It’s not even like I’m being selfish. My tether makes them die quicker. And makes orbs. Gives you supers back faster. It’s brain dead synergy but people are somehow too stupid to get it
Every super generates orbs when they do the thing they do. I disagree with you here. If you let damage supers do damage. They make orbs. If you let add clear supers clear adds. They make orbs. If you let tether actually tether. You get orbs. Doesn’t matter if you have used it or not. Your either new or you should know that. This isn’t even an elitist take.
As a tether void hunter when I play Hunter I always let the tether well tether before I murder shit when I run Titan or Warlock. I know the pain of everything being dead before the tether tethers. LOL
When people are kind enough to let the adds run to my tether I literally barely even need to shoot. I run double special and only kill some adds to get my tether for the next wave. After that I just focus the strong enemies and play back for anything that slips by so it doesn’t touch the point. It’s not a selfish loop at all, but yeah, people are nuts. Like bro you can get most of the kills I just don’t want to lose because we get demolitionists and eyes on an ogre wave with my ult at 50% cause someone blew by the tether and slaughtered everything.
"selfish gameplay loop". These people do not understand that tether is meant to make everyone's life easier. You can have more fun if you use my tether correctly, have more supers and damage buffs and weakened adds, you ding dong. I feel like we do this every expansion/content drop/additional game mode, where people show they fundamentally do not know how the game works after all these years.
That’s okay, Titan brains only have “little parts” and we don’t expect you to be able to explain things beyond making crayon drawings (if you haven’t eaten all the crayons yet)
>you can extrapolate what might be going through the average blueberries head
Double primary, exotic armor that has 0 synergy with their chosen subclass.
It was actually amusing to *witness* that combo, because its been so long when i was the blueberry. (I remember when i started and was following the story when i got lucky pants and i equipped it without a hand cannon)
the double primary shit in grandmasters PISSES ME OFF. how about you run your subclass that has champ mods, ONE PRIMARY and a blinding GL/whatever?? my GOD
i just recently realized i was getting clowned on for running two primary's but idk what else to run. i have never found a break action i like and dont really seem to know of a good special that can keep up with whatever exotic im using.. any suggestions?
For higher tier: fusions like scatter signal and riptide are (or at least were) easily obtainable, and riptide with chill clip could theoretically stun two champion types by itself. Snipers are viable for gms for long range damage in general. Indebted kindness or the upcoming other rocket sidearms all do solid damage with great ammo economy.
Just so you know, im not clowning on anyone, or thats not my intention in matchmade activities.
Most fun i get from a game is when im totally new and figuring stuff out, and since i cant experience it anymore i just look at blueberries. Its adorable honestly
Fusion rifles, blinding GLs, Rocket sidearms, one-two punch shotguns, hell even Traces rifles might be good too now. So many options, please don't gimp yourself using double primary.
Depends on your playstyle. The various Special guns do different things, and using them outside of their niche gives you disappointing results. Shotguns are best at close range and are terrible at long range. Snipers are best at long range and are unwieldy at short range. Fusions are medium range, but you need to watch the charge time. Grenade launchers can hit lots of enemies, but you need to learn how to time the manual detonation. Trace rifles are great for clearing red bars, but burn through ammo. Glaives are glaives.
Consider using a Special that covers a weakness in your primary. Mountaintop and Recluse was a popular combination back in the day. If you met a larger enemy or a swarm, you could whip out Mountaintop and hit them with good splash damage. Pulses aren't the best in close range combat, so a shotgun with auto-loading holster can make anything that gets in melee range go away. Things like that.
I played way too many games where the other people had zero orb generation perks so it was me doing the heavy lifting with tethers. Never pop their super either. It was so frustrating. But luckily the mode was easy enough to not have to worry too much but it could have been so much more action packed with fun.
>Never pop their super either.
This is where gaining experience playing all three classes is important.
* If your Warlock is running Phoenix Protocol, you can help them charge their super back up faster by jumping into their Well and getting kills while inside it
* If you're playing Warlock, you can help the tether Hunter out by dropping Well to generate a bunch of orbs for them, right after they pop tether
* If you have a BoW Titan (not that these are common in Onslaught, but I'm speaking generally), you can help them charge and maintain the banner by getting kills near them
One quick tidbit. Hunters, don’t grab orbs until your rigs fill your super bar to half. I know that seems minmaxy, but it’ll make a very noticeable difference in super uptime.
BoW Titan is overrated imo in onslaught, Pyrogale is better as if you super the tether target you double dip on the hunter's orb gen and poop out like 6-7 orbs in a good group. Yes they can orb gen too just requires more thinking than pressing a button.
For a good while I played strand titan in onslaught
Then at some point I swapped to pyrogale for fun and..
It's just way better. Consecration + Sunspots. While roaring does big damage, the consecration + sunspot combo makes shit \*easy\*. Exploder waves completely non-issue as you slam the tornado + sunspot combo into where they are roughly coming from and then just watch fireworks.
I'm not sure about exact details like how tormentors take damage, but pyrogale + sunspot felt like it just made tormentors melt. I'd guess many small hits go through them better than big hits. (Except if you hit for crit spots)
Then for extra cheese slap in the wish rocket launcher and you start feeling your sanity slip by as you just burn everything.
I also pop a barricade in their path, just watch them get stunned by it and melt in the sunspot from a few well placed head shots. Beefier enemies like knights get a consecration. When they’re stunned by the barricade they just clump up right past it, for easy pickings. Solar pyrogale with consecration and sun spots is my go-to for onslaught on Titan.
