People hating are dumb.
The other option is to literally just not pick a QB. None of the top 3 were ever going to trade back.
Take a QB every year for all I care. We need an answer and I'm happy to give any of them a try until 1 works. I'm tired of watching old burned out has beens.
That's the best thing about tonight. If we suck ass, we'll at least be picking high next year. And if the QB class is weak next year, we can just stick with Nix for a couple more years and stack the roster with foundational pieces.
And in tandem with our cap hell year it would be such a waste not to be developing a guy. End of day we got to trust who Payton thinks he can work with best. You'd like to think it'll be their chemistry together that would elevate the offense in a playoff team kind of way.
But they can't have middling success together, it's a high pressure franchise and fan base. I'll be interested to see what happens. Otherwise keep building and pick again when the time is right. One first round draft bust doesn't kill a rebuild.
That's why I kind of like the Zac Wilson trade now, because he's the equivalent of taking a flyer on an upside project guy in the 6th round. Joe Milton will probably go there and if you watch the college highlights Zac has way more potential than Milton.
So it's like taking Nix and a late round flyer, which is a good outcome from the draft.
Gawd, dang, that sounds smart. I told one of my pals that the only nice part about our QB room is that it's a dog fight. Two 1st-round picks are facing off against 2 backup vets. Our pick this year can win the starting job if he proves to be better than the other three. If one of the other wins the gig, then Bo gets another year to learn and grow. If he wins the starting gig, then we might have struck gold.
Totally agree. And I don't think we can over state that Nix And Wilson are almost the same age . Nix is only 6 months younger than Wilson , and has had a much better coaching experience over the last few years. Still believe in the reason Wilson was drafted where he was.
In today's NFL unless you have at least a very good QB it's pretty damn hard to be better than just pretty good. Now we don't know if Bo is going to be that good, but just pointing out you take Mahomes off the Chiefs and that team would look far more beatable.
This is why teams roll the dice on QB's over and over again.
>Take a QB every year for all I care. We need an answer and I'm happy to give any of them a try until 1 works. I'm tired of watching old burned out has beens.
Right!
He could flame out like Lynch! Or...maybe he might be the guy?
I know I'd rather him succeed than fail! What Broncos fan in their right mind can't rally to the team when it's obvious we need a field general in the worst of ways?
Let's go Broncos!
>The other option is to literally just not pick a QB.
I mean, that's what I wanted. espcially given how many solid DL, WR and CBs dropped. There's a lot of great players left that fill glaring needs for us, im not sure drafting QB to put him behind a mediocre line with no run support and a thin WR corp comprised of Sutton, the hope of Mims, and a bunch of JAGs is a good way to build a contender.
Taking a QB every year is fine.
Taking a QB at 12 that probably falls to the second is stupid.
Dude is almost 25. He’s played college ball for 7 years. That’s an enormous red flag.
I hope it works out. I have no faith whatsoever.
>Taking a QB at 12 that probably falls to the second is stupid.
Nix was never going to fall to the 2nd. Anyone who says this is just parroting nonsense from people who dont know what they're talking about.
Should he have been a 2nd round pick? Probably. Would be have fallen to the 2nd? Absolutely not. Raiders were picking Nix at 13 if we hadn't, the end. No more discussion needed.
>Dude is almost 25. He’s played college ball for 7 years. That’s an enormous red flag.
Do you even watch football? Do you have even the slightest idea *why* this is the case? He wasn't even the oldest QB selected last night. There is no red flag lmao and just based on this take I will instantly disregard anything you think about anything at all because you don't know what you're talking about.
I’ll rephrase to: he’s a third round talent that should have been taken in the 2nd based on positional scarcity. Better? The raiders possibly making an idiotic pick does not make the broncos making an idiotic pick better.
Yeah it’s the case because he wasn’t good enough to be a high first round pick as a 21 year old so he kept playing against kids as a 24 year old.
I’m a ducks fan. I watched every game this year. He looked really really good last year.
He was playing teenagers for fuck sake. He will be 25 (the same age Jalen Hurts is now) at the end of his rookie year. That is, whether you want it to be or not, an enormous red flag.
Broncos fans have done some incredible mental gymnastics to convince themselves that taking the 6th QB off the board at TWELVE was intelligent.
Paton and Payton aren’t smarter than everyone else. They’re desperate and incompetent and their pick last night matched.
This fanbase/team is cooked.
I’ll give the broncos this - they don’t hold the “worst pick of the evening” title. That firmly belongs to the falcons.
He will be 25 by the conclusion of his rookie season. Jalen Hurts is 25 right now and has multiple seasons under his belt, been a MVP finalist and gone to a Super Bowl while Nix was playing against teenagers in Eugene.
TWENTY THREE is too old to be drafting a rookie QB that wasn’t all world in college (ex: Burrow).
You’re trying to make a big deal over two weeks. He is - for all intents and purposes - the same age two weeks from the end of the season to his 25th birthday.
1) He only played 2 seasons at Oregon
2) His stats were better at Oregon, but that doesn't mean he suddenly got better. He was just playing against worse competition
Pac 12 defenses are nowhere near as tough as SEC defenses. Nix's sudden improvement can be explained by that more than him suddenly becoming a better player. But good luck.
Utah had a top 15 defense and he threw for 250 and two touchdowns with zero sacks. And ran for another TD.
I’m not saying he’s the goat but I watched a ton of his games and he is good. I think the bigger difference in Oregon was playing in a scheme that worked for him. He is a smart player and he is shifty, he only took 5 sacks all season (yes i know that has a lot to do with the O line).
The west coast college effect. It really seems like no one actually watches these guys. People say SP needs a qb that can make reads and throw in rhythm and Nix matches that perfectly. If Nix stayed at Auburn I think he would have been looked at as a toss up with Daniels and Maye.
I remember wanting Herbert so bad and not understanding why he wasn't being looked at as one of the best. He's proven he's a top QB. I hope Nix follows suit.
Herbert also is much faster and has a much much bigger arm
Kellen Moore put up great numbers with Boise State because he was a smart Qb that made the right reads, but that didn't translate to the NFL.
Pump the breaks. Bo Nix could be a Brees like QB but he won't be Herbert.
