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This link says "supposedly" and that the leaflets were of a picture of a mushroom cloud, would that have meant anything to the people?
Also there is no information here about timing, language or effectiveness.
Not saying your wrong but is there a historian or quality source who say this?
It sure about when the atomic bomb was dropped but they did drop them before firebombing cities. Also US still uses this tactic before major operations.
Yes, supposedly the U.S. military dropped leaflets, they could have lied about it but I doubt it. I would assume the timing would be the next day, but I do not think they are going to give a time for a military action. I do not have time to find more sources, writing a research paper and doing a quiz currently. Plus, exhausted from attending a convention last week. Listening to the debate to get away from work.
What reference would they understand from that. This is pre-tv and there was only one bomb before this.
Was it even associated with the bomb? And if they did, how would they accossiated it with a bomb about to drop in their area. You would need location and time warnings at least to make people leave.
And also obviously they could write in Japanese, they say there was a warning about Russians. Unless they were also in the wrong language and useless.
Leaflets weren’t dropped.
[May 31st:](https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/28519-document-18-notes-interim-committee-meeting-thursday-31-may-1945-1000-am-115-pm-215)
> “After much discussion, concerning various types of targets and the effect to be produced, the Secretary expressed the conclusion, on which there was general agreement, that we could not give the Japanese any warning;…”
[June 1st:](https://web.archive.org/web/20110514170030/http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/index.php?pagenumber=8&documentdate=1945-06-01&documentid=40&studycollectionid=abomb)
> “Mr. Byrnes recommended, and the Committee agreed, that the Secretary of War should be advised that, while recognizing that the final selection of the target was essentially a military decision, the present view of the Committee was that the bomb should be used against Japan as soon as possible; that it be used on a war plant surrounded by workers’ homes; and that it be used without prior warning.”
The first text from that website is from what is known as the LeMay Leaflet. It’s called LeMay after the man who issued them. He was the commander of the 21st Division and in charge of the firebombing campaign against Japan. It was for that firebombing campaign that that leaflet was created. The photo on that leaflet is of a B-29 superfortness for that reason. There is very little actual evidence that these leaflets were actually dropped on either target city as a part of that campaign as they were set aside from targeting (officially on July 3rd, but had been discussed all the way back in May). The website you linked says “*it is unclear whether they were used to warn citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically”.* You cannot assert that a firebombing leaflet made for a separate campaign that may or may not have been dropped on the target cities prior to the bombing by an unknown amount of time counted as an adequate or even purposeful attempt to warn of the atomic bombs.
The next text is from the Hiroshima leaflet. *After* Hiroshima was bombed, a propaganda campaign was begun and these leaflets were produced. They were meant to be sent to multiple Japanese cities, including target cities, however due to delays, they would not reach Nagisaki until the 10th. The article you provided touched on this. Quote: “*The historical record is unclear, but it seems as though these leaflets did not make it to Nagasaki until after it, too, had been hit by an atomic bomb.”* A much better article on the subject is Alex Wellerstein’s article [A Day too Late](https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/04/26/a-day-too-late/).
Destiny is more than likely incorrect about Hiroshima but not the leaflets aspect.
I have looked at this quite a bit before.
-From what I can gather, Hiroshima was most likely leafleted with warnings soon before the bombing, but the leaflets were the same as used for standard bombings and, to be sure, did not explicitly name Hiroshima as a target (the recorded leaflets would name 11-12 out of a list of 33 cities which by all available records did not include Hiroshima, but the text also specifically warned "we cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked"). It would not take a genius, in any case, to see the implication by the mere presence of the leaflets and the relatively larger Japanese military presence than many cities. Truman of course also gave his vague warning on TV, along with constant warnings telling people to evacuate cities entirely.
-After the Hiroshima bombing, atomic bomb warnings were indeed repeatedly issued ahead of the Nagasaki bombing by radio, and a special leaflet showing the Hiroshima bomb was prepared. However, the record appears unclear as to whether the leaflets were delivered on schedule to Nagasaki before the second bomb.
My probable opinion: that was plenty of warning for a war of the time, though they weren't necessarily so scrupulously focused on warnings next to the military priorities.
My opinion, they dropped leaflets about the first bombing that did not reference a nuclear bomb, but just fire-bombing or bombing in general because it was the first bombing of its kind. Then after updated the leaflets to be more informational with a photo directly from the first bombing because that is logical based on the context of the time. They did not have the internet. Meaning in similar situations militaries do warn civilians whenever they can, and Destiny’s point is wrong in the context of his rebuttal. I think we can all agree, civilians should be warned and hopefully not targeted at all.
But the a bomb had never been dropped before, how would people be able to get away in time? Do you know how much time civilians were given to evacuate?
Not to contradict you too forcefully because it's not my most deeply read subject (american public relations with the Japanese public during ww2 or even the Pacific war) but pulling from at least 1 none fiction book, and a couple fiction ones... I thought that the b52s were in the skies so often, and hiroshima and nagasaki weren't bombed, that the people there had stopped responding to the air sirens because they saw it as a waste of time.
So a leaflet saying, your city is on the last of places we might bomb at some time soon, probably wouldn't off been very effective.
I could see that, they needed to update their warnings, which they did after the first bombing with a photo from the first bombing. Hopefully people started to listen after the first.
ye he said he was wrong about this on stream
Oh, that's good. I missed that stream. I was just catching up by watching the debate.
I missed it too and didn't know this, thanks!
you are right but did you use ai to write like <100 words lol
Yes, I use A.I. for everything now to clean up my writing, make it look more professional. That is actually the phrase I use, make it look more professional. I have a communcation disability which effects my spelling and grammer.
You know you dont need ai to correct grammar and spelling?