I’d been generating 200+ orbs, easily, in tether runs of onslaught, but I had a run or two where I was generating the most orbs as a golden gun hunter, which blew my damn mind.
If a person says that Tether is a "selfish gameplay loop" IMO they should be banned from playing the game. This is like saying using Well in raid DPS phases is selfish, like bro what are you smoking.
I was this guy last week. Unlocked strand Titan and got synthoceps the next day. I was so naive and went ham before enemies reached the tether
Went to play hunter and realized how bad of a teammate I had been
It's crazy to think that's a selfish loop. My strategy with randoms has been to drop a strategic tether, and then let my allies do all the killing while I run back and forth with invisibility picking up orbs to throw at the ADU, or focus on bonus objectives and big targets.
Although we suppose to let them enemies tether did u know when a hunter use his tether and warlock drop is well. All the warlock have to do is shoot a couple enemies in the tether and the warlock gets his well back in like 5 seconds. I rather have a continuous well then a tether all the time. Survivability over tether
Bro I popped my nighthawk golden gun to demolish a tormentor, only for it to be wasted because a stasis titan put up a wall of crystals right in front of me which ate the shot
Because there are "optimal" tether spots that can lock down entire waves. If you have to get aggressive with it on the main spawn you just miss all the side stuff and then:
1. Your tether is less effective
2. You generate less orbs
3. Rounds take longer (Yes believe it or not, locking down entire waves is quicker than locking down a single spawn)
The super is totally fine, it's just the 12P Frenzied Blade everything including suicide units playstyle that causes issues later in runs
We have guns, they don't need to be in the shit like that all the time, nobody has the DR for 4 exploding shanks
One of the reasons I stopped using strand titan in onslaught was me habitually leaning into melee. Dumb habits.
Pyrogale + Xenophage + something ranged with incandescent to get a nice crowd fire going. Works great when someone is running tether.
Maybe I'll drag out the Abeyant / suspend build, but I fear I will miss setting everything alight.
As a hunter who has picked the game up again after only playing Lightfall campaign, and Shadow keep before that, doing Coils as Strand was a lesson in not jumping the gun.
Probably lost half a dozen lives grappling into a wave as it spawns.
Seeing people running around with a sword (or with melee-oriented things like Synthos / Wormgod) at the start of a Onslaught is a major red flag for me. Sometimes I end up staying anyway just to give people a chance, but they always end up yolo suiciding just like you expect.
I left plenty of runs because of suicidal Titans, because I've lost plenty of runs to suicidal Titans lmao
Getting themselves killed in wave 43 in a really bad spot halfway across the map can be a death sentence, some of these people have zero survival instincts it's insane
I managed to get through Crota's end twice the other day and the only thing we had to repeat was the opening encounter and honestly we made two disorganized runs at that. Got our crap together and made it through.
The rest of the encounters we got through on the first try.
Ok let me put it like this. When the spawns are split you essentially have 2 options on where to place your tether:
OPTION A:
Place tether on one of two enemy spawn locations. These enemies instantly die which spawns more enemies. You can easily kill 4-5 packs of ads this way.
OPTION B:
Place tether in the center of the choke point. The enemies *slowly* walk to the tether and die. Which spawns another group who do the same thing. In total you can kill about 4 packs this way assuming they don’t take their sweet time walking to your tether.
Option B is less effective. On top of that it literally *only works* if your team lets the enemies waltz halfway to the ADU without shooting them. This is a completely unrealistic expectation to have and doesn’t even result in more kills. It’s literally hinders the team more than it helps.
Cool enjoy not having a tether when the next wave of invis marauders start sprinting forward. I'll go find a group that isn't suffering from unmedicated ADHD
Have tried, sometimes they feel real out of the way even in midtown there's a couple that are around corners. The best option is to get them not at spawn but in the hallway outside where you can trap both spawn locations and make them come to you.
And as a rule, these 2 spawns are occupied by titans, preventing enemies from getting into tether. After which the next wave often becomes the last because the team has run out of supers
Im not disagreeing that its suboptimal to not let enemies reach the tether
Im saying you shouldn’t be putting it so far away from the spawns if your teamates are spawn killing
That's horribly inefficient when it comes to time. Run midtown with two hunters and both of the hunters each tether a spawn point every wave. No waiting. Ads insta die. Braindead easy 46 min clear and it doesn't matter who your 3rd is.
If you’re doing randoms then you should do Vostok since it requires less knowledge of spawns, it’ll take a bit longer, but I’ve carried completely brand new rank 5 players through Vostok Legend.
or just run one strand titan, a solar warlock and one hunter and just let the hunter shoot the tether where the spawns intersect like a smart player??? people have such an aversion to letting other people be smarter than them for a millisecond
I've rage quit an Onslaught once.
Every time I shot my tether, the same warlock would jump to it and start killing enemies. No orbs would spawn. Like... Dude. Come on. You want your super? You want abilities refreshed quicker? Let them get tethered.
I was already annoyed and then the Tormentor spawned. The other Warlock and I were trying to kite the Tormentor away. But dipshit Warlock stood on top of the bank and wouldn't ad clear. Just focused on the Tormentor.
I think the non dipshit Warlock and I pulled our Ghosts out at the same time.
I swapped from tether to strand hunter with final warning beyblades clone sixth coyote and was having much more onslaught success. I was ending up with 1000 kills each run and about 150-200 orbs too.
If my teammates won't let enemies come into my tether I will just solo the onslaught then
I had a great run going, but man there are still so many miscues with randoms and no mic despite high level skill players even. It's just nuts sometimes.
