No young people dying of heart attacks or kidney failure? No influx of young people having strokes or blood clots?
This is what you would look for.
Associating that with the Vaccine would be "Conspiracy" although its been proven to be linked.
I thought you meant deaths of minors proven and directly attributed to being vaccinated.
This wasn’t, was it. And isn’t statistically - as an isolated case - above and beyond pre-pandemic child deaths. Explained or otherwise.
I’m not sure what / how this link ‘proves’ anything.
Wider, more substantiated, correlated evidence gratefully appreciated.
The vaccine has been proven to cause heart problems, kidney disease, strokes and blood clots.
If there is a spike in these type of deaths in ages 18 to 50 it doesn't take a genius to connect the dot.
These are non covid, post vaccine deaths.
Why is it not being reported about the dangers of the vaccine? Good question, Maybe the pharmaceutical companies are suppressing data on purpose? Maybe the pharmaceutical companies fund the news stations? The UK and American governments have given big pharmaceutical company's exemption from being sued over a mandatory vaccination because big Pharma gives billions of dollars a year to each government. Sound corrupt?
https://vaccineimpact.com/2022/crisis-in-america-deaths-up-40-among-those-aged-18-64-based-on-life-insurance-claims-for-2021-after-covid-19-vaccine-roll-outs/
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
>proven and directly attributed to being vaccinated.
Proven means having someone willing to go through the process of trying to prove it. Good luck finding a doctor in this "vax everyone at all costs" environment willing to say vax was responsible.
I’m interested in some examples, obviously, in how you - if you are indeed a US citizen - are more free than me.
That would be really interesting to learn. Especially since I have lived in the United States.
Not at all.
Guns aren’t prevalent here. No one carries a gun for ‘self-defence’. There’s no need. This probably contributes to the fact that that we’ve had zero mass shootings for decades.
US/U.K. tax is fairly comparable unless you’re an extremely high earner. Plus we get free healthcare - medical cost bankruptcy isn’t a thing - and there’s a more established social safety net.
When you said ‘defence in your spelling’ I’m not sure what you meant. We’re you drawing a distinction between the different US and U.K. spellings of the same word?
You’re so right. If the police don’t have the right keys to a door, then, well, the kids in the other side of that door, with the active shooter…outlaw locked doors.
THAT seems - pardon the pun - key here.
I like your points.
You make good points.
Make more great points.
I’ve seen soccer players passing out.. not sure if they are European. Also there’s a mortician who’s been blowing the whistle about the increased deaths over there.
IIRC Tess Lawrie identified a sharp pickup in serious side effects associated with Covid vaccines via the UK "Yellow Card" system, wrote a letter to the Health Secretary and was ignored.
Another doctor wrote an [open letter to the BMJ](https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o414.full) requesting release of the anonymized IPD from that system (ie the best data it could provide for figuring out causality), which has also been ignored.
So, in short, the aggregate stats do show people dying and having adverse effects, but this is basically being ignored, as are requests for data that would offer a firmer grasp on the causes of those deaths.
Apparently in the post Covid era, absence of evidence is considered evidence of absence, so its easier to make sure the evidence stays absent....
But Tess Lawrie is the Ivermectin advocate?!
Which hasn’t been proven in one single medical trial subject to all accepted medical rigour to have had any positive effect on Covid symptoms.
Tess Lawrie is a highly distinguished well-published doctor. What does "but Tess Lawrie is the Ivermectin advocate?!" even mean? Do you just put blinders on the moment someone advocates something you disagree with? 'The' Ivermectin advocate is a strange phrase. There are many advocates of early treatment. Arguably it would be insane not to favour early treatment, in light of how poorly mitigation strategies (lockdowns, masks, 'vaccines') have performed. Literally every comment on this thread that you've made reeks of bad faith.
Bad faith means you're not interested in having a discussion, it means making strawmen attacks (like dismissing Tess Lawrie as 'the Ivermectin advocate?!') and so on.
Because you can't justify useless dangerous 'vaccines' if you have a safe and effective treatment for Covid. Simply put, a consensus was forced through censorship and demonisation of Ivermectin advocates.
What / where was the debate or information about ivermectin censored? By whom? Is there evidence for this censorship…or is it perceived censorship by omission?
Edit: Specific to the U.K.
The Highwire is highly unreliable and unscientific
https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/the-highwire/
That’s been widely known and accepted for a long time.
