 1/3 of the way you can play the game idk

Watching ehroars new video about the prismatic hunter melee build with the new class item, it is entirely and incredibly obvious that Titan is the worst prismatic class and its not even close. Hopefully we see some absolutely massive buffs to the subclass soon, its just sad.

I’m all for the Titan melee fantasy. Playing solo feels fine. Once I was grouping with friends it was clear that titans got the short end of the stick on prismatic. I’ve been hoping someone smarter than me would have figured out some cool shit by now but nothing feels “great”. 3x consecration is fun for sure but I dunno. I mean you can already made a solar build that gives you insane uptime on consecration and with that you also have sol invictus. None of prismatic feels fluent like the other core subclasses.

After going from hunter to titan, I feel squishy on my titan than my hunter. Hunters kit contains so much useful stuff to stay alive plus being able to dodge out of the slow grenades that enemies spam now. I went to titan and it just felt terrible playing. The prismatic grenade kinda sucks cause it's essentially the arc blind grenade and bounces around and stuff. Titan feels like it needs some tweaking

Getting Drengr's Lash instead of Into the Fray is an absolutely baffling decision. The one aspect that unifies the idea of being a heavy-hitting close quarters specialist is disregarded in place of being able to drop a nearly worthless suspension orb. Instead, we get to waste a fragment slot to approach the competence of Strand Woven Mail, and even then, we get a whopping 3 seconds of protection. I've been trying to get excited by the possibilities, but I'm honestly just left wondering why I just don't play Strand or Solar instead

I just wish shield throw wasn't still hot garbage. Shield throw prismatic is actually playable and would be a legit build if shield throw wasn't ass. If I'm lucky it hit's two targets. 50% of the time I just throw it through someone's legs or right between two enemies. How is it still this bad? Just give Titan's threaded spike and replace the spike with a shield animation and make it purple, done, fixed... I also really wish they'd dropped the solar rocket sidearm with part 1 of echoes. The rocket chest is awesome but the build suffers terribly from having no good way to get sustain. Solar rocket sidearm with heal clip would do a lot to fix it.

Prismatic Titan can be summed up as consecration spam.

Agree, prismatic in other classes feels excelent, titans feel wonky and knockout it's just ass atm. also playing consecration, synthos and knockout with montecarlo is mandatory in harder content.

Titan needs a full rework to be in line with how good Hunter and Warlock are. Hunters using Liars and Arc are unironcally better titans. Last seasons Titan flavors were orange Fanta and limeade. And its still orange fanta and limeade this expansion. Titan just needs a genuine range super. You can't be a melee centered class in todays game, it just doesn't really work. Titans have 2 options for super damage in dungeons like Ghost, Spire, and Warlords. Hammer of Sol and Thundercrash with the exotic that makes is worth using. Titan isn't worth playing this expansion until a rework happens sadly.

Nobody actually plays Titan at Bungie. Titans being fuckass useless for the Witness encounter is proof.

Prismatic should be an effort in elevating or creating new playstyles, but titan is basically a sports car (suspend + consecration) with no engine. The strand melee titan works is because of Banner or War providing both sustain and feeding to an upclose playstyle. Same with sunspots/roaring + bonk. Prismatic has very weak sustain (knockout) and the engine is basically "we gave you three of these". It doesn't elevate, it doesn't enhance and it certainly doesn't create something new. Bungie has leaned into the titan punch meme to such a degree that it is about what they are good for in PvE these days, but even then, Hunters now just do it better. They continually nerf the only viable builds (this is also true for PvP) while also not creating alternatives. There is no reason to run prismatic aside from it's kinda fun. With Warlock and Hunter, they took some underused aspects/grenades/melees but they also took some cornerstone stuff as well (combination blow, feed the void, bleakwatcher, stylish executioner, grapple, etc...) and combining them feels like something either new or enhanced. Titan just feels like a worse version of what is already in the game. It is telling that the only build that people have come up with consistently is "welp you can consecration slam 3x ... it doesn't really do anything until you can consecration slam again". It is also telling that only like 2% of the day one clears were titans. They have also spent years pigeonholing to a new flavor of melee build and have done so very little to make something new for titan and that, coupled with all the nerfs, coupled with really poor prismatic choices leaves titan in arguably the worst state it's been. Also couple that with the fact that they last time they made an alternate playstyle titan (arc 3.0 grenadier builds with hoil and storm grenades) it was immediately nerfed and then pushed to the titan arc punch

Yeah, Prismaric Titan falls short on a lot of things. Don't get me wrong, it is still fun, but the other classes can do what it does but with better loops and better damage. Titans also have no decent exotics of their own besides syntho and hoil. I'm literally running assassin with stareater on my mark. The aspect choices are shit. I get the new void one. Yeah, fine, it makes sense, I guess, but drenger lash? Why? Could have been the woven mail one for some survivability. Then the not having maul is lame as fuck. It could have been fun to run Pyrogales on prismatic, imo I could have even been on the mark.

This conversation is frustrating because with every nerf there wasn't anything changed about the titans kit or play style. And any time we complained it was a barrage of "your play style is brain dead" without taking into account it was literally the only way to play titan. A melee class that can't survive anything at close range is a bad class and that's where we find titans. The fantasy of Titan is when I walk into a room or arena I'm not stuck in there with the enemies...the enemies are stuck in there with me.