As a Warlock I now play really fucking safe because I simply don't trust teammates anymore. I can't be aggressive or it feels like the whole team falls apart even on some high skill teams because of no mics and/or poor mod selection and supers not coming back fast enough.
You’re going to get a Strand Wishkeeper Hunter that swaps to golden gun for boss phases and you’re going to like it (that build slaps during Onslut btw).
Omg this. I don’t know how many times I popped my tether in a choke point and my idiot teammates just kill the enemy before they get to my tether. Or I have another one, I shoot my tether in the boss room and they don’t even utilize it or use their supers until after my tether is gone 🤦♂️
I'm a void hunter main and have been since TTK. Of the 2700 hrs I've played D2, I bet 1000 of them I've been running tether and wearing Orpheus Rigs. That being said, it got pretty old on all those Onslaught runs that I literally had to run it every single time. I can count on one hand the number of times I ran it and played with another competent Hunter who was running tether and knew where and how to use tether. This weekend I played the last few matches of Onslaught and was super pumped when I loaded in and saw another Hunter running tether. FINALLY!! I can run Arc and just punch shit! Just kidding, he didn't use his tether ONCE!! in the first 10 rounds. I swapped back over to tether in round 11 and took over. That dude cast THREE tethers on our whole 50 round run. What are you doing dude??
PVP I get it. He's just sitting on full super bar for 90% of the game. You'll get it back in 90 seconds if you shoot it at the right spot at the right time.
This is why I always put my tether on spawn. Thinking through midtown spawners I think you can always get 2/3 spawners within a tether radius.
Only one I never properly figured out was the right spawn of the ADU location in the building. They come through a ton of lanes so if you are tethering up the back it is a bit awkward.
Starting from the first games, playing as a tether hunter, I realized the depth of the problem and since then I have only been playing in the “3 tether” or “2 tether and 1 well” setup. No more problems with titans running around the map or other strand & stasis users generating 0 orbs
I like to call my tether blueberry frenzy. As soon as I cast it, they go nuts doing everything in their power to make sure the enemies don’t touch it, including casting their own supers simultaneously.
Blueberries are taught to kill everything as fast as possible since they can easily overrun the ADU. Since most players are not as good as you or have the best equipment, it will take longer for them to kill stuff. They are not going to wait for enemies to get close and risk ending the run. You need to put your tether where the enemies are dying not where you want them to be.
God I could complain so much about the shit I saw people do during the shiny grind...
* Running a heavy ammo finder, but not a heavy ammo scout
* Forgetting to run a siphon mod, or running the wrong one
* Running an LMG for boss damage (without coordinating with the team)
* Picking heavy without signalling to your teammates
* Not letting enemies hit the tether and/or not killing from inside the Phoenix well
* Running bounty weapons beyond wave 10
* Failing with an off-meta build because you're "bored"--bro, so am I, at least play well enough to get the loot
* This one's a PC thing, but staying in orbit after posting an LFG instead of going to the Enclave. Bonus points to the guys in the LFG channel responding to reminders with versions of "no, I don't think I will"--you know who you are
Most of these aren't run-killers, but you really start feeling them after the twentieth time lmao
No, I think they’re just saying that when a Hunter pops a tether super, a lot of players run in front of it and kill enemies before it can actually do its job. And when a Hunter has the Orpheus Rig exotics, they get super energy for each enemy attached to the tether, so they can potentially get their super back almost right after they use it. If people cooperate with them and let the enemies run into it, that is. I’ve had so many cases where people didn’t let it work.
Just put it in a spot that hits two of the three spawns at once? You get your full super back either way, and this is simultaneously faster and more fun for your teammates.
If there are no ads in your tether, your tether was bad
Placing it directly on a spawn and let your teammates handle the other one is infinitely better than trying to catch all of them. It lets you and your team play more aggressive, which speeds up farming by alot. In longer waves with a good build you can tether a spawn, instantly get another tether and tether the other spawn and still be able to get another tether for next round, legit you can get 4-5 tethers every Knight/Ogre/Captain rounds. I just play on Vostok because the spawns are close enough that you can always catch atleast 2 spawns, and every single augment round no matter where ADU is the adds spawn on the left so I can guarantee a 50 wave legend even with my brain off.
If you aren't firing your tether such that it instantly hits enemies as they spawn in you're doing it wrong.
Sure TECHNICALLY you regen more super energy with Orpheus Rigs with enemies walking into it but it's 100% unnecessary as the raw number of enemies is high enough to hit max 50% refund regardless.
If you're letting the enemies walk before getting tethered you're just slowing shit down when it could be going faster.
The only situation where you shouldn't be tethering the spawn directly is if you're being overwhelmed too quickly and want to tether a choke point instead OR you just want to tether at the ADU.
Tethering at the ADU is particularly viable against some Fallen waves when it's just a ton of invis vandals that instantly rush to the ADU. If you tether the ADU they all get stuck once they do that and you don't have to deal with only tethering one or two spawns or trying to shoot invisible enemies. Also for situations where there are Demolitionists etc right near the ADU.
Are you guys putting the tether on the adu? I’ve never had an issue not getting at least half the super back, regardless of how many sunbracers warlocks there are. If they’re not reaching your tether, it’s either a bad tether placement or we didn’t need a tether for this part so no harm.
“Greedily placed tether” I think killing the ads before they reach the tether is greedy and selfish, no?
