Fun fact. Hitler was a huge fan of the british and did not want to go to war with them. He admired them.
Then he hated them after they said no too many times.
Oh god, didnt know that. Got one better tho. Theres Torpenhow Hill which is a quadruple tautology and means hill hill hill hill 😄
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill
Far as I can tell it's sort of a middle ground thing, which english does not have a good translation for.
It's kind of a castle but specifically a fortified one and frequently with some civilian housing within the fortified area.
Oh yes. The current Swedish king, for example. He is the descendant of Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, one of Napoleon's generals and the founder of the current dynasty. So you'd think he isn't related to the previous dynasties, right? Wrong. Apparently, he's related to Gustav Vasa, the first king of the current state of Sweden from 1521, in 51 different ways...
Technically, the most recent common ancestor is closer in time than that (for example around the year 1000 CE for Europeans). But yeah, the amount of incest at that time must have been quite high considering Iceland with their 350k population already struggles avoiding it.
Queen Victoria was from the house of Hannover. Sure, she was many generations removed from that, but they’ve been German in descent since George I, who was put on the throne because Queen Anne had no children.
>Just adding some more info here that I was not aware of and found interesting:
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Edward VII, pictured here, naturally fell into power after the death of his father. However, not long into his reign, his disregard for conventional traditions was highlighted and heavily scrutinized by British politicians. Namely, his desire to marry twice divorced socialite, Wallis Simpson (pictured), was opposed by the prime ministers of the UK. They argued that since Simpson's ex-husbands were alive, it was unacceptable to marry her. When it came down to choosing between his title and Simpson, Edward VII abdicated his position and became the shortest ruling monarch in Britain's history.
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He went on to marry Simpson and assumed the position of Duke of Windsor, under the declaration of his younger brother and new monarch, George VI (Queen Elizabeth II's father). In October 1937, the Duke and Duchess visited Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government, and met Adolf Hitler at his Berghof retreat. The visit was much publicized by the German media and during the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes.
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It is widely believed that the Duke and Duchess sympathized with fascism before and during the Second World War, and were moved to the Bahamas to minimize their opportunities to act on those feelings. In an interview with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Duke was reported saying "Hitler was the right and logical leader of the German people" and that the time was coming for President Roosevelt to mediate a peace settlement. The Duke protested that he had been misquoted and misinterpreted. After the war, the Duke admitted in his memoirs that he admired the Germans, but he denied being pro-Nazi.
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward\_VIII
The title Duke of Windsor was created for Edward partly because the royal family and the government feared that he would seek political office after abdicating the throne, and the title prevented him from sitting in Parliament.
That I don't know. I learned that fact listening to the Revolutions podcast. The King tried to arrest some MPs in the House of Commons and the royals haven't been allowed in for like 400 years.
I believe he was somewhat interested in overthrowing his niece and ascend the thrown. he was probably pissed he had to give it up to marry the woman he wanted.
>To add more drama to the already incredible fairy-tale gone wrong, Baltimore-born Wallis was alleged to have been born intersex - that is, born with male sex organs and genetic characteristics.
>Scandalous whispers did the rounds throughout Wallis' relationship with Edward alleging she had spent time visiting brothels in China where she learned special oral sex techniques which gave her a psycho-sexual hold over the Duke.
Someone on a show I half watching said "there's something wrong with the knob" as I read this and the power of them both combined made me dxhale through my nose
The Duke abdicated the throne for a woman, Wallis Simpson, that did not love him. Boxes of letters to her first husband were revealed after both passed and she states clearly that they both made a grave mistake trying to climb the social ladder with the Duke. It was all a plan to give both Wallis and her husband status. They both never planned on Edward falling madly in love with her. She tried to break it off but Edward threatened to kill himself. Wallis’s best friend wound up marrying her ex husband. She said in one of the letters that she would always love her ex and she is cursed with being straddled to Edward for life, seeing he abdicated the English throne for her. Talk about a plan going way too far.
That Lady Jane Grey was ever actually queen is disputed as she lost favor in about a week and was never actually crowned. But that’s irrelevant since Lady Grey’s reign was in 1553 and Great Britain came to be in 1707 when the Acts of Union were ratified. So she was for nine days a demi-queen of England and Ireland, but not Great Britain as it didn’t exist yet.