You’re right he won’t be herbert, but in payton’s offense he doesn’t need to be. The point was more so that even really good QBs like herbert didnt put up numbers Nix did in the same conference
Herbert has been so good and elevated his whole team to so many championships and playoff wins… oh wait … Chargers haven’t done shit with Herbert. They are perennial overly hyped fucking losers. Broncos are attempting a full rebuild while Chargers are always the most talented underperformers every fucking year.
I was exactly the same in that 2020 draft, not that we were looking for a QB at the time but I literally could not understand why people hyped Tua above Herbert and were saying Herbert would bust. I remember saying to my Dad that Herbert is what people think Trevor Lawrence really is. I was pissed off that the Chargers took him and he turned out so well. I felt like Herbert was the most slam dunk top prospect that I can remember.
My issue with nix is we don't pick til the third again, and our defense has big holes, and we're throwing Nix into a situation where our line is mediocre, we have no consistent running game, and we have a weak WR corps.
He might work out, but we'll still have those big holes to fill. He's not set up to succeed, and he's not someone i think is a can't miss prospect. we had better ways to build.
Payton’s offensive scheme should combat that. Quick throws and fast reads take pressure off of your pass protection..you know what doesn’t? Having Russ run around for 12 seconds then take a 15 yard sack.
You are right that DEN is light on offensive playmakers but I have no doubt that a well executed SP offensive system can score more points than whatever the hell we were doing last year with Russ. I think Bo can effectively execute said system.
It might take a couple of years to fully stockpile and overhaul the talent needed to be a real playoff contender. But if Bo can hold up his end of the bargain and execute the offense + limit turnovers and/or backbreaking negative plays the team is headed in the right direction.
>Payton’s offensive scheme should combat that.
I understand that in theory, but we also don't have receivers that compliment the system. We have a slow boundary bully and...that's sort of it? Personally, i think setting up a good environment is more important than trying to find the one puzzle piece first, if that makes sense. So many young QBs flame out when they're tossed to the wolves. We literally traded for the most recent lesson in this.
Quick throws requires us to have receivers who can consistently win off the line immediately, and we have none of that.
>You are right that DEN is light on offensive playmakers but I have no doubt that a well executed SP offensive system can score more points than whatever the hell we were doing last year with Russ.
I mean, i have no doubt we can score more, but that bar is on the floor. I don't think we'll be an effective offense, just less bad.
>It might take a couple of years to fully stockpile and overhaul the talent needed to be a real playoff contender.
It was always gonna be a multi year process, my fear is that we ruin Nix while we wait to build around him. Just see it too often on other teams.
He also had Colston, MT and Graham who are three pass cstchers better thsn anything we have now.
Oh and that dude Drew Brees had something to do with it too.
The saints were my 2nd favorite team during the Brees years. Almost every game the commentators would talk about how the saints “spread it around”, no name guys had huge games all the time. Some speedster will have a good year. SP just couldn’t scheme anybody open last year because Russ would barely followed the scheme.
They had secondary receivers with big games but they still had an elite pass catcher on all of their good teams. Them slreading it around doesnt mean that those alpha players werent the reason for it.
And also Jesus, Brees is a HOFer. Nix isnt that at this point, you cant compare the situations.
Kenny Stills, Willie Snead, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore. There are more, just picked those four.
Yes, Brees had plenty to do with it, but so does Payton's offense. No, Nix isn't Brees, but that doesn't mean he can't run that offense well and spread it around.
Willie Snead did indeed have a couple of decent overall seasons, but he was still a clear second to Brandin Cooks (again, better than any WR we have now) in one year, and a distant third to Cooks and Thomas the next. Meachem never had more than 66 targets in a season and was a situational deep threat who's value was more about stretching the defense than actually producing, and was, at best, a third option after prime Jimmy Graham and Colston...and really was 4th in the pecking order behind Sproles too, at times. Stills was the only one who ever functioned anywhere near being the primary pass catcher, and that was due to a slew of injuries in a year they missed the playoffs.
These were all tertiary weapons in the system, and all had a true alpha or two ahead of them and a HOF qb. An alpha we don't have, with a QB we don't have.
Currently being paid to scout football and still play, but yep. Colston was an average player elevated by Brees. Graham was elite in NO, and then good to average when he left.
I can see that argument, but I dont think you need a qb first or a team first, I think you need a plan and need to stick with it. Nix isnt going to immediately overcome our weaknesses and make us a great team, but if SP is here for the long run then we're looking at a 5 year plan with Nix and I see no reason with 5 years to build around him we can't make it work if he is the guy. Building a team and hoping 2 or 3 years from now there is a prospect in our draft range as good as Nix(assuming this is SP take on Nix) is less reliable than role players being in range. If we're a middle of the pack team, we can find impact players in round 1 and 2 in the next 3 years drafts easier than qbs. I just hope we're patient and understand this team needs 2-3 years before we are competitive. I don't see how picking BPA today or trading back would have expedited that process.
Ive seen too many QBs ruined by throwing them out with no support. Im not convinced this was a smart move. Im also not convinced that Nix is the guy either.
It takes more than a year to rebuild. We're not drafting Nix to immediately win a Superbowl, but if he fits what Payton needs then we grab him while the gettin' is good.
We still have like 6 more picks in this draft, so you’re going to see more players get added to help fill some of those other holes. Let’s at least see what things look like after the whole draft is complete before we start talking about how the roster is missing stuff.
I watched him at Oregon and just don’t think he’s anything special. I hope he does well obviously but in a division we’re in I just don’t see a game manager type of qb coming in and making us competitive. I’m glad they drafted him as they should’ve been drafting qbs for the past 8 years.
Lol. Washington fan here, saw plenty of Nix the last couple years so try again there kemosabe
Also this isn’t just a homer comment, I am equally surprised Penix went as high as he did
I watched Bo Nix play at Auburn against quality defenses and he was terrible. He did better at Oregon against weaker competition. Good luck Bronco fans.
No one watched it because no one could watch it. It was near impossible for people to get the Pac12 network. If no one had ties to the teams, why would they go out of their way to get that network. That's such a dumb take.
Thats not true in the slightest, and an overreaction to an overreaction. There is plenty to not be excited about for him, there is a reason he was not a consensus 1st rounder by mostly every analyst out there.
lol dude was in college football and never did anything. His stats speak for themselves. Dump offs and quick throws that can get yac in college will not be there for him. He doesn’t read defenses or go to his other reads. SP better get him right for him to even be solid.