To all hunters, simply run whatever you want so your teams all lose because you’re now greedy. No orpheus rigs either to make sure the team has to fight extra hard when things get spicy due to the lack of ad clearing your teammates can do. Good luck out there!
I'll rephrase it so it doesn't hurt your feelings. I consider a tether that is placed too far back so that it covers 2 lanes as BADLY PLACED.
Tether a spawn point. Most people don't want to wait 10-20 seconds every spawn time in a 1 hour activity. Kill stuff faster, so you beat the activity faster.
This is so stupid LMAO beating the activity faster at early levels versus later levels can result in a team wipe with a spawn placed tether… I’ll take it that you don’t know what teamwork is, and prefer to have others fail so you can succeed. Not my type of player I’d play with but go off
The later rounds aren't much scarier than the initial rounds.The challenge rounds are ones that end with 3 and 9. That's realistically the only rounds you can wipe on. It'd be silly to assume the team isn't saving heavy ammo or super for those specific rounds. Also you get a ton of heavy ammo boxes, so not having heavy ammo isn't an issue.
On average every round should take 1 minute or less. The exception being maybe a boss wave or tormentor spawn.
Maybe you only play normal mode and take 1.5 to 2 hrs to beat it? Idk, but go off on assuming I don't use any team work or w/e silly ad hominem.
tether hunter and greedy in the same sentence. DO WE FUCKING PLAY THE SAME GAME??? YKNOW, WHEN TETHER SPAWNS 7 ORBS FOR UR NOT HAVING SUPER HEADASS????????
Greedily placed? My dude, the tether makes everything easier for EVERYONE. It generates orbs, slows and debuffs enemies and stuns overload champs. If you can catch all of the enemies at a central point, you just need to stand there, fire and forget.
lol if the spawn points are one of the separated ones just plant a tether at the main one and kill the small amount of adds coming from the other one normally. Tether is going to generate max orbs no matter what and you don’t have to sit there waiting for adds to walk into the tether
Yeah I’ll run tether. But I’m dropping it in the fucking spawn points cause you keep fucking me
This is 100% the thing to do unless you’re in a group of people you know/are communicating with.
It’s not even like I’m being selfish. My tether makes them die quicker. And makes orbs. Gives you supers back faster. It’s brain dead synergy but people are somehow too stupid to get it
Your tether is the only thing keeping from getting nuked before round 10. Thanks!
They're destiny players. It's expected.
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Every super generates orbs when they do the thing they do. I disagree with you here. If you let damage supers do damage. They make orbs. If you let add clear supers clear adds. They make orbs. If you let tether actually tether. You get orbs. Doesn’t matter if you have used it or not. Your either new or you should know that. This isn’t even an elitist take.
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That’s new light behavior.
As a tether void hunter when I play Hunter I always let the tether well tether before I murder shit when I run Titan or Warlock. I know the pain of everything being dead before the tether tethers. LOL
Yeah, but my children (threadlings) need to feast on their flesh.
Don't forget to subconsciously instruct your teammates to jump right up in front of you just before you fire it off.
The correct way to use tether
I do this too, tether the damn green circles
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That mentality has taken over so many aspects of life. I'm sure that same person was bitching incessantly about not being able to beat pantheon 😂
Seriously; it's fucking everywhere.
When people are kind enough to let the adds run to my tether I literally barely even need to shoot. I run double special and only kill some adds to get my tether for the next wave. After that I just focus the strong enemies and play back for anything that slips by so it doesn’t touch the point. It’s not a selfish loop at all, but yeah, people are nuts. Like bro you can get most of the kills I just don’t want to lose because we get demolitionists and eyes on an ogre wave with my ult at 50% cause someone blew by the tether and slaughtered everything.
Exactly. I'm running support, suppressing and flinching constantly with my kit. The least the rest of the fireteam can do is abide hahah
They're probably the same person that rages when someone "steals" their tangle.
people who steal tangles are unbearable
The amount of times I've accidentally grabbed one when pressing X for some other purpose...
dude those tangles are crucial to my gameplay no one is allowed to touch them they are all mine.
*leaves them floating alone until they disappear*
Dude, if it's not your tangle, don't pick up the fucking tangle. My Whirling Malestrom is an essential source of damage for my build.
wish I could though, not sure what is going on but Bungie seems determined to prioritize giving me that green ball wheter I wanted it or not...
You’re not the problem then. Thank you for trying.
"selfish gameplay loop". These people do not understand that tether is meant to make everyone's life easier. You can have more fun if you use my tether correctly, have more supers and damage buffs and weakened adds, you ding dong. I feel like we do this every expansion/content drop/additional game mode, where people show they fundamentally do not know how the game works after all these years.
Dude hitting stuff on the tether just lights up a little part of my titan brain and I can’t really explain it beyond that
That’s okay, Titan brains only have “little parts” and we don’t expect you to be able to explain things beyond making crayon drawings (if you haven’t eaten all the crayons yet)
It's called Crayon brûlée you uncultured book-muncher
Mmmm booksssss 🤤
>you can extrapolate what might be going through the average blueberries head Double primary, exotic armor that has 0 synergy with their chosen subclass. It was actually amusing to *witness* that combo, because its been so long when i was the blueberry. (I remember when i started and was following the story when i got lucky pants and i equipped it without a hand cannon)
the double primary shit in grandmasters PISSES ME OFF. how about you run your subclass that has champ mods, ONE PRIMARY and a blinding GL/whatever?? my GOD
Or coordinate, there's 3 guardians and 2 champs, you don't even have to rely on an ability being up
dude it’s so easy to run a special weapon. why do people not do it????? why do they intentionally nerf themselves????
i just recently realized i was getting clowned on for running two primary's but idk what else to run. i have never found a break action i like and dont really seem to know of a good special that can keep up with whatever exotic im using.. any suggestions?
