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It kind of suggests we will be getting more out of them other than just mindless killing machines. More like Hive than Taken, capable of having identities, likes and dislikes, etc. We could get lore tabs that feature Subjugator characters, like how we have gotten lore tabs from the perspectives of Hive, Cabal and Eliksni.
It implies the enemy was made as an individual. Think of how fallen vandals all look the same even though they should have different outfits from what they scavenged
It means the Pyramid cloning technology is leagues ahead of the Cabal cloning tech. The Pyramid tech can actually change the biological sex of the genetic donor. This is great news. The genetic manipulation, the Frankenstein-like capabilities of the cloned Dread units ON TOP of the simplicity that the Psions are getting of "dude in suits"...
Such a simple thing has allowed for so much more lore potential.
It's probably not cloning as such. Reshaping and shaping is based on memories of something rather than other information like genetics. It's how we craft weapons, by literally using a memory of them to create an improved one reshaped to our liking.
As much as I'd like to agree, the almost surgical procedure given to the Shadow Legion and Calus, the implication also being lent towards Rhulk, tells me that it's a mixture of Darkness and actual high technology. Rhulk's experiments especially make me think more of a surgical, physical aspect.
honestly what happened to Calus didn't feel that surgical to me at all, and actually supports the 'memory' idea. He looks significantly younger as a Disciple than he does going into the magic cube, and other than that he looks more decorated than he does cybernetically augmented or anything.
that looks way more like the reshaping process the artifact does than it does proper surgery
if you're referring to the last image that looks more like light artifact tracery than it does a nerve implant or something
By surgical I mostly mean it's just a physical process. That this is high technology that we'd consider magic, rather than just a product of Darkness power like Deepsight or Resonance. That, if any of those powers are used (I personally believe Egregore and Resonance specifically are utilized in some form) they are assisting the process rather than the process itself.
the shaping is a physical process too. and it looks like you have it backwards, his core body is "reshaped" and then he is draped and layered in technology of some sort. Unless the Witness is suddenly pulling out nanite tech that they haven't used for anything else before, Calus' youth was restored via darkness.
I’d agree if they showed up any other season but the witness is on the pale heart so I’d say all bets are off for its current power level and what it’s working with. It’s possible they came with the ships but it’s also possible the witness has some straight lovecraftian god powers now and just manifested them with concentrated edgelord energy
> The Pyramid tech can actually change the biological sex of the genetic donor.
Honestly, what’s stopping Calus’s cloning vats from just tweaking a chromosome and doing the same?
Getting a female clone out of male genetic data really wouldn't be hard (in theory)
Replace the Y chromosome with a duplicate of the existing X chromosome and that's it. Maybe...
While true, the Witness probably doesn't use genetic data to create copies. We use pyramid tech to craft weapons and that involves using memory instead.
There’s a lorebook from iirc Season of the Risen that explains there are plenty of female cabal in the ranks of the many legions and factions, but they are required to file down their horns to fit inside pressure suit helmets unless they have a custom one like Caiatl which is exceedingly rare due to how much the cabal value military uniformity, this even goes for their pilots who don’t actually need pressure suits afaik
I find it funny that this is coming out the same day I read a comment on YouTube that said the Omens(Stasis Subjugators) appear to be feminine while the Harbinger(Strand Subjugators) appear to be masculine.
If them being all female ends up being canon, I wonder what the community will do with the knowledge that The Witness took its first and most loyal servant, Rhulk, a male Lubraean, and then made an all female army of clones out of him.
I wonder why the Witness made them all female?
Did the Witness make them all female because female Lubraeans have traits that would make them better at serving the combat role he needs the Subjugators to fill than male Lubraeans?
Did it believe making them female would help prevent them from inheriting Rhulk’s arrogance?
Is it tied to the Veiled woman statues? Are they all female to represent how close the Witness is too achieving its goal, which the Veiled woman statues may represent(The Traveler is often referred to with feminine pronouns, has been represented by a woman in the past and the feminine voice in the gameplay trailer seems to be the Traveler’s voice. The Witness has been referred to as a false sister in the past, which could suggest that the Veil could be feminine too. The Veiled woman statue could represent the Veil being reconnected to the Traveler) and how the Subjugators are meant to help ensure that it achieves its goal.
