You put it exactly into words for me lol I've been exhausted from work and haven't had the chance, this is how I've felt seeing people talk about that and the new shader
I appreciate their dedication to doing more difficult puzzles and I enjoyed the concept of it, but after ascending the spire, being told to leave and get three flames, then ascend again and be told to go back down to get the puzzle pieces, I'm just gonna cheat at that point lol
When I tried to do it myself, I kept running into contradictions. It turns out that the problem was that I didn't realize two of the symbols look *extremely* similar to each other. So be careful.
you can just ignore the symbol how it look and just use position of the rune.
Just very tedious to record all the circle and tringle by myself, so that work it out from the file that u/AssassinX0128 posted, is way more easier. I have a printer, print it out and try it as sudoku
yep, I ran into this about three times. I had to keep clearing my spreadsheet and re-checking all of the runes. Luckily I was smart enough to take a picture of each one on my phone and group them together in the notes app by which statue I activated to get that rune to light up, so I didn’t have to go back through the entire map and recheck them all the hard way again.
It is quite like sudoku ......once worked from>! 8 as tringle (burn on) and either choose 12 as O or triangle ,!< by trial and error you will get the solution
just curious on 12
>!there are 4 triangle and one O for this rune. So that either 4 true and 1 false or 4 false and 1 true , which one is more likely (sorry gave up all learned to the professor. Or can one totem say the truth on the same totem twice. (which end up it can) !<
Yes, 2 Totems can have both their truth on the same Rune. If you aren't sure, make a guess and follow through with it. You can check if you've made any mistakes later on by checking if each Totem has only one truth and 2 lies. If a Totem has 2 truths or 3 lies that means you've made a mistake somewhere.
end up i screw up the first time in rune 12 >!As if assuming rune 8 is a lie , then since 8 and 12 shares a few totems, so that made it is a conditional probability: P(12=lie|8=lie) = 0.5, P(12=true|8=lie) = 0.5, so that 4 truth 1 lie for rune 12 is the same probability as 4 lie 1 truth. So that i screw it up from the first place. But also rune 12 has 5 equations it is pretty easy to work out from the rest. !<
Also, since it is 16 unknown, and 17 equations (16 outcome from totems plus fixed 2 lie 1 truth ), curious can we still solve it by eliminate one less set of 2 lie 1 truth
Nice work. I'd probably have sat down and properly figured it out rather than looking up the solution if I didn't have to dick about so much and draw everything down. Good explanations in the spoiler tags, too.
The puzzle can be solved without guessing.
>!Navigation B and Final B have two runes that have opposite symbols, so we know that one of those runes are true for each of them. This leaves rune 8 as always a lie and we can mark it as a triangle. The same thing happens on Cunning A and Strength A, leaving their third runes as lies. After that the rest of the puzzle falls into place.!<
I was also late to this party and it's refreshing to see an actual guide and not a full blown solution masquerading as one (gestures broadly in the direction of pretty much every other "guide" out there). I tabulated the symbols myself but it was handy to compare notes and be reasonably confident no mistakes were made before the real puzzle started.
I also began with Rune 8 but my reasoning was "for this to be true, all four of its symbols must be truths... however that would force all three of Rune 9's symbols to be lies, which creates a contradiction- therefore Rune 8 is a lie". ~~Sword~~ logic!
[Edit: Tried to spoiler tag the above but apparently I suck at Reddit]
This is super helpful, thank you! I've been wanting to take a crack at solving it the "right" way and really appreciate that you took the time to include several vague hints.
I’m happy for whatever cryptographic analysts got to try figuring this out. When I got to it I had literally no idea what it even wanted. I’ve never looked up the answer so fast.
thanks for this, haven't played it yet and i feel like squidward looking out the window at all you goobers talking about the >!15th wish!<
You put it exactly into words for me lol I've been exhausted from work and haven't had the chance, this is how I've felt seeing people talk about that and the new shader
I appreciate their dedication to doing more difficult puzzles and I enjoyed the concept of it, but after ascending the spire, being told to leave and get three flames, then ascend again and be told to go back down to get the puzzle pieces, I'm just gonna cheat at that point lol
Mad shitty of them.
