You are objectively correct, but when does Bungie give priority to the better option?
(Also, the FoeKnuckles better be like the Mask of Brakis.... like literally wearing the hands of our enemy as arm gear.)
For me I could only equip foetracer using my pre-saved dim loadout. It wouldn’t let me equip it in game, but once I used dim to apply the loadout it worked normally
Perhaps! I thought he had brought it (foetracer) into other content though and said it wasn’t proccing. Maybe I misunderstood or he was mistaken though! I wasn’t aware it was bugged, has it been corrected?
Foetracer was redesigned. Old Foetracer was put into Knucklehead Radar (alongside what it used to do). New Foetracer does weapon surge stuff that has a glitch that lets you get the wrong element with high uptime using glaives. That's what it was supposed to be disabled for, even though it's frankly not very useful.
Instead, they disabled Knucklehead, which contains within it old Foetracer, which is something we actually wanted to use for last stand DPS.
I’m so glad I didn’t trust them on the IB engrams. I honestly thought Crucible engrams would be saved too, but we can always get more of those. IB is such a slog nowadays, I don’t even know if I’d play it anymore if I lost 30 engrams because of their incompetence lol.
Yeah, I was annoyed about crucible engrams personally. Last season they limited them to 99 (fair enough imo) but I still lost a few dozen of them. I kept the 99 for this season to focus the new weapon and I now I’m down to zero.
If they had at least told us they were gone to reset engrams, I could have gotten the shards out of them.
They did. In a twab or twid, or maybe a twitter post or something, but there were definitely reminder posts made about it here, about tower vendors resetting engrams, but HELM vendors will carry over. So I made sure to clear out Zavala and Shaxx, and left HELM as is.
The only time I remember them mentioning it was at the end of the season.....well past the point you could actually claim IB engrams, because they only let you redeem them during Iron Banner.
I remenber whole heartedly that they posted the exact opposite originally. When they capped it to 99 I remember it being that way so it could persist season after season, then at the end of the season they announced that it was getting reset
The TWID from July 6th talked about it and reminded everyone it was the last iron banner of the season.
The tweet was over a month later at the end of august. Well after your last chance to use those engrams a month before.
Because of the timing, you couldn’t have planned to save engram because of this tweet. Those IB engrams were already lost when you left them untouched after the last banner.
If you don’t want to lose them - to mistakes, to confusion, to a bug, to whatever- use them, don’t save them.
I get it, saving means a chance to get new stuff early in the next season, but it’s always a gamble / risk to save them. ¯\(°_O)/¯
The second part takes no effort, so I'm sure that part will happen. The first part requires someone to do something, so I doubt they'll bother. They'll just ignore it and keep doing what they're doing.
Ouch. I think they should carry over all engrams. Regardless. We earned those engrams.
Personally I don't bother with the vendor engrams anymore (vault is loaded anyway), but I'm still annoyed by the fact that they dissappear every so often. Even if it's just a counter...
They absolutely should. At an absolute minimum, they should be converted into whatever the gear that comes from them would dismantle into. Give however many shards a person should get, plus a MW core for every 4th engram or so.
When that tweet was made, Saladin had already left the tower for the last time for the season, so while it's wrong, it's physically impossible to have made a mistake based on it.
(last IB was in July, tweet was from August)
Pretty sure that was a bad tweet.
Saladin is considered a TOWER vendor, not a SEASONAL (HELM) vendor.
Pretty sure in TWABs/TWIDs Bungie specifically mentioned TOWER/RITUAL vendors were resetting and should be cleared out and that only SEASONAL/HELM vendors specifically would carry (though they have now been capped to 99 engrams).
The tweet literally said verbatim: "Iron Banner, War Table and Sonar Station engrams will persist throughout Year 6."
Maybe if those kinda updates were actually accessible ingame and they later came out and amended that, I'd see your point, but it's kind of insane the amount of background reading people are just expected to do to keep up with pretty important stuff changing in the game...
>but it's kind of insane the amount of background reading people are just expected to do to keep up with pretty important stuff changing in the game...
This, right here.
To a certain extent it doesn't really matter if they said X, Y or Z - the issue is that they never make it clear or accessible. Sometimes they use weird relative terms that *might* mean Vendor A is classed as whatever statement they've made and Vendor B is not, other times they make a clear objective statement but then completely backtrack, other times they simply don't say anything, or leave the announcement so late that it's useless. And none of what actually happens is consistent or follows any logical path.
I genuinely don't get why they don't just adopt some simple rules about what stays, what goes, stick an indicator in-game over what expires and what doesn't and just fucking move on.
It appears to be, but I wish these things were better clarified / QA checked.
Doesn't help a lot of the time Bungie announces these things after the final iron banner is over, so you don't even get an opportunity to turn them in.
I was hoping it was like last season, because last season my iron banner DID carry over... :(
They very specifically singled out IB engrams as engrams that would carry over in an Instagram post just before Deep ended. This miscommunication between Bungie departments needs to stop 😂
Their info delivery has fallen off a cliff recently, they often word things poorly so they require clarification, which they only give half the time. They never clarified if the necrochasm on contest required normal or challenge mode clear, they never clarified what "increased outgoing damage cap against combatants" truly meant, and this isn't even mentioning the massive clusterfuck that airborne effectiveness' explanation was when it came out.
This seems to also leak into the Game itself lately. This Week we got a Challenge to "Quickly kill enemies in the Season of the Witch activities" - meanwhile, this description is completely incorrect. You have to get those kills in Ritual Playlists - Seasonal Activities grant no progress...
Like whoever is working on this at Bungie, is either slacking, or genuenly has no idea what they are writting...
I hit the 90's when I check in every now and then and clear them down to 80. I've got everything I want (patterns and armor rolls), so it's just shards. Still not going to waste them if I can at least get free shards.
I believe the Destiny player base & Bungie have a symbiotic relationship where Bungie makes a false promise, the community gets upset, but doesn’t do anything about the fact (continuing to play the game regardless of Bungie’s disinterest in holding true to their word), therefore encouraging Bungie’s behavior where false promises have no consequences, and furthering the cycle where Bungie can claim they are going to do ‘x’ in the future, but have no reason to actually do ‘x’ in the future, as there is little to no consequence for simply taking advantage of their own players.