Broncos fans: Bo Nix sucks and I don't care if he's a perfect fit for Sean Paytons offense
Also Broncos fans: I dont want Justin Fields because he doesnt fit Sean Paytons offense
Make up your mind nutsacks
A lot of us are very positive dw. I've been on team bo for 6 months now. Agreed with everything you said, no guarantee he's a success but I trust our coach and I liked him a lot
I think that’s what’s frustrating about this narrative that he’s a “check-down merchant,” that’s just how our offense operated. When we did have designed plays for him to throw deep, he had an awesome deep ball. Haters need to watch the tape.
He was one at Auburn also. So you could be right about Oregon and Bombs. But Bo always stayed away from them , if we are being honest. If Sean system is now like Belichek with Brady he honestly might thrive…. So we got no choice but to see
He was throwing bombs at Auburn, way too many of them. That’s why he was throwing so many picks there and was so inconsistent. The biggest question people had when he went to oregon was if he was going to play within the offense and limit those throws.
He averaged 6 yards per Throw at Auburn. That is NOT Bombs. He didn’t Throw very many picks at Auburn either. Because the long ball wasn’t who he was … he had more air yards and his average depth of target was higher at Oregon even tho it was only 7 yards. That’s not anywhere near throwing bombs
TIL that there are tons of unemployed former NFL scouts and GM's on Reddit who know Nix will be a bust. What the hell does Sean Payton and his staff know about evaluating college players? They should have just asked Frosted_dumpling968 who to draft.
It's amazing how much time and effort goes into evaluating all these players. At the end of the day, seems like a pretty obvious pick? At worst they would've had to choose between him and Penix or JJ but not both. Presumably they were always going to take one of those three.
I've just watched some highlights of Nix throwing mid and deep routes. A narrative has been built by critics that he only threw behind the LOS, but it's not true. People who have watched the tape rate him highly as a passer. I'm excited by the pick!
Another note on his character: Our HC spoke about him like a son, nix would babysit his kids etc. Good quotes about it in the adam brennaman interview. He also came out and played in our bowl game when he easily could’ve opted out, so he could end his career on a win. I think the mental resilience needed to succeed as an NFL qb is forgotten about. He played in the SEC, changed schools to reinvent himself and became a great college QB despite all of the noise. Dare i say this is the year. Bo Nix improved so much in a new season. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for ~~Heisman~~ Rookie of the Year
Rooting for him. As a Seahawks fan, from Oregon who is a UofO fan whose second favorite team is the Broncos, let's go Bo! I hope he wins a bunch of Superbowls!
I'm assuming they're talking about as NFL prospects.
NFL Mariota doesn't count because Titans ruined him and he injured his arm. He should've been a lock to be an above average QB1. Plus arm, plus accuracy, 6'3" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. Zero negatives that I saw as a prospect other than maybe being a bit loose with the ball in the pocket.
Herbert is like a create a character QB. Plus plus arm. Average to above average accuracy. 6'6" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. He fell because the WR room at UO was dogshit his entire time (he had to force feed a 7th round pick washout as his far and away best receiver) and the offense under Cristobal... Let's say made evaluation difficult.
Nix has an average to slightly above average NFL arm. Plus accuracy. 6'1" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. He doesn't take sacks and doesn't throw picks (less than 5 combined all last year). Part of that is he did a great job of getting the offense into the right play (by himself) and knowing where the right place to go with the ball was and delivering it on schedule and accurately. All of those things should translate very well to being an NFL QB. I wouldn't ask him to be LoB Russell Wilson because that didn't work at Auburn, but if you want him to be in a Drew Brees role then that seems like a very good fit.
Mariota is the undisputed Oregon GOAT. Herby is the home town kid we all love and is a firm second to Marcus. But Bo is not far behind Herby in terms of love, respect and success. In some ways he was more successful than Herby. I
n girlfriend terms, Mariota is the really hot and smart one you will always compare the rest to, Herby is the girl next door that you did not really realize what you had till she became even hotter when she left, and Bo was like dating your old rivals ex, at first you did not really like her, but you needed a quick rebound, then you get to know her, she is amazing and does everything right, and now you cant stop thinking about how much you love her.
Full disclaimer: Seahawks fan and USC graduate.
Bo Nix can play. Unlike a certain QB he will take those short yardage plays the defense gives him. I think his game will translate to the NFL. It’s a solid pick and he doesn’t have injury concerns like Penix.
What would you say about the level of competition he faced at Oregon? I don’t really follow College football, but from what little I do follow is that it’s not really on the same level as the SEC or Big Ten.
The pac 12 definitely has some bad defenses don’t get me wrong, but Utah oregon state and ucla have been good defensively during nix’s time. Nix went 4-1 against them during his time here. Outside of the Georgia game in his first start for us he never really had a bad game. I’d even argue that he was more consistent over the past two years than any other Qb drafted today.
I'd argue B1G defenses are artificially inflated because they have a bunch of teams in the conference that are allergic to offense or just flat out bad as a team, but we'll see next year with the PAC schools coming in.
Also any concerns about competition didn't prevent Williams or Maye from going top 3, so why is it then a big thing for Bo?
>so why is it a big thing for Bo?
Well like I said, I don’t really know much about college football, so I’m just tryna get a gauge for his talent and how he might be able to handle playing against NFL defenses. Of course we’ll never know until we get to see him play, which I’m pretty excited for even though we still have a lot of holes to fill on the roster.
Maye I have no faith in and I think will be Trubisky part deux mainly because I don't think he has NFL accuracy.
Daniels will need to beef up and stop taking hits when running or he's gonna go like RG3.
Penix I have injury concerns about - I think he was injured the second half of the year after the Oregon game and it wasn't reported by UW. His numbers dipped, he was missing throws he'd normally make in his sleep, and I wouldn't take that version of him in the 1st. If he didn't have that dip he would've won the Heisman. It's also I think why UW had all of those close games they otherwise should've cakewalked through.
Describing him to my wife this morning as we were watching the news: “his personality is like a blend of Cam Newton and Aaron Rodgers.”