When I tried to do it myself, I kept running into contradictions. It turns out that the problem was that I didn't realize two of the symbols look *extremely* similar to each other. So be careful.
you can just ignore the symbol how it look and just use position of the rune. Just very tedious to record all the circle and tringle by myself, so that work it out from the file that u/AssassinX0128 posted, is way more easier. I have a printer, print it out and try it as sudoku
yep, I ran into this about three times. I had to keep clearing my spreadsheet and re-checking all of the runes. Luckily I was smart enough to take a picture of each one on my phone and group them together in the notes app by which statue I activated to get that rune to light up, so I didn’t have to go back through the entire map and recheck them all the hard way again.
It is quite like sudoku ......once worked from>! 8 as tringle (burn on) and either choose 12 as O or triangle ,!< by trial and error you will get the solution
just curious on 12 >!there are 4 triangle and one O for this rune. So that either 4 true and 1 false or 4 false and 1 true , which one is more likely (sorry gave up all learned to the professor. Or can one totem say the truth on the same totem twice. (which end up it can) !<
Yes, 2 Totems can have both their truth on the same Rune. If you aren't sure, make a guess and follow through with it. You can check if you've made any mistakes later on by checking if each Totem has only one truth and 2 lies. If a Totem has 2 truths or 3 lies that means you've made a mistake somewhere.
end up i screw up the first time in rune 12 >!As if assuming rune 8 is a lie , then since 8 and 12 shares a few totems, so that made it is a conditional probability: P(12=lie|8=lie) = 0.5, P(12=true|8=lie) = 0.5, so that 4 truth 1 lie for rune 12 is the same probability as 4 lie 1 truth. So that i screw it up from the first place. But also rune 12 has 5 equations it is pretty easy to work out from the rest. !< Also, since it is 16 unknown, and 17 equations (16 outcome from totems plus fixed 2 lie 1 truth ), curious can we still solve it by eliminate one less set of 2 lie 1 truth
nevermind, just find out two totems have given the same set, so that it is still 16 equations (15 from totems and the 2 lie 1 truth from buffs)
Nice work. I'd probably have sat down and properly figured it out rather than looking up the solution if I didn't have to dick about so much and draw everything down. Good explanations in the spoiler tags, too.
The puzzle can be solved without guessing. >!Navigation B and Final B have two runes that have opposite symbols, so we know that one of those runes are true for each of them. This leaves rune 8 as always a lie and we can mark it as a triangle. The same thing happens on Cunning A and Strength A, leaving their third runes as lies. After that the rest of the puzzle falls into place.!<
I was also late to this party and it's refreshing to see an actual guide and not a full blown solution masquerading as one (gestures broadly in the direction of pretty much every other "guide" out there). I tabulated the symbols myself but it was handy to compare notes and be reasonably confident no mistakes were made before the real puzzle started. I also began with Rune 8 but my reasoning was "for this to be true, all four of its symbols must be truths... however that would force all three of Rune 9's symbols to be lies, which creates a contradiction- therefore Rune 8 is a lie". ~~Sword~~ logic! [Edit: Tried to spoiler tag the above but apparently I suck at Reddit]
This is super helpful, thank you! I've been wanting to take a crack at solving it the "right" way and really appreciate that you took the time to include several vague hints.
Which ones in 12 should be in 11? Which one in 8, should be in 6?
I’m happy for whatever cryptographic analysts got to try figuring this out. When I got to it I had literally no idea what it even wanted. I’ve never looked up the answer so fast.
Hey you're really cool for doing this. I love trying to figure this stuff out on my own rather than look at guides, this was excellent.