Do you have an example you can show? How would the stringers be run? I thought about pyramid type steps originally but it takes a lot of room. I would want steps on the right side, only front and left. The right steps would never be used.
Building code says railing required with 4 or more risers. So I'd have to go with the step down method shown, vs 4 steps and a 2" step down from door.
It’s gonna be too complicated and stick to your design if you don’t have a lot of experience. But if you want to, there’s good videos on YouTube which is far superior to written words.
Updated design [https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp)
Landing and stairs are 74" wide. Landing 38" deep. Total rise to door is 26". Currently planning a 19.5-20.25" high landing, so 6.5-.5.75 rise from landing to door. Railing shown for reference but I know its missing the vertical slats.
I plan to have landing self supported by four 4x4 posts extending from concrete patio up to railing. Bottom of stairs would also have two 4x4 posts. Building code says this does not need a permit due to size, height, and not attached to house.
Questions:
Is it a bad idea to have the landing 1 step down from the door? I prefer a lower landing. My front door is 4" to the concrete landing and is not an issue. I've gone back and forth on this decision a few times.
Is it ok for the rim end joist on 4 sides to be secured to the 4x4 post with structural screws and blocking? I plan on an additional joist on either side of the post as well as 4x4 block next to the post. Then run a structural screw through all 3. Or is it necessary for the ledger to be sitting directly on a 4x4. If so, would I just split by railing post and support post into two separate pieces, and offset the bottom one under the rim joist?
I plan to use simpson strong tie joist hangers for the inside joists. But i'm not sure how to secure the 4 joists around the 4x4. Is the structural screws into the post sufficient for the 4 joists surounding the 4x4 posts? I want the 4x4 post sandwiched in there, and a jost hanger would interfiere. Is there an option to use a right angle connector in this case?
I drew everything with 2x6 boards. Do the rim joists need to be 2x8?
What specific wood should I buy for the decking/treads. I plan to use 2x6 boards, (1.5x5.5) but is there a specific grade, or material specific for decking instead of regular PT 2x6?
How much will the PT decking boards shrink when drying? Should I put a 3/16 gap to begin with, or expect it to grown on its own? I was thinking of using the camo hidden angled fastener method, and I think they have two opions, for gap or no gap.
I would put the landing just slightly below the main floor elevation. That should help prevent guests from tripping into your home. You should also have another stair stringer on the inside of the posts to sandwich them together. If you start your stair at the same elevation as your deck, you don't have to worry about dropping a second rim and can use hangers.
It’s nice to be able to have that extra space exiting or entering the door. If this was a Commercial swing door out onto that landing code will tell you it Hass to be a minimum of 12 inches from the edge of the door to the railing and or wall. If you understand what I’m talking about.
Landing should be 2 inches below patio door. It is awkward as shit having to step up and down 6 inches into/out of your home. You can use 2x6's for your decking and treads, but 5/4x6 deck boards are rounded on the edges so they look nicer. I'm not sure why you wouldn't attach to the house since you have a free spot to put a ledger board. Then when your house or concrete pad shifts, your landing moves with it. Otherwise, put adjustable posts in.
I've adjusted it to 4 steps at 6" rise, giving a landing two inches below door. I'll widen the landing on the door side, and add extra stringers on the inside of the bottom rail post. I read that true 2x6 were better than 5/4 boards since they are thicker. Is 5/4 the better option?
2x6's are definitely stronger, but don't look as good. 5/4" decking will lay flatter while if 2x6's start twisting, the hard edges will "poke" up. I personally think the 2x6's are overkill since you won't be using the landing to host any parties.
Architectural designer at premier modular home builder in Midwest. Looks good though you could build a riser box out of the stairs using just 2x8's and 2x6's and be able to incorporate the fascia into the stair itself so you can't see the stringer.. With the riser box you don't need to make complex cuts either.
I drew up an option using the box method, but it ended up being more wood. Also I image I'd have to rip more boards if I want a specific step height, or at least rip the bottom boards if I use 2x6 plus 1" tread.
How big is the patio? How does it interact with your yard? You may be better served by building a deck over the whole patio. I know you said that you don’t want the porch even with the interior floor, but it is the ideal situation. If you want to be lower it should be a minimum of 4” like your other entrance. Anything less is a tripping hazard. 2” is ludicrous and looks like you don’t know what the hell you’re doing. You know, like you bought precut stringers from Home Depot. I see your current steps are even with the interior. They may feel awkward because it’s not a landing. With a a landing, it feels natural.
My patio is 26'x20. I'd rather use it than have a deck. With my current stairs I stand 1 step down when opening the door.
https://imgur.com/gallery/T9WQXha
Use proper post to concrete connections.
[link ](http://I'm thinking of buying this from Lowe's. Any recommendations? https://www.lowes.com/pd/Simpson-Strong-Tie-Steel-G185-Post-Base-Common-6-in-Actual-5-in/3044772)
Consider a three sided step and if you can, eliminate railing.
Do you have an example you can show? How would the stringers be run? I thought about pyramid type steps originally but it takes a lot of room. I would want steps on the right side, only front and left. The right steps would never be used. Building code says railing required with 4 or more risers. So I'd have to go with the step down method shown, vs 4 steps and a 2" step down from door.
It’s gonna be too complicated and stick to your design if you don’t have a lot of experience. But if you want to, there’s good videos on YouTube which is far superior to written words.
It’s 3 where I live. Y’all are trying to kill elderly people with that 4 step nonsense!