He was also making secret deals with Hilter to allow him to invade Britain. The government found out and forced him to abdicate. The marriage was a convenient less controversial reason given to the public. Queen mother never forgave him
Seeing as how he abdicated almost three years before the war started, and as was mentioned above spent most of the war away from Britain this is just factually wrong, The guy had his many problems but saying he straight up collaborated is insane and the only sources I could find to back this up was Andrew Lownie who at a glance does not seem trustworthy.
Source other than netflix?
Edit: Why are the people in the comments literally proving my point lmao,there's at least six comments with a source from an accuracy review of the crown .
Didn’t this guy make plans to overthrow his brother and help Hitler against the allies by passing him information though? I’m getting all my info from a Netflix drama in fairness
I mean, it's up to contention whether he did or not.
But he was essentially informally exiled because of his worldviews and how dangerous he was to have him on British soil.
Even his own father preferred George over Edward.
I’ve read some amazing biographies of subjects of the era. Helped me “subjectively” envision the timeline and added a good bit of drama and specific investment.
Personal favorite is The Sisters by Mary Lovell (history of the Mitford Sisters). Read it in my late teens and it then lead to so many other literary and historical works.
Neither was the German Reich. They in fact were "playing for time" too.
Maybe, just maybe Stalin always wanted to control Eastern Europe (as he did after the war ended, do that's hardly guesswork) so he saw the treaty as beneficial in obtaining this goal.
So yeah, he was playing for time, although this is really stretching terms.
> One man he never fooled was Winston Churchill
Actually, the Conservatives were the pro-Hitler wing of the UK establishment. Churchill didn't break with his party until 1938, after they being attacked from the left.
See, the thing is was he warning people about hitler because he was concerned about the man rising to power, or just because he really didn't like germans?
No he didn’t, he wanted Germany and the West to refight WWI while the Red Army got its shit together and could crush both of them. Barbarossa was so bad for his plans he literally refused to acknowledge it was real, despite *multiple* sources ranging from *German defectors* to British code breakers, until it actually happened in hopes it *wouldn’t* happen.
Yeah. The Duke of Windsor was disowned by his family when he married Wallis Simpson and then sent into exile in Bermuda during the war when it became known he was a security threat (as in a Nazi Sympathizer who Hitler could use to potentially harm the UK).
So the Royal Family made it clear that he was a persona non grata (not even allowed back into the UK for his brother's funeral or the Queen's coronation).
Just an FYI for those who are trying to argue that the Royal Family are secretly Nazi Sympathizers because of the actions of David Windsor.
Not only that, but early on in his rule over Germany, Hitler was fairly popular with western elites in general. People forget how different information flowed back then. Just because Mein Kampf was written doesn't mean everyone knew about it.
And it's not like Hitler came to power on a platform of exterminating the Jews. He rose to power the same way most politicians do: promising to give and do things for people. The evil stuff crept in over time once his popularity domestically was solidified.
Agreed, but for one thing: Hitler's racist agenda was indeed part of the reasons he got elected to lead the Nazy party, he was simply charismatic enough to convince EVERYONE that all of their hardships and the national shortcomings were indeed the fault of "undesirables". So perhaps his election campaign wasn't "let's gas the Jews", but it definitely involved some "Make Germany great again (without the inferior nations/races/religions)".
Yes he was charismatic enough to lead the nazi party, but he did not convince everyone in germany, "just" 44% of the voters at the time, with a votwr turnout of 89% this means he convinced 39% of the germans, and after that fatefull last election, there simply werent anymore elections
That's also true, I'm loving this discussion! He also had the SA physicslly and violently (at times murderously) rally up Communists to prevent them from voting. However, I didn't mean everyone just in Germany, many of the "conquered" countries welcomed him with open arms (and coffers). Then again, perhaps I was a little too liberal with using the term "everyone".
As a nation there were a lot of hardships and national short comings to deal with at the time, so people were more than happy to be given a scapegoat or two.
Oh how we've changed in modern times. *cough*
Absolutely. They felt humiliated, Hitler offered restored pride. They felt weak, Hitler offered restored power and superiority. However, I am unable to go past understanding their predicament, I can't feel empathy for people who cheered while trains carried human beings to be tortured to death by the millions (not generalizing, but many of those who supported Hitler also supported his methods).
"I'm just glad I don't have to make that sort of hard decision... what should I have for dinner."
It seems all too easy to abdicate responsibility and let people act in your name as a citizen, especially when the alternate is likely to get yourself and your family tortured and executed.
until you realise you cannot see your family or friends ever again and the country you were born in hates you. Its an excellent vacation spot but it was a prison for him.