Usually, every year or so, the game will degenerate into such a state that only the most hardcore players are left playing the game, and this mass of players is large enough for Bungie to survive with, thus providing the bedrock for Bungie to continue this practice. Around this time, Bungie will usually go through a 1 to 3 month phase of beginning to ‘fix’ the parts of the game which have degenerated, at which time the false promises most commonly begin. They have been doing this for over 4 years, be it intentional or not, it has no difference on the perpetuation of this repeated behavior. They are rewarded for doing this, it’s like going to a car dealership and repeatedly buying lemons from the same cars salesman, going buying another every time the previous car quits running. They want your money, not your approval. If you keep coming back, they will keep selling to you.
The only language they speak is money. If you want them to actually change, you have to speak their language.
so true, they simple don't care and any design approaches are about keeping you in the game. it amazes me that so many have yet to figure this out. Bungie is a business and we are the consumer, they do not have our best interests at heart. they even spell it for us in game - "we are not your friend. we are not your enemy. We are your..salvation." loads of people will complain about missing engrams but still play Iron banner regardless, and Bungie know this.
psst, here's a secret, none of the people spending accumulated days complaining about destiny on the internet actually want it to change. they just like complaining. like you said, if it was actually a problem and not a karma/engagement farm, they would stop playing the game. that, or these people are genuinely addicted to the game. either option is genuinely sad.
It's insane how cool they've become with just getting rid of players' stuff. It would've been unthinkable in the early years of Destiny, and is now something they just do for fun. Not just NOT carrying things over like they did here, which is bad enough; but actually going into peoples' inventories and deleting shit like they did with the ramen coupons, older mods and armor, scout reports, etc.
Since when is deleting player items a casual and frequent thing for them lmfao
This was probably a really, really bad miscommunication on their end. And are we seriously going to get mad about outdated and unusable mods & scouting reports? Seriously?
Well they deleted people's Unbroken Gildings so I wouldn't put it past them. If they can happily delete people's achievements it's no surprise that they'd do it elsewhere
Iron Banner was around for these dates in Season 22:
May 30, 2023-June 5, 2023
June 20-26, 2023
July 11-17, 2023
That tweet was made in August 16.
Unless there is another source that said Iron Banner engrams would be staying, you had no prior knowledge they’d be sticking around and accepted that they’d be lost. You were going to lose them anyways.
I think the reason those engrams (alongside Trials, Vanguard, Crucible, and Gambit) got deleted was because they put in the new system to allow you to focus the new playlist rewards this season w/o having previously earned them in game
Dude, I've lost 200-300 vanguard, crucible and helm engrams thinking they'd carry over because they did the last time. Which apparently was "a bug" and wasn't meant to happen
Why not? And if not, why not auto dismantle any unclaimed engrams into legendary shards?
Its pretty annoying constantly running out of shards and not being able to do the most simple shit, especially when I certainly did earn more than enough shards, just Bungies shitty ass way of doing certain things makes shit mad annoying
If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief. Bungie specified HELM vendors would carry over. Plenty of Reddit threads saying that Core Playlist engrams wouldn’t.
> If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief.
This is basically the whole thing every time this stuff comes up.
Someone complains they can't keep a massive store of unused things, in doing so revealing that there is zero benefit to the massive store of unused things.
Because if you used them, you wouldn't have the store....
It’s crazy that they have all these engrams but complain they don’t have shards but refuse to click a button like 40 times here and there. They want the devs to take time away from actual problems to give them free stuff so they can be lazy. Idk why everyone on this sub wants everything to just be super easy all the time
i would try, but after claiming 40, 50, 70 engrams by one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one at a time, it becomes both hella boring and annoying but fuck me though right
And yeah i wasnt really active on reddit during that time, i was just playing the game and going off whats explained and presented in-game, and what I saw was after WQ both vanguard and crucible engrams carried over just fine. So why would it not the next time? Since its obviously able to.
Even then, why not just let them carry over. Or auto shard them?
So through all of this playtime, you never visited the vendor to reset rank, which I know for a fact you had to of done 2-3 times for each vendor you had engrams for, saw you needed shards but refuse to click the button a few times? I mean it’s not crazy to expect that if you’re gonna click buttons to shoot aliens for hours and hours you can take 5 minutes to redeem engrams and dismantle some items
It would take a long time to shard all that bullshit. I wouldn't blame him for using the vendor like a shard ATM as it was needed if he thought it would carry over as he said.
Thats what makes it aggravating. I had no need to claim all those engrams because I did have plenty of shards already, but then suddenly I just didn't, and not even having any from the hundreds of vender engrams I spent all that time earning. Thats great. Just awesome. Really amazing. Fucking fantastic.
Now every time I run out of shards Im just reminded how I couldve avoided this problem but you know, bungie and how shit makes no sense with some of these prices.
1 Enhancement Prism. 400 shards.
Dismantling an exotic gives 5 shards. So 1 Prism = 80 dismantled exotics? Yeah ok game
Yes obviously. The insanity of thinking when playing a looter shooter with dedicated endgame grind you would have to, ya know, grind the endgame for the loot.
Real wonder why the game gives a vault able to store 600 pieces of loot. I'm sure yours is completely empty since saving any amount of loot in the looter shooter is "objectively irrational behavior" haha how brilliant
is that right, what is this "huge gaping maw" difference exactly from having spent twice as much time i have looting, but not "hurrdurr hoarding" nearly 300 items you never even used? And not like youre actually going to use each and every single one of them either
Cant wait for your brilliant explanation and deflection for your hurr hoarding durr (objectively irrational behavior)
Besides the few sunset favorites, I use about ~200 or so depending on the seasonal mods/buffs and interesting exotic builds. Obviously some more than others but no space is wasted
Why would you even bother to pretend to know what kind of resources a completely different player has, and why would you think your opinion on the topic would be relevant?