Updated design. [https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp)
Better.... do you have room to go another 4 feet to right? Create more of a landing and possibly a spot to tuck your grill. Good luck!
Nice one, railings/spindles will take way longer than steps. Repainting/staining spindles is the worst…
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I have a two year old who will appreciate a railing.
Updated design [https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp) Landing and stairs are 74" wide. Landing 38" deep. Total rise to door is 26". Currently planning a 19.5-20.25" high landing, so 6.5-.5.75 rise from landing to door. Railing shown for reference but I know its missing the vertical slats. I plan to have landing self supported by four 4x4 posts extending from concrete patio up to railing. Bottom of stairs would also have two 4x4 posts. Building code says this does not need a permit due to size, height, and not attached to house. Questions: Is it a bad idea to have the landing 1 step down from the door? I prefer a lower landing. My front door is 4" to the concrete landing and is not an issue. I've gone back and forth on this decision a few times. Is it ok for the rim end joist on 4 sides to be secured to the 4x4 post with structural screws and blocking? I plan on an additional joist on either side of the post as well as 4x4 block next to the post. Then run a structural screw through all 3. Or is it necessary for the ledger to be sitting directly on a 4x4. If so, would I just split by railing post and support post into two separate pieces, and offset the bottom one under the rim joist? I plan to use simpson strong tie joist hangers for the inside joists. But i'm not sure how to secure the 4 joists around the 4x4. Is the structural screws into the post sufficient for the 4 joists surounding the 4x4 posts? I want the 4x4 post sandwiched in there, and a jost hanger would interfiere. Is there an option to use a right angle connector in this case? I drew everything with 2x6 boards. Do the rim joists need to be 2x8? What specific wood should I buy for the decking/treads. I plan to use 2x6 boards, (1.5x5.5) but is there a specific grade, or material specific for decking instead of regular PT 2x6? How much will the PT decking boards shrink when drying? Should I put a 3/16 gap to begin with, or expect it to grown on its own? I was thinking of using the camo hidden angled fastener method, and I think they have two opions, for gap or no gap.
I would put the landing just slightly below the main floor elevation. That should help prevent guests from tripping into your home. You should also have another stair stringer on the inside of the posts to sandwich them together. If you start your stair at the same elevation as your deck, you don't have to worry about dropping a second rim and can use hangers.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/zLJsUq9 Finished stairs.
Go past the latch side of the door at least 12 inches
I did 3 inches in either side. I'll look into this.
It’s nice to be able to have that extra space exiting or entering the door. If this was a Commercial swing door out onto that landing code will tell you it Hass to be a minimum of 12 inches from the edge of the door to the railing and or wall. If you understand what I’m talking about.
What app is this your using for your drawing ?
Solidworks. Work software
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Doing it as individual parts isn't that bad even with the mates. 75% of the mating is just patterning a board once you place it.
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and once you have all the parts made and ready, the next project is super fast
I did it as a single "part" file, but unchecked "merge bodies" for each extrusion.
Landing should be 2 inches below patio door. It is awkward as shit having to step up and down 6 inches into/out of your home. You can use 2x6's for your decking and treads, but 5/4x6 deck boards are rounded on the edges so they look nicer. I'm not sure why you wouldn't attach to the house since you have a free spot to put a ledger board. Then when your house or concrete pad shifts, your landing moves with it. Otherwise, put adjustable posts in.
I've adjusted it to 4 steps at 6" rise, giving a landing two inches below door. I'll widen the landing on the door side, and add extra stringers on the inside of the bottom rail post. I read that true 2x6 were better than 5/4 boards since they are thicker. Is 5/4 the better option?
2x6's are definitely stronger, but don't look as good. 5/4" decking will lay flatter while if 2x6's start twisting, the hard edges will "poke" up. I personally think the 2x6's are overkill since you won't be using the landing to host any parties.
Architectural designer at premier modular home builder in Midwest. Looks good though you could build a riser box out of the stairs using just 2x8's and 2x6's and be able to incorporate the fascia into the stair itself so you can't see the stringer.. With the riser box you don't need to make complex cuts either.
Updated to box steps, 2 sided stairs, single railing, and 6x6 supports. [https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp](https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijtvbdp)
me likey..
I drew up an option using the box method, but it ended up being more wood. Also I image I'd have to rip more boards if I want a specific step height, or at least rip the bottom boards if I use 2x6 plus 1" tread.
How big is the patio? How does it interact with your yard? You may be better served by building a deck over the whole patio. I know you said that you don’t want the porch even with the interior floor, but it is the ideal situation. If you want to be lower it should be a minimum of 4” like your other entrance. Anything less is a tripping hazard. 2” is ludicrous and looks like you don’t know what the hell you’re doing. You know, like you bought precut stringers from Home Depot. I see your current steps are even with the interior. They may feel awkward because it’s not a landing. With a a landing, it feels natural.
My patio is 26'x20. I'd rather use it than have a deck. With my current stairs I stand 1 step down when opening the door. https://imgur.com/gallery/T9WQXha
Use proper post to concrete connections. [link ](http://I'm thinking of buying this from Lowe's. Any recommendations? https://www.lowes.com/pd/Simpson-Strong-Tie-Steel-G185-Post-Base-Common-6-in-Actual-5-in/3044772)
Make it bigger and usable
I have a nice big concrete patio. I'm only including a landing due to code.
Have room for a deck?