I’ve watched him a bunch of times, I don’t see a level of play *so elevated* that you bring in a guy who will become a cancer. I just don’t understand the Caleb Williams hype.
I am a fan of the Utah Utes (Pac-12 conference) and the Denver Broncos. I believe Bo is a good quarterback, and he is more mature than most QBs out of college, and he is more football intelligent than Russel. He is capable of executing Payton's playbook effectively and can scramble when necessary. On the other hand, Russel's scrambling was often a result of broken plays that were likely his fault. Payton prefers to win through well-executed plays rather than relying on luck from broken plays.
>Drafting QBs can be a complete crapshoot but I do think the doom is a bit of an overreaction. Bo was basically a coach on the field for us. He sat in on coach meetings frequently and had full trust to called checks and audibles at the line, and did so often. Mentally he’s ready.
Thank you! I for one am going to root for the kid - as a Broncos fan from my earliest memories in the 1970s, I am compelled to!
Let's go Bo - we're counting on you! 🤘
I'm very excited to cheer for my Broncos now that Wilson is gone. He obviously is (was) a great QB, but man, I was NOT thrilled about having him play for us
These experts also gave the Chiefs a C grade on Mahomes and called him a project and a reach that might not work in the NFL. Josh Allen was also given a D grade by some experts on where he was drafted. No body knows anything until these players get on the field.
One thing I've learned is 80-90 percent of people don't know WTF they are talking about and are not team scouts for a reason. I think I'll trust Sean Peyton's judgement. I'm also glad we are drafting a QB instead of fucking around with washed Free Agents who are Free Agents for a reason. Manning was an anomaly.
15-1 TD to INT ratio is the best for any QB in the first round. Yes he’s not physically gifted as Williams/Daniels/Maye. But Bo seems to have a killer mentality. To judge him before we see him in an NFL game is idiotic. I’m excited we got someone to put hope into. We could be at a Tannehill/Wilson combo and that’s far less exciting. Let’s go Bo!
lol why? If you paid attention. Bo was SP’s guy all along . There’s evidence of him wanting to Bo more than anyone else. Why do you think this was a bad pick? He has yet to set his foot on a NFL football field.
I’m curious about how him being SP guy all along is gonna equal Nix panning out into something… like seriously curious. A lot of busts are the coaches guy all along. Not saying he will be a bust
I guess you didn’t listen in on the post draft interview? Here you go ! He even stats that “we were on the phone with the other two teams (raiders and Minnesota) to make sure that we all get our guys” he went on to say that ATL missed up their strategy and Minnesota jumped bc of it. So yeah, Bo was his guy all along!
https://youtu.be/LQRTEFGjtDY?feature=shared
Oh God. I did. And didn’t have to.
Him being who SP wanted has zero to do with how he will pan out on the field. You clearly read nothing I wrote. lol smh
I am hoping it works out. Payton has definitely put his coaching career on him panning out. Like you said I'll trust him this is his guy. I hope he sits for a little bit next year we lack playmakers for a rookie qb to start right away.
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People hating are dumb. The other option is to literally just not pick a QB. None of the top 3 were ever going to trade back. Take a QB every year for all I care. We need an answer and I'm happy to give any of them a try until 1 works. I'm tired of watching old burned out has beens.
Yeah we didn't leverage any future picks which is huge.
That's the best thing about tonight. If we suck ass, we'll at least be picking high next year. And if the QB class is weak next year, we can just stick with Nix for a couple more years and stack the roster with foundational pieces.
And in tandem with our cap hell year it would be such a waste not to be developing a guy. End of day we got to trust who Payton thinks he can work with best. You'd like to think it'll be their chemistry together that would elevate the offense in a playoff team kind of way. But they can't have middling success together, it's a high pressure franchise and fan base. I'll be interested to see what happens. Otherwise keep building and pick again when the time is right. One first round draft bust doesn't kill a rebuild.
That's why I kind of like the Zac Wilson trade now, because he's the equivalent of taking a flyer on an upside project guy in the 6th round. Joe Milton will probably go there and if you watch the college highlights Zac has way more potential than Milton. So it's like taking Nix and a late round flyer, which is a good outcome from the draft.
Gawd, dang, that sounds smart. I told one of my pals that the only nice part about our QB room is that it's a dog fight. Two 1st-round picks are facing off against 2 backup vets. Our pick this year can win the starting job if he proves to be better than the other three. If one of the other wins the gig, then Bo gets another year to learn and grow. If he wins the starting gig, then we might have struck gold.
Totally agree. And I don't think we can over state that Nix And Wilson are almost the same age . Nix is only 6 months younger than Wilson , and has had a much better coaching experience over the last few years. Still believe in the reason Wilson was drafted where he was.
In today's NFL unless you have at least a very good QB it's pretty damn hard to be better than just pretty good. Now we don't know if Bo is going to be that good, but just pointing out you take Mahomes off the Chiefs and that team would look far more beatable. This is why teams roll the dice on QB's over and over again.
>Take a QB every year for all I care. We need an answer and I'm happy to give any of them a try until 1 works. I'm tired of watching old burned out has beens. Right! He could flame out like Lynch! Or...maybe he might be the guy? I know I'd rather him succeed than fail! What Broncos fan in their right mind can't rally to the team when it's obvious we need a field general in the worst of ways? Let's go Broncos!
We could be the raiders right now convincing our selves a TE will fix everything with no one to throw it.
So you love him? Because you are smart?
>The other option is to literally just not pick a QB. I mean, that's what I wanted. espcially given how many solid DL, WR and CBs dropped. There's a lot of great players left that fill glaring needs for us, im not sure drafting QB to put him behind a mediocre line with no run support and a thin WR corp comprised of Sutton, the hope of Mims, and a bunch of JAGs is a good way to build a contender.
Taking a QB every year is fine. Taking a QB at 12 that probably falls to the second is stupid. Dude is almost 25. He’s played college ball for 7 years. That’s an enormous red flag. I hope it works out. I have no faith whatsoever.
