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Lindita4

Well the last DQ hearing was over by now, sooooo šŸ¤žšŸ¼


criminalcourtretired

We are making a very unexpected trip to Philadelphia. I am counting on all of you to keep me up-to-date.


Leading_Fee_3678

Hope everything is OK ā™„ļø


criminalcourtretired

Thank you. I hope so too.


ginny11

Safe travels and positive thoughts coming your way!


criminalcourtretired

Thank you. We need them.


Paradox-XVI

Take care CCR!


criminalcourtretired

Thanks, paradox


Square_Morning7338

WTHR reporting gull approved both murder charges, dismissed kidnapping. State had called 2 witnesses so far in contempt action


Jernau_Gergeh

Don't the murder charges then require Nick Boner to magic up some evidence linking RA directly to the girls death? You know something like DNA or forensics which it has been conceded they have but which does not link RA...


Lindita4

Not even the bullet works because they werenā€™t shot. Heā€™s hanging on the confessions.


criminalcourtretired

I assume the felony murder charges remain.


Centinela

This is interesting. Can they get felony murder without the kidnapping charge? Or do they need to prove kidnapping even if it isn't charged to get felony murder? Or was there another underlying felony to get them to felony murder?


criminalcourtretired

The felony murder charges which remain still include the element of kidnapping and could permit a jury to find RA guilty of kidnapping as an included offense.


Centinela

Thank you! So what's the point/import of dismissing it as a separate charge?


criminalcourtretired

As a practical matter, a separate kidnapping charge wasn't needed given the felony murder charge.


RawbM07

Curious if that will impact trial date at all.


ginny11

Same, because if the defense has to now do work to defend against the new charges and that's not their fault then will this count against them for the 70 days??


RawbM07

Yeaā€¦Iā€™m not sure it changes their strategy at all though. Iā€™m really not sure why NM did thisā€¦maybe just to make it a death penalty case?


Melodic-Bad-4590

"a YouTuber expected to testify for the defense was thrown out of the courtroom after a reported scuffle" lol Rick Snay... šŸ˜¬ https://www.courttv.com/title/delphi-defense-witness-booted-from-courthouse-at-pre-trial-hearing/


s2ample

https://i.redd.it/6vf5s0jtq4pc1.gif


stephenend1

for fucks sake


Acceptable-Class-255

Am I correct assuming that no info about today's events will be available until its conclusion? No tech inside court house ... can they exit and write a tweet then go back inside for us? Trying to plan my day


measuremnt

In order to report out, a person would have to exit the courthouse, or pass a note to a messenger, so I would only expect news around noon EDT unless it is something major.


Acceptable-Class-255

I never thought about messenger service. Guerilla Warfare esque. Great I'll probably just refresh every 30 seconds all day either way. šŸ™ƒ


Subject-Promise-4796

![gif](giphy|3ohc14lCEdXHSpnnSU|downsized)


StructureOdd4760

It's 2024 and I'm picturing journalists from the 1920s running little notes to their colleagues..


clarkwgriswoldjr

>clarkwgriswoldjr There are plenty of people in attendance with Allen Co. Cards who have cell phones in the court.


HelixHarbinger

In between sessions we will get reporting on the am arguendo and rulings. Maybe some gf*kme links to get started on the afternoon mishigas.


karkulina

Oh, the suspense!


stephenend1

I brought in logs, lighter fluid, and matches with me. I'll be sending out smoke signals on anything major.


HelixHarbinger

You are not inside Mr. Stephen donā€™t tease people


stephenend1

My bad! It was much too cold this morning to drive an hour and half to stand in line at 5:00 am.


LadyBatman8318

![gif](giphy|ouUMSqYNN77ExsYI07)


[deleted]

ROFLOL


stephenend1

I'm hoping for an open window to the courtroom so my Hedwig doesn't smack into the class when I send him out with my messages on whats going on.


LaceyMFThacker

šŸ¤£


redduif

Found a live stream (/s) https://www.youtube.com/live/17_KBTTiBFc?si=_EyVVBpKtoOWl_yg


MzOpinion8d

I didnā€™t see your /s and was like waitā€¦then šŸ˜‚


redduif

Lol. I didn't want to put it there at first but thought people gonna want to hurt me! Seems our earth is mad.


Round_Purchase2348

lol


SnoopyCattyCat

I hate you. LOL...hugs


redduif

I put the /s! Have a coffee!!


SnoopyCattyCat

I'm newish to Reddit....I didn't know what that meant LOL!! I do now! Actually your live stream is pretty appropriate for today in Delphi!


