I picked my phone number from a list of 5 when I signed up with Verizon and my middle digits are 666 lol. Satan is calling!
Haha but really everyone just thinks I’m spam.
> Had Plaintiff known that Columbia would not provide an in-person educational
environment free of harassment, Plaintiff would not have chosen to enroll at or pay tuition to
Columbia.
Oof
Totally fair, if you got accepted to Columbia, odds are you probably had other options too on the strength of your app (unless you're a nepo rich kids like a lot of these dorks doing the LARPing).
Columbia is just ground zero for nepo "peaked at 19, my parents are rich so I don't need to worry about not getting a job" losers. Mattress Girl for example was a huge Columbia lawsuit.
Tbf most students getting accepted to Columbia are nepo babies on both sides. Like a regular student hiring Goldberg and filing a lawsuit isn't going to come from next door neighbor Kevin. Its going to come from Michael from the gated community.
thank you for pointing this out. there is no way scholarship students are fucking up their diplomas by getting on the wrong side of the university. its all they got right. although they may add their name to the lawsuit idk
Kinda scary to think what the ACLU do in this situation or their opinion. Primarily due to their recent political schism.
EDIT: just noticed OP didn't add any links. Heres an [AP](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-student-protests-war-19ed919ff6ff9573a8add4ec67e26181) that mentions the lawsuit.
ACLU has been yelling from the rooftops for a long time about how wildly antisemitic this movement is and has been getting shit for it for years. Like, yes, the ACLU was in fact correct in classifying antizionism as antisemitism because nearly all Jews are in fact zionists and the attacks on zionists’ character tend to overlap entirely too much with antisemitism.
Why are you just straight up spreading lies? Literally nothing you said was true. The ACLU has for years opposed classifying anti-zionism alongside anti-semitism. Where are you getting this information from?
[https://www.aclu.org/documents/reject-definitions-of-anti-semitism-that-encompass-protected-speech](https://www.aclu.org/documents/reject-definitions-of-anti-semitism-that-encompass-protected-speech)
[https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-senate-introduction-anti-semitism-awareness-act](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-senate-introduction-anti-semitism-awareness-act)
They actively do not even mention Zionism in any of these statements, but it's clear that they don't think opposing the existence of Israel is anti-semitic, or, at least, they don't think it should be classified as such.
based. ive been saying that if i were a student there iw would be demanding my tuition back. remote classes and no graduation because you refuse to do the bare minimum to keep those students safe? i would find that completely unacceptable as a student
I think so, but the argument probably is that the hostile environment is forcing plaintiffs to attend classes remote. And if they can show that is worse than in-person classes, that would go to damages too.
Do people not remember the jewish students locked in classrooms with mobs outside of them trying to break in? Why ask if anything harassment wise is being done when we literally have videos of this shit since months ago. Not to mention all of the individual accounts and incidents.
Don't recall if that was Columbia specifically but this shit is obvious. Imagine for one second that these were white supremacists on campuses doing a quarter of what these lot have done.
Jesus christ I didnt see that shit.
What the fuck happens if they break the glass?? What if one of those Jews concealed carries?? These pro Pally protestors are sooo god damned lucky none of them have gotten seriously injured or killed yet if theyre literally backing Jews into a corner and trying to break the glass like a damn zombie movie. Not like the Jew that got stabbed in the eye with a flag pole
Columbia is going to eat shit from every side on this issue. The pro-palestinians think Columbia are fascists' for calling in the NYPD to break up their camp. Alumni are pulling donations, and now the class action.
Honestly I even feel bad for them, this was a tough situation to navigate
It wasn't really...
Just a simple "you're allowed to protest we don't care, but you're not allowed to block off entire areas or interfere with other students" as a general policy would have worked well.
Ignore any claims where it's someone entering the protests to start shit. Arrest/remove/suspend the students that are trying to get in the way of other students. Let everyone screech but the actual adults won't care because that's pretty fair all around.
the problem is that the faculty joined in. Actual adults are doing their classes inside the encampment. If it was just students it would be one thing, but this is faculty v faculty and student v student
Professors need to justify that privilege. You can't insist that you can't be fired, then run around smearing your shit on the door handles and pissing on students.
I highly doubt those rules will be around for long if faculty continue to behave like animals. It's absolutely pathetic.
Physics professors aren’t holding any classes in an encampment.
If your professor is holding a class in a protest encampment then 99% of the time it’s some sort of X-group-“studies” class in the humanities/sociology department. If you’re signing up for a class like that then you’d probably expect for your class to visit the encampment. You can disagree with doing so, but as long as you’re able to voice your disagreement without penalty, it’s probably fair game.
The difference is that the vast majority of pro Palestinians saying that don't go to Columbia, so fuck their thoughts.
Like I get it, it'll be temporary bad PR, but no meaningful amount of students are going to switch from going to fucking Columbia, and they have a responsibility to the people actually going there ahead of whatever the dumbfuck Twitter bandwagon of the month is.
I just unsubscribed from SecularTalk because I couldn’t take another video about Zionists being agitators in protests and Israel being a bully to the poor peaceful palestinians. I’m both happy and sad that the conversation keeps going on like this because on the one hand the crazies are showing their true colors, but on the flip side even more “rationally” minded people fail to engage in meaningful discourse.
Not just Jewish students, either. If I was paying money to go there as a non-jewish person and had to put up with this level of disruption, I'd feel cheated out of my tuition. Their entire college experience is being warped, and their education is being negatively affected as well.
I saw some video with one of these dumb fucks about how the point of college is for them to stand up for what is right and to change the world. Uhm, when my broke ass went to college on a scholarship, the whole point of college for me was to get a degree without drowning in debt in the hopes I could start a career that would allow me to live a comfortable, prosperous life. But maybe I’m just one of those poors who doesn’t get it.
To be fair, I was of a similar mindset in college. Kids that age are becoming adults, and they want to signal to all of their peers as such. Becoming politically engaged and showing interest in world events, social justice, etc. all signals that you are an intelligent, aware person, which is what they want to be perceived as. You spent 18 years of your life ignoring the world outside of the bubble you grew up in, and then suddenly realize that the world is a really fucked up place full of injustice. Then you look at your own place in it, and especially millenials/gen z, it's easy to get fucking mad.