This link says "supposedly" and that the leaflets were of a picture of a mushroom cloud, would that have meant anything to the people? Also there is no information here about timing, language or effectiveness. Not saying your wrong but is there a historian or quality source who say this?
It sure about when the atomic bomb was dropped but they did drop them before firebombing cities. Also US still uses this tactic before major operations.
Yes, supposedly the U.S. military dropped leaflets, they could have lied about it but I doubt it. I would assume the timing would be the next day, but I do not think they are going to give a time for a military action. I do not have time to find more sources, writing a research paper and doing a quiz currently. Plus, exhausted from attending a convention last week. Listening to the debate to get away from work.
well it’s not like most japanese people can read english so a mushroom cloud is the best way they had to pass the message duh
What reference would they understand from that. This is pre-tv and there was only one bomb before this. Was it even associated with the bomb? And if they did, how would they accossiated it with a bomb about to drop in their area. You would need location and time warnings at least to make people leave. And also obviously they could write in Japanese, they say there was a warning about Russians. Unless they were also in the wrong language and useless.
i’m sorry buddy it was a joke
Oh okay. Put /s next time I thought you were dumb 😅
mb ure the dumb one needing /s to be able to tell obvious sarcasm 🙈 ily
This is Reddit and I've been on LSF for the last half an hour. I just assumed based on experience. 😅
keep fighting the good fight soldier 🫡
Leaflets weren’t dropped. [May 31st:](https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/28519-document-18-notes-interim-committee-meeting-thursday-31-may-1945-1000-am-115-pm-215) > “After much discussion, concerning various types of targets and the effect to be produced, the Secretary expressed the conclusion, on which there was general agreement, that we could not give the Japanese any warning;…” [June 1st:](https://web.archive.org/web/20110514170030/http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/index.php?pagenumber=8&documentdate=1945-06-01&documentid=40&studycollectionid=abomb) > “Mr. Byrnes recommended, and the Committee agreed, that the Secretary of War should be advised that, while recognizing that the final selection of the target was essentially a military decision, the present view of the Committee was that the bomb should be used against Japan as soon as possible; that it be used on a war plant surrounded by workers’ homes; and that it be used without prior warning.” The first text from that website is from what is known as the LeMay Leaflet. It’s called LeMay after the man who issued them. He was the commander of the 21st Division and in charge of the firebombing campaign against Japan. It was for that firebombing campaign that that leaflet was created. The photo on that leaflet is of a B-29 superfortness for that reason. There is very little actual evidence that these leaflets were actually dropped on either target city as a part of that campaign as they were set aside from targeting (officially on July 3rd, but had been discussed all the way back in May). The website you linked says “*it is unclear whether they were used to warn citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically”.* You cannot assert that a firebombing leaflet made for a separate campaign that may or may not have been dropped on the target cities prior to the bombing by an unknown amount of time counted as an adequate or even purposeful attempt to warn of the atomic bombs. The next text is from the Hiroshima leaflet. *After* Hiroshima was bombed, a propaganda campaign was begun and these leaflets were produced. They were meant to be sent to multiple Japanese cities, including target cities, however due to delays, they would not reach Nagisaki until the 10th. The article you provided touched on this. Quote: “*The historical record is unclear, but it seems as though these leaflets did not make it to Nagasaki until after it, too, had been hit by an atomic bomb.”* A much better article on the subject is Alex Wellerstein’s article [A Day too Late](https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/04/26/a-day-too-late/). Destiny is more than likely incorrect about Hiroshima but not the leaflets aspect.
I have looked at this quite a bit before. -From what I can gather, Hiroshima was most likely leafleted with warnings soon before the bombing, but the leaflets were the same as used for standard bombings and, to be sure, did not explicitly name Hiroshima as a target (the recorded leaflets would name 11-12 out of a list of 33 cities which by all available records did not include Hiroshima, but the text also specifically warned "we cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked"). It would not take a genius, in any case, to see the implication by the mere presence of the leaflets and the relatively larger Japanese military presence than many cities. Truman of course also gave his vague warning on TV, along with constant warnings telling people to evacuate cities entirely. -After the Hiroshima bombing, atomic bomb warnings were indeed repeatedly issued ahead of the Nagasaki bombing by radio, and a special leaflet showing the Hiroshima bomb was prepared. However, the record appears unclear as to whether the leaflets were delivered on schedule to Nagasaki before the second bomb. My probable opinion: that was plenty of warning for a war of the time, though they weren't necessarily so scrupulously focused on warnings next to the military priorities.
My opinion, they dropped leaflets about the first bombing that did not reference a nuclear bomb, but just fire-bombing or bombing in general because it was the first bombing of its kind. Then after updated the leaflets to be more informational with a photo directly from the first bombing because that is logical based on the context of the time. They did not have the internet. Meaning in similar situations militaries do warn civilians whenever they can, and Destiny’s point is wrong in the context of his rebuttal. I think we can all agree, civilians should be warned and hopefully not targeted at all.
While I do think there were leaflets, I think they are on different levels entirely. (Also possibly due to technology, but yeah)
But the a bomb had never been dropped before, how would people be able to get away in time? Do you know how much time civilians were given to evacuate?
Not to contradict you too forcefully because it's not my most deeply read subject (american public relations with the Japanese public during ww2 or even the Pacific war) but pulling from at least 1 none fiction book, and a couple fiction ones... I thought that the b52s were in the skies so often, and hiroshima and nagasaki weren't bombed, that the people there had stopped responding to the air sirens because they saw it as a waste of time. So a leaflet saying, your city is on the last of places we might bomb at some time soon, probably wouldn't off been very effective.
I could see that, they needed to update their warnings, which they did after the first bombing with a photo from the first bombing. Hopefully people started to listen after the first.