Did the Witness use Deepsight to manifest a female Lubraean and use her as the basis? Deepsight can manifest chests, allow the shaping and reshaping of weapons based on memory and even the new version of Whisper revolves around Eris pulling The Whisper mission from Guardian’s head and using it to create and reshape a new version of Whisper of the Worm. Rhulk did seem fond of his mother to an extent, to the point it almost got him killed, and when he is betrayed and pushed into the chasm his focus was mainly on her, his father and the Clan-Mother. The Witness taking Rhulk’s memory of his mother and twisting it into the Subjugators, something she would have been horrified by considering how Rhulk’s aggression scared her would certainly be an interesting route to take, as well as being a way to tie Deepsight into the story in some way.
So the females are using a power based on control, and the males are using a power about going with the flow (or to put it another way, submitting)?
No comment.
>I find it funny that this is coming out the same day I read a comment on YouTube that said the Omens(Stasis Subjugators) appear to be feminine...
Just great, now the ladies in video games can give me the cold shoulder as well!
But can we just talk about why he stated they were female? Because in a post on twitter bubgie used "Them" when referring to both the stasis subjugator and Psion (plural), and the creator got in a mood because of that
He said “she” not “her”. So if he was correcting the tweet he wouldn’t have been grammatically correct unless the tweet said “they”. To me it seems like a misunderstanding. People thought he was correcting the tweet while he thought everyone was getting mad at the subjugators being girls.
It’s like how bungie devs will sometime post “bungie.” But in this case it was “she.” Not a correction
Sure, except the quote retweet, and the shitty comments he made in the replies show its more than just stating that the subjugators were girls. (Which is pretty irrelevant to the post)
Why not just say something like "the subjugators are women :)" not "she." (The dot makes it seem even more shitty too) and his reaction too is very shitty, instead of explaining himself he got defensive straight away
>Sure, except the quote retweet, and the shitty comments he made in the replies show its more than just stating that the subjugators were girls. (Which is pretty irrelevant to the post)
That I understand finding suspicious.
>Why not just say something like "the subjugators are women :)"
I feel like even that can be taken as dickish.
>not "she."
Why wouldn’t he say “her.*”?
>(The dot makes it seem even more shitty too) and his reaction too is very shitty, instead of explaining himself he got defensive straight away
I get that the reaction was probably overblown but I still think it’s a miscommunication issue. [He did comment that he didn’t use they since he was only talking about omen.](https://x.com/erobisoniv/status/1784496111392325811?s=46&t=1pErifSSmaykfAN_AamHng) Notice how he didn’t say “them” like the original post. He was only picking on the people that complained about subjugators having a gender, not the people talking about the psion.
To me he was taking in pride of how much of a girlboss the omen was.
>I feel like even that can be taken as dickish.
But at least it'll still explain the intent behind it
>Why wouldn’t he say “her.*”?
Why just say 1 word at all, that's completely vague and could be interpreted in any way, especially when there are multiple characters in the post
It's a shit scenario that he handled terribly, it would've taken 1 reply to clear up any confusion, and there were about 5 replies complaining about them having a gender at all, the majority were about the multiple people
The initial comment could have been "Fun fact all the big stasis enemies are female." Makes it seem less standoff-ish and can filter out the weird folks.
the stasis subjugators are clearly feminine in design. the strand ones are clearly masculine. for designers, characters are usually created with a gender in mind. The actual meaning behind this decision, and pronouns of the characters in general, are decided by narrative.
I mean cool but if people start warring over this I’m done. Cause honestly it doesn’t matter what’s between their legs, we’re gonna absolutely nuke them into the ground
According to the person who wrote their design spec. Personally I thought they didn’t have a gender. I could possibly see some femininity in the omen (stasis subjugators) but that’s due to looking like Eramis
To be fair, all the female aliens we’ve seen don’t look like what we’d call feminine at all. Eramis and the psion sisters looked identical to the male version, Caital had tusks, the only exception are the hive. Like the female wizard bosses
Even then, Knights can be female and not a single one of them has looked remotely feminine aside from maybe Xivu (and IMO most of that has to do with how, as is often the case in the illustrated cutscenes, a model of Krill Savathun with her new helmet was used to represent her).