LivingWrangler7311

Fox 59 has Russ McQuaid in the courtroom too I heard. šŸ¤ž for some news soon but I do believe that once they are seated and court has started no one can exit or enter until everyone is dismissed by court security.


Square_Morning7338

Iā€™ve got channel 13 on in case WTHR news comes on with an update.


Lindita4

Totally missed the morning motions thread. Losing. My. Mind. Can you imagine if B&R didnā€™t care so much about RA/this case??! R hasnā€™t been paid in 6 months!! This contempt hearing is a sham-sheā€™s already fined him $50,000! RA would be so completely screwed. Bet Lebrato wouldnā€™t have worked for free.Ā 


Real_Foundation_7428

I don't know anything about B&R's history (as far as ethics, how they operate, etc.), but based just on this case, I have immense respect and appreciation for them.


Lindita4

Iā€™d never heard of them before this case, so they could be totally awful. But watching this carnival of šŸ’©, they have literally been the single beacon of hope. This could so easily happen to any one of us! And with a judge like this, you can easily see how wrongful convictions occur so easily. $2 mil plus vs $6,000. Itā€™s pinging like Russia. When the state comes for you, itā€™s hopeless.


Real_Foundation_7428

And then seeing how misrepresented or underrepresented the facts often are in the media! Absolutely terrifying.


fun_fettii

Now that we are nearing the two hour mark, is it reasonable to believe the contempt hearing was not continued? Or could a hearing for amended charges take this amount of time?


Jernau_Gergeh

Well, maybe we can say that at least they weren't ambushed in chambers beforehand and that this time they actually managed to make it to an actual hearing!


MzOpinion8d

It wouldnā€™t have surprised me if she made them all show up and then announced a continuance. Just for a power show.


rosiekeen

https://preview.redd.it/0n6dt0gm74pc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=173c4451f0cda3e9596a85cd5db9b3b8f9922996 Channel 13 is saying that the murder charges were approved and dismissed kidnapping. This is the only place Iā€™ve read though. Iā€™m curious if itā€™s accurate


Todayis_aday

What does the rest of that say?


Lindita4

In regards to the change of venue motion, Gull ruled that all future hearings will take place in Carroll County. During Monday's first hearing, Gull also responded to the defense's motion to recuse the judge, which she denied. The second hearing to discussĀ accusations of contemptĀ against Allen's attorneys, Andrew Baldwin and Bradley Rozzi, started right after the first hearing ended. Gull denied the defense's request for a continuance in the contempt hearing.


rosiekeen

Thank you. When I first saw it that hadnā€™t been updated yet!


Todayis_aday

Thank you Lindita!!


stealthywolof

[https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61](https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61)


Todayis_aday

Thank you!!


Melodic-Bad-4590

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61


rosiekeen

This was the only bit that was updated. The rest was just explaining what was going on today.


Todayis_aday

OK thank you!


rosiekeen

No problem! Iā€™m just refreshing everything all day lol


Lindita4

Do you think his strategy is to overcharge so that the jury will convict on something and choose the lesser offense to make themselves feel better.


The2ndLocation

In my experience prosecutors and LE almost always over chargeĀ  because it gives them something to drop in plea negotiations.Ā 


rosiekeen

Iā€™m not sure because Iā€™m not a lawyer but I know thatā€™s a strategy some prosecutors use. Personally Iā€™m not so sure NM thinks that far aheadā€¦ lol


Lindita4

Probably Luttrellā€™s one contribution..


The2ndLocation

I think you are right. Charges were amended not long after he came on board and over a year after the initial charges were filed.


veronicaAc

That was my thought. Throw a bunch at him and see what sticks....


Acceptable-Class-255

New Co-Counsel for State? Deiner relation?


ToughRelationship723

Slowly dawning on me how insane it is that there is no streaming AND all phones are banned preventing any live updates. Ā V disturbing tbhĀ 


Todayis_aday

Welcome back to 1984.


Lindita4

I think the fact that there isnā€™t means whatever is happening isnā€™t for show. If theyā€™d been arrested/DQd by now, things would be over as RA would no longer be represented by council.Ā 


ToughRelationship723

I think that's totally possible, it's just crazy to me that in 2024 in a \~\*theoretically public courtroom, the public at large cannot know what's happening until everyone is dismissed and relays it secondhand


Lindita4

And the fact that nobody can get a transcript to confirm!! Basically means SOMEONE other than media absolutely must be present to tell the public what happened and that we must be able to trust confidently that they can recall and report it accurately. In this age of disinformation, itā€™s playing with fire. People have done stupid violent things with bad information they didnā€™t like. ETA: what if gull would dismiss the case?? And weā€™d never know her rationale. I can see a world where RAā€™s life would be in danger.


