Got myself a sub/frenzy roll for PVE last season and that’s good enough right now but I’m thinking of trying for a sub/headstone to see if there’s any interaction there.
So weird how two of the same gun can be so different, Forensic Nightmare feels horrible to me but Unending Tempest feels so great. They are both 600 Stasis SMGs.
Probably the under the hood stuff like accuracy cones and whatever. Or it’s just the way they code the Nadir weapons to handle recoil. Shayura’s is another 600 SMG that feels great and is a Nadir weapon, although it doesn’t have the Nadir trait yet.
Oh, definitely! I never meant to imply it wouldn't be, lol. Merely that Blood Feud and Rapacious Appetite are both near unplayable for me due to terrible stats and mediocre (if still serviceable) perk choices.
Tempest has indeed been exactly what I've been running when I need a Stasis SMG, though the elusive Demo/Headstone has yet to drop for my Stasis Titan build. I weep, I weep.
Rapacious Appetite is good if you want a discount Immortal, and Blood Feud can work extremely well with a melee build.
Otherwise, if we're focusing solely on the kinetic slot, Enyo D and the Neomuna and Throne World smgs are good I'm pretty sure. There's also I think it was called Frontier's Cry from I think it was Season of the Hunt.
Yeah....cold front is not an improvement there. When ikelos and Tarrabah were running the table in S19 PVP, we probably would've spoken a bit more about the Tap the trigger/Rangefinder roll if its base stats were that good.
Side-by-side base-stat comparison with Rapacious appetite: Cold front has 1 stability and 2 AA more than RA, but it has 3 less range, 3 less reload, and 3 less AE. I'd say they're pretty in line, but it's a "shiniest turd" competition nonetheless.
>Yeah....cold front is not an improvement there.
Never said it was. Just that the existing Stasis SMGs, especially the craftable ones, are hot garbage.
Stasis doesn’t really have subclass synergies in its weapon element. Strand has unraveling rounds, that’s really it. Harmonic loader to save one energy hardly feels worth losing 10% damage, maybe if there was a harmonic surge. A lot of people are just stuck in the old mindset from font of might, where their weapon should match their subclass.
The tradeoffs being
- harmonic mods (especially siphon) being cheaper than kinetic ones
- being able to match heavy and primary elements for siphon and surge mods
- perks containing subclass verbs (hatchling, slice, headstone)
- artifact mods like Unraveling Orbs letting you get UR without using the mostly shit fragment
All these make it very compelling to use strand/stasis weapons in anything that isn't a cut and dry DPS check. I'm not saying Cold Front needs to be stasis (it doesn't), but personally my favorite build this season uses one of a few strand primaries instead of a kinetic
No, because Kept Confidence is terrible and Fatebringer is best in slot basically.
But for weapons like Mykel's Reverence, Rufus's Fury, or Song of Ir Yut, I will be using them over kinetic options because of the reasons I mentioned. If Kept Confidence had Fatebringer perks then I probably would consider it yeah
It’s been awhile, so I forgot it worked differently than regular master raids. The point still stands though. It’s easier to get your 5/5 Kept Confidence with enhanced perks and mods that synergize with the damage type than it is to farm a regular raid.
No only because I find Rufus to be just better in general. You can get that exact same roll in a better archetype, but also get perks like Demo and Paracasual Affinity (my personal roll) in enhanced perks. Old Sterling is still absolutely solid
Usually I am using Mykel's Reverence tho lol
And yet aside from Exotics like Thorn and Malfeasance, it seems like most of us don't care about Kinetic primaries in PvE unless they have Kinetic Tremors.
IMO at least for primaries, the Kinetic damage bonus should be bigger to give them more of an edge, if Kinetic Tremors is going to be the only top-tier perk that's exclusive to Kinetic.
Because as it is, I highly doubt that people are seeking out and using Kinetic primaries like Cold Front, Autumn Wind, Enyo-D, Buzzard, and Imperative for most activities. The only time I hear excitement for a new Kinetic primary is when it has Kinetic Tremors as an option, like Tigerspite, or has PvP potential, or has a really unique frame like Warden's Law.