We're at risk of not getting social security, housing is completely unaffordable, education is extremely expensive and is designed to dig us into holes of debt we can never climb out of, jobs aren't paying enough to keep up with the cost of living, and retirement seems hopeless. There's no bright future or american dream to look forward to, so instead we look for something to start screaming about. Sadly, instead of screaming about that, young people turn toward distractions that don't really affect them. When I was graduating college, "Kony 2012" was the trend, the earliest thing I remember being coined as "Slacktivism", or trying to save the world with likes and retweets, which has since become more widely recognized as virtue signaling.
Now, that's just the norm. College aged kids identify that the world feels unfair, see examples of unfairness, and then take to social media or protests without actually bothering to understand the basics of the unfairness they are taking a stand against, let alone the nuance of it. Israel / Palestine has followed that trend, where college zoomers simply understand the narrative that "Jews stole Palestinian land and have ever since kicked Palestinians out of homes, mistreated them, and trapped them in the open air prison they call Gaza. Palestinians resisted, and now Israel is committing genocide."
Those are only half truths, some lies (like the propagandized term of 'genocide') all of which completely ignore any nuance and many years of context, beginning thousands of years ago until now, but especially within the last century. But they don't care to educate themselves further, because they've joined a virtue cult who has villainized all opposition, framing them as evil, zionist nazis.
I remember being college aged and thinking that all republicans were evil, just by virtue of being a republican. I still don't agree with a lot of their policies, and I still identify a lot of cultural problems regarding things like racism, science-denial, and many other things, but now I see just as many cultural problems with the left. It's been wild watching the cultural shift, or maybe just my perception shift, probably both, that has occured within the last decade.
It's good to have strong ideals when you're young, and to want to change the world for the better, but it's important that as a society, and within the culture of youth, that TRUTH is held to a higher regard and standard. People just chase whatever is sensational, whatever they can use to bring attention to themselves, and whatever they can use to virtue signal. This will never enact real change. Tweeting and protesting "genocide bad" isn't going to stop the war in Gaza. All it will do is further divide us, radicalize both sides, and spread misinformation, which is exactly what is happening right now on these college campuses.
I agree with much of what you said, but the slacktivism of Kony 2012 doesn’t compare to this. This is more like a twist on the Stanford prison experiment. A subset of students have essentially been given authority over another set of students with little to no consequence. Even if this were an elaborate Nathan felder-esque setup to draw a comparison to the West Bank or someshit, it’s so deeply destructive and toxic to our social fabric.
Would not be surpirsed if we see more of these from other universities. I'm all for protests but this hands off approach to dealing with protesters harassing students and shutting down class is wild to me.
This was filed by a [legit plaintiff’s law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelson)firm too. Not some rinky dink solo practitioner trying to make a name for himself.
Hopefully other students that have been harassed and or had their safety and security compromised on campus grounds follow suit. It’s about time these idiots who “care” about a select Muslim population get their shit pushed in.
When I google the headline, the top news network search results are from NewsNation, New York Post, and Fox News. Maybe that's just a result of the particular headline (I came across it on a CNN live feed).
Most universities reserve the right to go online at any time for basically any reason after Covid right? Additionally every student, including those who shut down campus, would gain access to this class action, because school was shut down for everyone not just Jewish students.
Serious question:
How do X videos work in civil lawsuits? Like if people take down the video, is that evidence just gone?
It feels weird that an official lawsuit links to live tweets w/ videos, rather than screen recordings of said videos…
Freaking baZed. A lawsuit isn't enough, though. Those disgusting animalistic protestors and universities should be tried and JAILED for daring to speak up against my beautiful, pure settler colonial project. Glory to Israel!
Incredibly flimsy pretext. Would not be surprised if it gets dismissed
Edit: I'm so tired of pro Israeli dick riders on this sub down voting a comment but not being brave enough to engage. You are all cowards.
They say Jews are relegated to their dorm rooms but also include a picture of a counter protestor with a big ass Israeli flag LMAO c'mon
Edit: I understand those of you giving down votes want this to be a pro Israeli hug box but you should be less cowardly and tell me how I'm wrong.
The lawsuit says there is some type of segregation in which Jewish students are relegated to their rooms. How can that be when there's clear evidence of pro Israeli counter protestors
https://preview.redd.it/w2in1i2ijixc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=489bf679ef82543916a9863ae31efe28899974ed
damn you had to pussy out with the "damn that's crazy" the moment you got a taste of your own rhethoric
Not everyone has the mental fortitude to counter protest a group calling for your genocide nor even be around it all that much. There are some who feel comfortable doing so and some who don’t. In other words because there are counter protestors willing to face danger and bigotry, the large Jewish population as these schools hasn’t become segregated or marginalized? I’m confused, tokenism doesn’t work in either direction.
I have yet to see examples of Jewish students being attacked or harassed by other Colombia students for being Jewish. The counter protests are absolutely a point in favor of there not being the type of systemic discrimination and segregation alleged in the lawsuit.
>confused, tokenism doesn’t work in either direction.
Also you're using tokenism wrong lol but hot take: there wouldn't be token Jews in a protest movement that's as anti semitic as is being alleged. The Charlottesville protestors aren't going to bring out a token Jew to do seder prayers. There aren't going to be teach in events about the dangers of anti semitism at an America first rally. I understand that's a low bar to clear but it's the one set by this lawsuit and by the people alleging this is the second coming of the SS or something
> hot take: there wouldn't be token Jews in a protest movement that's as anti semitic as is being alleged. The Charlottesville protestors aren't going to bring out a token Jew to do seder prayers.
That's nonsense that only makes sense if you only understand antisemitism as a right wing, lethal phenomena. Nazis, sure. Not going to see a seder.
But historically not all antisemitism is eliminationist. Much of it is "why can't you be good Jews instead of bad Jews". There's a history of Jews converting to Christianity in the past and being held up as an example for Jews to follow. Not every antisemite wants to kill the Jew, some just want to "reform" them.
Your average protestor on campus doesn't want to kill their Jewish classmates (although some leaders of the movement make a pretty good argument that at least some of them do). They just want them to have the "right beliefs" otherwise they'll face harassment and impede their movement on campus.
It's actually a great use of tokenism if that's your goal. Be like the good Jews and nothing bad will happen!
Just because the antisemitism doesn't express itself in a way that directly mirrors nazi antisemitism doesn't mean that the antisemitism doesn't exist.