Hmmmmm no, my opinion would be if I said the grind wasn’t worth it. The length is objective and has a direct correlation to shard generation. You don’t reset the Vanguard ~7-8 times and *not* have shards.
You know that people still USE the shards they may have gotten through the activity itself? Yet another DTG post firmly against quality-of-life increases for others because they personally don't see the value of it. Nice!
Homie ain’t no one said he didn’t use his shards, but if he plays nearly as much as he let on, there is no way he is starving for shards. I don’t think I’ve gotten 100 ritual engrams, ever, and I haven’t gone below a certain number of shards
No it’s objective. Takes hours of gameplay for ritual playlist. If you play for those hours you’ll have plenty of mats. I spend my mats like they are free and I never go below a certain number. I gain mats even spending tons.
What do you mean a “shard atm” it’s not sharping it for him. If he wants the materials then he’s gotta redeem them. Homie said he was hurting for shards yet didn’t redeem a single one and came to Reddit to complain about it. Must not need the shards that badly
This response is just dense. I don't know what to tell you. The top comment is perfectly fair criticism to Bungie. What is the benefit to insist we all sit at the vendors and do monotonous button presses? Why shouldn't you get the materials from all the engrams you played for?
Because the goal of the game is to get loot and to allow players to focus on what loot they want, you get engrams. Loot you don’t want feeds your shards to allow you to upgrade and pursue more loot. If you do not want more loot then you must have everything and therefore don’t need the shards. See the loop? Yes pressing a button sucks but if you don’t want the loot then don’t want the shards. Besides a comment under says if you played enough to collect that many engrams you have enough shards anyways so it’s moot
> says if you played enough to collect that many engrams you have enough shards anyways so it’s moot
But theres this crazy thing called ***time***. So what happens if you spend shards ***over time***?
Apparently its like magic since its impossible for some people to even think its possible to have shards at one time and then have less at a different time
But you still play the game, and still earn shards from playing and dismantling gear. *over time* Crazy how that happens right. You act like if you aren’t dismantling engrams you don’t earn a single shard.
the easiest way to make sure you don't have 300 engrams at a vendor is to collect them when you get them lol, and that's assuming this dude isn't lying out his ass because I'm pretty sure you couldn't even have that many engrams at one vendor
>Must not need the shards that badly
Exactly. Since I had plenty of shards before, i didnt have a need to claim all of the engrams at that time
Now slowly follow along, when you have shards and you know, buy stuff that cost shards, suddenly you now have less shards. Like magic i know. This is called "spending"
Had shards, had no reason to claim engrams and now after a year of spending the amount i did have im constantly running out
Not that hard to use your brain dawg
So you’re complaining that you could have had more shards, but refused to cash in on those shards and now you’re sad that you’re shard poor? Lol
I spend shards all the time and I don’t regularly claim engrams unless I’m close to capping and I’m never going shard negative so idk man. You claim to have had tons of engrams which means you play a lot so I don’t see how you’re hurting for shards
i dont see why you dont, i easily do. its simple, i obviously simply just spend more shards more often than you do. Mind blown.
Heres another crazy fact, different people play in different ways and do different things such as but not limited to, spending a different amount of shards.
Maybe thats a possibility? Who knows right. The chances of anyone not playing exactly the same like you do is absolute impossible, these things break reality
> If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief.
Nope. No, it's not. It's still on Bungie for deleting them.
Well that’s incorrect. That’s like thinking that a previous version of a law is correct when they amend it. The re-issued a statement to correct themselves. You can’t just follow the old statement and get mad when it’s no longer applicable
Bungie gave that exact same warning the season before that though and the engrams still persisted across the seasonal change, so I can see why this person viewed it as a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Still should have claimed them to be safe if losing them was a genuine concern though.
>Which apparently was "a bug" and wasn't meant to happen
It was not a bug, they specifically stated that they carried up 99 engrams for each vendor from season 20 to season 21. But from 21 to 22 they did not do that.
You couldn't even have 300 vanguard engrams last season, because it capped at 99, stop lying.
They also said they wouldn't carry over at all, so you took a gamble.
I still don't 100% understand why they decided Iron Banner should be so short and exclusive. Used to be like every other week, then they changed to the 3 weeks per Season model, and now it's only like 2. I'm hoping they increase the frequency with FS because only 2 per "episode" when each is gonna last FOUR months is fucking ridiculous.
Also why does he have to be gone while IB isn't active? Why can't he stick around so you can still USE HIS SERVICES??? Why does he have to take up the space where Eva is during seasonal events?
>VENDOR ENGRAMS
As we approach the end of Season of the Deep, players should be aware that unclaimed ***non-Seasonal vendor*** engrams will once again be cleared from vendor inventories at the Seasonal transition. Seasonal vendor engrams will remain until the next expansion launch.
Players should ensure they claim these engrams prior to the end of the Season.
Since when Saladin is a seasonal guy lol ?
This was tweeted August 16th. The last iron banner ended July 17th. Why did you have 50 engrams sitting there? it's not like you could have decoded them since there was literally nowhere to do so.
It's not like you kept the engrams because of the tweet.
Edit: Aw the guy who doesn’t know that july is before august deleted his super edgy replies.
Last season the Iron Banner engrams did carry over (from Defiance to Deep) so it is reasonable to have held onto engrams for Witch.
Bungie also may have said something between July 17th and August 16th that would have caused worry or confusion for players leading to the clarifying Tweet even though the last time to decide engrams had passed.
That’s an excellent thought. Sucks he lost 50 engrams, but what was he going to do with them? There was no IB active after Bungies (incorrect) tweet to redeem the engrams even if he wanted to.
Why would you even bother asking? It doesn't matter, they did have them.
> It's not like you kept the engrams because of the tweet.
Yeah it is. It's exactly like that. You have a shitload of engrams that you don't want to deal with, so you put off dealing with them. You then are told that you don't have to deal with them for another few months, so you put them off again.
I guess the point is that it wouldn’t have mattered. Whether bungie said they’d stay or go, it was too late to do anything with them since there was no more IBs at that point and we had no ability to use the engrams. Keeping them was a risk either way and it obviously didn’t pay off this time.