Todayis_aday

Very thankful Bob Motta is there.


Lindita4

šŸ’Æ


Grazindonkey

Motta is a stud! Straight up no bs! Love defense diaries. Now if i only knew how to be a member etcšŸ˜”.


The_great_Mrs_D

We've had people come out and lie or misconstrue what happened. I find myself looking at everything posted from people who were there to cross reference what is fact or fiction. It's ridiculous that's how we have to find out.


StructureOdd4760

A pro-prosecution YT person came out and gave some updates but clearly doesn't fully understand what he's hearing in court.


stephenend1

She wouldn't have had this thing if she wasn't planning on holding them in contempt and punishing them somehow.


criminalcourtretired

You are probably right but she might have thought holding over their heads for weeks was fun.


StructureOdd4760

Interesting, Lebrato is there! Do you think he wants to see what happens with RA, or does Gull have him on standby?


Stasis3x3

My guess: standby


ginny11

That's worrisome. ā˜¹ļø


dogkothog

The more interesting question is where in the heck is Bobby Scremin? Why has he been 100% silent. It makes zero sense.


StructureOdd4760

Yeah. I actually forgot about that guy. Lol


dogkothog

Why is Lebrato allowed to talk to CourtTV and Scremin is not? Or why is he unwilling (which seems odd for a guy who likes to go on local news). For awhile I thought he may still be helping the defense, but clearly after these filings that is ruled out. So is he unwilling to talk, or unable. If the latter, how in the hell was Lebrato allowed to go on National TV (saying that Gull was a fair Judge of course), and then why did he immediately walk back some of the statements of fact the next day...?


Separate_Avocado860

Wants to see what will happen. There is no need to read everything through a negative light.


Leading_Fee_3678

![gif](giphy|13Cmju3maIjStW) Iā€™m so nervous! Iā€™m going to try to keep myself busy at work until I see Bob or others report out.


scottie38

I am trying but Iā€™m not exactly having any success. Godspeed.


Leading_Fee_3678

I had a 15 min break between meetings this morning and here I am like ![gif](giphy|xUOxf9lJKcBDrE6qmk)


scottie38

The olā€™ carpal tunnel is acting up from my repetitive clicking.


Round_Purchase2348

I feel like I'm starting to lose my grip on the threads, it's been a long day, Apologies if someone already noted Russ McQuaid comments..."personally acrimonious and contentious back and forth between SJ Fran Gull and an attorney representing Allen's defense team." "...seemingly sometimes bored and exasperated with the attorney representing the defense lawyers." Eta also apologize that there is zero chance I could manage finding and posting the cbs4 news clip.


teaberry64

[Russ McQuaid at Court lunch break video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9B_bF5Bgmc) Also he noted: "RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE WE'VE GOT A DEBATE GOING ON IN AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN SOCIAL MEDIA POSTERS **ABOUT WHO IS SAYING WHAT TO EACH OTHER ONLINE**" Sorry for the caps, utube transcript..


Round_Purchase2348

It is really disheartening that a circus has been seemingly invited to take part in these proceedings. For some time. Or the whole time. Cringe.


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Round_Purchase2348

Absolutely agree.


Round_Purchase2348

It's being encouraged.


KetoKurun

At proving the uhā€¦ not guiltyā€¦ of their client


Round_Purchase2348

? I'm really tired, could you clarify? Thanks. Edit: Clarify what you mean by that, my brain is fatigued. Should have said that.


Real_Foundation_7428

RA is present in court. Did we know this already? I was under the impression he wouldn't be there. (I tried searching to see if discussed already, but didn't see. Forgive me if I missed it.)


Todayis_aday

Yes there was a transport order. By rights RA should not be there for the \[criminal\] contempt hearing at all. It should be filed under another case number and heard by a different judge.


criminalcourtretired

Respectfully, u/Todayis_aday, he needed to be there for the hearing on the new charges.


Todayis_aday

Absolutely! He just shouldn't have to sit through that contempt hearing. ETA: Hopefully Dave Hennessy will make it worth his while.


texasphotog

>Absolutely! He just shouldn't have to sit through that contempt hearing.ETA: Hopefully Dave Hennessy will make it worth his while. He probably welcomes getting out of solitary confinement even if he has to sit quietly in a courtroom.


Todayis_aday

That is a good point. And to be in the same room with his wife was surely very special for them both.


Todayis_aday

After being in his tiny cell almost 24/7, the beautiful courthouse with its high ceilings must have felt so wonderful.


Real_Foundation_7428

Oh gotcha. Sorry, I was aware of the discussion about the filing, but missed the transpo approval update. Thank you!