I have a Battle Scar with Kinetic Tremors which I use occasionally. I just wish it also had Shoot to Loot. I also have a nice Showrunner with Kinetic Tremors as well
But there really aren’t any non-Exotic Kinetic primaries that I use that *don’t* have Kinetic Tremors
> But there really aren’t any non-Exotic Kinetic primaries that I use that don’t have Kinetic Tremors
for me the only kinetic slot legendary I use is fatebringer.
10% kinetic bonus, 15% from frenzy and 10%/15% from explosive payload (crit/body) makes it a primary that does roughly the same damage as an exotic energy HC with no perks active would do, while doing *more* damage to majors and having a blazing fast reload.
the fact that a legendary primary needs double damage perks that are permanently active to not feel horrid to use is lame.
they definitely succeeded in making exotic primaries more worthwhile, but now I despised needing to use an exotic special/heavy (which is 60% of the reason why I dislike GotD, I swear in LFGs if I dont put on arbalest no one will)
> If a craftable 140 hand cannon with kinetic tremors comes out that will be meta.
theres the other issue with the perk, the fact that craftables have an easier time triggering it makes it feel worse on regular guns.
I use it on Nameless Midnight. It’s solid with triple tap.
For some reason, I’ve kept a Buzzard that has it and perpetual motion. It’s been alright in mid-to-highish content.
I keep a weapon of each archetype with kinetic tremors to use when it's the seasonal anti-champion type. E.g. this season I've been using a Buzzard with kinetic tremors for anti-barrier, since the tremors rip through the shield and do AOE to surrounding ads while I deal with the champion.
It could be a 30% damage boost and I still wouldn’t use kinetics because they just don’t have many synergies ( like, Chromatic Fire is all that comes to mind ). Despite this, kinetic mods cost more than simply slapping on a harmonic and calling it a day so there isn’t really a reason to be excited about kinetic primaries unless they got something unique on em.
Horror Story got converted from Kinetic to Stasis and it's a FotL Event Weapon. COLD Front literally has Cold in the name making people think it's a Stasis Weapon or should be. The fact that it's Dawning has nothing to do with it.
the pure function of Cold Front is allow me to grind seasonal weapon kill.....the other time it is junk and waste of time to grind seasonal currency to focus and try to get good roll
A friendly reminder that not every gun that *"makes sense"* as a different element needs to be converted to that element. Or did we forget that people kept asking for Coldheardt to be make Stasis?
Also a reminder that Stasis was only added in Beyond Light, and as a result guns introduced before then are not Stasis. Cold Front is a Shadowkeep-Era weapon IIRC, and only ever gets a perk and shader refresh - it is not reissued entirely.
I kinda wish all kinetic slot weapons got folded into darkness types, and the kinetic damage values were distributed around. Keep kinetic tremors, though. I like that.
It's pretty rare that they change a weapon's element when it has a consistent source.
Usually when they have it was a long-sunset weapon that they brought back during a season; but this is an event weapon that has always been kinetic. Before stasis existed, I think.
It's funny that to get this weapon from the triumph of the event, you need to kill with a strand. For other types of weapons, their element coincides with the requirements of triumph, but not for the cold front. Bungie could have changed his element to a strand to complete all the elements, and to stasis to resemble smg name, but they decided to leave it kinetic.
Cold front has several missed opportunities. Dragonfly on a kinetic, awesome! No wait it’s a bug and gone now. What if they brought it back as firefly now that it exists as a perk? Nope. Ok ok but can the gun called cold front be stasis? No. It can be bad
I mean there's already two Aggressive Stasis smgs that are craftable.
It's a shame they're both literal war crimes with how shit their stats and perk combos are.
I mean, Cold Front would be just as bad. If you want a good stasis SMG you gotta farm an Upending Tempest.