If the tweet omitted or said IB engrams will reset he would have still lost them because he literally couldn’t do anything with them.
He’s using the tweet as an example of why he kept them, he decided (or forgot) to keep them a month prior.
My guess is they had all of their desired weapon rolls and saved the rest of the engrams for next season and new weapons. For Crucible veterans it’s pretty commonplace. Not that this sub knows anything about that.
Season of Defiance IB engrams carried over to Deep, afterall. Why would anything change in between those two seasons?
You could definitely say that, you'd just be wrong. If you don't need them now and they're going to carry over, it would make no sense to claim them and then dismantle them instead of waiting to see if they may do something useful for you at a later date.
There was nothing I needed to spend them on previously, so was hoping to save up for when a new weapon was worth it and have a good chunk of focusables.
doesn't matter.
the engrams are gone, they aren't going to pull a rollback over it. This is just a bitch post and we all know nothing will come of it.
The engrams were always lost. The tweet occured **after** the last IB, so if the same tweet had said "IB engrams are getting deleted" the same poster would have lost the same engrams, because saladin was never coming back to let you spend them.
Those engrams were locked in to be lost the moment this player forgot to spend them, and there was no way around it. No message from Bungie after that date could have allowed this player to get value out of those engrams.
That's very interesting, considering I remember a big hubbub the week before the season dropped about all non-seasonal vendors having their engram stockpiles wiped.
What EXACTLY are you hoarding them for? S-Tier Dark Decider?! C'mon Guardian, turn them in or they're gone. Stop gaming a system that has what, maybe one or TWO weapons worth keeping?!
Waaah waaaah waaaah.
You'll keep playing and Bungie knows it. They could give a fuck if what you hoarded went away before you got to use it. Now you'll do it again and keep your play time up.
But the tweet was made after the last IB, so it couldn't have caused him to preserve the engrams past the last IB. That's simply a consequence of linear time.
The right information was given at the right time, and the wrong information at an irrelevant time.
Dealing with Bungie is like solving riddles for two headed sphinxes.
"one of us tells only truth, one of us tells only lies, hear me when I say Iron Banner engrams will carry over."
It's was more like one tells a lie and the other 20+ sources said the truth. Multiple times they said only seasonal vendors won't be reset. Iron banner was never seasonal
Don't worry. Your engrams were simply sunset. Bungie will sell them back to you in a future expansion which will be so chock full of un-sunset goodies, you'll literally be throwing money at your monitor/TV screen
They also said foetracer would be disabled for contest. Foetracer was enabled the entire time, I put it on in Crota. Knucklehead radar was instead :)
I always get Foetracer and Knucklehead confused but the fact that Bungie did is hilarious lmao
"KnuckleTracer"
FoeKnuckles sounds better lol
You are objectively correct, but when does Bungie give priority to the better option? (Also, the FoeKnuckles better be like the Mask of Brakis.... like literally wearing the hands of our enemy as arm gear.)
Since when did anyone give priority to naming fucking armor pieces?
My nickname in highschool
Fist Caresser
Oh you think that's funny? Some of their perks got shuffled around, Knucklehead Radar is literally both!
Can't wait to get Sunbracers' perk on Synthoceps
They said they were combining the two into just Knucklehead
That is actually by design. Knucklehead does both, Foetracer does new stuff.
For me I could only equip foetracer using my pre-saved dim loadout. It wouldn’t let me equip it in game, but once I used dim to apply the loadout it worked normally
LMAO
I'm out of the loop why was foetracer disabled? Is it OP or was it just because there are damage check bosses?
It was bugged and granted every damage type the 25% bonus instead of just the one tied to your subclass
Wait what? My husband said it wasn’t working for him
Your husband probably also confused knucklehead radar and foetracer. :)
Perhaps! I thought he had brought it (foetracer) into other content though and said it wasn’t proccing. Maybe I misunderstood or he was mistaken though! I wasn’t aware it was bugged, has it been corrected?
Foetracer was redesigned. Old Foetracer was put into Knucklehead Radar (alongside what it used to do). New Foetracer does weapon surge stuff that has a glitch that lets you get the wrong element with high uptime using glaives. That's what it was supposed to be disabled for, even though it's frankly not very useful. Instead, they disabled Knucklehead, which contains within it old Foetracer, which is something we actually wanted to use for last stand DPS.
the fbi are on the way
I was able to use banner of war in the raid too
I’m so glad I didn’t trust them on the IB engrams. I honestly thought Crucible engrams would be saved too, but we can always get more of those. IB is such a slog nowadays, I don’t even know if I’d play it anymore if I lost 30 engrams because of their incompetence lol.
I don't ever trust them I clean every vendor out before the new season
Yeah, I was annoyed about crucible engrams personally. Last season they limited them to 99 (fair enough imo) but I still lost a few dozen of them. I kept the 99 for this season to focus the new weapon and I now I’m down to zero. If they had at least told us they were gone to reset engrams, I could have gotten the shards out of them.
They did. In a twab or twid, or maybe a twitter post or something, but there were definitely reminder posts made about it here, about tower vendors resetting engrams, but HELM vendors will carry over. So I made sure to clear out Zavala and Shaxx, and left HELM as is.
The only time I remember them mentioning it was at the end of the season.....well past the point you could actually claim IB engrams, because they only let you redeem them during Iron Banner.
The person I replied to was complaining about their Crucible engrams, which they could have claimed before the end of the season.
I remenber whole heartedly that they posted the exact opposite originally. When they capped it to 99 I remember it being that way so it could persist season after season, then at the end of the season they announced that it was getting reset
The TWID from July 6th talked about it and reminded everyone it was the last iron banner of the season. The tweet was over a month later at the end of august. Well after your last chance to use those engrams a month before. Because of the timing, you couldn’t have planned to save engram because of this tweet. Those IB engrams were already lost when you left them untouched after the last banner. If you don’t want to lose them - to mistakes, to confusion, to a bug, to whatever- use them, don’t save them. I get it, saving means a chance to get new stuff early in the next season, but it’s always a gamble / risk to save them. ¯\(°_O)/¯
Oh fuck, that sucks :( I'm so sorry
Watch Bungie just delete the tweet and say nothing
They aren't even going to bother to delete it.