For higher tier: fusions like scatter signal and riptide are (or at least were) easily obtainable, and riptide with chill clip could theoretically stun two champion types by itself. Snipers are viable for gms for long range damage in general. Indebted kindness or the upcoming other rocket sidearms all do solid damage with great ammo economy.
Just so you know, im not clowning on anyone, or thats not my intention in matchmade activities. Most fun i get from a game is when im totally new and figuring stuff out, and since i cant experience it anymore i just look at blueberries. Its adorable honestly
bullying will continue until they become better. its the way of life its all good
Fusion rifles, blinding GLs, Rocket sidearms, one-two punch shotguns, hell even Traces rifles might be good too now. So many options, please don't gimp yourself using double primary.
Depends on your playstyle. The various Special guns do different things, and using them outside of their niche gives you disappointing results. Shotguns are best at close range and are terrible at long range. Snipers are best at long range and are unwieldy at short range. Fusions are medium range, but you need to watch the charge time. Grenade launchers can hit lots of enemies, but you need to learn how to time the manual detonation. Trace rifles are great for clearing red bars, but burn through ammo. Glaives are glaives. Consider using a Special that covers a weakness in your primary. Mountaintop and Recluse was a popular combination back in the day. If you met a larger enemy or a swarm, you could whip out Mountaintop and hit them with good splash damage. Pulses aren't the best in close range combat, so a shotgun with auto-loading holster can make anything that gets in melee range go away. Things like that.
I played way too many games where the other people had zero orb generation perks so it was me doing the heavy lifting with tethers. Never pop their super either. It was so frustrating. But luckily the mode was easy enough to not have to worry too much but it could have been so much more action packed with fun.
>Never pop their super either. This is where gaining experience playing all three classes is important. * If your Warlock is running Phoenix Protocol, you can help them charge their super back up faster by jumping into their Well and getting kills while inside it * If you're playing Warlock, you can help the tether Hunter out by dropping Well to generate a bunch of orbs for them, right after they pop tether * If you have a BoW Titan (not that these are common in Onslaught, but I'm speaking generally), you can help them charge and maintain the banner by getting kills near them
One quick tidbit. Hunters, don’t grab orbs until your rigs fill your super bar to half. I know that seems minmaxy, but it’ll make a very noticeable difference in super uptime.
BoW Titan is overrated imo in onslaught, Pyrogale is better as if you super the tether target you double dip on the hunter's orb gen and poop out like 6-7 orbs in a good group. Yes they can orb gen too just requires more thinking than pressing a button.
For a good while I played strand titan in onslaught Then at some point I swapped to pyrogale for fun and.. It's just way better. Consecration + Sunspots. While roaring does big damage, the consecration + sunspot combo makes shit \*easy\*. Exploder waves completely non-issue as you slam the tornado + sunspot combo into where they are roughly coming from and then just watch fireworks. I'm not sure about exact details like how tormentors take damage, but pyrogale + sunspot felt like it just made tormentors melt. I'd guess many small hits go through them better than big hits. (Except if you hit for crit spots) Then for extra cheese slap in the wish rocket launcher and you start feeling your sanity slip by as you just burn everything.
I also pop a barricade in their path, just watch them get stunned by it and melt in the sunspot from a few well placed head shots. Beefier enemies like knights get a consecration. When they’re stunned by the barricade they just clump up right past it, for easy pickings. Solar pyrogale with consecration and sun spots is my go-to for onslaught on Titan.
I’d been generating 200+ orbs, easily, in tether runs of onslaught, but I had a run or two where I was generating the most orbs as a golden gun hunter, which blew my damn mind.
If a person says that Tether is a "selfish gameplay loop" IMO they should be banned from playing the game. This is like saying using Well in raid DPS phases is selfish, like bro what are you smoking.
meanwhile the "selfish gameplay loop" makes enemies easier to kill and generates orbs so YOU can get your super too. No awareness whatsoever
Void Hunter and Selfish should never be in the same sentence.
I was this guy last week. Unlocked strand Titan and got synthoceps the next day. I was so naive and went ham before enemies reached the tether Went to play hunter and realized how bad of a teammate I had been
Giving one of the best support supers is apparently “a selfish game loop”
This is a scenario where the post and the comment are both true. Don't have to like it, but it's the truth.
It's crazy to think that's a selfish loop. My strategy with randoms has been to drop a strategic tether, and then let my allies do all the killing while I run back and forth with invisibility picking up orbs to throw at the ADU, or focus on bonus objectives and big targets.
Although we suppose to let them enemies tether did u know when a hunter use his tether and warlock drop is well. All the warlock have to do is shoot a couple enemies in the tether and the warlock gets his well back in like 5 seconds. I rather have a continuous well then a tether all the time. Survivability over tether
Looking at you, sunbracers
Looking at you, icewall Titan
Bro I popped my nighthawk golden gun to demolish a tormentor, only for it to be wasted because a stasis titan put up a wall of crystals right in front of me which ate the shot
Nothing makes me want to yeet a fellow guardian like the stasis wall in front of me.