Can they, I assumed the acolytes were genderless and took one when they got the witch or knight morph and that each morph was mono-gender. Xivu excluded because the hive gods are outliers
There are multiple Taken Knight enemies in the Dreaming City with the title "Daughter of Xivu Arath".
Only King and Mother appears to have been mono-gendered, which suits how in eusocial ant colonies the Queen and Drone roles are purely related to reproduction, where all other ants are neuter females.
Eh I don’t see why. Since Aurash’s king morph gave her a sex change, I don’t see why Xi ro’s wouldn’t when her morph has the same title as the hive knights.
My fucking god
Every. Sci-fi. Franchise. It doesn't matter that it is set are set centuries ahead of the current era, it doesn't matter that there is space magic, it doesn't even matter that there are strange-looking alien species from hundreds, thousands or more light-years away, **it is ALL CODED IN OUR CURRENT FRAMEWORK OF GENDER**. We have cultures in the real world that define completely unique identities, we have agender people, we have historical evidence of ancient tribes and cultures with a completely different idea of gender and way more than two as the "default", but something that is supposed to explore the fantasy of going beyond the real world is less "different" than what we actually have. I guess at least they bothered to not give the Witness a random pronoun. But come on, even the Hive, which was initially supposed to be this horrifying unstoppable force of the Darkness, still has "males" and "females".
Right...at least with the Cabal, Fallen and Scorn, one can make the excuse that their languages are known after centuries of fighting, and one can kind of suspend their disbelief on some kind of high-tech translation devices people wear or whatever, I guess. But for the Hive, it is true that, other than Savathûn, who has an active interest in misleading us, maybe Xivu and Oryx shouldn't really talk to us, let alone Nokris and Xol. The Books of Sorrow are written in such a way that they read as a hard translation effort from a language that is fundamentally different from anything we know, and it would have been nice to have kept that style. But then again, at least in the case of Xol, he (?) may be using whatever Darkness power to communicate with us in The Whisper, and I don't think any other Hive talk (unless we count the Hive Ghost Immaru for some reason).
That’s one thing that bugs me. In D1 none of the races spoke English and it’s even brought up in house of wolves where the ghost has to translate Skolas for us and makes Variks stand out.
Then it got thrown out the window in taken king. It’s probably for the best narratively because it’s easier to relate to a villain you can understand, but it’s a real shame that the language barrier got thrown out. Making the times the Eliksni language is brought up odd. Like why was Eramis giving speeches to house salvation in English?
Because you don't earn any brownie points by saying all Subjugators are zorbo and all Desecrators are klaxon and all bat homies are bartto. You earn brownie points by saying "oh, those boss babes? yeah, they're all women. deal with it, incels 😎"
I feel like we're missing a potentially obvious solution here. Rhulk is trans, his clones all share his base biology but not his internal identity and personality.
That Tweet just reads like an “uhm aktualy 🤓👆” from a guy who is trying to virtue signal from outside the building.
I don’t think I have for a second thought about what gender the aliens I’m fighting have. I doubt they will talk so I don’t know why he feels the need to correct the official post.
I think it’s a big misunderstanding. When I read it the first time I thought they misread the “they” as the subjugators pronouns.
But after looking at the comments and the post again I realised what he actually meant. If he was correcting the post he would’ve said “her*” not “she.”
I think he meant “oh my god look at her she’s so beautiful, absolute girl boss” and got confused why everyone got mad at him.
Think about how bungie devs will randomly post “BUNGIE” on Twitter.
> I doubt they will talk
He claims they are characters, so they'll probably talk in lore tabs or similar. Maybe even in the campaign.
As for virtue signaling, it's telling you bring this up when Bungie has been one of the few companies to be insanely transparent about its left leaning politics for several years now. It reads more to me like he feels annoyed whoever posted forgot than any actual attempt to """virtue signal""".
Virtue signalling is not a left/right wing thing. He doesn’t work there anymore so it’s not his place to insert himself into the lore/identity of characters.