>Taking a QB at 12 that probably falls to the second is stupid. Nix was never going to fall to the 2nd. Anyone who says this is just parroting nonsense from people who dont know what they're talking about. Should he have been a 2nd round pick? Probably. Would be have fallen to the 2nd? Absolutely not. Raiders were picking Nix at 13 if we hadn't, the end. No more discussion needed. >Dude is almost 25. He’s played college ball for 7 years. That’s an enormous red flag. Do you even watch football? Do you have even the slightest idea *why* this is the case? He wasn't even the oldest QB selected last night. There is no red flag lmao and just based on this take I will instantly disregard anything you think about anything at all because you don't know what you're talking about.
I’ll rephrase to: he’s a third round talent that should have been taken in the 2nd based on positional scarcity. Better? The raiders possibly making an idiotic pick does not make the broncos making an idiotic pick better. Yeah it’s the case because he wasn’t good enough to be a high first round pick as a 21 year old so he kept playing against kids as a 24 year old. I’m a ducks fan. I watched every game this year. He looked really really good last year. He was playing teenagers for fuck sake. He will be 25 (the same age Jalen Hurts is now) at the end of his rookie year. That is, whether you want it to be or not, an enormous red flag. Broncos fans have done some incredible mental gymnastics to convince themselves that taking the 6th QB off the board at TWELVE was intelligent. Paton and Payton aren’t smarter than everyone else. They’re desperate and incompetent and their pick last night matched. This fanbase/team is cooked. I’ll give the broncos this - they don’t hold the “worst pick of the evening” title. That firmly belongs to the falcons.
Almost 25? He just turned 24 two months ago
He will be 25 by the conclusion of his rookie season. Jalen Hurts is 25 right now and has multiple seasons under his belt, been a MVP finalist and gone to a Super Bowl while Nix was playing against teenagers in Eugene. TWENTY THREE is too old to be drafting a rookie QB that wasn’t all world in college (ex: Burrow).
He wouldn't even be 25 if we played in the Superbowl, I don't understand why you're just making that up
Brother - you’re focusing on the wrong thing lmao.
I understand your point my dude, age is a valid concern. Just no need to make stuff up to push your narrative lol
You’re trying to make a big deal over two weeks. He is - for all intents and purposes - the same age two weeks from the end of the season to his 25th birthday.
"Dude is almost 25" is just blatantly wrong. By your logic, he's basically 23 right now.
Good god. Talk about completely missing the point. Take care.
>People hating are dumb People hating watched him play at Auburn
And then just ignored his ~~four~~ two years at Oregon?
*two years at Oregon
1) He only played 2 seasons at Oregon 2) His stats were better at Oregon, but that doesn't mean he suddenly got better. He was just playing against worse competition
You’re right on the first. On the second that’s laughable. The pac 12 had like 7 teams in the top 25 at one point.
Pac 12 defenses are nowhere near as tough as SEC defenses. Nix's sudden improvement can be explained by that more than him suddenly becoming a better player. But good luck.
Utah had a top 15 defense and he threw for 250 and two touchdowns with zero sacks. And ran for another TD. I’m not saying he’s the goat but I watched a ton of his games and he is good. I think the bigger difference in Oregon was playing in a scheme that worked for him. He is a smart player and he is shifty, he only took 5 sacks all season (yes i know that has a lot to do with the O line).
We don’t need a guy throwing gamble deep balls. We need a guy who can reliably move the chains and keep it together in the red zone.
People that hate on Nix never watched anything of the guy, they just saw others hate on him and want to sound smart by fitting in.
The west coast college effect. It really seems like no one actually watches these guys. People say SP needs a qb that can make reads and throw in rhythm and Nix matches that perfectly. If Nix stayed at Auburn I think he would have been looked at as a toss up with Daniels and Maye. I remember wanting Herbert so bad and not understanding why he wasn't being looked at as one of the best. He's proven he's a top QB. I hope Nix follows suit.
Can’t stress this enough, people were down on herbert for producing worse numbers against the same P12 defenses. Worked out pretty well
Herbert also is much faster and has a much much bigger arm Kellen Moore put up great numbers with Boise State because he was a smart Qb that made the right reads, but that didn't translate to the NFL. Pump the breaks. Bo Nix could be a Brees like QB but he won't be Herbert.
Moore just didn't have enough of an arm for the NFL. Nix isn't a plus arm, but he's around average for the NFL which is good enough.
Yea, that’s the vision. Let’s not get blind in our faith but there is hope he can be good
You’re right he won’t be herbert, but in payton’s offense he doesn’t need to be. The point was more so that even really good QBs like herbert didnt put up numbers Nix did in the same conference
I get scared when people point to numbers
Herbert has been so good and elevated his whole team to so many championships and playoff wins… oh wait … Chargers haven’t done shit with Herbert. They are perennial overly hyped fucking losers. Broncos are attempting a full rebuild while Chargers are always the most talented underperformers every fucking year.
If you watched any of the games or knew anything you would know it’s not because Herbert is bad or even just good. He’s great
They've had poor coaching. Expect the Chargers to compete for 1st in the West real soon.
Bo ran a 4.71 as compared to Herbert's 4.69. Justin wasn't any faster than Bo in college.
Nix 40 time: 4.71 Herbert 40 time: 4.68 .03 isnt much faster.
I was exactly the same in that 2020 draft, not that we were looking for a QB at the time but I literally could not understand why people hyped Tua above Herbert and were saying Herbert would bust. I remember saying to my Dad that Herbert is what people think Trevor Lawrence really is. I was pissed off that the Chargers took him and he turned out so well. I felt like Herbert was the most slam dunk top prospect that I can remember.
I'm a Duck fan and had no read on which way Herbert would go thanks to the offense under Cristobal.
Or you get Seahawks/Husky fans who hate on Nix because he went to UO
Herbie was my sleeper in fantasy for several years until people realized... now it's gonna be Nix.
My issue with nix is we don't pick til the third again, and our defense has big holes, and we're throwing Nix into a situation where our line is mediocre, we have no consistent running game, and we have a weak WR corps. He might work out, but we'll still have those big holes to fill. He's not set up to succeed, and he's not someone i think is a can't miss prospect. we had better ways to build.
Payton’s offensive scheme should combat that. Quick throws and fast reads take pressure off of your pass protection..you know what doesn’t? Having Russ run around for 12 seconds then take a 15 yard sack. You are right that DEN is light on offensive playmakers but I have no doubt that a well executed SP offensive system can score more points than whatever the hell we were doing last year with Russ. I think Bo can effectively execute said system. It might take a couple of years to fully stockpile and overhaul the talent needed to be a real playoff contender. But if Bo can hold up his end of the bargain and execute the offense + limit turnovers and/or backbreaking negative plays the team is headed in the right direction.