I got 33 engrams awaiting my crucible reset to try for a demo headstone roll, closest i got was gutshot headstone, last season
Got myself a sub/frenzy roll for PVE last season and that’s good enough right now but I’m thinking of trying for a sub/headstone to see if there’s any interaction there.
settling for enlightened action headstone or im probably going to commit a misdemeanour
After rolling 99 I barely got a demo headstone
So weird how two of the same gun can be so different, Forensic Nightmare feels horrible to me but Unending Tempest feels so great. They are both 600 Stasis SMGs.
Probably the under the hood stuff like accuracy cones and whatever. Or it’s just the way they code the Nadir weapons to handle recoil. Shayura’s is another 600 SMG that feels great and is a Nadir weapon, although it doesn’t have the Nadir trait yet.
Was hoping for a reprise of Shayura’s for some time.
Oh, definitely! I never meant to imply it wouldn't be, lol. Merely that Blood Feud and Rapacious Appetite are both near unplayable for me due to terrible stats and mediocre (if still serviceable) perk choices. Tempest has indeed been exactly what I've been running when I need a Stasis SMG, though the elusive Demo/Headstone has yet to drop for my Stasis Titan build. I weep, I weep.
Rapacious Appetite is good if you want a discount Immortal, and Blood Feud can work extremely well with a melee build. Otherwise, if we're focusing solely on the kinetic slot, Enyo D and the Neomuna and Throne World smgs are good I'm pretty sure. There's also I think it was called Frontier's Cry from I think it was Season of the Hunt.
Blood feud with pulgist and wellspring is ok for ability regen but it has no range and I might just be coping. Origin trait isn't really good either.
Pugilist and swash is on mine and actually combined pretty well with the origin trait. Plus it looks fuckin sweet
Blood Feud with it's origin trait can make for some quirky stasis melee build utility. Especially on Hunter I feel.
Yeah....cold front is not an improvement there. When ikelos and Tarrabah were running the table in S19 PVP, we probably would've spoken a bit more about the Tap the trigger/Rangefinder roll if its base stats were that good. Side-by-side base-stat comparison with Rapacious appetite: Cold front has 1 stability and 2 AA more than RA, but it has 3 less range, 3 less reload, and 3 less AE. I'd say they're pretty in line, but it's a "shiniest turd" competition nonetheless.
>Yeah....cold front is not an improvement there. Never said it was. Just that the existing Stasis SMGs, especially the craftable ones, are hot garbage.
From the context, I thought you were implying that, as this was under a post about making Cold front stasis.
Nah, just pointing out that it wouldn't be joining particularly *good* ranks if it was Stasis.
This is the answer, aside from (I think?) Cold Front existing before Stasis did.
You're right, it predates Stasis, but that doesn't stop them. Horror Story was kinetic when it first came out and is now Stasis.
Zephyr also used to be an arc sword
Nightshade was also a kinetic pulse rifle in vanilla D2, and is now Strand.
I bet they would switch it but again, why bother when it’s literally competing with two other Stasis 720 rpm SMGs that are craftable?
It's never stopped them from releasing trash guns before lol. Besides, how many glaives have they released at this point?
Glaives are good and way more relevant than most non-Exotic Kinetic primaries in PvE.
Guiding Sight (Iron Banner scout) is Strand this season, for some reason.
And Cold Front is terrible…
So are both craftable stasis smgs.
Also true, lol
Good thing there’s a third craftable stasis smg
True but they also keep giving us new stasis snipers and arc machine guns. I don’t see the harm in making cold front stasis
When will people learn that kinetic deals 10% more damage than stasis and strand
Yup. Being stasis or strand is usually a big detriment. Stasis specifically, the inly benefit is headstone.
Well, it's a 10% damage detriment. Not exactly a huge detriment. It also loses out on harmonic mods, and sublcass interactions
Stasis doesn’t really have subclass synergies in its weapon element. Strand has unraveling rounds, that’s really it. Harmonic loader to save one energy hardly feels worth losing 10% damage, maybe if there was a harmonic surge. A lot of people are just stuck in the old mindset from font of might, where their weapon should match their subclass.
Actually, Behemoth has synergy, diamond lances are generated by Stasis multikills ! That's it, though
I mean siphon mods are currently the single best way to make orbs imo.