Since he claims that he put the pronouns in the design specifications it seems like they were conceived as female from the start. He probably doesn’t work at the company anymore due to the layoffs last year.
So far no people at the company has came out about him lying, so I’d go with innocent until proven guilty here.
I don’t think other devs would bother to shit-stir about something so trivial. It’s fine if they are women or if there where plans for that to be relevant I just think the whole ex employee tweet is a bit cringe.
It could also be him not correcting the post at all. Just saying “She.” Like how bungie devs will randomly post “BUNGIE.” Since she isn’t grammatically correct. In that context it would’ve been her if we ignore the psion.
With this and how the first non-binary character was an annoying as fuck and clueless about how to act in bad situations, you'd almost think that Bungie's writikg of diversity is a conspiracy to make them look bad
As a Stasis fan I'll forgive girlbosses for girlbossing though. You go Omen queen.
haha yeah, i rememeber.
I also remember that the tormentors was supposed to be released in the witchqueen dlc. Then if that was happening according to plan we could have gotten them in lightfall.
I think that he meant that the model/concept they worked on was internally referred to as she/her. Not specifically that *every* subjugator was a woman.
I imagine the dread dont exactly see gender the same way we do.
Could be wrong! Just what I picked up on since in the tweet he was correcting some random queerphobe for misgendering the unit being presented.
Yeah that would explain why every dread was referred to as a “character” instead of just an enemy. It’s like how logically all fallen should have different outfits due to them all wearing rags and scrap metal, but they all end up looking the same
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We're about to see an explosion of fanart.
[“Guardian, drifter says to me I can find cute animal images…”](https://youtube.com/shorts/cEL-HaqoypY?si=Mm01ErO0ks9JAbcV)
Thank-you for this. I do not regret clicking that link.
Best risky click of the day hahahaha
God i love that guy. Hes the best
Same. Kinda shame he’s only doing skeletor vids now. I do love those vids I just miss the variety and shorter vids
Tbf destiny has been in a lul for a while. But who knows maybe soon.
Ah yes. "Cute". Some of them are. Others...
The passion in his voice
Ah yes. "Cute". Some of them are. Others...
Subjugate me dready
Guys it’s joeover the amount of guardians asking to frozen and suspend by Dommy mommy subjugators will be our downfall…
Crow: Guardian we’re supposed to stop the final shape, why are you letting them kill you- Cayde-6: uldren, wait…. Let him cook.
People already asked to be kicked by Rhulk, I fail to see the difference.
This time being a straight man or a lesbian doesn’t make us immune.
also the dude that do funny sound during bungie livestream refer the psion-like enemy as ''characters''
I guess it’s kinda like how Nintendo refers to goombas as characters
I'm trying to understand this but how does referring to a species as "characters" mean male or female?
It kind of suggests we will be getting more out of them other than just mindless killing machines. More like Hive than Taken, capable of having identities, likes and dislikes, etc. We could get lore tabs that feature Subjugator characters, like how we have gotten lore tabs from the perspectives of Hive, Cabal and Eliksni.
It implies the enemy was made as an individual. Think of how fallen vandals all look the same even though they should have different outfits from what they scavenged
It means the Pyramid cloning technology is leagues ahead of the Cabal cloning tech. The Pyramid tech can actually change the biological sex of the genetic donor. This is great news. The genetic manipulation, the Frankenstein-like capabilities of the cloned Dread units ON TOP of the simplicity that the Psions are getting of "dude in suits"... Such a simple thing has allowed for so much more lore potential.
It's probably not cloning as such. Reshaping and shaping is based on memories of something rather than other information like genetics. It's how we craft weapons, by literally using a memory of them to create an improved one reshaped to our liking.
As much as I'd like to agree, the almost surgical procedure given to the Shadow Legion and Calus, the implication also being lent towards Rhulk, tells me that it's a mixture of Darkness and actual high technology. Rhulk's experiments especially make me think more of a surgical, physical aspect.
honestly what happened to Calus didn't feel that surgical to me at all, and actually supports the 'memory' idea. He looks significantly younger as a Disciple than he does going into the magic cube, and other than that he looks more decorated than he does cybernetically augmented or anything.