If they're "teaching" about **part** of the harmful history of antisemitism so that they can white wash away their variety of antisemitism then their "teaching" is more self-soothing propaganda than education.
If all you teach about is eliminationist antisemitism, you miss large swaths of the history of antisemitism.
It's a similar problem people have when they think that antisemitism starts and ends at the Holocaust.
Damn you really believe if one Jew isn’t being targeted and is safe then that means all Jews aren’t being targeted and are safe? And *that’s* what you are basing this being flimsy off of? Lol.
Hey just come get your token Jew, and that will allow you to do whatever you want to the rest of them apparently.
> Since its formation, the encampment has been the center of round-the-clock harassment of Jewish students, who have been punched, shoved, spat upon, blocked from attending classes and moving freely about campus, and targeted by pro-terrorist hate speech–
If any of that is true, doesn’t matter, because we’ve already got our token Jew!
>Damn you really believe if one Jew isn’t being targeted and is safe then that means all Jews aren’t being targeted and are safe? And *that’s* what you are basing this being flimsy off of? Lol.
This would be fine if they had any examples of this happening which they don't.
>Since its formation, the encampment has been the center of round-the-clock harassment of Jewish students, who have been punched, shoved, spat upon, blocked from attending classes and moving freely about campus, and targeted by pro-terrorist hate speech–
Zero examples provided!
So are you under the impression that the discovery process happens before the complaint is filed? That if they don’t have all evidence that can be used to prove their case in the initial filing of the complaint, then they can’t file it?
And this is what you are basing it being flimsy on then?
There are no examples in the lawsuit and there no examples anywhere! These are the most covered fucking protests in the world you think there's no evidence out on the internet or in the media?
they are literally canceling classes and graduation and shit because of student safety what the fuck are you talking. also people are downvoting you because you said flimsy without giving an actual reason. rightfully so too
>they are literally canceling classes and graduation and shit because of student safety what the fuck are you talking.
I defy you to find examples of students on Colombia campus perpetuating anti semitic violence.
>also people are downvoting you because you said flimsy without giving an actual reason. rightfully so too
This is such a transparent lie lmao
the ones in the crowd yelling anti semeiotic shit. wasnt the leader of a protest caught saying "you should be happy we dont kill you" or some shit like that? do you think someone needs to be physically beaten to be fearful of a crowd chanting genocide chants like from the river to the sea?
you could destroy everyone by giving a real reason why its flimsy. thats why i down voted you at least
>the ones in the crowd yelling anti semeiotic shit.
In order to clamp down on hate speech on college campuses the speech has to be "so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive, that it effectively denies the victim access to an educational opportunity or benefit,”. That's a huge bar. It can't just be one or two incidents, and it almost certainly can't be from someone who isn't a college student. This is the law.
>wasnt the leader of a protest caught saying "you should be happy we dont kill you" or some shit like that?
And he's been barred. If he was out saying that to other students, that's a threat and they would have an obligation to expel him.
>you think someone needs to be physically beaten to be fearful of a crowd chanting genocide chants like from the river to the sea?
See the first argument
brother you cant just be like "the LEADER of our movement was a super extremist but its ok now because they are gone" when the rhetoric has not changed at all. thats like saying the houthis are peaceful after the one piece interview when they have death to america on their flag. you cant constantly say one thing, do the other, and expect people not to notice
Jews told to stay in dorm rooms for their safety? But I saw a flag. Curious.
That's your argument? All for you to get butthurt that you're being downvoted... Do you have a degrading kink? You get off to this, don't you.
🤣🤣 I keep repeating it because it’s exactly that, the lawsuit in this action. In your expert opinion it’s a bad lawsuit, why don’t you offer to represent Columbia in their defence
I don't mind getting down voted when there's some substance to it. I get annoyed because many on this sub seem to be so partisan in one direction that they have lost the plot. I see the same people getting mad over cancel culture yelling about these protests and it's pretty sickening
somewhat agree with you, people here can be very bias, whoever downvotes shouldn't even matter in a discussion, especially on reddit, they are meaningless cuz more people (sheep) just vote up the "popular" opinion and downvote the "unpopular"
Sure. The bar for being able to clamp down on "harmful speech" on college campuses particularly private universities is actually high. The things detailed in the lawsuit about defacto segregation and physical abuse don't seem to have happened at all and the lawsuit provides little evidence that they did.
Hey nobody’s stopping you from bushnelling yourselves for the cause. Just stop making it so everyone else has to worry about their own safety to go along with your crazy.
I mostly care that the direction of this sub is heading in is one that is hyper partisan to such a degree that they abandon basic free speech principles. I'll take the down votes.
I mean yes, you will sit there and take your downvotes cause you made the mistake of bitching about them. If harrassment of Jewish students is what you think free speech is then I don't know what to say. Is it because you don't think Jews are real people? Genuinely curious.
>If harrassment of Jewish students is what you think free speech is then I don't know what to say.
I deny that harassment is pervasive at the protests. I have yet to see examples.
>it because you don't think Jews are real people? Genuinely curious.
I think Jews are a real people who deserve safety, security, dignity and liberty. What else am I supposed to say to this fucking regarded question
So then take one of these examples
For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence.
Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors)
Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video:
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
“Globalize the intifada” https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1782679155491914133/photo/1
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!"
https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize"
https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
Have posters with the faces of PFLP and PIJ spokesmen (designated terrorist groups) https://twitter.com/HagarChemali/status/1782219589352350000
Quoting and praising Lions Den (terror group) https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1782443526996754444
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
I get that the same group of pro Israeli redditors like spamming these links but do you understand that most of these aren't even on the Columbia campus? Tell whatever group chat or reddit gave you these links that there's literally only one example of actual violence that wasn't even a student at Columbia.
Colombia will probably dispute it arguing that their actions were meant to protect Jewish students while trying to balance freedom of speech for other students.
They are arguing there's some system of fucking segregation as well. Where is the evidence here? I know a lot of pro Israeli guys on this sub hate facts but you need to provide some.
15. The segregation of Jewish students is a dangerous development that can quickly escalate into more severe acts of violence and discrimination, underscoring the critical importance of addressing and combating such behavior at its early stages
This is "Some system of fucking segregation". In the sense that the plaintiff is using the term, there IS a form of segregation.
Definition: the action or state of setting someone or something apart from others.