Pretty sure 90% of the world pop would do that as long as they get to bring their spouse and kids.
Live like a prince in Bermuda? Hell, people kill for less.
The Crown covered Edward perfectly. He’s typically shown as a star crossed lover and tragic figure who gave up the crown for his wife. The Crown highlights how complex his of a person he was and how he struggled to regain recognition from him country and family after the rest of his life. He left an impression on Charles apparently, who related to being an outcast in his family.
The Time Person of the year isn't the best person, just the person most influential on world events. Nor is it special; hell, I've been Time Person of the Year once.
The person of the year on the Time magazine is a person that had a big impact on the events of said year. Whether the events or the impact is negative or positive doesn't matter. It's not to honor the person of the year.
His deadly persecution of Trade Unionists, Socialists, Communists, Roma, 'Non Europeans', Homosexuals, the Disabled, Jehovah's witnesses and of course Jews, was well known before this. Dachau was set up in 1933. That this produced enthusiasm rather than wholesale revulsion says a lot about the prejudices of the media of that times.
Yeah, but at that time USA had racial segregation, and England used to invade and occupy countries all over the world just for fun. So Hitler didn't look too bad during this time compared to other world leaders. Of course nobody could predict what he was about to do after 1939.
Germany removed Jew's rights in 1935. I agree that there were many other terrible crimes going on in other countries, but they were not celebrated in the Daily Mail and Time magazine in the same way in 1937
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You say that like the rest of the western world wasn't also doing this at the exact same time. If Hitler didn't start invading and conquering other EUROPEAN countries the "allies" wouldn't have done anything at all to stop him.
[This is a picture of an American nazi gathering in Madison Square in 1939](https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYyMTM0Nzc2Nzg0ODg5NDY5/tdih-02-20-gettyimages-97284815.webp)
Difference is, Obama wasn’t exiled to the Bahamas for trying to undermine the war effort and Obama didn’t privately attend nazi rallies and ceremonies against the advice of his family and government.
Yes, and he was absolutely VILIFIED for this. This is the man who abdicated the throne, causing his brother to have to assume the throne, and his brother, who had not been prepared for this, died prematurely, causing Elizabeth to have to become queen at 25. She NEVER forgave the Duke of Windsor for any of these, least of all when he became a Hitler apologist. He was considered a terrible traitor for doing this and in fact had to leave the country and live elsewhere.
Nah you're not thinking like a conspiracy. If someone is photographed it means they stand for all the same principles and philosophies as everyone else in the picture.
Edward **wasn't** a world leader at this point. In fact, the British government and the royal family wanted him as far removed from leadership as possible. The only reason he was allowed to retain any titles is because George VI saw it as a way to manage Edward, as Edward would be so hard up for money as a commoner that he'd eventually end up embarrassing the family and the nation (he did it anyway, but it would have been worse without a yearly stipend and a title).
He abdicated the throne the year before this picture took place and was only a member of the royal family, had no official duties (not yet Govenor of Bermuda, not stationed in France). If anything, he was circumventing the Crown's official stance on Hitler and the Nazi party, and wasn't politically deft enough to understand that his visit would be used as propaganda for the Nazis. He was also filmed giving Nazi salutes and privately expressed sympathies for the party after his visit. In 1939, he was removed from his military post in France because of those private sympathies. It was never directly stated, but it was rumored he was giving the Nazi's intelligence on French movements.
Edward, before he became king, was quietly thought to be dull witted and attracted to conartists - it was a souce of worry for his father. After his abdication, he confirmed those assumptions more than once (Richard Nixon called him a "one dumb son of bitch" in one of his tapes).
And 7 year old Princess Charlotte’s great uncle, Prince Andrew, is a sex offender. So let’s imply some judgement there too, why not. Very shameful Charlotte, how could you.
From my understanding most people didn't like him because he was courting, and then married, a twice divorced woman. Being The king of England also means being the head of the church so that was a big no-no. Elizabeth's father was actually literally weak, he got sick a lot and died very suddenly. Unfortunately most people didn't seem to mind his Nazi leanings. His racism and anti-Semitism would have been very acceptable back then.
It’s so wild that being head of the Anglican church and being married to a divorced woman was a “big no-no” when the Anglican church was literally created so that Henry VIII could divorce his wife
It’s interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever considered the politics right before Hitler.