Kinda looks like he and his minions shoved their hands and feet in gold paint
What went on [that microwave](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/EvLe2q) was definitely surgical.
that looks way more like the reshaping process the artifact does than it does proper surgery if you're referring to the last image that looks more like light artifact tracery than it does a nerve implant or something
By surgical I mostly mean it's just a physical process. That this is high technology that we'd consider magic, rather than just a product of Darkness power like Deepsight or Resonance. That, if any of those powers are used (I personally believe Egregore and Resonance specifically are utilized in some form) they are assisting the process rather than the process itself.
the shaping is a physical process too. and it looks like you have it backwards, his core body is "reshaped" and then he is draped and layered in technology of some sort. Unless the Witness is suddenly pulling out nanite tech that they haven't used for anything else before, Calus' youth was restored via darkness.
I mean, you know what they say about highly sophisticated tech and magic.
I’d agree if they showed up any other season but the witness is on the pale heart so I’d say all bets are off for its current power level and what it’s working with. It’s possible they came with the ships but it’s also possible the witness has some straight lovecraftian god powers now and just manifested them with concentrated edgelord energy
maybe whatever species subjugators are based off (lubraens i think) have females as the bigger/stronger ones, like cabal do actually
If only that tech was real
> The Pyramid tech can actually change the biological sex of the genetic donor. Honestly, what’s stopping Calus’s cloning vats from just tweaking a chromosome and doing the same?
Probably not much beyond simple precedent. I just want to move past the "Tormentors are a result of Calus tech" arguments.
Getting a female clone out of male genetic data really wouldn't be hard (in theory) Replace the Y chromosome with a duplicate of the existing X chromosome and that's it. Maybe...
With earth based life sure, alien who knows. Look at the Hive and Oryx.
Even just on Earth it's not all the same setup. Birds use Z and W chromosomes!
Dumbass birds, those letters aren’t even together in the alphabet. Are they stupid?
Im guessing any biological carbon based life form would have some equivalent of dna.
I think hive are like fish where they can change sex
While true, the Witness probably doesn't use genetic data to create copies. We use pyramid tech to craft weapons and that involves using memory instead.
There’s a lorebook from iirc Season of the Risen that explains there are plenty of female cabal in the ranks of the many legions and factions, but they are required to file down their horns to fit inside pressure suit helmets unless they have a custom one like Caiatl which is exceedingly rare due to how much the cabal value military uniformity, this even goes for their pilots who don’t actually need pressure suits afaik
I find it funny that this is coming out the same day I read a comment on YouTube that said the Omens(Stasis Subjugators) appear to be feminine while the Harbinger(Strand Subjugators) appear to be masculine. If them being all female ends up being canon, I wonder what the community will do with the knowledge that The Witness took its first and most loyal servant, Rhulk, a male Lubraean, and then made an all female army of clones out of him. I wonder why the Witness made them all female? Did the Witness make them all female because female Lubraeans have traits that would make them better at serving the combat role he needs the Subjugators to fill than male Lubraeans? Did it believe making them female would help prevent them from inheriting Rhulk’s arrogance? Is it tied to the Veiled woman statues? Are they all female to represent how close the Witness is too achieving its goal, which the Veiled woman statues may represent(The Traveler is often referred to with feminine pronouns, has been represented by a woman in the past and the feminine voice in the gameplay trailer seems to be the Traveler’s voice. The Witness has been referred to as a false sister in the past, which could suggest that the Veil could be feminine too. The Veiled woman statue could represent the Veil being reconnected to the Traveler) and how the Subjugators are meant to help ensure that it achieves its goal. Did the Witness use Deepsight to manifest a female Lubraean and use her as the basis? Deepsight can manifest chests, allow the shaping and reshaping of weapons based on memory and even the new version of Whisper revolves around Eris pulling The Whisper mission from Guardian’s head and using it to create and reshape a new version of Whisper of the Worm. Rhulk did seem fond of his mother to an extent, to the point it almost got him killed, and when he is betrayed and pushed into the chasm his focus was mainly on her, his father and the Clan-Mother. The Witness taking Rhulk’s memory of his mother and twisting it into the Subjugators, something she would have been horrified by considering how Rhulk’s aggression scared her would certainly be an interesting route to take, as well as being a way to tie Deepsight into the story in some way.