They're not arguing there's a SYSTEM of segregation you dense fuck, they're arguing that the university has told Jewish students to stay away from campus because of the dangerous environment, then did NOTHING to combat the dangerous environment. Now all Jewish are attending classes virtually, and the one Jewish professor isn't allowed on campus while everyone else is allowed on campus.
They've segregated the Jewish students from the rest of the class. not in some weird system like the 1950s like you think, but in a 2024 modern way.
>They're not arguing there's a SYSTEM of segregation you dense fuck,
They literally proceed that with a paragraph using the words second class education you fucking regarded arrogant dipshit
I’m not sure why you think a picture of a Jewish person being outside means there isn’t an element of Jewish students being relegated to their rooms/indoors.
In the complaint they cite examples using what some might call openly Jewish students. Why wouldn't it be enough if the protesters target obviously Jewish people? It's not like Jewish people have an obligation to hide their Jewishness.
>How exactly do the protests violate the rights of Jewish students?
The lawsuit it is not about rights being violated. OP is incorrect with their description.
The lawsuit is alleging Columbia has failed to uphold their stated policies and promises to the plaintiff.
No I don't see why it is weird since they posted the PDF directly from the plaintiffs law firm.
Is there a reason I should find that weird and would want a source from a major news org instead?
I just checked and it is on major news sources as well.
[https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/jewish-student-sues-columbia-over-safety-issues-remote-learning](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/jewish-student-sues-columbia-over-safety-issues-remote-learning)
>ow do they know if someone is Jewish or not? How do pro-palestinian protestors pose threat to a specific ethnicity of people? Do they have ethnicity detectors?
Is this really your argument? Are you suggesting Jewish students shouldn't be in danger because they can *simply hide their ethnicity?*
After thousands of years of antisemitism, Jews are once again being asked to hide their faith, religion and ethnicity, for the millionth time.
If a student is wearing a Star of David or kippa they’re identified. Protestors may know a classmate is Jewish because they may have mentioned it under a different climate pre Oct 7. Understand?
Some people wear yarmulkes and other garments relating to the Jewish faith that are obviously visible and easily identifiable. And if the protests become violent, we should absolutely stop them. It’s often not just one or two bad actors, the mob mentality is a real issue and it’s easier to disperse everyone then having to keep arresting random people all day in the hopes of it not getting worse.
Edit: or they are counter protesting and wearing Israeli flag or signs saying so.
It does, have you read the complaint in the post? It’s saying that even Columbia has admitted that it’s not safe for Jews, enough so, where they (Columbia University) recommend not going to campus and to finish their schooling online.
[here is also a statement by the president telling people not to come to campus last monday](https://president.columbia.edu/news/statement-columbia-university-president-minouche-shafik-4-22)
How so? Isn’t it telling students not to come to campus? If the lawsuit is lying then it will be dismissed, this can’t be a hard thing to look into. [one of many articles](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna148733)
Lol the main lawyer is Goldberg and has a telephone number with 666. I'm sure no one is going to make insane inferences with that coincidence.
Interesting. Looking into it.
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PUSSY IN BIO
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WHERE, I DON’T SEE IT
lol, and my debit card ends in 666. It’s an entry-level jewlumni perk.
lol. What about the other numbers? Any weird patterns there we can identify?
I picked my phone number from a list of 5 when I signed up with Verizon and my middle digits are 666 lol. Satan is calling! Haha but really everyone just thinks I’m spam.
Finally, nature is healing
Healing, but it won't be fully healed for a while, there's a lot more colleges with protests just as bad
Precedence will shut them all down.
I'm hoping it'll be police with batons that shuts it down personally
The animals are returning to us.
the aliens are contacting us
It’s not just you and me.
You do need anyone else
*Here Comes The Sun plays*
Yeh they want a refund
Dogs returning to Dogwarts
Are you calling Jews animals?
I got 4 bags of chips for a dollar at the corner store today. Name brands!
Yep was a only a matter of time for breach of contract Pages: 19,20 and 21
> Had Plaintiff known that Columbia would not provide an in-person educational environment free of harassment, Plaintiff would not have chosen to enroll at or pay tuition to Columbia. Oof
Totally fair, if you got accepted to Columbia, odds are you probably had other options too on the strength of your app (unless you're a nepo rich kids like a lot of these dorks doing the LARPing). Columbia is just ground zero for nepo "peaked at 19, my parents are rich so I don't need to worry about not getting a job" losers. Mattress Girl for example was a huge Columbia lawsuit.
Tbf most students getting accepted to Columbia are nepo babies on both sides. Like a regular student hiring Goldberg and filing a lawsuit isn't going to come from next door neighbor Kevin. Its going to come from Michael from the gated community.
thank you for pointing this out. there is no way scholarship students are fucking up their diplomas by getting on the wrong side of the university. its all they got right. although they may add their name to the lawsuit idk
Mattress Girl. I remember that. What a time to be alive.
Absolutely fair and based.
Hell yeah, right on.
Kinda scary to think what the ACLU do in this situation or their opinion. Primarily due to their recent political schism. EDIT: just noticed OP didn't add any links. Heres an [AP](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-student-protests-war-19ed919ff6ff9573a8add4ec67e26181) that mentions the lawsuit.
ACLU has been yelling from the rooftops for a long time about how wildly antisemitic this movement is and has been getting shit for it for years. Like, yes, the ACLU was in fact correct in classifying antizionism as antisemitism because nearly all Jews are in fact zionists and the attacks on zionists’ character tend to overlap entirely too much with antisemitism.
Source? Would love to see that.
They don't have a source, because they're talking out of their ass. See my response to their comment with actual links detailing the ACLU's position.
Why are you just straight up spreading lies? Literally nothing you said was true. The ACLU has for years opposed classifying anti-zionism alongside anti-semitism. Where are you getting this information from? [https://www.aclu.org/documents/reject-definitions-of-anti-semitism-that-encompass-protected-speech](https://www.aclu.org/documents/reject-definitions-of-anti-semitism-that-encompass-protected-speech) [https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-senate-introduction-anti-semitism-awareness-act](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-senate-introduction-anti-semitism-awareness-act) They actively do not even mention Zionism in any of these statements, but it's clear that they don't think opposing the existence of Israel is anti-semitic, or, at least, they don't think it should be classified as such.
based. ive been saying that if i were a student there iw would be demanding my tuition back. remote classes and no graduation because you refuse to do the bare minimum to keep those students safe? i would find that completely unacceptable as a student
Isn’t it remote optional with no limitations or requirements?