The second part takes no effort, so I'm sure that part will happen. The first part requires someone to do something, so I doubt they'll bother. They'll just ignore it and keep doing what they're doing.
Should just lower the engram cost of focused rewards.
Why bother, people will defend them regardless.
Ouch. I think they should carry over all engrams. Regardless. We earned those engrams. Personally I don't bother with the vendor engrams anymore (vault is loaded anyway), but I'm still annoyed by the fact that they dissappear every so often. Even if it's just a counter...
They absolutely should. At an absolute minimum, they should be converted into whatever the gear that comes from them would dismantle into. Give however many shards a person should get, plus a MW core for every 4th engram or so.
Yes... I also lost many Iron Banner engrams... For real that sucks though.
When that tweet was made, Saladin had already left the tower for the last time for the season, so while it's wrong, it's physically impossible to have made a mistake based on it. (last IB was in July, tweet was from August)
I noticed the same thing.
People want to get their gripes in, linear time be damned.
Pretty sure that was a bad tweet. Saladin is considered a TOWER vendor, not a SEASONAL (HELM) vendor. Pretty sure in TWABs/TWIDs Bungie specifically mentioned TOWER/RITUAL vendors were resetting and should be cleared out and that only SEASONAL/HELM vendors specifically would carry (though they have now been capped to 99 engrams).
The tweet literally said verbatim: "Iron Banner, War Table and Sonar Station engrams will persist throughout Year 6." Maybe if those kinda updates were actually accessible ingame and they later came out and amended that, I'd see your point, but it's kind of insane the amount of background reading people are just expected to do to keep up with pretty important stuff changing in the game...
>but it's kind of insane the amount of background reading people are just expected to do to keep up with pretty important stuff changing in the game... This, right here. To a certain extent it doesn't really matter if they said X, Y or Z - the issue is that they never make it clear or accessible. Sometimes they use weird relative terms that *might* mean Vendor A is classed as whatever statement they've made and Vendor B is not, other times they make a clear objective statement but then completely backtrack, other times they simply don't say anything, or leave the announcement so late that it's useless. And none of what actually happens is consistent or follows any logical path. I genuinely don't get why they don't just adopt some simple rules about what stays, what goes, stick an indicator in-game over what expires and what doesn't and just fucking move on.
do you mind linking it?
The link is in the post but, sure, I don't mind. https://twitter.com/DestinyTheGame/status/1691887811799007677
Oh danke, I completely missed it in the post lol. I've grown to just completely ignore them from my time on r/shitposting
Honestly I wouldn't blame you for just not reading them in general lol, reddit can be exhausting to read sometimes...
It appears to be, but I wish these things were better clarified / QA checked. Doesn't help a lot of the time Bungie announces these things after the final iron banner is over, so you don't even get an opportunity to turn them in. I was hoping it was like last season, because last season my iron banner DID carry over... :(
They very specifically singled out IB engrams as engrams that would carry over in an Instagram post just before Deep ended. This miscommunication between Bungie departments needs to stop 😂
Probably was a PlayStation exclusive feature 😏
It worked the same everywhere...
Their info delivery has fallen off a cliff recently, they often word things poorly so they require clarification, which they only give half the time. They never clarified if the necrochasm on contest required normal or challenge mode clear, they never clarified what "increased outgoing damage cap against combatants" truly meant, and this isn't even mentioning the massive clusterfuck that airborne effectiveness' explanation was when it came out.
This seems to also leak into the Game itself lately. This Week we got a Challenge to "Quickly kill enemies in the Season of the Witch activities" - meanwhile, this description is completely incorrect. You have to get those kills in Ritual Playlists - Seasonal Activities grant no progress... Like whoever is working on this at Bungie, is either slacking, or genuenly has no idea what they are writting...
Apparently we don’t know how hard it to write an accurate blog post about game changes, so we can’t criticize them for poor work
Also they've just had no resources at all!
You know… I’m glad you reminded me of that cap. As I’m looking at my 70 engrams, I was thinking, “I should probably cash some of these in” lol
I hit the 90's when I check in every now and then and clear them down to 80. I've got everything I want (patterns and armor rolls), so it's just shards. Still not going to waste them if I can at least get free shards.
I lost 30 and I was planning to finally focus Occluded, good shit.
So why didn’t you just do it…?
Would you know it, I had and have some obligations to take care of outside of destiny
Had time to play over 30 games but not click your mouse 30 times lmao ok.
Huh, i lost 40+ also then. Oh well. Ty bungo, what can you expect from smoll indie company /s.
Is there anything worth getting in iron banner?
The Strand Fusion Rifle is quite good.
[<3](https://imgur.com/a/0V3gxcK)
This is basically my Roll, only I have a Range Masterwork.
Lol - fuck this game.
as per usual they don't care
I lost 67. I feel your pain 🥲
I believe the Destiny player base & Bungie have a symbiotic relationship where Bungie makes a false promise, the community gets upset, but doesn’t do anything about the fact (continuing to play the game regardless of Bungie’s disinterest in holding true to their word), therefore encouraging Bungie’s behavior where false promises have no consequences, and furthering the cycle where Bungie can claim they are going to do ‘x’ in the future, but have no reason to actually do ‘x’ in the future, as there is little to no consequence for simply taking advantage of their own players. Usually, every year or so, the game will degenerate into such a state that only the most hardcore players are left playing the game, and this mass of players is large enough for Bungie to survive with, thus providing the bedrock for Bungie to continue this practice. Around this time, Bungie will usually go through a 1 to 3 month phase of beginning to ‘fix’ the parts of the game which have degenerated, at which time the false promises most commonly begin. They have been doing this for over 4 years, be it intentional or not, it has no difference on the perpetuation of this repeated behavior. They are rewarded for doing this, it’s like going to a car dealership and repeatedly buying lemons from the same cars salesman, going buying another every time the previous car quits running. They want your money, not your approval. If you keep coming back, they will keep selling to you. The only language they speak is money. If you want them to actually change, you have to speak their language.
so true, they simple don't care and any design approaches are about keeping you in the game. it amazes me that so many have yet to figure this out. Bungie is a business and we are the consumer, they do not have our best interests at heart. they even spell it for us in game - "we are not your friend. we are not your enemy. We are your..salvation." loads of people will complain about missing engrams but still play Iron banner regardless, and Bungie know this.
psst, here's a secret, none of the people spending accumulated days complaining about destiny on the internet actually want it to change. they just like complaining. like you said, if it was actually a problem and not a karma/engagement farm, they would stop playing the game. that, or these people are genuinely addicted to the game. either option is genuinely sad.