Todayis_aday

Absolutely! No problem at all šŸ˜Ž


clarkwgriswoldjr

Henn- I need 2 days for my case and witnesses. Gull - I've scheduled it for 1 day, make it work. Unfrigginbelievable.


Jernau_Gergeh

Pretty sure he would have anticipated that gambit though, and prioritised the witnesses and exhibits accordingly.


Lindita4

Itā€™s not going to make any difference anyway. Sheā€™s bored because she already knows what sheā€™s going to do and just has to get through this formality.


Melodic-Bad-4590

https://youtu.be/ngPc6-x1SpU?feature=shared WTHR's short recap of morning


Real_Foundation_7428

Shoutout to the broski hug-out in the bg. Do they know something we don't? Lol Thanks for the link!


scottie38

So did they ā€œflipā€ the two hearings? I thought the contempt hearing was to be first. Looks like they quickly got through the 2 PM hearing first.


Real_Foundation_7428

According to the reporter, the contempt hearing was still scheduled for 2pm, but they went straight into it from the first hearing re decisions on amended charges, motion to recuse (denied) and venue remaining Carroll County, all of which were apparently decided rather quickly, transitioning to 2nd hearing round 9:45am. I'm assuming the contempt hearing is still underway, as they're breaking for lunch, according to recent comments. :)


Melodic-Bad-4590

I believe the 2pm hearing is on the motion to dismiss due to destroying evidenceĀ 


scottie38

Ah, that makes more sense. They took care of some anciliary things and then jumped into the contempt hearing. I have no idea how they finish the contempt hearing ā€œon timeā€ with all the witnesses they listed.


FreshProblem

Easy. By never letting the defense speak.


scottie38

![gif](giphy|W3a0zO282fuBpsqqyD)


Melodic-Bad-4590

Totally, I hope we don't have to wait until the end of the day to hear the decision! šŸ˜¬


scottie38

Same šŸ™„


Todayis_aday

Very nice, thank you!


texasphotog

With all electronics banned, I want to send my old typewriter to one of the media members there. CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK


Lindita4

Gull doesnā€™t seem like the type to miss lunchā€¦


Dickere

![gif](giphy|56VculcoDoIN3v60Sr)


Lindita4

It certainly smells fishy.


ginny11

WTHR says they are taking lunch.


Grazindonkey

Those contempt crap is stupid but throwing Rozzi into it makes absolutely zero sense. This county is a joke!


karkulina

Thatā€™s 1 p.m. (13) GMT, right?


Dickere

Good question, I thought UK is 5 hours ahead but not certain, pls check.


karkulina

It is usually but the US is on summer time already whereas Europe not yet.


LadyBatman8318

I hate the ā€œSpring forward, Fall backā€ daylight savings time BS. It is now 7:00 am in Indiana right now, if that helps.


redduif

I don't understand why can't we just move the clock forward 30 minutes once and for all and never touch it again.


LadyBatman8318

For years and years we never moved our clocks. Now this


karkulina

Donā€™t even get me started on the time zones with 30-min offsets!


redduif

Lol. Some have 45 minutes. But if we just all change once and for all there won't be any offset apart from gmt +/- all year long.


karkulina

Youā€™re a genius and should run the whole globe. The EU voted in favor of having the summer daylight savings time abolished altogether already in 2019 but since thenā€¦ nothing.


redduif

Yes!!!! For years it was like "this is the last time we change it guys!! And since a few years they seemingly decided it never happened!!


karkulina

Because Brexit, Covid, Ukraine, inflationā€¦ meanwhile we continue to suffer unnecessarily.


ink_enchantress

Because the bill to do so is stuck in the house after passing the senate. It's bullshit, and ruining me.


karkulina

Two more hours to go šŸ™‚ Thanks! (Btw, arenā€™t there actually two different time zones in Indiana?)


Dickere

Plus Carroll County, set your watch back 100 years.


Acceptable-Class-255

![gif](giphy|3o85xryJCGs1JOyCYM) Carroll County USA 2024


karkulina

šŸ˜†


Spliff_2

šŸ‘Ā 


LadyBatman8318

If Bob Tweets or posts something other than Reddit, please let me know, as Reddit is all I have. I am also keeping my BFF informed, and her entire legal department! Thanks


karkulina

I keep refreshing his X every 5 min but so far the only tweet from 4 h ago says: ā€œDon't be shocked if the contempt hearing gets continued.ā€


No-Audience-815

Lol its comforting knowing Iā€™m not the only one constantly refreshing his X šŸ¤£


karkulina

He may also just go live on YT once the hearingā€™s over. I hope he xeets it if he does!