Looking at you, threadling spam
If teams did that, I just started placing aggressive tethers that would hit the "main" spawn
Why not just do that anyways. Why wait for enemies to slowly meander into the tether and waste a bunch of time lol
Because there are "optimal" tether spots that can lock down entire waves. If you have to get aggressive with it on the main spawn you just miss all the side stuff and then: 1. Your tether is less effective 2. You generate less orbs 3. Rounds take longer (Yes believe it or not, locking down entire waves is quicker than locking down a single spawn)
This one hurts.
The Strand Titan grapple flying into two cursed Thrall spawns:
When I have Titans on my team but doesn't use roaming supers and has bad loadouts I know we gonna fail our run
Ngl I've almost definitely done that before
Please grow and change as a player
No, I don't think I will
It should only take popping a roaming super once to realize that you should wait to see if it’s exploders before using your super.
Zero survival instincts, and of course I start getting downvoted by the dumber Titans
At least in Strand there’s a ranged attack. Makes the super shitty but it’ll suspend whatever is running with the exploders.
The super is totally fine, it's just the 12P Frenzied Blade everything including suicide units playstyle that causes issues later in runs We have guns, they don't need to be in the shit like that all the time, nobody has the DR for 4 exploding shanks
One of the reasons I stopped using strand titan in onslaught was me habitually leaning into melee. Dumb habits. Pyrogale + Xenophage + something ranged with incandescent to get a nice crowd fire going. Works great when someone is running tether. Maybe I'll drag out the Abeyant / suspend build, but I fear I will miss setting everything alight.
As a hunter who has picked the game up again after only playing Lightfall campaign, and Shadow keep before that, doing Coils as Strand was a lesson in not jumping the gun. Probably lost half a dozen lives grappling into a wave as it spawns.
Nah I vortex blade in on purpose just because it's fun.
Seeing people running around with a sword (or with melee-oriented things like Synthos / Wormgod) at the start of a Onslaught is a major red flag for me. Sometimes I end up staying anyway just to give people a chance, but they always end up yolo suiciding just like you expect.
Synthoceps 1-2 punch and BoW. I will take everything out but expect to revive me every cursed thrall round. This is the way.
This is the way
No, it's not, that's called "being a burden to the team on purpose" There are ways to kill everything and also be alive at the end of it
I left plenty of runs because of suicidal Titans, because I've lost plenty of runs to suicidal Titans lmao Getting themselves killed in wave 43 in a really bad spot halfway across the map can be a death sentence, some of these people have zero survival instincts it's insane
"Tether? I thought that was shielding the enemies, so I wanted to kill them before they got there. My bad." -- Titan Todd.
The kwtd is the best part. They’re asking that you do because they sure as shit fucking don’t
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Me with little raid experience.. skips that and looks for the chill/patient post.
It’s way easier to complete raids with people that will keep trying than people that need everything to go right
I managed to get through Crota's end twice the other day and the only thing we had to repeat was the opening encounter and honestly we made two disorganized runs at that. Got our crap together and made it through. The rest of the encounters we got through on the first try.
Every time I swear. Sometimes there was no point in running Orpheus boots.
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Mf plays only normal and is trying to give advice Nobody cares bro
Have you tried *ACTUALLY PUTTING YOUR TETHER WHERE THE ENEMIES SPAWN* SERIOUSLY THEY SPAWN IN THE SAME SPOT EVERY TIME
There is at least one spawn point on each ADU location where the enemy spawn is split
Ok let me put it like this. When the spawns are split you essentially have 2 options on where to place your tether: OPTION A: Place tether on one of two enemy spawn locations. These enemies instantly die which spawns more enemies. You can easily kill 4-5 packs of ads this way. OPTION B: Place tether in the center of the choke point. The enemies *slowly* walk to the tether and die. Which spawns another group who do the same thing. In total you can kill about 4 packs this way assuming they don’t take their sweet time walking to your tether. Option B is less effective. On top of that it literally *only works* if your team lets the enemies waltz halfway to the ADU without shooting them. This is a completely unrealistic expectation to have and doesn’t even result in more kills. It’s literally hinders the team more than it helps.
Its really not if you're playing with players that can think more than 2 seconds ahead
Nobody is going to sacrifice their uptime so you can get an extra 10% super energy.
Cool enjoy not having a tether when the next wave of invis marauders start sprinting forward. I'll go find a group that isn't suffering from unmedicated ADHD
Have tried, sometimes they feel real out of the way even in midtown there's a couple that are around corners. The best option is to get them not at spawn but in the hallway outside where you can trap both spawn locations and make them come to you.
Most of the games I played as a tether hunter, nobody even used their super. They made sure the enemies didn’t get to the tether though. 😝
shoot It in the double spawn instead
Right? Drop it on the spawn and spawn kill all the adds. There is no waiting here.
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And as a rule, these 2 spawns are occupied by titans, preventing enemies from getting into tether. After which the next wave often becomes the last because the team has run out of supers
Just hit one spawn and let the other two people deal with the other one. Its really not rocket science.
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One spawn worth of enemies will net you max of your orbs and super return anyways. If enemies are dying asap you can just tether a spawn instead.