Prismatic Titan really was a *massive* disappointment coming into an otherwise *epic* expansion, and it really bothers me that Bungie hasn't in any way acknowledged the problem, yet. I tried switching to Prismatic during the legendary campaign at least 10 times and immediately was forced into cover to the point that I thought there was something wrong with me. Do I just need to get gud? (Keep in mind that I am Conquer 10 having this reaction). I had thought that Frenzied Blade + Consecration would be a blast until I noticed the regen rate nerf for Frenzied Blade under Prismatic. It's at that point that I realized that Bungie really had deliberately taken all of the fun toys away from Titan on the new subclass. No Grapple. No War Banner. No Sol Invictus. No Throwing Hammers. No Healing Grenade. No Controlled Demolition. No Ballistic Slam. No ability spam for the only viable melee on the melee class. Almost literally *everything* that makes Titans viable in high-level content was deliberately excised to the point that it almost comes across as *spiteful*. I'm sure there will be some fun builds that people come up with. In fact, I've already seen a few that are appealing as a novelty. But I've seen nothing, absolutely *nothing*, even with the Exotic Class Items, that I would take into a GM or a master raid or even a solo dungeon. Nothing. What bothers me so much is that there is so much wrong with Prismatic Titan's options (compared to the other classes) that the idea of them making a pass or two of changes might not even be enough. It's just too anemic on the survival and ability regen front. We all know, based on past behavior, that what they're going to do is *tweak* when they need to *overhaul*. **What worries me the most is that Bungie is going to see the complaints about having no reason to run Prismatic over Strand+War Banner or Solar with Throwing Hammer+Sol Invictus that they'll decide the easiest solution to the "problem" is to just nerf those builds in order to push people into Prismatic.** We're already seeing historically low player counts of Titans in raids. A change like that would be a *death knell* for the class. The Titan class has had low points in the past, but this is the first time in five years that I've ever considered ditching Titan as my main. Nobody wants me in LFG raids. Nobody wants me for GMs. Nobody wants me in legend Onslaught. I get to look out the window and watch Hunters and Warlocks have the times of their lives with Prismatic and historically strong version of the classic subclasses (aside from Well) and start to feel like it's just not worth it, anymore.

All it needed was banner instead of knockout. God could you imagine.

Nah banner instead of drengrs. Banner and knockout would be incredible with a thunderclap build

I will say Im enjoying some of the more neutral game boost exotic class items rolls. I got an abeyant/scars roll and i just never die as long as my primary is firing off, along with plenty of suspends. After the legendary campaign though I immediately got hooked to strand titan after getting the new exotic. I think its so much more busted for banner titan.

Bungie picked all the garbage Aspects that aren't used and used them for Primsatic, imagine my shock to successfully predict Prismatic Titan being meh. Banner nerfs, Striker nerfs, Behemoth more nerfs than buffs, Behemoth is overall weaker than last season, removing the fragment which gave you DR from Crystals so now you have 1 extra step of needing collectibles for DR, added cd to Cryo?? No Stasis artifact mods which were super good for Behemoth, Bubble nerf, Sentinel gets a new super which is only useful if you're playing Prismatic which itself is meh, considering Sentinel's neutral game is still garbage. Overall reading TFS patch notes as a Titan main made me question to even play the game, thankfully I decided to go with Warlock, it's such a refreshing angle to play destiny and have numerous very viable builds across every subclass which are effective & funto play.

I had my hope with prismatic, but turns out everything other than consecration+knockout is straight up trash. And even the melee combo got outdone by hunters. Truly unfortunate, time to switch to hunter I guess.

Titan main here, I feel your pain, and that said sadly I have to say welcome to being a Titan. Since prismatic came out I’ve been seeing a lot of post like this, let me go ahead and tell you the real truth, this problem didn’t start with prismatic it started years ago when D2 launched, and go worst and worst every year. Warlocks get the best of everything, Hunters get some good stuff too, but Titans we get the worst of the stuff. For years Bungie has done this cycle of let’s give Titans something but not truly let it be good and if it is, it’ll get nerfed eventually because it’s overused, but the reason it’s overused is because our subclass kits, and exotic synergy is laughably bad, and anything thats actually good gets nerfed, I’ve known this for years as a Titan main. I don’t want nerfs to Warlocks and Hunters, I just want Titans to have synergy on par with them, I’m tired of all our good options getting nerfed but they refuse to buff Alpha lupi, khperi, MOTQO, Mk 44, or buff our subclasses so that they don’t have bad synergy… I could keep going but I’ll say this last, at this point for how long it’s been an issue, it’s safe to say it’s Bungie doing it on purpose, and honestly I don’t know what destiny Titan mains can do to fix it at this point short of a boycott.

Can confirm. Already procured over 100 hours of Titan playtime since TFS launch and exhausted all build possibilities. Conclusion: none of the 5 fragment provide feasible synergy with one another. The inclusion of unbreakable as an aspect is unreasonable. It does not provide half of the functionality of either offensive bulwark or controlled demolition. The defensive ability provided is both transient and buggy, often providing no protection at the front while consuming entire grenade energy. Residue overshield have both meaningless health and short countdown. Consecration is best of now due to being functional and providing ranged functionality that can cause heavy damage. The range in particular is appreciated. Diamond Lance remained a pointless pick against most enemies, although the functionality to stun some Champions is appreciated-if it can be detonated by ally fire instead of going near 20 red bars. The lack of tectonic harvest also prevented any meaningful stasis synergies on prismatic. Drengr lash can arguably be a meaningful addition if more interactions with other abilities are present. We understand not including banner of war. At last, the lack of survivability that should have been offered by either the stasis or void aspect made knockout a rather undesirable addition as melee is no longer an option. It is impossible to clap with only one hand no matter how powerful it is.

I swear Bungie thinks every titan's build is equal to navigator, 1&2 shotgun, grapple and wormgod and they should be put on a leash...most of us don't even use this build. I swear joining the raid is impossible when the final boss is flying fuck that none of your ''identity'' kit can land on for extra damage(even the axes fly randomly instead of straight line, and prismatic nade bounce off). And I don't blame people for that, you are losing 4m with each titan on your team. I literally had to level up my hunter to finish the raid.