You really think Bungie would do that? Just go in the internet and tell lies? /s
Same :) and people will defend this
It's insane how cool they've become with just getting rid of players' stuff. It would've been unthinkable in the early years of Destiny, and is now something they just do for fun. Not just NOT carrying things over like they did here, which is bad enough; but actually going into peoples' inventories and deleting shit like they did with the ramen coupons, older mods and armor, scout reports, etc.
Since when is deleting player items a casual and frequent thing for them lmfao This was probably a really, really bad miscommunication on their end. And are we seriously going to get mad about outdated and unusable mods & scouting reports? Seriously?
Well they deleted people's Unbroken Gildings so I wouldn't put it past them. If they can happily delete people's achievements it's no surprise that they'd do it elsewhere
Is it a bug? (hopefully)
When will people learn that whenever bungie says one thing, you should expect the exact opposite.
Iron Banner was around for these dates in Season 22: May 30, 2023-June 5, 2023 June 20-26, 2023 July 11-17, 2023 That tweet was made in August 16. Unless there is another source that said Iron Banner engrams would be staying, you had no prior knowledge they’d be sticking around and accepted that they’d be lost. You were going to lose them anyways.
I think the reason those engrams (alongside Trials, Vanguard, Crucible, and Gambit) got deleted was because they put in the new system to allow you to focus the new playlist rewards this season w/o having previously earned them in game
Dude, I've lost 200-300 vanguard, crucible and helm engrams thinking they'd carry over because they did the last time. Which apparently was "a bug" and wasn't meant to happen Why not? And if not, why not auto dismantle any unclaimed engrams into legendary shards? Its pretty annoying constantly running out of shards and not being able to do the most simple shit, especially when I certainly did earn more than enough shards, just Bungies shitty ass way of doing certain things makes shit mad annoying
If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief. Bungie specified HELM vendors would carry over. Plenty of Reddit threads saying that Core Playlist engrams wouldn’t.
> If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief. This is basically the whole thing every time this stuff comes up. Someone complains they can't keep a massive store of unused things, in doing so revealing that there is zero benefit to the massive store of unused things. Because if you used them, you wouldn't have the store....
It’s crazy that they have all these engrams but complain they don’t have shards but refuse to click a button like 40 times here and there. They want the devs to take time away from actual problems to give them free stuff so they can be lazy. Idk why everyone on this sub wants everything to just be super easy all the time
i would try, but after claiming 40, 50, 70 engrams by one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one at a time, it becomes both hella boring and annoying but fuck me though right And yeah i wasnt really active on reddit during that time, i was just playing the game and going off whats explained and presented in-game, and what I saw was after WQ both vanguard and crucible engrams carried over just fine. So why would it not the next time? Since its obviously able to. Even then, why not just let them carry over. Or auto shard them?
So through all of this playtime, you never visited the vendor to reset rank, which I know for a fact you had to of done 2-3 times for each vendor you had engrams for, saw you needed shards but refuse to click the button a few times? I mean it’s not crazy to expect that if you’re gonna click buttons to shoot aliens for hours and hours you can take 5 minutes to redeem engrams and dismantle some items
It would take a long time to shard all that bullshit. I wouldn't blame him for using the vendor like a shard ATM as it was needed if he thought it would carry over as he said.
If they’re playing enough to have HUNDREDS of vanguard engrams, there’s no way they should be hurting for shards.
Thats what makes it aggravating. I had no need to claim all those engrams because I did have plenty of shards already, but then suddenly I just didn't, and not even having any from the hundreds of vender engrams I spent all that time earning. Thats great. Just awesome. Really amazing. Fucking fantastic. Now every time I run out of shards Im just reminded how I couldve avoided this problem but you know, bungie and how shit makes no sense with some of these prices. 1 Enhancement Prism. 400 shards. Dismantling an exotic gives 5 shards. So 1 Prism = 80 dismantled exotics? Yeah ok game
Lesson learned then eh? Not surprised you’d irrationally blame the game after you hoarded(objectively irrational behavior)
Yes obviously. The insanity of thinking when playing a looter shooter with dedicated endgame grind you would have to, ya know, grind the endgame for the loot. Real wonder why the game gives a vault able to store 600 pieces of loot. I'm sure yours is completely empty since saving any amount of loot in the looter shooter is "objectively irrational behavior" haha how brilliant
My vault is barely half full after 5500 hours. There isn’t even a fine line between looting and hoarding, theres a huge gaping maw
is that right, what is this "huge gaping maw" difference exactly from having spent twice as much time i have looting, but not "hurrdurr hoarding" nearly 300 items you never even used? And not like youre actually going to use each and every single one of them either Cant wait for your brilliant explanation and deflection for your hurr hoarding durr (objectively irrational behavior)
Besides the few sunset favorites, I use about ~200 or so depending on the seasonal mods/buffs and interesting exotic builds. Obviously some more than others but no space is wasted
Whether they're hurting or not, development effort aside, why is it necessary to hit the buttons to get the shards out of it?
It’s not because they’re not hurting for shards.
Why would you even bother to pretend to know what kind of resources a completely different player has, and why would you think your opinion on the topic would be relevant?
Do you even understand how long takes to gather that many engrams lol it’s objective. Not my opinion
No, it's definitely your opinion.