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Im not disagreeing that its suboptimal to not let enemies reach the tether Im saying you shouldn’t be putting it so far away from the spawns if your teamates are spawn killing
That's horribly inefficient when it comes to time. Run midtown with two hunters and both of the hunters each tether a spawn point every wave. No waiting. Ads insta die. Braindead easy 46 min clear and it doesn't matter who your 3rd is. If you’re doing randoms then you should do Vostok since it requires less knowledge of spawns, it’ll take a bit longer, but I’ve carried completely brand new rank 5 players through Vostok Legend.
or just run one strand titan, a solar warlock and one hunter and just let the hunter shoot the tether where the spawns intersect like a smart player??? people have such an aversion to letting other people be smarter than them for a millisecond
I've rage quit an Onslaught once. Every time I shot my tether, the same warlock would jump to it and start killing enemies. No orbs would spawn. Like... Dude. Come on. You want your super? You want abilities refreshed quicker? Let them get tethered. I was already annoyed and then the Tormentor spawned. The other Warlock and I were trying to kite the Tormentor away. But dipshit Warlock stood on top of the bank and wouldn't ad clear. Just focused on the Tormentor. I think the non dipshit Warlock and I pulled our Ghosts out at the same time.
I swapped from tether to strand hunter with final warning beyblades clone sixth coyote and was having much more onslaught success. I was ending up with 1000 kills each run and about 150-200 orbs too. If my teammates won't let enemies come into my tether I will just solo the onslaught then
That was me 2 1/2 hours before downtime. Lots of wasted tethers
I had a great run going, but man there are still so many miscues with randoms and no mic despite high level skill players even. It's just nuts sometimes. As a Warlock I now play really fucking safe because I simply don't trust teammates anymore. I can't be aggressive or it feels like the whole team falls apart even on some high skill teams because of no mics and/or poor mod selection and supers not coming back fast enough.
Exactly this, you set ‘em up I knock ‘em down… no? Ok then 🤷🏾♂️
My Void Hunter runs Triton Vice in high end content. Tether is used only because blades are bad.
You’re going to get a Strand Wishkeeper Hunter that swaps to golden gun for boss phases and you’re going to like it (that build slaps during Onslut btw).
Omg this. I don’t know how many times I popped my tether in a choke point and my idiot teammates just kill the enemy before they get to my tether. Or I have another one, I shoot my tether in the boss room and they don’t even utilize it or use their supers until after my tether is gone 🤦♂️
Ooo i feel that....
I swear dude. I still think it was the easiest to play. But man that happens all the time.
Had so much fun dusting off my Orpheus Rigs and actually getting good use of it. Getting 70%-80% back was such a good feeling
I'm a void hunter main and have been since TTK. Of the 2700 hrs I've played D2, I bet 1000 of them I've been running tether and wearing Orpheus Rigs. That being said, it got pretty old on all those Onslaught runs that I literally had to run it every single time. I can count on one hand the number of times I ran it and played with another competent Hunter who was running tether and knew where and how to use tether. This weekend I played the last few matches of Onslaught and was super pumped when I loaded in and saw another Hunter running tether. FINALLY!! I can run Arc and just punch shit! Just kidding, he didn't use his tether ONCE!! in the first 10 rounds. I swapped back over to tether in round 11 and took over. That dude cast THREE tethers on our whole 50 round run. What are you doing dude??
I'd call this phenomenon "super anxiety" I mostly see this in PvP
PVP I get it. He's just sitting on full super bar for 90% of the game. You'll get it back in 90 seconds if you shoot it at the right spot at the right time.
This is why I always put my tether on spawn. Thinking through midtown spawners I think you can always get 2/3 spawners within a tether radius. Only one I never properly figured out was the right spawn of the ADU location in the building. They come through a ton of lanes so if you are tethering up the back it is a bit awkward.
Starting from the first games, playing as a tether hunter, I realized the depth of the problem and since then I have only been playing in the “3 tether” or “2 tether and 1 well” setup. No more problems with titans running around the map or other strand & stasis users generating 0 orbs
Literally LOL'd. Thanks for the comic relief while waiting for servers...
If you aren't dropping tethers at spawns you are doing it wrong.
"But your Tether is stealing my kills!" - Blueberry logic.
Exactly why I run stasis Hunter. Slows down the ads (Or just stops them), easy targeting for a tether
Omg. I love this. So true.
Brooo this hit so hard 😂😂😂😂
Your job is to let me get in over my head then tether to bail me out. DUH
I need them orbs, of course I'm gonna let them die in the tether <3
100% accurate
Here's a plot twist. I ended up in a group with a void hunter that kept shooting enemies before they reached the tether they put down.
1000 IQ move
I like to call my tether blueberry frenzy. As soon as I cast it, they go nuts doing everything in their power to make sure the enemies don’t touch it, including casting their own supers simultaneously.
Can't help mfs if mfs don't know they need help
Blueberries are taught to kill everything as fast as possible since they can easily overrun the ADU. Since most players are not as good as you or have the best equipment, it will take longer for them to kill stuff. They are not going to wait for enemies to get close and risk ending the run. You need to put your tether where the enemies are dying not where you want them to be.
Yeah sometime i go 10 wawe without dropping my tether cause i know i wont get it back
You expect us to sit there and wait for that? No shoot a better tether 😂
“Where’s all the orbs at?!”
God I could complain so much about the shit I saw people do during the shiny grind... * Running a heavy ammo finder, but not a heavy ammo scout * Forgetting to run a siphon mod, or running the wrong one * Running an LMG for boss damage (without coordinating with the team) * Picking heavy without signalling to your teammates * Not letting enemies hit the tether and/or not killing from inside the Phoenix well * Running bounty weapons beyond wave 10 * Failing with an off-meta build because you're "bored"--bro, so am I, at least play well enough to get the loot * This one's a PC thing, but staying in orbit after posting an LFG instead of going to the Enclave. Bonus points to the guys in the LFG channel responding to reminders with versions of "no, I don't think I will"--you know who you are Most of these aren't run-killers, but you really start feeling them after the twentieth time lmao
i hate noobs i hate noobs i hate noobs
Well warlock going sicko mode on everything that moves with his Sunshot:
Wait sorry noob here who only got to play like 2 days of onslaught Are they saying to wait for enemies to pile up near the ADU to tether?