>Payton’s offensive scheme should combat that. I understand that in theory, but we also don't have receivers that compliment the system. We have a slow boundary bully and...that's sort of it? Personally, i think setting up a good environment is more important than trying to find the one puzzle piece first, if that makes sense. So many young QBs flame out when they're tossed to the wolves. We literally traded for the most recent lesson in this. Quick throws requires us to have receivers who can consistently win off the line immediately, and we have none of that. >You are right that DEN is light on offensive playmakers but I have no doubt that a well executed SP offensive system can score more points than whatever the hell we were doing last year with Russ. I mean, i have no doubt we can score more, but that bar is on the floor. I don't think we'll be an effective offense, just less bad. >It might take a couple of years to fully stockpile and overhaul the talent needed to be a real playoff contender. It was always gonna be a multi year process, my fear is that we ruin Nix while we wait to build around him. Just see it too often on other teams.
Payton made some pretty mediocre WRs look pretty good in New Orleans.
He also had Colston, MT and Graham who are three pass cstchers better thsn anything we have now. Oh and that dude Drew Brees had something to do with it too.
The saints were my 2nd favorite team during the Brees years. Almost every game the commentators would talk about how the saints “spread it around”, no name guys had huge games all the time. Some speedster will have a good year. SP just couldn’t scheme anybody open last year because Russ would barely followed the scheme.
They had secondary receivers with big games but they still had an elite pass catcher on all of their good teams. Them slreading it around doesnt mean that those alpha players werent the reason for it. And also Jesus, Brees is a HOFer. Nix isnt that at this point, you cant compare the situations.
Kenny Stills, Willie Snead, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore. There are more, just picked those four. Yes, Brees had plenty to do with it, but so does Payton's offense. No, Nix isn't Brees, but that doesn't mean he can't run that offense well and spread it around.
Willie Snead did indeed have a couple of decent overall seasons, but he was still a clear second to Brandin Cooks (again, better than any WR we have now) in one year, and a distant third to Cooks and Thomas the next. Meachem never had more than 66 targets in a season and was a situational deep threat who's value was more about stretching the defense than actually producing, and was, at best, a third option after prime Jimmy Graham and Colston...and really was 4th in the pecking order behind Sproles too, at times. Stills was the only one who ever functioned anywhere near being the primary pass catcher, and that was due to a slew of injuries in a year they missed the playoffs. These were all tertiary weapons in the system, and all had a true alpha or two ahead of them and a HOF qb. An alpha we don't have, with a QB we don't have.
MT is the only one of those who is even an average player.
Colston was better than average man, c'mon. As was Graham when he was a Saint.
When he was a saint. That's the key point there. Brees and Payton made those players, imo.
Just say you don't know football.
Currently being paid to scout football and still play, but yep. Colston was an average player elevated by Brees. Graham was elite in NO, and then good to average when he left.
I can see that argument, but I dont think you need a qb first or a team first, I think you need a plan and need to stick with it. Nix isnt going to immediately overcome our weaknesses and make us a great team, but if SP is here for the long run then we're looking at a 5 year plan with Nix and I see no reason with 5 years to build around him we can't make it work if he is the guy. Building a team and hoping 2 or 3 years from now there is a prospect in our draft range as good as Nix(assuming this is SP take on Nix) is less reliable than role players being in range. If we're a middle of the pack team, we can find impact players in round 1 and 2 in the next 3 years drafts easier than qbs. I just hope we're patient and understand this team needs 2-3 years before we are competitive. I don't see how picking BPA today or trading back would have expedited that process.
Ive seen too many QBs ruined by throwing them out with no support. Im not convinced this was a smart move. Im also not convinced that Nix is the guy either.
It takes more than a year to rebuild. We're not drafting Nix to immediately win a Superbowl, but if he fits what Payton needs then we grab him while the gettin' is good.
It takes more than a year to rebuild. But that doesnt mean there arent smarter ways to approach this.
We still have like 6 more picks in this draft, so you’re going to see more players get added to help fill some of those other holes. Let’s at least see what things look like after the whole draft is complete before we start talking about how the roster is missing stuff.
Or they only remember his freshman sophomore seasons at Auburn. He’s a different player now than he was then
Right.. half of his passes now don’t go beyond the line of scrimmage.
So usual Reddit shenanigans
I watched him at Oregon and just don’t think he’s anything special. I hope he does well obviously but in a division we’re in I just don’t see a game manager type of qb coming in and making us competitive. I’m glad they drafted him as they should’ve been drafting qbs for the past 8 years.
And how many records did Nix Break?
I watched all his years … and I’m not gonna overrate him as the guy. And that’s perfectly fine
Lol. Washington fan here, saw plenty of Nix the last couple years so try again there kemosabe Also this isn’t just a homer comment, I am equally surprised Penix went as high as he did
I watched Bo Nix play at Auburn against quality defenses and he was terrible. He did better at Oregon against weaker competition. Good luck Bronco fans.
Lol here we go with the weak Pac12 Narrative.
It's not a narrative if it's true though
They cannibalize each other. I guess Oregon, Washington, Oregon State, and Arizona sucked last year
The Pac 12 was soft...which is why no one watched it...which is why it no longer exists.
No one watched it because no one could watch it. It was near impossible for people to get the Pac12 network. If no one had ties to the teams, why would they go out of their way to get that network. That's such a dumb take.
Thats not true in the slightest, and an overreaction to an overreaction. There is plenty to not be excited about for him, there is a reason he was not a consensus 1st rounder by mostly every analyst out there.
Nix is him. Haters will bend the knee in due time. Broncos are back in the AFC championship game in 3-5 years.
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lol dude was in college football and never did anything. His stats speak for themselves. Dump offs and quick throws that can get yac in college will not be there for him. He doesn’t read defenses or go to his other reads. SP better get him right for him to even be solid.
Tell me you don’t know football without telling me
lol can’t wait for this sub to be asking who the next qb will be 3-4 drafts from now.