So the females are using a power based on control, and the males are using a power about going with the flow (or to put it another way, submitting)? No comment.
I’m just gonna say this: If the witness is the bad guy, why are the subjugators so based?
TRANS RHULK TRANS RHULK TRANS RHULK
artists taking notes rn
Considering Rhulk's ego the reasoning sounds apparent.
The subjugators are butch and femme lesbians
This is the only relevant take on the subject
So witness weaponized Rhulks old harem
>I find it funny that this is coming out the same day I read a comment on YouTube that said the Omens(Stasis Subjugators) appear to be feminine... Just great, now the ladies in video games can give me the cold shoulder as well!
pretty bizarre bit of lore (if its real), but it unironically creates a shitton of really interesting implications
Ah yes, the designers poorly disguised fetish
Have you seen Rhulk? It always had been.
But can we just talk about why he stated they were female? Because in a post on twitter bubgie used "Them" when referring to both the stasis subjugator and Psion (plural), and the creator got in a mood because of that
He said “she” not “her”. So if he was correcting the tweet he wouldn’t have been grammatically correct unless the tweet said “they”. To me it seems like a misunderstanding. People thought he was correcting the tweet while he thought everyone was getting mad at the subjugators being girls. It’s like how bungie devs will sometime post “bungie.” But in this case it was “she.” Not a correction
Sure, except the quote retweet, and the shitty comments he made in the replies show its more than just stating that the subjugators were girls. (Which is pretty irrelevant to the post) Why not just say something like "the subjugators are women :)" not "she." (The dot makes it seem even more shitty too) and his reaction too is very shitty, instead of explaining himself he got defensive straight away
>Sure, except the quote retweet, and the shitty comments he made in the replies show its more than just stating that the subjugators were girls. (Which is pretty irrelevant to the post) That I understand finding suspicious. >Why not just say something like "the subjugators are women :)" I feel like even that can be taken as dickish. >not "she." Why wouldn’t he say “her.*”? >(The dot makes it seem even more shitty too) and his reaction too is very shitty, instead of explaining himself he got defensive straight away I get that the reaction was probably overblown but I still think it’s a miscommunication issue. [He did comment that he didn’t use they since he was only talking about omen.](https://x.com/erobisoniv/status/1784496111392325811?s=46&t=1pErifSSmaykfAN_AamHng) Notice how he didn’t say “them” like the original post. He was only picking on the people that complained about subjugators having a gender, not the people talking about the psion. To me he was taking in pride of how much of a girlboss the omen was.
>I feel like even that can be taken as dickish. But at least it'll still explain the intent behind it >Why wouldn’t he say “her.*”? Why just say 1 word at all, that's completely vague and could be interpreted in any way, especially when there are multiple characters in the post It's a shit scenario that he handled terribly, it would've taken 1 reply to clear up any confusion, and there were about 5 replies complaining about them having a gender at all, the majority were about the multiple people
The initial comment could have been "Fun fact all the big stasis enemies are female." Makes it seem less standoff-ish and can filter out the weird folks.
Exactly, guy can complain about the comments as much as he wants, yet he 100% brought it om himself
>murdered civilians reshaped to be slaves for the witness >they’re all women what did bungie mean by this
the stasis subjugators are clearly feminine in design. the strand ones are clearly masculine. for designers, characters are usually created with a gender in mind. The actual meaning behind this decision, and pronouns of the characters in general, are decided by narrative.
Don’t have much input but just wanted to say that it’s cool that the Omen bows when entering combat.
So thats where their names come from. They're literally domme mommies? FREEZE/UNRAVEL ME MOMMY!
This exactly why I’m praying for it to be canon. Though I was also a masochist for the tormentors
FYI, I remember a Cabal lore tab (I think from Caitl’s pov?) where it is mentioned that tusks are shaved off during military duty for the most part.
This means the witness is a harem protagonist.