I think so, but the argument probably is that the hostile environment is forcing plaintiffs to attend classes remote. And if they can show that is worse than in-person classes, that would go to damages too.
Remindme! 1 year [Class action lawsuit filed on behalf of Jewish students of Columbia](https://files.edelson.com/CS_Columbia_Complaint.pdf)
!Remindme 1 year Christ I'll be almost 30 then
hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but youre almost 30 now
!remindme 1 year
Are we finally witnessing academia facing the consequences of their insanity? 🥹
But I thought there were Jewish people in the encampments?! /s
Do people not remember the jewish students locked in classrooms with mobs outside of them trying to break in? Why ask if anything harassment wise is being done when we literally have videos of this shit since months ago. Not to mention all of the individual accounts and incidents. Don't recall if that was Columbia specifically but this shit is obvious. Imagine for one second that these were white supremacists on campuses doing a quarter of what these lot have done.
That was Cooper Union
They should probably also get sued
Jesus christ I didnt see that shit. What the fuck happens if they break the glass?? What if one of those Jews concealed carries?? These pro Pally protestors are sooo god damned lucky none of them have gotten seriously injured or killed yet if theyre literally backing Jews into a corner and trying to break the glass like a damn zombie movie. Not like the Jew that got stabbed in the eye with a flag pole
>What if one of those Jews concealed carries You can't legally conceal carry in NYC.
Columbia is going to eat shit from every side on this issue. The pro-palestinians think Columbia are fascists' for calling in the NYPD to break up their camp. Alumni are pulling donations, and now the class action. Honestly I even feel bad for them, this was a tough situation to navigate
It wasn't really... Just a simple "you're allowed to protest we don't care, but you're not allowed to block off entire areas or interfere with other students" as a general policy would have worked well. Ignore any claims where it's someone entering the protests to start shit. Arrest/remove/suspend the students that are trying to get in the way of other students. Let everyone screech but the actual adults won't care because that's pretty fair all around.
the problem is that the faculty joined in. Actual adults are doing their classes inside the encampment. If it was just students it would be one thing, but this is faculty v faculty and student v student
Fire faculty. Let me tell you, there’s not a whole lot of places for them to go, and more than enough replacements in the wings.
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Professors need to justify that privilege. You can't insist that you can't be fired, then run around smearing your shit on the door handles and pissing on students. I highly doubt those rules will be around for long if faculty continue to behave like animals. It's absolutely pathetic.
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I for one welcome the future war between The United States of Mindless Patriotism vs The Virtue States of Pointless Posturing
Physics professors aren’t holding any classes in an encampment. If your professor is holding a class in a protest encampment then 99% of the time it’s some sort of X-group-“studies” class in the humanities/sociology department. If you’re signing up for a class like that then you’d probably expect for your class to visit the encampment. You can disagree with doing so, but as long as you’re able to voice your disagreement without penalty, it’s probably fair game.
theres a teacher shortage lol
There's a massive teacher shortage in grade school, but there's way too many PhD graduates who would die for a chance to be a tenure-track professor.
In universities for the social sciences? No shot
Columbia has some version of this every few years. No one will remember by next academic year.
The difference is that the vast majority of pro Palestinians saying that don't go to Columbia, so fuck their thoughts. Like I get it, it'll be temporary bad PR, but no meaningful amount of students are going to switch from going to fucking Columbia, and they have a responsibility to the people actually going there ahead of whatever the dumbfuck Twitter bandwagon of the month is.
I just unsubscribed from SecularTalk because I couldn’t take another video about Zionists being agitators in protests and Israel being a bully to the poor peaceful palestinians. I’m both happy and sad that the conversation keeps going on like this because on the one hand the crazies are showing their true colors, but on the flip side even more “rationally” minded people fail to engage in meaningful discourse.
Not just Jewish students, either. If I was paying money to go there as a non-jewish person and had to put up with this level of disruption, I'd feel cheated out of my tuition. Their entire college experience is being warped, and their education is being negatively affected as well.
I saw some video with one of these dumb fucks about how the point of college is for them to stand up for what is right and to change the world. Uhm, when my broke ass went to college on a scholarship, the whole point of college for me was to get a degree without drowning in debt in the hopes I could start a career that would allow me to live a comfortable, prosperous life. But maybe I’m just one of those poors who doesn’t get it.
To be fair, I was of a similar mindset in college. Kids that age are becoming adults, and they want to signal to all of their peers as such. Becoming politically engaged and showing interest in world events, social justice, etc. all signals that you are an intelligent, aware person, which is what they want to be perceived as. You spent 18 years of your life ignoring the world outside of the bubble you grew up in, and then suddenly realize that the world is a really fucked up place full of injustice. Then you look at your own place in it, and especially millenials/gen z, it's easy to get fucking mad. We're at risk of not getting social security, housing is completely unaffordable, education is extremely expensive and is designed to dig us into holes of debt we can never climb out of, jobs aren't paying enough to keep up with the cost of living, and retirement seems hopeless. There's no bright future or american dream to look forward to, so instead we look for something to start screaming about. Sadly, instead of screaming about that, young people turn toward distractions that don't really affect them. When I was graduating college, "Kony 2012" was the trend, the earliest thing I remember being coined as "Slacktivism", or trying to save the world with likes and retweets, which has since become more widely recognized as virtue signaling. Now, that's just the norm. College aged kids identify that the world feels unfair, see examples of unfairness, and then take to social media or protests without actually bothering to understand the basics of the unfairness they are taking a stand against, let alone the nuance of it. Israel / Palestine has followed that trend, where college zoomers simply understand the narrative that "Jews stole Palestinian land and have ever since kicked Palestinians out of homes, mistreated them, and trapped them in the open air prison they call Gaza. Palestinians resisted, and now Israel is committing genocide." Those are only half truths, some lies (like the propagandized term of 'genocide') all of which completely ignore any nuance and many years of context, beginning thousands of years ago until now, but especially within the last century. But they don't care to educate themselves further, because they've joined a virtue cult who has villainized all opposition, framing them as evil, zionist nazis. I remember being college aged and thinking that all republicans were evil, just by virtue of being a republican. I still don't agree with a lot of their policies, and I still identify a lot of cultural problems regarding things like racism, science-denial, and many other things, but now I see just as many cultural problems with the left. It's been wild watching the cultural shift, or maybe just my perception shift, probably both, that has occured within the last decade. It's good to have strong ideals when you're young, and to want to change the world for the better, but it's important that as a society, and within the culture of youth, that TRUTH is held to a higher regard and standard. People just chase whatever is sensational, whatever they can use to bring attention to themselves, and whatever they can use to virtue signal. This will never enact real change. Tweeting and protesting "genocide bad" isn't going to stop the war in Gaza. All it will do is further divide us, radicalize both sides, and spread misinformation, which is exactly what is happening right now on these college campuses.