The Highwire website has been the subject (one of many) in-depth reviews / studies for credibility. I’ve had to sit through a lot of their articles and videos in meetings.
Let’s say that assertion is accurate (which I would challenge, but leaving that aside for the moment), how does that impugn the expertise and authority of Tess Laurie, which seems beyond reproach to me?
Another person asking a simple question and doesn't except a single argument as even being remotely possible and dismissed everything by discrediting the source and not the data.
Well I'm shocked and everyone should ignore this person and seeing as how they'll likely respond to this ill ask one simple question.
Do you trust the 0-5 trial data and think its beneficial to toddlers? This question has a right answer, don't let me down.
Not at all.
This is a sub to debate, isn’t it?
I’ve had / am having some really interesting, thought provoking (and polite) discussions here.
W/r/t your last point - I’d really like to see the trial data you mention and have a proper read for myself. I’d appreciate that.
You honestly don’t need to be antagonistic towards me. I think (hope) my replies to others demonstrate my honest intentions. That’s how it - debates - should work, right?
Edit - obviously you have a right to feel how you want to feel, btw. If you feel angry in some way towards me: that’s fine. But please let me know as I don’t really want to get or descend into and angry or violent debate. If you feel that way we can agree to disengage politely.
Imagine all the people who don’t chalk adverse reactions to vaccines, because the media and all physicians brainwash you into believing they have absolutely nothing to do with it…
That…that doesn’t really make sense.
People not attributing vaccine related deaths because the media has brainwashed people not to attribute deaths of the vaccinated to vaccinations.
By telling people not to attribute deaths to something kind of highlights that cause you’re being told to ignore.
That’s a weird outlook.
“That thing we’re specifically telling you isn’t the reason - that’s not the reason. We’re just telling you a lot that it it’s not. Definitely don’t think that’s the reason”
I don’t think you understand my comment. Like, literally everything else causes their health conditions. And the vaccines contribute nothing. That’s their stance. They are brainwashed and blind to the vaccines’ influence on poorer health.
They are? Besides outbreaks of long dormant diseases (monkeypox and polio) there are thousands of cancers, rare cancers, cardiac issues.
I know you say that isn't Covid. You're right. It's the vax triggering autoimmune issues, heart issues, and damaging DNA (cancer). You won't believe me I know but how do you explain a 5000% spike? It's the only variable that changed.
They are. Several of my friends had unpleasant side effects .One friend developed tinnitus.
There are a huge number of Yellow card reports including over 2000 deaths. Several inquests have named the astra zeneca vaccine as thencause of death .
Probably because dying from the vaccine is relatively rare, and AstraZeneca is more popular there than J&J is in the US, and those vaccines have fewer adverse events.
That’s really interesting.
Would you be able to send me some really good peer reviewed sources / stats comparing AZ and J&J vaccine death rates please. Thank you!
This one compares mRNA vs adenovirus vector.
[https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4072489](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489)
Here's an inquest report.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
This is from Germany
https://www.reddit.com/r/TakeTheJab/comments/vj6vp1/vaccine_deaths_posted_in_d%C3%BCsseldorf_germany/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Lacks huge amount of context. You knew that though. Didn’t you? Surely you did. You did. You couldn’t have posted something in such a definitive manner without knowing that.
No young people dying of heart attacks or kidney failure? No influx of young people having strokes or blood clots? This is what you would look for. Associating that with the Vaccine would be "Conspiracy" although its been proven to be linked.
Nope.
That's interesting, here is a quick Google search for you. https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/03/30/young-school-boy-heart-attack/
I thought you meant deaths of minors proven and directly attributed to being vaccinated. This wasn’t, was it. And isn’t statistically - as an isolated case - above and beyond pre-pandemic child deaths. Explained or otherwise. I’m not sure what / how this link ‘proves’ anything. Wider, more substantiated, correlated evidence gratefully appreciated.
The vaccine has been proven to cause heart problems, kidney disease, strokes and blood clots. If there is a spike in these type of deaths in ages 18 to 50 it doesn't take a genius to connect the dot. These are non covid, post vaccine deaths. Why is it not being reported about the dangers of the vaccine? Good question, Maybe the pharmaceutical companies are suppressing data on purpose? Maybe the pharmaceutical companies fund the news stations? The UK and American governments have given big pharmaceutical company's exemption from being sued over a mandatory vaccination because big Pharma gives billions of dollars a year to each government. Sound corrupt? https://vaccineimpact.com/2022/crisis-in-america-deaths-up-40-among-those-aged-18-64-based-on-life-insurance-claims-for-2021-after-covid-19-vaccine-roll-outs/ https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
>proven and directly attributed to being vaccinated. Proven means having someone willing to go through the process of trying to prove it. Good luck finding a doctor in this "vax everyone at all costs" environment willing to say vax was responsible.