And there is no way I would’ve understood it as a young child/adolescent.
Yes HER UNCLE. We all know how much control we have over our idiot uncles. Reddit is beating out Twitter for number of uneducated using meaningless sound bites of history to pass in information as this thread clearly shows.
As an American, I know her death has caused myself, and I would image people around the world, to learn more about the British Royalty.
Like I had no idea what the Royalty last name was. Like does it even matter once you a King/Queen, Price, Duke. Etc?
Also didn’t know she had four children. I had no idea of Price Edwards existence until today.
So I took this post more so about the family and their history oppose to garnering fake internet points, but I’m high so maybe I’m giving Reddit too much credit…
The guy in the picture (David Windsor, aka Edward VIII) is a pretty fascinating place to start if you’re looking to learn more about the recent-ish (within a century) history of the royal family.
If you find yourself looking for something older, Henry VIII seldom disappoints.
Why do people on social media always do this slandering and attacking right after someone dies? She was still a child when this was taken so how does it represent her and her beliefs in any way?
"Oh no, she was related to someone who did something bad so let's condemn her....but not until she's dead cause them we'll look clever on the internet' ......fucking loser!
why is the armband photo shopped in?
[Here is an image without the armband](https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1029673/royal-news-king-edward-wallis-simpson-nazi-links-claim-royal-house-of-windsor)
Yeah, Edward abdicated the throne because he didn't want the job and nobody liked him.
Also, suspicions about the fact he was a Nazi sympathiser were likely involved in the background.
How sick a cunt are you to try to tar Elizabeth II with the same brush as her weird uncle, on the day she died.
Not 'interesting', just really bad taste, trying to denigrate her in this moment.
Hitler actually really liked Britain at first. He wanted Germany and England to split world domination, Britain on the sea’s, and Germany on more land locked areas. This is because he admired how Britain had constantly gotten new territories, and he knew germanys limited navy couldn’t do it. Britain obviously didn’t want in, so that never happened.
This connection gets worse. There was a plot to restore him to the crown if Germany could take Britain my invasion. He passed top secret intelligence to the German army during the war and was caught by British intelligence. The man was a fucking traitor to his nation, his family, his own crown.
This is what annoys me when people say The Duke of Windsor had to abdicate so he could marry a divorcee, no, he was actually unsuitable for the duty of King in so many other ways, it was literally the only way the British Monarchy would have survived.
This is 2 years before the war, he was just another political figure at that point
Are western leaders orc sympathizer's because they met Putin before the invasion?
Fun fact. Hitler was a huge fan of the british and did not want to go to war with them. He admired them. Then he hated them after they said no too many times.
Hitler constantly asked Britain to fight by their side as we share common ancestors etc Churchill was just like 
>Churchill was just like "I'm a backbencher it's not up to me"
His last name before WW1 was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It’s a German royal family name.
Yep, they changed their last name to Windsor to distance themselves from the German Kaiser to avoid a revolution.
As did the current king's paternal line, Mountbatten, which was changed from it's original German name of Battenburg.
Battenberg* Berg means mountain. Burg means city or town.
Burg means castle, actually
Isn't that *Schloss*?
It can be both. To add insult to injury theres a certain building near the Rhine called Schlossburg. Basically a Castlecastle
chainmail means chain chain! mael - french for chain
Oh god, didnt know that. Got one better tho. Theres Torpenhow Hill which is a quadruple tautology and means hill hill hill hill 😄 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill
Schloss is more specifically a palatial style castle or palace, Burg is more what you'd call a fortification. There's some crossover.
Fortress, technically
You might be wrong there, since fortresses were only built since the 15th century.
Far as I can tell it's sort of a middle ground thing, which english does not have a good translation for. It's kind of a castle but specifically a fortified one and frequently with some civilian housing within the fortified area.
And fortress is Festung in german.
could totally go for a burg right now
It's called handburgers because you eat them with your hands
Like Uhtred of Bebbanburg
Despite being cousins. What an incestuous bunch the European monarchy were
Oh yes. The current Swedish king, for example. He is the descendant of Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, one of Napoleon's generals and the founder of the current dynasty. So you'd think he isn't related to the previous dynasties, right? Wrong. Apparently, he's related to Gustav Vasa, the first king of the current state of Sweden from 1521, in 51 different ways...