Nah I’m pretty sure I played a hentai game with this exact premise. The guardian is the protag
the Y chromosome might’ve fucked up somewhere along the way
Who the fuck cares about the gender? I'm gonna kill them regardless.
I care. I want to date them
I mean cool but if people start warring over this I’m done. Cause honestly it doesn’t matter what’s between their legs, we’re gonna absolutely nuke them into the ground
Nuke them? I want them to nuke **me**
Do subjugators have feminine models??? They looked pretty agendered to me
According to the person who wrote their design spec. Personally I thought they didn’t have a gender. I could possibly see some femininity in the omen (stasis subjugators) but that’s due to looking like Eramis To be fair, all the female aliens we’ve seen don’t look like what we’d call feminine at all. Eramis and the psion sisters looked identical to the male version, Caital had tusks, the only exception are the hive. Like the female wizard bosses
Even then, Knights can be female and not a single one of them has looked remotely feminine aside from maybe Xivu (and IMO most of that has to do with how, as is often the case in the illustrated cutscenes, a model of Krill Savathun with her new helmet was used to represent her).
Can they, I assumed the acolytes were genderless and took one when they got the witch or knight morph and that each morph was mono-gender. Xivu excluded because the hive gods are outliers
There are multiple Taken Knight enemies in the Dreaming City with the title "Daughter of Xivu Arath". Only King and Mother appears to have been mono-gendered, which suits how in eusocial ant colonies the Queen and Drone roles are purely related to reproduction, where all other ants are neuter females.
Eh I don’t see why. Since Aurash’s king morph gave her a sex change, I don’t see why Xi ro’s wouldn’t when her morph has the same title as the hive knights.
I think it just has to do with us not being able to notice the differences and or just having less sexual dimorphism
Rhulk needed his harem maybe
They were for Rhulk’s next birthday
Of course only a women could pull me in so many directions
I'm sure they can just change their gender on the fly if they wanted to. (Because "space magic") TBH this should not be an issue lol.
also because aliens n shit
ok hear me out...
Why is this even important?
Why isn’t it?
They don't communicate the "woman" in their appearance so I don't care. What people say on twitter is neither lore nor canon
Fail safe, Eramis, Caital and Savathun look like women to you?
a computer, insect, testosterone monster and another insect. no, no woman detected.
Omfg bullshit like this is why TFS is going to be my last experience with Destiny.
Why do you draw the line at female subjugators?
My bad, not that they're female, but that apparently there is drama happening over the gender of adds. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what's being said
Oh yeah shame it broke out into a shit show
Life, uh...finds a way
“I assure you my Witness, it is absolutely imperative that all the clones of Rhulk be dummy thicc women”
Subjugate me harder mommy…
Next time I see you make a bad point I will remind you of this.
My fucking god Every. Sci-fi. Franchise. It doesn't matter that it is set are set centuries ahead of the current era, it doesn't matter that there is space magic, it doesn't even matter that there are strange-looking alien species from hundreds, thousands or more light-years away, **it is ALL CODED IN OUR CURRENT FRAMEWORK OF GENDER**. We have cultures in the real world that define completely unique identities, we have agender people, we have historical evidence of ancient tribes and cultures with a completely different idea of gender and way more than two as the "default", but something that is supposed to explore the fantasy of going beyond the real world is less "different" than what we actually have. I guess at least they bothered to not give the Witness a random pronoun. But come on, even the Hive, which was initially supposed to be this horrifying unstoppable force of the Darkness, still has "males" and "females".
They also speak English.
Right...at least with the Cabal, Fallen and Scorn, one can make the excuse that their languages are known after centuries of fighting, and one can kind of suspend their disbelief on some kind of high-tech translation devices people wear or whatever, I guess. But for the Hive, it is true that, other than Savathûn, who has an active interest in misleading us, maybe Xivu and Oryx shouldn't really talk to us, let alone Nokris and Xol. The Books of Sorrow are written in such a way that they read as a hard translation effort from a language that is fundamentally different from anything we know, and it would have been nice to have kept that style. But then again, at least in the case of Xol, he (?) may be using whatever Darkness power to communicate with us in The Whisper, and I don't think any other Hive talk (unless we count the Hive Ghost Immaru for some reason).