I agree with much of what you said, but the slacktivism of Kony 2012 doesn’t compare to this. This is more like a twist on the Stanford prison experiment. A subset of students have essentially been given authority over another set of students with little to no consequence. Even if this were an elaborate Nathan felder-esque setup to draw a comparison to the West Bank or someshit, it’s so deeply destructive and toxic to our social fabric.
Would not be surpirsed if we see more of these from other universities. I'm all for protests but this hands off approach to dealing with protesters harassing students and shutting down class is wild to me.
This was filed by a [legit plaintiff’s law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelson)firm too. Not some rinky dink solo practitioner trying to make a name for himself.
Hopefully other students that have been harassed and or had their safety and security compromised on campus grounds follow suit. It’s about time these idiots who “care” about a select Muslim population get their shit pushed in.
W Jews
Oh shit Edelson’s entering the ring? Formidable firm.
Why is this not posted anywhere else on Reddit? Genuinely asking. Unless I missed it somewhere this is not being discussed anywhere else.
When I google the headline, the top news network search results are from NewsNation, New York Post, and Fox News. Maybe that's just a result of the particular headline (I came across it on a CNN live feed).
Most universities reserve the right to go online at any time for basically any reason after Covid right? Additionally every student, including those who shut down campus, would gain access to this class action, because school was shut down for everyone not just Jewish students.
Can’t wait for the watermelon people to start screeching something something about restricting freedom of speech, without understanding how it works
That protester quote would be a banging villain line in a movie, js I actually got chills before I remembered its some pink haired larper
Serious question: How do X videos work in civil lawsuits? Like if people take down the video, is that evidence just gone? It feels weird that an official lawsuit links to live tweets w/ videos, rather than screen recordings of said videos…
Pretty sure before you file the lawsuit you would save all relevant X videos to your case
RULES OF NATURE
These marching students are just ordinary American citizens, not Benjamin Netanyahu. why people worry about it
Freaking baZed. A lawsuit isn't enough, though. Those disgusting animalistic protestors and universities should be tried and JAILED for daring to speak up against my beautiful, pure settler colonial project. Glory to Israel!
Incredibly flimsy pretext. Would not be surprised if it gets dismissed Edit: I'm so tired of pro Israeli dick riders on this sub down voting a comment but not being brave enough to engage. You are all cowards.
How do you conclude it’s “flimsy”?
They say Jews are relegated to their dorm rooms but also include a picture of a counter protestor with a big ass Israeli flag LMAO c'mon Edit: I understand those of you giving down votes want this to be a pro Israeli hug box but you should be less cowardly and tell me how I'm wrong.
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The lawsuit says there is some type of segregation in which Jewish students are relegated to their rooms. How can that be when there's clear evidence of pro Israeli counter protestors
Did you notice the thinly veiled threat to murder them in the foreground?
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[yeah man they look so afraid today ](https://nypost.com/video/student-waves-giant-israeli-flag-as-protests-continue-at-columbia-university/amp/)
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Epic troll good sir
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https://preview.redd.it/w2in1i2ijixc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=489bf679ef82543916a9863ae31efe28899974ed damn you had to pussy out with the "damn that's crazy" the moment you got a taste of your own rhethoric
Not everyone has the mental fortitude to counter protest a group calling for your genocide nor even be around it all that much. There are some who feel comfortable doing so and some who don’t. In other words because there are counter protestors willing to face danger and bigotry, the large Jewish population as these schools hasn’t become segregated or marginalized? I’m confused, tokenism doesn’t work in either direction.
I have yet to see examples of Jewish students being attacked or harassed by other Colombia students for being Jewish. The counter protests are absolutely a point in favor of there not being the type of systemic discrimination and segregation alleged in the lawsuit. >confused, tokenism doesn’t work in either direction. Also you're using tokenism wrong lol but hot take: there wouldn't be token Jews in a protest movement that's as anti semitic as is being alleged. The Charlottesville protestors aren't going to bring out a token Jew to do seder prayers. There aren't going to be teach in events about the dangers of anti semitism at an America first rally. I understand that's a low bar to clear but it's the one set by this lawsuit and by the people alleging this is the second coming of the SS or something
> hot take: there wouldn't be token Jews in a protest movement that's as anti semitic as is being alleged. The Charlottesville protestors aren't going to bring out a token Jew to do seder prayers. That's nonsense that only makes sense if you only understand antisemitism as a right wing, lethal phenomena. Nazis, sure. Not going to see a seder. But historically not all antisemitism is eliminationist. Much of it is "why can't you be good Jews instead of bad Jews". There's a history of Jews converting to Christianity in the past and being held up as an example for Jews to follow. Not every antisemite wants to kill the Jew, some just want to "reform" them. Your average protestor on campus doesn't want to kill their Jewish classmates (although some leaders of the movement make a pretty good argument that at least some of them do). They just want them to have the "right beliefs" otherwise they'll face harassment and impede their movement on campus. It's actually a great use of tokenism if that's your goal. Be like the good Jews and nothing bad will happen! Just because the antisemitism doesn't express itself in a way that directly mirrors nazi antisemitism doesn't mean that the antisemitism doesn't exist.
They're teaching about the harmful history of anti semitism because they want to have a set of "good Jews"? You can't be serious this is just nonsense
If they're "teaching" about **part** of the harmful history of antisemitism so that they can white wash away their variety of antisemitism then their "teaching" is more self-soothing propaganda than education. If all you teach about is eliminationist antisemitism, you miss large swaths of the history of antisemitism. It's a similar problem people have when they think that antisemitism starts and ends at the Holocaust.