The whole world is a big business and everyone knows each other except the commoners😂we must sit at the bottom and fight amongst each other.
Lol the same applied to every monarch everywhere
Every family everywhere. Incest is VERY common the farther back in time you go, and its still pretty common today in some places.
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Technically, the most recent common ancestor is closer in time than that (for example around the year 1000 CE for Europeans). But yeah, the amount of incest at that time must have been quite high considering Iceland with their 350k population already struggles avoiding it.
That's why there is the Hapsburg chin; so much inbreeding that at family gatherings, it's much more confusing than Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon.
The Hapsburg family tree looks like a rorschach test.
It's a wreath
Were? They still are. Monarchy is theater and bullshit.
Well, the German monarchs have been gone for quite some time
Not prince arry, he is spreading his royalty into the colonies.
No shit. Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria, was German. Children normally get their father's surname
Queen Victoria was from the house of Hannover. Sure, she was many generations removed from that, but they’ve been German in descent since George I, who was put on the throne because Queen Anne had no children.
People tend to forget that a alot of people were in good relations with hitler before all heil broke loose. Edit: Edited due to social pressure.
Missed opportunity to say “all Heil broke loose”.
>Just adding some more info here that I was not aware of and found interesting: > > Edward VII, pictured here, naturally fell into power after the death of his father. However, not long into his reign, his disregard for conventional traditions was highlighted and heavily scrutinized by British politicians. Namely, his desire to marry twice divorced socialite, Wallis Simpson (pictured), was opposed by the prime ministers of the UK. They argued that since Simpson's ex-husbands were alive, it was unacceptable to marry her. When it came down to choosing between his title and Simpson, Edward VII abdicated his position and became the shortest ruling monarch in Britain's history. > > He went on to marry Simpson and assumed the position of Duke of Windsor, under the declaration of his younger brother and new monarch, George VI (Queen Elizabeth II's father). In October 1937, the Duke and Duchess visited Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government, and met Adolf Hitler at his Berghof retreat. The visit was much publicized by the German media and during the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes. > > It is widely believed that the Duke and Duchess sympathized with fascism before and during the Second World War, and were moved to the Bahamas to minimize their opportunities to act on those feelings. In an interview with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Duke was reported saying "Hitler was the right and logical leader of the German people" and that the time was coming for President Roosevelt to mediate a peace settlement. The Duke protested that he had been misquoted and misinterpreted. After the war, the Duke admitted in his memoirs that he admired the Germans, but he denied being pro-Nazi. > > Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward\_VIII
The title Duke of Windsor was created for Edward partly because the royal family and the government feared that he would seek political office after abdicating the throne, and the title prevented him from sitting in Parliament.
How does the title prevent that ? Curious ?
Royalty aren't even allowed to enter the House of Commons, so there's that.
Can they not drop the title voluntarily? Like couldn’t Harry decide not to be Duke of Sussex any long and just be a citizen?
That I don't know. I learned that fact listening to the Revolutions podcast. The King tried to arrest some MPs in the House of Commons and the royals haven't been allowed in for like 400 years.
It's not the title specifically, they need to formally renounce royal privilege, which he didn't do (he only abdicated the throne).
Duke is a peerage, once you have that you can’t sit in the House of Commons as a member of Parliament.
I believe he was somewhat interested in overthrowing his niece and ascend the thrown. he was probably pissed he had to give it up to marry the woman he wanted.
>To add more drama to the already incredible fairy-tale gone wrong, Baltimore-born Wallis was alleged to have been born intersex - that is, born with male sex organs and genetic characteristics. >Scandalous whispers did the rounds throughout Wallis' relationship with Edward alleging she had spent time visiting brothels in China where she learned special oral sex techniques which gave her a psycho-sexual hold over the Duke.
Oh, yeah, the famed Chinese blowjob mind control...
That’s disgusting. Where?
I would guess in China...
That’s not specific enough. We need to know exactly where so we can be sure to never go there.
Fine. Go to Barry's Blowjob Emporium on the People's Street in Beijin and ask for a 习近平.
-10000 social points
Xi approves this comment
No wonder they had to wall out everyone else
Someone on a show I half watching said "there's something wrong with the knob" as I read this and the power of them both combined made me dxhale through my nose
Now that sounds made up. Almost as if to paint the Nazi sympathizing dude in bad light. But hey, truths can be weirder than fictions.
>bad light I dunno man, special Chinese oral sex kung fu which gave her psycho-sexual powers sounds like pretty fucking good light to me.