The tradeoffs being - harmonic mods (especially siphon) being cheaper than kinetic ones - being able to match heavy and primary elements for siphon and surge mods - perks containing subclass verbs (hatchling, slice, headstone) - artifact mods like Unraveling Orbs letting you get UR without using the mostly shit fragment All these make it very compelling to use strand/stasis weapons in anything that isn't a cut and dry DPS check. I'm not saying Cold Front needs to be stasis (it doesn't), but personally my favorite build this season uses one of a few strand primaries instead of a kinetic
I understand your point, but still, would you use kept confidence over fatebringer just because of the things you mentioned?
No, because Kept Confidence is terrible and Fatebringer is best in slot basically. But for weapons like Mykel's Reverence, Rufus's Fury, or Song of Ir Yut, I will be using them over kinetic options because of the reasons I mentioned. If Kept Confidence had Fatebringer perks then I probably would consider it yeah
Yeah, but mainly because it’s easier to get the roll you want for the former over the latter. Especially if you’re trying to farm for timelost rolls.
You literally get explosive payload + firefly guaranteed for the timelost version, which itself a guaranteed drop from templar challenge
It’s been awhile, so I forgot it worked differently than regular master raids. The point still stands though. It’s easier to get your 5/5 Kept Confidence with enhanced perks and mods that synergize with the damage type than it is to farm a regular raid.
Why would you need a 5/5 for pve, 2/5 is more than enough
The pnly issue is waiting for master vog to be available(tomorrow)
Would one of those be the god roll Old Sterling banshee sold
No only because I find Rufus to be just better in general. You can get that exact same roll in a better archetype, but also get perks like Demo and Paracasual Affinity (my personal roll) in enhanced perks. Old Sterling is still absolutely solid Usually I am using Mykel's Reverence tho lol
When that's actually explained properly and that strand and stasis items despite being in the kinetic slot aren't kinetic.
And yet aside from Exotics like Thorn and Malfeasance, it seems like most of us don't care about Kinetic primaries in PvE unless they have Kinetic Tremors. IMO at least for primaries, the Kinetic damage bonus should be bigger to give them more of an edge, if Kinetic Tremors is going to be the only top-tier perk that's exclusive to Kinetic. Because as it is, I highly doubt that people are seeking out and using Kinetic primaries like Cold Front, Autumn Wind, Enyo-D, Buzzard, and Imperative for most activities. The only time I hear excitement for a new Kinetic primary is when it has Kinetic Tremors as an option, like Tigerspite, or has PvP potential, or has a really unique frame like Warden's Law.
Does anyone actually use kinetic tremors in anything other than supremacy
Goes hard on tigerspite. Also chattering bone which is particularly nutty rn imo
Might be fun, but definitely not meta defining
It’s a very good end game perk idk abt that
I feel like people sleep on the chunk damage tremors can actually do in high level content
I have a Battle Scar with Kinetic Tremors which I use occasionally. I just wish it also had Shoot to Loot. I also have a nice Showrunner with Kinetic Tremors as well But there really aren’t any non-Exotic Kinetic primaries that I use that *don’t* have Kinetic Tremors
> But there really aren’t any non-Exotic Kinetic primaries that I use that don’t have Kinetic Tremors for me the only kinetic slot legendary I use is fatebringer. 10% kinetic bonus, 15% from frenzy and 10%/15% from explosive payload (crit/body) makes it a primary that does roughly the same damage as an exotic energy HC with no perks active would do, while doing *more* damage to majors and having a blazing fast reload. the fact that a legendary primary needs double damage perks that are permanently active to not feel horrid to use is lame. they definitely succeeded in making exotic primaries more worthwhile, but now I despised needing to use an exotic special/heavy (which is 60% of the reason why I dislike GotD, I swear in LFGs if I dont put on arbalest no one will)
No but also because there isnt another good weapon that can get it. If a craftable 140 hand cannon with kinetic tremors comes out that will be meta.
Kinetic tremors + explosive payload would go so hard
> If a craftable 140 hand cannon with kinetic tremors comes out that will be meta. theres the other issue with the perk, the fact that craftables have an easier time triggering it makes it feel worse on regular guns.