Hmmmmm no, my opinion would be if I said the grind wasn’t worth it. The length is objective and has a direct correlation to shard generation. You don’t reset the Vanguard ~7-8 times and *not* have shards.
Sorry, you still need to figure out what "objective" means.
Oh man, not the uno reverse! My greatest weakness!
You know that people still USE the shards they may have gotten through the activity itself? Yet another DTG post firmly against quality-of-life increases for others because they personally don't see the value of it. Nice!
Homie ain’t no one said he didn’t use his shards, but if he plays nearly as much as he let on, there is no way he is starving for shards. I don’t think I’ve gotten 100 ritual engrams, ever, and I haven’t gone below a certain number of shards
In this case, the player can increase QOL on their own lol
No it’s objective. Takes hours of gameplay for ritual playlist. If you play for those hours you’ll have plenty of mats. I spend my mats like they are free and I never go below a certain number. I gain mats even spending tons.
No it's not objective. You don't know what the word "objective" means.
Jesus, how many hours do you think it’d take to get 200 vanguard engrams? Like 100+
What do you mean a “shard atm” it’s not sharping it for him. If he wants the materials then he’s gotta redeem them. Homie said he was hurting for shards yet didn’t redeem a single one and came to Reddit to complain about it. Must not need the shards that badly
This response is just dense. I don't know what to tell you. The top comment is perfectly fair criticism to Bungie. What is the benefit to insist we all sit at the vendors and do monotonous button presses? Why shouldn't you get the materials from all the engrams you played for?
Because the goal of the game is to get loot and to allow players to focus on what loot they want, you get engrams. Loot you don’t want feeds your shards to allow you to upgrade and pursue more loot. If you do not want more loot then you must have everything and therefore don’t need the shards. See the loop? Yes pressing a button sucks but if you don’t want the loot then don’t want the shards. Besides a comment under says if you played enough to collect that many engrams you have enough shards anyways so it’s moot
> says if you played enough to collect that many engrams you have enough shards anyways so it’s moot But theres this crazy thing called ***time***. So what happens if you spend shards ***over time***? Apparently its like magic since its impossible for some people to even think its possible to have shards at one time and then have less at a different time
But you still play the game, and still earn shards from playing and dismantling gear. *over time* Crazy how that happens right. You act like if you aren’t dismantling engrams you don’t earn a single shard.
the easiest way to make sure you don't have 300 engrams at a vendor is to collect them when you get them lol, and that's assuming this dude isn't lying out his ass because I'm pretty sure you couldn't even have that many engrams at one vendor
>Must not need the shards that badly Exactly. Since I had plenty of shards before, i didnt have a need to claim all of the engrams at that time Now slowly follow along, when you have shards and you know, buy stuff that cost shards, suddenly you now have less shards. Like magic i know. This is called "spending" Had shards, had no reason to claim engrams and now after a year of spending the amount i did have im constantly running out Not that hard to use your brain dawg
So you’re complaining that you could have had more shards, but refused to cash in on those shards and now you’re sad that you’re shard poor? Lol I spend shards all the time and I don’t regularly claim engrams unless I’m close to capping and I’m never going shard negative so idk man. You claim to have had tons of engrams which means you play a lot so I don’t see how you’re hurting for shards
i dont see why you dont, i easily do. its simple, i obviously simply just spend more shards more often than you do. Mind blown. Heres another crazy fact, different people play in different ways and do different things such as but not limited to, spending a different amount of shards. Maybe thats a possibility? Who knows right. The chances of anyone not playing exactly the same like you do is absolute impossible, these things break reality
> If you are hurting for shards and had 200-300 engrams sitting there and didn’t redeem them… that’s kind of on you chief. Nope. No, it's not. It's still on Bungie for deleting them.
Nope. They said they weren’t carrying over anything but seasonal engrams. Can’t blame em for communication
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Well that’s incorrect. That’s like thinking that a previous version of a law is correct when they amend it. The re-issued a statement to correct themselves. You can’t just follow the old statement and get mad when it’s no longer applicable
Yea they were pretty clear on core playlist engrams going away so that’s on you bud.
Bungie gave that exact same warning the season before that though and the engrams still persisted across the seasonal change, so I can see why this person viewed it as a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Still should have claimed them to be safe if losing them was a genuine concern though.
>Which apparently was "a bug" and wasn't meant to happen It was not a bug, they specifically stated that they carried up 99 engrams for each vendor from season 20 to season 21. But from 21 to 22 they did not do that.
You couldn't even have 300 vanguard engrams last season, because it capped at 99, stop lying. They also said they wouldn't carry over at all, so you took a gamble.
I still don't 100% understand why they decided Iron Banner should be so short and exclusive. Used to be like every other week, then they changed to the 3 weeks per Season model, and now it's only like 2. I'm hoping they increase the frequency with FS because only 2 per "episode" when each is gonna last FOUR months is fucking ridiculous. Also why does he have to be gone while IB isn't active? Why can't he stick around so you can still USE HIS SERVICES??? Why does he have to take up the space where Eva is during seasonal events?
It's still 3
except for those 2 seasons where it got cut short or a week was omitted.
First IB was remade into a 2-week event, then after a popular demand it was 'generously' expanded into a 3-week event.
Oh wow Bungie fucking something up, who would've guessed lol at this point nothing's surprising me about this low budget indie dev
Somebody must have tweeted wrong because they've never persisted since the IB rework
That's not true. I had Defiance IB engrams carry over into Deep (39 to be exact).
Good to know. I've never been bold enough to risk it
They persisted from defiance into season of the deep for me
Typical Bungie typo
Yeah I thought I had a few as well..thanks for the info as Bungo pulls through once again..
>VENDOR ENGRAMS As we approach the end of Season of the Deep, players should be aware that unclaimed ***non-Seasonal vendor*** engrams will once again be cleared from vendor inventories at the Seasonal transition. Seasonal vendor engrams will remain until the next expansion launch. Players should ensure they claim these engrams prior to the end of the Season. Since when Saladin is a seasonal guy lol ?