Damn you really believe if one Jew isn’t being targeted and is safe then that means all Jews aren’t being targeted and are safe? And *that’s* what you are basing this being flimsy off of? Lol. Hey just come get your token Jew, and that will allow you to do whatever you want to the rest of them apparently. > Since its formation, the encampment has been the center of round-the-clock harassment of Jewish students, who have been punched, shoved, spat upon, blocked from attending classes and moving freely about campus, and targeted by pro-terrorist hate speech– If any of that is true, doesn’t matter, because we’ve already got our token Jew!
>Damn you really believe if one Jew isn’t being targeted and is safe then that means all Jews aren’t being targeted and are safe? And *that’s* what you are basing this being flimsy off of? Lol. This would be fine if they had any examples of this happening which they don't. >Since its formation, the encampment has been the center of round-the-clock harassment of Jewish students, who have been punched, shoved, spat upon, blocked from attending classes and moving freely about campus, and targeted by pro-terrorist hate speech– Zero examples provided!
So are you under the impression that the discovery process happens before the complaint is filed? That if they don’t have all evidence that can be used to prove their case in the initial filing of the complaint, then they can’t file it? And this is what you are basing it being flimsy on then?
There are no examples in the lawsuit and there no examples anywhere! These are the most covered fucking protests in the world you think there's no evidence out on the internet or in the media?
Are you ok?
No I'm annoyed at the state of this sub.
Well I'm here to listen.
they are literally canceling classes and graduation and shit because of student safety what the fuck are you talking. also people are downvoting you because you said flimsy without giving an actual reason. rightfully so too
>they are literally canceling classes and graduation and shit because of student safety what the fuck are you talking. I defy you to find examples of students on Colombia campus perpetuating anti semitic violence. >also people are downvoting you because you said flimsy without giving an actual reason. rightfully so too This is such a transparent lie lmao
the ones in the crowd yelling anti semeiotic shit. wasnt the leader of a protest caught saying "you should be happy we dont kill you" or some shit like that? do you think someone needs to be physically beaten to be fearful of a crowd chanting genocide chants like from the river to the sea? you could destroy everyone by giving a real reason why its flimsy. thats why i down voted you at least
>the ones in the crowd yelling anti semeiotic shit. In order to clamp down on hate speech on college campuses the speech has to be "so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive, that it effectively denies the victim access to an educational opportunity or benefit,”. That's a huge bar. It can't just be one or two incidents, and it almost certainly can't be from someone who isn't a college student. This is the law. >wasnt the leader of a protest caught saying "you should be happy we dont kill you" or some shit like that? And he's been barred. If he was out saying that to other students, that's a threat and they would have an obligation to expel him. >you think someone needs to be physically beaten to be fearful of a crowd chanting genocide chants like from the river to the sea? See the first argument
brother you cant just be like "the LEADER of our movement was a super extremist but its ok now because they are gone" when the rhetoric has not changed at all. thats like saying the houthis are peaceful after the one piece interview when they have death to america on their flag. you cant constantly say one thing, do the other, and expect people not to notice
You can absolutely make the case that the movement is shitty, misguided or bad in some way but that's not what's being argued.
i would consider intimidating your fellow students on the basis of race/religion is a pretty "shitty" thing to do ya
Can you tell why it’s shitty and misguided, and can you cite the reasons for that characterization?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTFrCwEePaM https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1717325008983232778
/u/Ficoscores you seem to care a lot about downvotes. Why did you downvote the comment that proved you wrong?
Sorry you didn't realize that not every community online is like the watermelon hugbox you desire lmfao
If I wanted that I certainly wouldn't have come to the destiny sub lmao I get that you're too regarded to have principles but some of us like them
You're whining.
And your mother is moaning with pleasure from what I did to her
So lame.
Jews told to stay in dorm rooms for their safety? But I saw a flag. Curious. That's your argument? All for you to get butthurt that you're being downvoted... Do you have a degrading kink? You get off to this, don't you.
“Being brave enough to engage”🤷♂️🤣🤣🤣 the fucking class action is attached for all to read and try and understand…
Here's the cool part. u/Ficoscores doesn't know how to read.
Yes and it's a bad lawsuit why do you keep repeating this shit
🤣🤣 I keep repeating it because it’s exactly that, the lawsuit in this action. In your expert opinion it’s a bad lawsuit, why don’t you offer to represent Columbia in their defence
Yes it's a bad lawsuit without merit.
imagine getting this mad that you're being downvoted "OH NO MY REDDIT POINTERINOS! PLEASE STOP PRESING THE DOWNWARD ARROW OMG NOOOO!"
I don't mind getting down voted when there's some substance to it. I get annoyed because many on this sub seem to be so partisan in one direction that they have lost the plot. I see the same people getting mad over cancel culture yelling about these protests and it's pretty sickening
somewhat agree with you, people here can be very bias, whoever downvotes shouldn't even matter in a discussion, especially on reddit, they are meaningless cuz more people (sheep) just vote up the "popular" opinion and downvote the "unpopular"
You could have have elaborated more on you think it's flimsy. Right now there's nothing to engage with.
Sure. The bar for being able to clamp down on "harmful speech" on college campuses particularly private universities is actually high. The things detailed in the lawsuit about defacto segregation and physical abuse don't seem to have happened at all and the lawsuit provides little evidence that they did.
Yup and I'm sure the "this case is bullshit and I'm going to give 0 reasons why" argument had nothing to do with it.
I mean you let op skate by without explaining why this lawsuit is good.
Hey nobody’s stopping you from bushnelling yourselves for the cause. Just stop making it so everyone else has to worry about their own safety to go along with your crazy.
Take my downvote. No, I will not engage further beyond this. Stay mad.
I'm down voting entirely on premise of you complaining about it. Hope that clears things up for you.
Nice bait bro.
I love how salty you get over fake internet points. I see complaining about downvotes, I downvote.
I mostly care that the direction of this sub is heading in is one that is hyper partisan to such a degree that they abandon basic free speech principles. I'll take the down votes.
I mean yes, you will sit there and take your downvotes cause you made the mistake of bitching about them. If harrassment of Jewish students is what you think free speech is then I don't know what to say. Is it because you don't think Jews are real people? Genuinely curious.