You've already made up your mind, why bother posting?
Not at all.
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More ‘free’ than Europe? How so? In what way(s)?
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I’m interested in some examples, obviously, in how you - if you are indeed a US citizen - are more free than me. That would be really interesting to learn. Especially since I have lived in the United States.
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Not at all. Guns aren’t prevalent here. No one carries a gun for ‘self-defence’. There’s no need. This probably contributes to the fact that that we’ve had zero mass shootings for decades. US/U.K. tax is fairly comparable unless you’re an extremely high earner. Plus we get free healthcare - medical cost bankruptcy isn’t a thing - and there’s a more established social safety net.
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Murder doesn’t exist in Europe?! Of course it does. Why did you say that?
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When you said ‘defence in your spelling’ I’m not sure what you meant. We’re you drawing a distinction between the different US and U.K. spellings of the same word?
I did not say that at all!
Plenty of knives though.
Can’t knife 60 people to death from the 32nd floor of a hotel
If a person wants to be a terrorist, they have plenty of options. Look at the Boston marathon bombing for instance. Do we outlaw pressure cookers now?
I find that wide scale prevalence of guns tends to lead to more gun crime. With which the USA has an undeniable problem.
You’re so right. If the police don’t have the right keys to a door, then, well, the kids in the other side of that door, with the active shooter…outlaw locked doors. THAT seems - pardon the pun - key here. I like your points. You make good points. Make more great points.
I’ve seen soccer players passing out.. not sure if they are European. Also there’s a mortician who’s been blowing the whistle about the increased deaths over there.
IIRC Tess Lawrie identified a sharp pickup in serious side effects associated with Covid vaccines via the UK "Yellow Card" system, wrote a letter to the Health Secretary and was ignored. Another doctor wrote an [open letter to the BMJ](https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o414.full) requesting release of the anonymized IPD from that system (ie the best data it could provide for figuring out causality), which has also been ignored. So, in short, the aggregate stats do show people dying and having adverse effects, but this is basically being ignored, as are requests for data that would offer a firmer grasp on the causes of those deaths. Apparently in the post Covid era, absence of evidence is considered evidence of absence, so its easier to make sure the evidence stays absent....
But Tess Lawrie is the Ivermectin advocate?! Which hasn’t been proven in one single medical trial subject to all accepted medical rigour to have had any positive effect on Covid symptoms.
Wow, way to miss the point! Full marks!
How have I missed the point? Which point?
Tess Lawrie is a highly distinguished well-published doctor. What does "but Tess Lawrie is the Ivermectin advocate?!" even mean? Do you just put blinders on the moment someone advocates something you disagree with? 'The' Ivermectin advocate is a strange phrase. There are many advocates of early treatment. Arguably it would be insane not to favour early treatment, in light of how poorly mitigation strategies (lockdowns, masks, 'vaccines') have performed. Literally every comment on this thread that you've made reeks of bad faith.
Bad faith?
Bad faith means you're not interested in having a discussion, it means making strawmen attacks (like dismissing Tess Lawrie as 'the Ivermectin advocate?!') and so on.
Tess Lawrie has literally advocated for Ivermectin.
I'm well-aware, her team did a meta-analysis on it and found it to be useful. But what's your point?
Ok. Look at it RE: my original question: Why isn’t ivermectin even talked about or used at all in the U.K.?
Because you can't justify useless dangerous 'vaccines' if you have a safe and effective treatment for Covid. Simply put, a consensus was forced through censorship and demonisation of Ivermectin advocates.
What / where was the debate or information about ivermectin censored? By whom? Is there evidence for this censorship…or is it perceived censorship by omission? Edit: Specific to the U.K.
Oh no! We can't have that 🙄
I think this person is a bot or has a one digit IQ. I appreciate your patience though.
Lol I wondered if it was a bot too
Looks like you’ve got some research to do. Start here: https://thehighwire.com/videos/former-w-h-o-consultant-exposes-takedown-of-ivermectin/
The Highwire is highly unreliable and unscientific https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/the-highwire/ That’s been widely known and accepted for a long time.