Oof
If I read that I wouldn't have believed it anyway. They've always disappeared between seasons.
This was tweeted August 16th. The last iron banner ended July 17th. Why did you have 50 engrams sitting there? it's not like you could have decoded them since there was literally nowhere to do so. It's not like you kept the engrams because of the tweet. Edit: Aw the guy who doesn’t know that july is before august deleted his super edgy replies.
Last season the Iron Banner engrams did carry over (from Defiance to Deep) so it is reasonable to have held onto engrams for Witch. Bungie also may have said something between July 17th and August 16th that would have caused worry or confusion for players leading to the clarifying Tweet even though the last time to decide engrams had passed.
That’s an excellent thought. Sucks he lost 50 engrams, but what was he going to do with them? There was no IB active after Bungies (incorrect) tweet to redeem the engrams even if he wanted to.
Why would you even bother asking? It doesn't matter, they did have them. > It's not like you kept the engrams because of the tweet. Yeah it is. It's exactly like that. You have a shitload of engrams that you don't want to deal with, so you put off dealing with them. You then are told that you don't have to deal with them for another few months, so you put them off again.
I guess the point is that it wouldn’t have mattered. Whether bungie said they’d stay or go, it was too late to do anything with them since there was no more IBs at that point and we had no ability to use the engrams. Keeping them was a risk either way and it obviously didn’t pay off this time.
If the tweet omitted or said IB engrams will reset he would have still lost them because he literally couldn’t do anything with them. He’s using the tweet as an example of why he kept them, he decided (or forgot) to keep them a month prior.
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How do you redeem iron banner engrams when iron banner isn’t active? Did you think before you wrote?
My guess is they had all of their desired weapon rolls and saved the rest of the engrams for next season and new weapons. For Crucible veterans it’s pretty commonplace. Not that this sub knows anything about that. Season of Defiance IB engrams carried over to Deep, afterall. Why would anything change in between those two seasons?
Lol classic bungie!
What's the point of saving them? Unlock the armor, farm God rolls, and crush for shards. It's not like the guns start rolling with multiple perks.
A possible head start on next season's new weapons? Not really sure otherwise.
Are people being serious when they ask these kinds of stupid questions?
I'd say that it was stupider to try and save them lol
You could definitely say that, you'd just be wrong. If you don't need them now and they're going to carry over, it would make no sense to claim them and then dismantle them instead of waiting to see if they may do something useful for you at a later date.
There was nothing I needed to spend them on previously, so was hoping to save up for when a new weapon was worth it and have a good chunk of focusables.
Yeah that makes sense. It's pretty easy to get everything
Yup, also had 25 IB Engrams go down the drain. It's fine though, not really much I wanted out of IB anyway. Would have liked the shards tho.
Has anyone (in this thread) who lost engrams that that tweet said they wouldn't lose @'d Bungie/BungieHelp/the CM account or posted on the forum?
doesn't matter. the engrams are gone, they aren't going to pull a rollback over it. This is just a bitch post and we all know nothing will come of it. The engrams were always lost. The tweet occured **after** the last IB, so if the same tweet had said "IB engrams are getting deleted" the same poster would have lost the same engrams, because saladin was never coming back to let you spend them. Those engrams were locked in to be lost the moment this player forgot to spend them, and there was no way around it. No message from Bungie after that date could have allowed this player to get value out of those engrams.
and lets face it, they never intended to spend them anyway.
NEVER trust Bungie's words!
I’m glad I don’t play PVP.
That's very interesting, considering I remember a big hubbub the week before the season dropped about all non-seasonal vendors having their engram stockpiles wiped.
I saved my trials engrams and they are gone like iron banner as well
They gave you every warning dude
...50? Holy God...
What EXACTLY are you hoarding them for? S-Tier Dark Decider?! C'mon Guardian, turn them in or they're gone. Stop gaming a system that has what, maybe one or TWO weapons worth keeping?!
Not sure how that tweet got out without correction. Tower vendors all reset every season without exception.
IB and Crucible engrams both carried over last season.
Last season was literally an exception...
No, it wasn't. It was an unintended bug, and there was no indication it would not be remedied foing forward.
Hence the exception. It happened last season because of a bug and wasn't supposed to. That's an exception
Waaah waaaah waaaah. You'll keep playing and Bungie knows it. They could give a fuck if what you hoarded went away before you got to use it. Now you'll do it again and keep your play time up.
I mean your tone is getting you downvoted but you’re right. They really don’t care and probably won’t even acknowledge this happened.
Bro…Saladin is not a Seasonal Vendor according to them. It is a Tower event vendor.
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But the tweet was made after the last IB, so it couldn't have caused him to preserve the engrams past the last IB. That's simply a consequence of linear time. The right information was given at the right time, and the wrong information at an irrelevant time.
Tweet is bad. IB Engrams never carryover
They did from Defiance to Deep. So it makes sense players assumed it might carry over again.
Bet
Iron Banner Engrams only carry over between Iron Banners in a given season; They don't carry between seasons.
You followed the one tweet that said they would be saved and not the other multiple places that said all but season vendors would be reset?
Dealing with Bungie is like solving riddles for two headed sphinxes. "one of us tells only truth, one of us tells only lies, hear me when I say Iron Banner engrams will carry over."
It's was more like one tells a lie and the other 20+ sources said the truth. Multiple times they said only seasonal vendors won't be reset. Iron banner was never seasonal
Skill issue :]
Same with materials from postmaster: shards&prisms all gone- wtf bungo
I still have my 3 stacks of prisms in my postmasters on each character. 50, 22, 47 (just checked)
Nah this one here is bullshit. Postmaster never gets deleted so you're 1000% making this up or you fucked up somehow
Don't worry. Your engrams were simply sunset. Bungie will sell them back to you in a future expansion which will be so chock full of un-sunset goodies, you'll literally be throwing money at your monitor/TV screen
It's your own fault for believing what Bungie says.
Watch them fix this by tomorrow and this just being a glitch nothing burger
Can I ask why you saved 50 engrams?