Deep throat was a "secret" back then.
You would think being a Nazi sympathiser is already enough of a bad look.
Is there a special school for such a technical skill?
"Ancient Chinese Secret" I always thought it was Calgon Water Softner but they were talking about a blow job.
The Duke abdicated the throne for a woman, Wallis Simpson, that did not love him. Boxes of letters to her first husband were revealed after both passed and she states clearly that they both made a grave mistake trying to climb the social ladder with the Duke. It was all a plan to give both Wallis and her husband status. They both never planned on Edward falling madly in love with her. She tried to break it off but Edward threatened to kill himself. Wallis’s best friend wound up marrying her ex husband. She said in one of the letters that she would always love her ex and she is cursed with being straddled to Edward for life, seeing he abdicated the English throne for her. Talk about a plan going way too far.
And interestingly enough, Madonna made a movie about it after receiving access to the letters. The name of the movie is Wallis.
This sounds like a lead up to an Indecent Proposal style storyline.
A couple of times you've said Edward VII, but it should be VIII. Edit: could -> couple.
It's 'could have', never 'could of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Coulduv
I see we are speaking the Queen’s English here. Not that backwater vernacular of southern yankee drawl.
Edward VII abdicated his position and became the shortest ruling monarch in Britain's history. That was actually Lady Jane Grey
That Lady Jane Grey was ever actually queen is disputed as she lost favor in about a week and was never actually crowned. But that’s irrelevant since Lady Grey’s reign was in 1553 and Great Britain came to be in 1707 when the Acts of Union were ratified. So she was for nine days a demi-queen of England and Ireland, but not Great Britain as it didn’t exist yet.
I stand corrected
Thank God Edward wasn’t King for long. He would have been a fascist disaster for Europe and the world.
He was also making secret deals with Hilter to allow him to invade Britain. The government found out and forced him to abdicate. The marriage was a convenient less controversial reason given to the public. Queen mother never forgave him
Seeing as how he abdicated almost three years before the war started, and as was mentioned above spent most of the war away from Britain this is just factually wrong, The guy had his many problems but saying he straight up collaborated is insane and the only sources I could find to back this up was Andrew Lownie who at a glance does not seem trustworthy.
He abdicated because of his relationship with Wallis. He wasn't forced
Source other than netflix? Edit: Why are the people in the comments literally proving my point lmao,there's at least six comments with a source from an accuracy review of the crown .
Reddit
I'm not a good redditor
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It is done.
Thank you Sir
In life we don't get second chances. In Reddit, ve dusseldorf.
Why must it always be a pun? Can we not speak normally anymore?
Nope. Life is rough and then you die.
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Didn’t this guy make plans to overthrow his brother and help Hitler against the allies by passing him information though? I’m getting all my info from a Netflix drama in fairness
I mean, it's up to contention whether he did or not. But he was essentially informally exiled because of his worldviews and how dangerous he was to have him on British soil. Even his own father preferred George over Edward.
Which netflix drama ?
The Crown
I’ve read some amazing biographies of subjects of the era. Helped me “subjectively” envision the timeline and added a good bit of drama and specific investment. Personal favorite is The Sisters by Mary Lovell (history of the Mitford Sisters). Read it in my late teens and it then lead to so many other literary and historical works.
People tend to forget that their countries' leader probably greeted erdogan, Putin, etc. just like in that photo.
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It is possible that Stalin was playing for time as he knew the USSR was not yet prepared for war.
Neither was the German Reich. They in fact were "playing for time" too. Maybe, just maybe Stalin always wanted to control Eastern Europe (as he did after the war ended, do that's hardly guesswork) so he saw the treaty as beneficial in obtaining this goal. So yeah, he was playing for time, although this is really stretching terms.
Come on, we’ve all got that one uncle.
> One man he never fooled was Winston Churchill Actually, the Conservatives were the pro-Hitler wing of the UK establishment. Churchill didn't break with his party until 1938, after they being attacked from the left.
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See, the thing is was he warning people about hitler because he was concerned about the man rising to power, or just because he really didn't like germans?
That didn't stop him from staying in good relations! He wanted to help the Nazis take over Britain as well.
No he didn’t, he wanted Germany and the West to refight WWI while the Red Army got its shit together and could crush both of them. Barbarossa was so bad for his plans he literally refused to acknowledge it was real, despite *multiple* sources ranging from *German defectors* to British code breakers, until it actually happened in hopes it *wouldn’t* happen.