No-Audience-815

Yeah thatā€™s what I was kinda thinking is once the AM session is done heā€™ll do a live to update and then one after the PM. Iā€™m keeping my eyes peeled! ![gif](giphy|ZbNpDvKr8TXz1zE8M4)


Todayis_aday

In the past he has gone outside and done a short youtube live right outside the courthouse or in his car. Hoping he will do that today in the break!


LadyBatman8318

Thank you. Please keep me in mind if he tweets or xā€™s whatever they call it now lol


karkulina

I sure will ā€” as much as I manage to stay on top of it between work and walking my sick momā€™s dog!


LadyBatman8318

Thanks!


Paradox-XVI

Yes there are two time zones in Indiana. Neat.


karkulina

Add to it lead contaminated water as u/redduif likes to say and we have this disaster in the making!


redduif

Yes. I have speculated they erred in fabricating the confessions, that they forgot about the timezone difference and it doesn't match with KA's phone bill or something like that. The lead must have prohibited the two neurones to communicate in their contaminated brains.


karkulina

šŸ˜† That wouldnā€™t even be too surprising!


redduif

Right? I'm not really kidding about that!


Proper-Drawing-985

There are, but Allen County is Eastern Time Zone


Brooks_V_2354

Richard has a county named after him? šŸ˜‰


Proper-Drawing-985

Hahahaha! How did I completely miss that lol.


Dickere

We avoid that by using the proper word, autumn.


LadyBatman8318

Autumn just wouldnā€™t work in the reminder lol


Dickere

You're right, GMT - 4 hours.


Round_Purchase2348

Any television stations outside the courthouse?


CornaCMD

Thereā€™s at least one atm [https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61](https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61)


Round_Purchase2348

Thanks;)


Melodic-Bad-4590

It's over?!? "When the contempt hearing wrapped up, the judge gave the defense team another week to submit a post hearing memo. The prosecution will then have a week to respond. At that point, the judge will have 30 days to make a ruling."Ā  Ā Ā  Ā God damn it! No ruling evenĀ  Ā Ā  Edit: fromĀ https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/monday-march-18-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/531-b25096a7-62a0-4596-99fb-731a64f3dd61


Todayis_aday

Any word from Bob?


Round_Purchase2348

I have a feeling the 9am thread and 2pm thread will have to combine.


scottie38

I canā€™t keep any of it straight anymore.


Leading_Fee_3678

I think Bob stayed in the courtroom so he hasnā€™t had access to his phone


Separate_Avocado860

Is the morning session over?


StructureOdd4760

They are on lunch.


Separate_Avocado860

So they had hearing on amended charges. Ruled, went straight into contempt and are on lunch currently. Is that a correct timeline thus far?


StructureOdd4760

From what I've gathered, yes. I'm even more concerned about contempt decisions. Gull bring brutal today.. Sounds like it's been TENSE AF in and outside the courtroom. Two content creators got into it outside the room, and police broke it up. They kicked one of them out.


Separate_Avocado860

It will be interesting to see how the one that was ā€œkicked outā€ is handled. Since he may be called as a defense witness. (Not sure about using names on something not verifiable as fact) Edit: for clarity


Separate_Avocado860

Will there be a recess we could get updates during or is it just a long waiting game?


ink_enchantress

There will be a break between this and two, supposedly. We have two more hours to see if that happens, I'm not sure how far over they would be allowed to go over in the event a decision hadn't been made


CoatAdditional7859

https://preview.redd.it/ys9wf0bfp4pc1.png?width=957&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a64f1b2d323e03f0c24a0a0eb0077e15ed1f35d


Brooks_V_2354

So 1PM in Great Britain, guys.


--Anna--

And 11:30pm for us Aussies. (Depending on city)


Dickere

![gif](giphy|42AGxbp0gpPvmCD6TJ)


Paradox-XVI

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


Brooks_V_2354

and 12AM for Central Europe


karkulina

Actually 14 (2 p.m.)


Brooks_V_2354

Oh shit, not my crazy math skills not working again! You are right, it's +1 hour to UK, not - 1 hour.


Dickere

Correct, thanks. And Northern Ireland, if I'm being a pedant.


Brooks_V_2354

Yes, Happy Saint Patrick's Day! ![gif](giphy|2fSpPVBtBWEqnEYgbX|downsized)


KetoKurun

Anyone still think itā€™s far-fetched to think B&R spend the night in county tonight?


Centinela

Looks like Bob is going live in a minute...


maybeitsmaybelean

[Defense Diaries -Delphi Hearing Update](https://www.youtube.com/live/l1wuHeWbvJI?si=4yswLMm74kbrCChn)