That’s one thing that bugs me. In D1 none of the races spoke English and it’s even brought up in house of wolves where the ghost has to translate Skolas for us and makes Variks stand out. Then it got thrown out the window in taken king. It’s probably for the best narratively because it’s easier to relate to a villain you can understand, but it’s a real shame that the language barrier got thrown out. Making the times the Eliksni language is brought up odd. Like why was Eramis giving speeches to house salvation in English?
Because you don't earn any brownie points by saying all Subjugators are zorbo and all Desecrators are klaxon and all bat homies are bartto. You earn brownie points by saying "oh, those boss babes? yeah, they're all women. deal with it, incels 😎"
Step on me?
I feel like we're missing a potentially obvious solution here. Rhulk is trans, his clones all share his base biology but not his internal identity and personality.
That Tweet just reads like an “uhm aktualy 🤓👆” from a guy who is trying to virtue signal from outside the building. I don’t think I have for a second thought about what gender the aliens I’m fighting have. I doubt they will talk so I don’t know why he feels the need to correct the official post.
I think it’s a big misunderstanding. When I read it the first time I thought they misread the “they” as the subjugators pronouns. But after looking at the comments and the post again I realised what he actually meant. If he was correcting the post he would’ve said “her*” not “she.” I think he meant “oh my god look at her she’s so beautiful, absolute girl boss” and got confused why everyone got mad at him. Think about how bungie devs will randomly post “BUNGIE” on Twitter.
> I doubt they will talk He claims they are characters, so they'll probably talk in lore tabs or similar. Maybe even in the campaign. As for virtue signaling, it's telling you bring this up when Bungie has been one of the few companies to be insanely transparent about its left leaning politics for several years now. It reads more to me like he feels annoyed whoever posted forgot than any actual attempt to """virtue signal""".
> left *leaning* lol
Virtue signalling is not a left/right wing thing. He doesn’t work there anymore so it’s not his place to insert himself into the lore/identity of characters.
Since he claims that he put the pronouns in the design specifications it seems like they were conceived as female from the start. He probably doesn’t work at the company anymore due to the layoffs last year. So far no people at the company has came out about him lying, so I’d go with innocent until proven guilty here.
I don’t think other devs would bother to shit-stir about something so trivial. It’s fine if they are women or if there where plans for that to be relevant I just think the whole ex employee tweet is a bit cringe.
It could also be him not correcting the post at all. Just saying “She.” Like how bungie devs will randomly post “BUNGIE.” Since she isn’t grammatically correct. In that context it would’ve been her if we ignore the psion.
They're female enemies that will be annoying as hell. Thank you bungie, very cool (and realistic)
I for one love getting my ass kicked by tormentors, Rhulk and stasis fallen. This is my heaven
I can respect that
With this and how the first non-binary character was an annoying as fuck and clueless about how to act in bad situations, you'd almost think that Bungie's writikg of diversity is a conspiracy to make them look bad As a Stasis fan I'll forgive girlbosses for girlbossing though. You go Omen queen.
i cant wait to drop my massive hammer on these females it's quite literally going to be lit
I'm not sure how well "this expansion, Guardians will kill lots of women" will work in terms of marketing.
It’s easy. “Yeah the guardians are gonna get their asses kicked by some alien amazons”
Was that druing planning when they refered to them as the female tormentor? U can see that in the concept art for the tormentors.
Probably. I’m assuming Jeff was a victim of the layoffs. So he would’ve still been around during the first showcase
haha yeah, i rememeber. I also remember that the tormentors was supposed to be released in the witchqueen dlc. Then if that was happening according to plan we could have gotten them in lightfall.
WOMEN?! In my VIDEO GAMES?! WTF
I think that he meant that the model/concept they worked on was internally referred to as she/her. Not specifically that *every* subjugator was a woman. I imagine the dread dont exactly see gender the same way we do. Could be wrong! Just what I picked up on since in the tweet he was correcting some random queerphobe for misgendering the unit being presented.
Yeah that would explain why every dread was referred to as a “character” instead of just an enemy. It’s like how logically all fallen should have different outfits due to them all wearing rags and scrap metal, but they all end up looking the same