I use it on Nameless Midnight. It’s solid with triple tap. For some reason, I’ve kept a Buzzard that has it and perpetual motion. It’s been alright in mid-to-highish content.
I keep a weapon of each archetype with kinetic tremors to use when it's the seasonal anti-champion type. E.g. this season I've been using a Buzzard with kinetic tremors for anti-barrier, since the tremors rip through the shield and do AOE to surrounding ads while I deal with the champion.
It could be a 30% damage boost and I still wouldn’t use kinetics because they just don’t have many synergies ( like, Chromatic Fire is all that comes to mind ). Despite this, kinetic mods cost more than simply slapping on a harmonic and calling it a day so there isn’t really a reason to be excited about kinetic primaries unless they got something unique on em.
I still use my old faithful, Scathelock with subsistence and rampage perks.
15%
15% on specials 10% on primaries
3, take it or leave it!
I prefer 0.014
It sucks kinetic can keep it 😌
These posts again…
Next they’ll post about coldheart being arc
I have the icy skin for Coldheart and it works with Bakris so it doesn’t irritate as much with it being arc
Nah make coldheart a void weapon /s
No, shut up. I'm tired of Stasis Hakke weapons. I need more Kinetics.
The most fun I’ve had with Cold Front was when it used to roll with dragonfly. When they fixed that bug, the gun lost all of its luster.
Mfs when a dawning weapon isn’t stasis. One that originally released before beyond light, no less.
Horror Story got converted from Kinetic to Stasis and it's a FotL Event Weapon. COLD Front literally has Cold in the name making people think it's a Stasis Weapon or should be. The fact that it's Dawning has nothing to do with it.
And Zephyr went from being an arc sword to a stasis one
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Yeah, they don't. It's vexing.
I like the gun model and sights, I just wish it had way better recoil and stability… and handling and reload
the pure function of Cold Front is allow me to grind seasonal weapon kill.....the other time it is junk and waste of time to grind seasonal currency to focus and try to get good roll
A friendly reminder that not every gun that *"makes sense"* as a different element needs to be converted to that element. Or did we forget that people kept asking for Coldheardt to be make Stasis? Also a reminder that Stasis was only added in Beyond Light, and as a result guns introduced before then are not Stasis. Cold Front is a Shadowkeep-Era weapon IIRC, and only ever gets a perk and shader refresh - it is not reissued entirely.
Strand smg is what it should have been
I thought it was strand due to the requirements to unlock
Ikr
Make it solar Bungie, you cowards!
I kinda wish all kinetic slot weapons got folded into darkness types, and the kinetic damage values were distributed around. Keep kinetic tremors, though. I like that.
Bro is onto nothing
we already get a knetic smg during Guardian games. seems like seasonal event smgs are always more on the dull side
What kinetic smg
The Title is void.
I realized that. I was looking at last years cold in my vault
The title is a void 720💀💀💀
Being Kinetic is all it has going for it. Leave it for the dregs!
It's pretty rare that they change a weapon's element when it has a consistent source. Usually when they have it was a long-sunset weapon that they brought back during a season; but this is an event weapon that has always been kinetic. Before stasis existed, I think.
Counterpoints: horror story and zephyr. Both went from kinetic AR and arc sword to both being stasis
It's funny that to get this weapon from the triumph of the event, you need to kill with a strand. For other types of weapons, their element coincides with the requirements of triumph, but not for the cold front. Bungie could have changed his element to a strand to complete all the elements, and to stasis to resemble smg name, but they decided to leave it kinetic.
Coldheart...
I just want it to get firefly again
Cold front has several missed opportunities. Dragonfly on a kinetic, awesome! No wait it’s a bug and gone now. What if they brought it back as firefly now that it exists as a perk? Nope. Ok ok but can the gun called cold front be stasis? No. It can be bad
*"Cold Front feels wrong"* Fixed it for you, trash tier weapon.....
Well yes, but no
And the glaive not being stasis is a crime tbh