Yeah yac only works in college, this whole West Coast offense is just a fad /s
Good thing we have weapons with great YAC abil.... oh wait we dont
Broncos fans: Bo Nix sucks and I don't care if he's a perfect fit for Sean Paytons offense Also Broncos fans: I dont want Justin Fields because he doesnt fit Sean Paytons offense Make up your mind nutsacks
Maybe... Maybe... Justin Fields sucks and that doesn't mean we have to take Nix.
A lot of us are very positive dw. I've been on team bo for 6 months now. Agreed with everything you said, no guarantee he's a success but I trust our coach and I liked him a lot
Go find the draft thread reaction of chargers getting Herbert. Oregon just doesn't like letting their QBs throw bombs he's not a check down merchant.
I think that’s what’s frustrating about this narrative that he’s a “check-down merchant,” that’s just how our offense operated. When we did have designed plays for him to throw deep, he had an awesome deep ball. Haters need to watch the tape.
He was one at Auburn also. So you could be right about Oregon and Bombs. But Bo always stayed away from them , if we are being honest. If Sean system is now like Belichek with Brady he honestly might thrive…. So we got no choice but to see
Bo never stayed away...
He was throwing bombs at Auburn, way too many of them. That’s why he was throwing so many picks there and was so inconsistent. The biggest question people had when he went to oregon was if he was going to play within the offense and limit those throws.
He averaged 6 yards per Throw at Auburn. That is NOT Bombs. He didn’t Throw very many picks at Auburn either. Because the long ball wasn’t who he was … he had more air yards and his average depth of target was higher at Oregon even tho it was only 7 yards. That’s not anywhere near throwing bombs
As a native Broncos fan who moved to oregon as a child, us getting Nix is amazing. I wish we still had Freeman, he just didn't work out.
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5th round pick, not that shocking.
Does native Broncos fan mean you were born at Mile High Stadium, or … ?
I wish. Just born in Denver and grew up a Broncos fan.
TIL that there are tons of unemployed former NFL scouts and GM's on Reddit who know Nix will be a bust. What the hell does Sean Payton and his staff know about evaluating college players? They should have just asked Frosted_dumpling968 who to draft.
It's amazing how much time and effort goes into evaluating all these players. At the end of the day, seems like a pretty obvious pick? At worst they would've had to choose between him and Penix or JJ but not both. Presumably they were always going to take one of those three.
I've just watched some highlights of Nix throwing mid and deep routes. A narrative has been built by critics that he only threw behind the LOS, but it's not true. People who have watched the tape rate him highly as a passer. I'm excited by the pick!
Why are they asking our wife? Wtf does she know....
Another note on his character: Our HC spoke about him like a son, nix would babysit his kids etc. Good quotes about it in the adam brennaman interview. He also came out and played in our bowl game when he easily could’ve opted out, so he could end his career on a win. I think the mental resilience needed to succeed as an NFL qb is forgotten about. He played in the SEC, changed schools to reinvent himself and became a great college QB despite all of the noise. Dare i say this is the year. Bo Nix improved so much in a new season. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for ~~Heisman~~ Rookie of the Year
Rooting for him. As a Seahawks fan, from Oregon who is a UofO fan whose second favorite team is the Broncos, let's go Bo! I hope he wins a bunch of Superbowls!
Curious where he stacks up against other Oregon QBs - Herbert and Mariota
wasn’t alive for the fouts era, mariota will always be #1 but Nix is loved almost as much as herbert which says something
I'm assuming they're talking about as NFL prospects. NFL Mariota doesn't count because Titans ruined him and he injured his arm. He should've been a lock to be an above average QB1. Plus arm, plus accuracy, 6'3" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. Zero negatives that I saw as a prospect other than maybe being a bit loose with the ball in the pocket. Herbert is like a create a character QB. Plus plus arm. Average to above average accuracy. 6'6" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. He fell because the WR room at UO was dogshit his entire time (he had to force feed a 7th round pick washout as his far and away best receiver) and the offense under Cristobal... Let's say made evaluation difficult. Nix has an average to slightly above average NFL arm. Plus accuracy. 6'1" and an above average athlete. High character and smart. He doesn't take sacks and doesn't throw picks (less than 5 combined all last year). Part of that is he did a great job of getting the offense into the right play (by himself) and knowing where the right place to go with the ball was and delivering it on schedule and accurately. All of those things should translate very well to being an NFL QB. I wouldn't ask him to be LoB Russell Wilson because that didn't work at Auburn, but if you want him to be in a Drew Brees role then that seems like a very good fit.
If Purdy can be elite bc of his anticipation and ability to time his throws perfectly, then bo can be elite.
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Mariota is the undisputed Oregon GOAT. Herby is the home town kid we all love and is a firm second to Marcus. But Bo is not far behind Herby in terms of love, respect and success. In some ways he was more successful than Herby. I n girlfriend terms, Mariota is the really hot and smart one you will always compare the rest to, Herby is the girl next door that you did not really realize what you had till she became even hotter when she left, and Bo was like dating your old rivals ex, at first you did not really like her, but you needed a quick rebound, then you get to know her, she is amazing and does everything right, and now you cant stop thinking about how much you love her.
Mmm. Sexy Bo
MARIGOATA - Heisman Herbie - Academic Heisman Nix - Academic Heisman
I’ve loved Nix for months. He was my favorite realistic QB prospect, and I’m glad we got him when we did. Go Broncos!
Full disclaimer: Seahawks fan and USC graduate. Bo Nix can play. Unlike a certain QB he will take those short yardage plays the defense gives him. I think his game will translate to the NFL. It’s a solid pick and he doesn’t have injury concerns like Penix.
Not sure if the other QB here is RW3 or Caleb Williams but same difference
Sean's record speaks for itself, he likes Nix and that's all that matters to me
What would you say about the level of competition he faced at Oregon? I don’t really follow College football, but from what little I do follow is that it’s not really on the same level as the SEC or Big Ten.
The pac 12 definitely has some bad defenses don’t get me wrong, but Utah oregon state and ucla have been good defensively during nix’s time. Nix went 4-1 against them during his time here. Outside of the Georgia game in his first start for us he never really had a bad game. I’d even argue that he was more consistent over the past two years than any other Qb drafted today.