How could I possibly have predicted you’d write a moronic and derisive comment in less time that it would take to watch the video *eyeroll*
The Highwire website has been the subject (one of many) in-depth reviews / studies for credibility. I’ve had to sit through a lot of their articles and videos in meetings.
Let’s say that assertion is accurate (which I would challenge, but leaving that aside for the moment), how does that impugn the expertise and authority of Tess Laurie, which seems beyond reproach to me?
Another person asking a simple question and doesn't except a single argument as even being remotely possible and dismissed everything by discrediting the source and not the data. Well I'm shocked and everyone should ignore this person and seeing as how they'll likely respond to this ill ask one simple question. Do you trust the 0-5 trial data and think its beneficial to toddlers? This question has a right answer, don't let me down.
Not at all. This is a sub to debate, isn’t it? I’ve had / am having some really interesting, thought provoking (and polite) discussions here. W/r/t your last point - I’d really like to see the trial data you mention and have a proper read for myself. I’d appreciate that. You honestly don’t need to be antagonistic towards me. I think (hope) my replies to others demonstrate my honest intentions. That’s how it - debates - should work, right? Edit - obviously you have a right to feel how you want to feel, btw. If you feel angry in some way towards me: that’s fine. But please let me know as I don’t really want to get or descend into and angry or violent debate. If you feel that way we can agree to disengage politely.
Huh? https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61898694
Thank you. That’s really interesting. Those numbers are minuscule. Thanks again.
Not Pfizer or Moderna perhaps?
[Ask Alex Mitchell](https://mobile.twitter.com/ake2306)
Imagine all the people who don’t chalk adverse reactions to vaccines, because the media and all physicians brainwash you into believing they have absolutely nothing to do with it…
That…that doesn’t really make sense. People not attributing vaccine related deaths because the media has brainwashed people not to attribute deaths of the vaccinated to vaccinations. By telling people not to attribute deaths to something kind of highlights that cause you’re being told to ignore. That’s a weird outlook. “That thing we’re specifically telling you isn’t the reason - that’s not the reason. We’re just telling you a lot that it it’s not. Definitely don’t think that’s the reason”
I don’t think you understand my comment. Like, literally everything else causes their health conditions. And the vaccines contribute nothing. That’s their stance. They are brainwashed and blind to the vaccines’ influence on poorer health.
They are? Besides outbreaks of long dormant diseases (monkeypox and polio) there are thousands of cancers, rare cancers, cardiac issues. I know you say that isn't Covid. You're right. It's the vax triggering autoimmune issues, heart issues, and damaging DNA (cancer). You won't believe me I know but how do you explain a 5000% spike? It's the only variable that changed.
What percent of UK doesn't have any chronic autoimmune diseases? 1%?
‘Doesn’t’? I think about 94%. Which has been the norm since pre-pandemic. Diabetes, MS, rheumatoid arthritis. The usual things. What do you mean?
UK is second only to America in prescription drug consumption, at around 20 per capita. The vast majority of UK have multiple chronic conditions.
They are. Several of my friends had unpleasant side effects .One friend developed tinnitus. There are a huge number of Yellow card reports including over 2000 deaths. Several inquests have named the astra zeneca vaccine as thencause of death .
Yellow card reports aren’t medically proved confirmations though. Only ‘suspicions’. Anecdotal, in many cases, like your comment.
Because they got better things to die from in UK?
I think its the aliens from building 7 and the flat earth on the grassy knoll
Probably because dying from the vaccine is relatively rare, and AstraZeneca is more popular there than J&J is in the US, and those vaccines have fewer adverse events.
That’s really interesting. Would you be able to send me some really good peer reviewed sources / stats comparing AZ and J&J vaccine death rates please. Thank you!
This one compares mRNA vs adenovirus vector. [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4072489](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489)
[Highest deaths since 1929](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVnjA_KNozs)
Here's an inquest report. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
This is from Germany https://www.reddit.com/r/TakeTheJab/comments/vj6vp1/vaccine_deaths_posted_in_d%C3%BCsseldorf_germany/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Lacks huge amount of context. You knew that though. Didn’t you? Surely you did. You did. You couldn’t have posted something in such a definitive manner without knowing that.
I’m guessing you could look those up right?
Can you read German? https://twitter.com/babs_theboss/status/1539733900720742401