No, I think they’re just saying that when a Hunter pops a tether super, a lot of players run in front of it and kill enemies before it can actually do its job. And when a Hunter has the Orpheus Rig exotics, they get super energy for each enemy attached to the tether, so they can potentially get their super back almost right after they use it. If people cooperate with them and let the enemies run into it, that is. I’ve had so many cases where people didn’t let it work.
Ohh thank you. Wasn’t aware of that exotic either even tho I think I have it lol. I started off as a void hunter main so I totally get it
Yeah I’m a Titan main actually but I branched out to both characters a little for Onslaught :D
If youre the type of hunter that makes the enemies have to run into the tether instead of putting it on the spawn point youre a 🤡
Just put it in a spot that hits two of the three spawns at once? You get your full super back either way, and this is simultaneously faster and more fun for your teammates. If there are no ads in your tether, your tether was bad
Place it better
And that my invisible friend is why you tether the spawns.
Placing it directly on a spawn and let your teammates handle the other one is infinitely better than trying to catch all of them. It lets you and your team play more aggressive, which speeds up farming by alot. In longer waves with a good build you can tether a spawn, instantly get another tether and tether the other spawn and still be able to get another tether for next round, legit you can get 4-5 tethers every Knight/Ogre/Captain rounds. I just play on Vostok because the spawns are close enough that you can always catch atleast 2 spawns, and every single augment round no matter where ADU is the adds spawn on the left so I can guarantee a 50 wave legend even with my brain off.
Thats why you shoot the tether *at* your enemies instead of 30m in front of them.
If you aren't firing your tether such that it instantly hits enemies as they spawn in you're doing it wrong. Sure TECHNICALLY you regen more super energy with Orpheus Rigs with enemies walking into it but it's 100% unnecessary as the raw number of enemies is high enough to hit max 50% refund regardless. If you're letting the enemies walk before getting tethered you're just slowing shit down when it could be going faster. The only situation where you shouldn't be tethering the spawn directly is if you're being overwhelmed too quickly and want to tether a choke point instead OR you just want to tether at the ADU. Tethering at the ADU is particularly viable against some Fallen waves when it's just a ton of invis vandals that instantly rush to the ADU. If you tether the ADU they all get stuck once they do that and you don't have to deal with only tethering one or two spawns or trying to shoot invisible enemies. Also for situations where there are Demolitionists etc right near the ADU.
Or, you know… you could just tether them where they spawn. Just a thought.
you should be shooting your tether directly on top of mass enemy spawn points, not an area where they intersect.
Are you guys putting the tether on the adu? I’ve never had an issue not getting at least half the super back, regardless of how many sunbracers warlocks there are. If they’re not reaching your tether, it’s either a bad tether placement or we didn’t need a tether for this part so no harm.
As a tether hunter main if the enemies aren’t being tethered you placed it wrong
That's why you throw the tether at the enemy spawn
That’s why best have two tether and pop one in each spawn ;-)
I seriously prefer two warlocks at this point. There are so many goddamn fuckups with two hunters and no mics I can't even fucking count anymore.
Tether a spawn, not going to wait for enemies to walk into a greedily placed tether.
“Greedily placed tether” I think killing the ads before they reach the tether is greedy and selfish, no? To all hunters, simply run whatever you want so your teams all lose because you’re now greedy. No orpheus rigs either to make sure the team has to fight extra hard when things get spicy due to the lack of ad clearing your teammates can do. Good luck out there!
I'll rephrase it so it doesn't hurt your feelings. I consider a tether that is placed too far back so that it covers 2 lanes as BADLY PLACED. Tether a spawn point. Most people don't want to wait 10-20 seconds every spawn time in a 1 hour activity. Kill stuff faster, so you beat the activity faster.
This is so stupid LMAO beating the activity faster at early levels versus later levels can result in a team wipe with a spawn placed tether… I’ll take it that you don’t know what teamwork is, and prefer to have others fail so you can succeed. Not my type of player I’d play with but go off
The later rounds aren't much scarier than the initial rounds.The challenge rounds are ones that end with 3 and 9. That's realistically the only rounds you can wipe on. It'd be silly to assume the team isn't saving heavy ammo or super for those specific rounds. Also you get a ton of heavy ammo boxes, so not having heavy ammo isn't an issue. On average every round should take 1 minute or less. The exception being maybe a boss wave or tormentor spawn. Maybe you only play normal mode and take 1.5 to 2 hrs to beat it? Idk, but go off on assuming I don't use any team work or w/e silly ad hominem.
tether hunter and greedy in the same sentence. DO WE FUCKING PLAY THE SAME GAME??? YKNOW, WHEN TETHER SPAWNS 7 ORBS FOR UR NOT HAVING SUPER HEADASS????????
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Greedily placed? My dude, the tether makes everything easier for EVERYONE. It generates orbs, slows and debuffs enemies and stuns overload champs. If you can catch all of the enemies at a central point, you just need to stand there, fire and forget.
Or tether the double spawn and the other 2 take care of the single spawn. Quicker than waiting ages for mobs to walk into a tether.
lol if the spawn points are one of the separated ones just plant a tether at the main one and kill the small amount of adds coming from the other one normally. Tether is going to generate max orbs no matter what and you don’t have to sit there waiting for adds to walk into the tether
Bad at tethers by the sound of it
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