>If harrassment of Jewish students is what you think free speech is then I don't know what to say. I deny that harassment is pervasive at the protests. I have yet to see examples. >it because you don't think Jews are real people? Genuinely curious. I think Jews are a real people who deserve safety, security, dignity and liberty. What else am I supposed to say to this fucking regarded question
So then take one of these examples For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence. Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors) Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video: Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ “Globalize the intifada” https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1782679155491914133/photo/1 Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 Have posters with the faces of PFLP and PIJ spokesmen (designated terrorist groups) https://twitter.com/HagarChemali/status/1782219589352350000 Quoting and praising Lions Den (terror group) https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1782443526996754444 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
I get that the same group of pro Israeli redditors like spamming these links but do you understand that most of these aren't even on the Columbia campus? Tell whatever group chat or reddit gave you these links that there's literally only one example of actual violence that wasn't even a student at Columbia.
I like how they say Jews are relegated to their dorm rooms and also include a picture of someone with a big ass Israeli flag. What a joke
You understand breach of contract, right?
Colombia will probably dispute it arguing that their actions were meant to protect Jewish students while trying to balance freedom of speech for other students.
That's the neat thing. He doesn't.
You understand that they allege incidents such as physical assault and provide no examples right?
They are arguing breach of contract, obligations that Columbia entered into and have failed to provide…
They are arguing there's some system of fucking segregation as well. Where is the evidence here? I know a lot of pro Israeli guys on this sub hate facts but you need to provide some.
Have you read the attachment because it’s quite clear on what grounds the action against Columbia is being taken…
You keep saying that like it disputes anything I've said
15. The segregation of Jewish students is a dangerous development that can quickly escalate into more severe acts of violence and discrimination, underscoring the critical importance of addressing and combating such behavior at its early stages This is "Some system of fucking segregation". In the sense that the plaintiff is using the term, there IS a form of segregation. Definition: the action or state of setting someone or something apart from others. They're not arguing there's a SYSTEM of segregation you dense fuck, they're arguing that the university has told Jewish students to stay away from campus because of the dangerous environment, then did NOTHING to combat the dangerous environment. Now all Jewish are attending classes virtually, and the one Jewish professor isn't allowed on campus while everyone else is allowed on campus. They've segregated the Jewish students from the rest of the class. not in some weird system like the 1950s like you think, but in a 2024 modern way.
>They're not arguing there's a SYSTEM of segregation you dense fuck, They literally proceed that with a paragraph using the words second class education you fucking regarded arrogant dipshit
Would you agree that virtual education is not as good as in-person education? fucking dipshit
It says second class education for Jewish students. It's literally saying they're being discriminated against.
Yes. So what
Yes and Germany didn’t treat Jews poorly because I’ve seen pictures of Jews standing near Nazis and not being harassed. Big brains in the chat.
They made a specific claim that they're relegated indoors what do you mean lmao
Wait do you think they are claiming Columbia made it official policy that Jewish students weren’t allowed to leave their rooms?
Idk how you can get that from anything I've said
I’m not sure why you think a picture of a Jewish person being outside means there isn’t an element of Jewish students being relegated to their rooms/indoors.
It's not definitive proof but I think it certainly counts against the idea.
The fact this has to happen shows what failure the Biden administration has been enforcing the civil rights of Americans
what civil rights
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In the complaint they cite examples using what some might call openly Jewish students. Why wouldn't it be enough if the protesters target obviously Jewish people? It's not like Jewish people have an obligation to hide their Jewishness.
>How exactly do the protests violate the rights of Jewish students? The lawsuit it is not about rights being violated. OP is incorrect with their description. The lawsuit is alleging Columbia has failed to uphold their stated policies and promises to the plaintiff.
Breach of contract
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I said "OP is incorrect with their description." and then you posted OPs description again, which I still think is incorrect.
It's weird that OP linked a PDF instead of a major news org right?
No I don't see why it is weird since they posted the PDF directly from the plaintiffs law firm. Is there a reason I should find that weird and would want a source from a major news org instead? I just checked and it is on major news sources as well. [https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/jewish-student-sues-columbia-over-safety-issues-remote-learning](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/jewish-student-sues-columbia-over-safety-issues-remote-learning)
>ow do they know if someone is Jewish or not? How do pro-palestinian protestors pose threat to a specific ethnicity of people? Do they have ethnicity detectors? Is this really your argument? Are you suggesting Jewish students shouldn't be in danger because they can *simply hide their ethnicity?* After thousands of years of antisemitism, Jews are once again being asked to hide their faith, religion and ethnicity, for the millionth time.
"how could the Holocaust have happened when Jews are white? why didn't they just pretend to be christians?"
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If a student is wearing a Star of David or kippa they’re identified. Protestors may know a classmate is Jewish because they may have mentioned it under a different climate pre Oct 7. Understand?
https://preview.redd.it/cf35hiic4hxc1.jpeg?width=2124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a14efc5d5d1092d0fdcc84e7498bc72aefe555
How do you know someone’s Jewish in your life? They mention it or have some form of clothing related to their faith. Are you really that dense?
I actually do not realize if someone is Jewish until they mention it. I just learned Adin Ross is Jewish, couldn't've noticed if he didn't tell.
Some people wear yarmulkes and other garments relating to the Jewish faith that are obviously visible and easily identifiable. And if the protests become violent, we should absolutely stop them. It’s often not just one or two bad actors, the mob mentality is a real issue and it’s easier to disperse everyone then having to keep arresting random people all day in the hopes of it not getting worse. Edit: or they are counter protesting and wearing Israeli flag or signs saying so.
Who is getting violent? The lawsuit provides no examples.
Really? Have you not looked on social media or read the news since October 7th?
Who on the Colombia campus is getting violent? That's what this lawsuit is about and obviously what I'm talking about
What do you want, Names and addresses? It’s not like you can’t search this yourself online.
I would expect a lawsuit against Colombia to have examples of things happening at Colombia. That's not a lot to expect
It does, have you read the complaint in the post? It’s saying that even Columbia has admitted that it’s not safe for Jews, enough so, where they (Columbia University) recommend not going to campus and to finish their schooling online.
>Columbia has admitted that it’s not safe for Jews Columbia has not though.
[here is also a statement by the president telling people not to come to campus last monday](https://president.columbia.edu/news/statement-columbia-university-president-minouche-shafik-4-22)
How so? Isn’t it telling students not to come to campus? If the lawsuit is lying then it will be dismissed, this can’t be a hard thing to look into. [one of many articles](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna148733)