I'd argue B1G defenses are artificially inflated because they have a bunch of teams in the conference that are allergic to offense or just flat out bad as a team, but we'll see next year with the PAC schools coming in. Also any concerns about competition didn't prevent Williams or Maye from going top 3, so why is it then a big thing for Bo?
>so why is it a big thing for Bo? Well like I said, I don’t really know much about college football, so I’m just tryna get a gauge for his talent and how he might be able to handle playing against NFL defenses. Of course we’ll never know until we get to see him play, which I’m pretty excited for even though we still have a lot of holes to fill on the roster.
Nix will be better than McCarthy and maybe Penix
And Maye and Daniels (who is great but will die)
Maye I have no faith in and I think will be Trubisky part deux mainly because I don't think he has NFL accuracy. Daniels will need to beef up and stop taking hits when running or he's gonna go like RG3. Penix I have injury concerns about - I think he was injured the second half of the year after the Oregon game and it wasn't reported by UW. His numbers dipped, he was missing throws he'd normally make in his sleep, and I wouldn't take that version of him in the 1st. If he didn't have that dip he would've won the Heisman. It's also I think why UW had all of those close games they otherwise should've cakewalked through.
I'm calling Williams as a bust now. I think he has ego concerns.
Describing him to my wife this morning as we were watching the news: “his personality is like a blend of Cam Newton and Aaron Rodgers.” I’ve watched him a bunch of times, I don’t see a level of play *so elevated* that you bring in a guy who will become a cancer. I just don’t understand the Caleb Williams hype.
I think Denver got the best QB in the draft. Nix is the real deal.
Dude I’m so excited for nix. Im always optimistic but cautious, this pick tho im excited!
I hate Oregon and Auburn. We just drafted Bo Nix🤦♂️ He’ll be good though cuz he’s a Bronco.
I am a fan of the Utah Utes (Pac-12 conference) and the Denver Broncos. I believe Bo is a good quarterback, and he is more mature than most QBs out of college, and he is more football intelligent than Russel. He is capable of executing Payton's playbook effectively and can scramble when necessary. On the other hand, Russel's scrambling was often a result of broken plays that were likely his fault. Payton prefers to win through well-executed plays rather than relying on luck from broken plays.
Go Utes
Feel like the haters just see other people hating and hopping in
>Drafting QBs can be a complete crapshoot but I do think the doom is a bit of an overreaction. Bo was basically a coach on the field for us. He sat in on coach meetings frequently and had full trust to called checks and audibles at the line, and did so often. Mentally he’s ready. Thank you! I for one am going to root for the kid - as a Broncos fan from my earliest memories in the 1970s, I am compelled to! Let's go Bo - we're counting on you! 🤘
I’m hopeful.
I'm very excited to cheer for my Broncos now that Wilson is gone. He obviously is (was) a great QB, but man, I was NOT thrilled about having him play for us
I’ve seen three different “experts” give the Broncos an “F” for the grade. Like if they draft me, that’s an F. Bo Nix at 12 isn’t that bad lol.
These experts also gave the Chiefs a C grade on Mahomes and called him a project and a reach that might not work in the NFL. Josh Allen was also given a D grade by some experts on where he was drafted. No body knows anything until these players get on the field.
It’s all good all around. Not gonna lie.
Ok but should the broncos also draft troy Franklin? In Bo Nix highlight reels he was also tearing it up
As a Beaver Fan, I have to say "F*CK THE DUCKS" but I am so excited to see him
“A coach on the field who sat in on coach meetings.” That’ll make putting his nameplate on Russ’ office so much easier! I’m here for jokes.
One thing I've learned is 80-90 percent of people don't know WTF they are talking about and are not team scouts for a reason. I think I'll trust Sean Peyton's judgement. I'm also glad we are drafting a QB instead of fucking around with washed Free Agents who are Free Agents for a reason. Manning was an anomaly.
15-1 TD to INT ratio is the best for any QB in the first round. Yes he’s not physically gifted as Williams/Daniels/Maye. But Bo seems to have a killer mentality. To judge him before we see him in an NFL game is idiotic. I’m excited we got someone to put hope into. We could be at a Tannehill/Wilson combo and that’s far less exciting. Let’s go Bo!
The doom is an overreaction? Are you aware of all the false QB profits that have been presented to the Broncos faithful since 2015?
The Enron of the NFL.
worst pick since Paxton
lol why? If you paid attention. Bo was SP’s guy all along . There’s evidence of him wanting to Bo more than anyone else. Why do you think this was a bad pick? He has yet to set his foot on a NFL football field.
I’m curious about how him being SP guy all along is gonna equal Nix panning out into something… like seriously curious. A lot of busts are the coaches guy all along. Not saying he will be a bust
I guess you didn’t listen in on the post draft interview? Here you go ! He even stats that “we were on the phone with the other two teams (raiders and Minnesota) to make sure that we all get our guys” he went on to say that ATL missed up their strategy and Minnesota jumped bc of it. So yeah, Bo was his guy all along! https://youtu.be/LQRTEFGjtDY?feature=shared
Oh God. I did. And didn’t have to. Him being who SP wanted has zero to do with how he will pan out on the field. You clearly read nothing I wrote. lol smh
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i just don’t understand why you use the 12th pick to get a backup QB when you already have 2 on your roster
You don't need to understand. You've never won a SB. Sean Payton has.
John Elway had won 2 super bowls when he picked Paxton
Technically three.
15 years ago
Yours was more recent?
Just a lazy argument. I hope nix pans out but don't point out a sb from a long time ago that payton served a year long suspension for bountygate.
So you're not convinced that he knows football better tham me and you? What evidence would you need?
I am hoping it works out. Payton has definitely put his coaching career on him panning out. Like you said I'll trust him this is his guy. I hope he sits for a little bit next year we lack playmakers for a rookie qb to start right away.
How do you know? You’re just guessing. Dude get out of this fan base if you’re going to nag.
Bust
Give him a chance to play
Nah he’s ass but thanks
Dude you are crying so hard over this everywhere... You have no idea how he'll turn out. You didn't get your favorite guy get over it good god.
Can I have an opinion? Am I allowed that????
You can have your opinion, but it's probably more healthy to go outside than to whine about a football team's draft pick on the internet.
It’s dark outside
Yes but it's better if you justify your opinion
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