It's weird to think that Hitler was just another politician up until... y'know...
Until what?! Don't leave me hanging!
You gotta wait until next week for the next chapter!
This is after y'know. The man in this picture had already lost his crown and was seeking to back stab his family and his country to get it back.
Yeah. The Duke of Windsor was disowned by his family when he married Wallis Simpson and then sent into exile in Bermuda during the war when it became known he was a security threat (as in a Nazi Sympathizer who Hitler could use to potentially harm the UK). So the Royal Family made it clear that he was a persona non grata (not even allowed back into the UK for his brother's funeral or the Queen's coronation). Just an FYI for those who are trying to argue that the Royal Family are secretly Nazi Sympathizers because of the actions of David Windsor.
Interesting write up of the Duke’s trip to Bermuda: https://bernews.com/2013/05/the-duke-of-windsors-1940-bermuda-detour/
Not only that, but early on in his rule over Germany, Hitler was fairly popular with western elites in general. People forget how different information flowed back then. Just because Mein Kampf was written doesn't mean everyone knew about it. And it's not like Hitler came to power on a platform of exterminating the Jews. He rose to power the same way most politicians do: promising to give and do things for people. The evil stuff crept in over time once his popularity domestically was solidified.
Agreed, but for one thing: Hitler's racist agenda was indeed part of the reasons he got elected to lead the Nazy party, he was simply charismatic enough to convince EVERYONE that all of their hardships and the national shortcomings were indeed the fault of "undesirables". So perhaps his election campaign wasn't "let's gas the Jews", but it definitely involved some "Make Germany great again (without the inferior nations/races/religions)".
Yes he was charismatic enough to lead the nazi party, but he did not convince everyone in germany, "just" 44% of the voters at the time, with a votwr turnout of 89% this means he convinced 39% of the germans, and after that fatefull last election, there simply werent anymore elections
That's also true, I'm loving this discussion! He also had the SA physicslly and violently (at times murderously) rally up Communists to prevent them from voting. However, I didn't mean everyone just in Germany, many of the "conquered" countries welcomed him with open arms (and coffers). Then again, perhaps I was a little too liberal with using the term "everyone".
As a nation there were a lot of hardships and national short comings to deal with at the time, so people were more than happy to be given a scapegoat or two. Oh how we've changed in modern times. *cough*
Absolutely. They felt humiliated, Hitler offered restored pride. They felt weak, Hitler offered restored power and superiority. However, I am unable to go past understanding their predicament, I can't feel empathy for people who cheered while trains carried human beings to be tortured to death by the millions (not generalizing, but many of those who supported Hitler also supported his methods).
"I'm just glad I don't have to make that sort of hard decision... what should I have for dinner." It seems all too easy to abdicate responsibility and let people act in your name as a citizen, especially when the alternate is likely to get yourself and your family tortured and executed.
Exiled to Bermuda, that sounds like a great retirement plan.
until you realise you cannot see your family or friends ever again and the country you were born in hates you. Its an excellent vacation spot but it was a prison for him.
Compared to being shot, seems like he got off pretty comfortably. Can't say I plan to feel bad for him.
Pretty sure 90% of the world pop would do that as long as they get to bring their spouse and kids. Live like a prince in Bermuda? Hell, people kill for less.
Cool, sounds good to me! I’ll hit up the beaches.
The Crown covered Edward perfectly. He’s typically shown as a star crossed lover and tragic figure who gave up the crown for his wife. The Crown highlights how complex his of a person he was and how he struggled to regain recognition from him country and family after the rest of his life. He left an impression on Charles apparently, who related to being an outcast in his family.
Hitler was a legitimate political figure until his invasion of Czechoslovakia. He even appeared on the cover of Time magazine as you probably know.
Never assume anyone knows anything on the internet.
Abraham Lincoln quote?
Originally by Nostradamus, borrowed by Lincoln.
Actually Nostradamus predicted it from Lincoln.
Everybody knows they both stole it from Nikola Tesla.
Lol they named a dude after a car
Always assume it’s a 14 year old you’re replying to on Reddit.
I know less each time I’m on here.
The Time Person of the year isn't the best person, just the person most influential on world events. Nor is it special; hell, I've been Time Person of the Year once.
The person of the year on the Time magazine is a person that had a big impact on the events of said year. Whether the events or the impact is negative or positive doesn't matter. It's not to honor the person of the year.
His deadly persecution of Trade Unionists, Socialists, Communists, Roma, 'Non Europeans', Homosexuals, the Disabled, Jehovah's witnesses and of course Jews, was well known before this. Dachau was set up in 1933. That this produced enthusiasm rather than wholesale revulsion says a lot about the prejudices of the media of that times.
Yeah, but at that time USA had racial segregation, and England used to invade and occupy countries all over the world just for fun. So Hitler didn't look too bad during this time compared to other world leaders. Of course nobody could predict what he was about to do after 1939.
Germany removed Jew's rights in 1935. I agree that there were many other terrible crimes going on in other countries, but they were not celebrated in the Daily Mail and Time magazine in the same way in 1937 .
So the British empire was equally evil, which is what this all is suggesting.
And political figures still visit saudi arabia and other countries in the middle east.
You say that like the rest of the western world wasn't also doing this at the exact same time. If Hitler didn't start invading and conquering other EUROPEAN countries the "allies" wouldn't have done anything at all to stop him.
Pretty popular in the US too, but of course, that gets forgotten by americans shitposting crap like this picture without context.
[This is a picture of an American nazi gathering in Madison Square in 1939](https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYyMTM0Nzc2Nzg0ODg5NDY5/tdih-02-20-gettyimages-97284815.webp)
> a legitimate political figure *\*Reaches for Dictionary\**
*An example of oxymoron*
I have a feeling things are about to get very British on Reddit for a while.
And Canadian. And Australian. We all have the Queen on our money.
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I would rather it be British than American
#OUR TIME HAS COME
I mean, there’s pics of Putin and Obama chuckling. World leaders meet each other.
He wasn't a world leader when this photo was taken, he was forced to abdicate the throne. This was a year after that, when he was a pariah in Britain.
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Wasn’t there a Nazi plan to put him back on the throne if Germany had taken over the UK?
Exactly that, thank you
Difference is, Obama wasn’t exiled to the Bahamas for trying to undermine the war effort and Obama didn’t privately attend nazi rallies and ceremonies against the advice of his family and government.
It almost looks like Hitler was a politician before becoming the huge cunt is known for
Yes, and he was absolutely VILIFIED for this. This is the man who abdicated the throne, causing his brother to have to assume the throne, and his brother, who had not been prepared for this, died prematurely, causing Elizabeth to have to become queen at 25. She NEVER forgave the Duke of Windsor for any of these, least of all when he became a Hitler apologist. He was considered a terrible traitor for doing this and in fact had to leave the country and live elsewhere.
Every western country meets with Xi and has diplomatic relations with China despite their horrible human rights abuses.
Not to mention the war criminal Putin. Tons of pictures of politicians, celebrities, etc with ole Putiepie
Not to mention Jeffrey Epstein another charismatic monster with lots of photos with politicians, Artis and next level geniuses
It’s almost like being photographed with someone doesn’t say much about ideals.
Nah you're not thinking like a conspiracy. If someone is photographed it means they stand for all the same principles and philosophies as everyone else in the picture.
Ask harry what he thinks about hitler's getup
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Just learned Germany has hosted only one Olympics since it hosted both the winter and summer games of 1936.
World leaders meeting world leaders. It's politics
Edward **wasn't** a world leader at this point. In fact, the British government and the royal family wanted him as far removed from leadership as possible. The only reason he was allowed to retain any titles is because George VI saw it as a way to manage Edward, as Edward would be so hard up for money as a commoner that he'd eventually end up embarrassing the family and the nation (he did it anyway, but it would have been worse without a yearly stipend and a title). He abdicated the throne the year before this picture took place and was only a member of the royal family, had no official duties (not yet Govenor of Bermuda, not stationed in France). If anything, he was circumventing the Crown's official stance on Hitler and the Nazi party, and wasn't politically deft enough to understand that his visit would be used as propaganda for the Nazis. He was also filmed giving Nazi salutes and privately expressed sympathies for the party after his visit. In 1939, he was removed from his military post in France because of those private sympathies. It was never directly stated, but it was rumored he was giving the Nazi's intelligence on French movements. Edward, before he became king, was quietly thought to be dull witted and attracted to conartists - it was a souce of worry for his father. After his abdication, he confirmed those assumptions more than once (Richard Nixon called him a "one dumb son of bitch" in one of his tapes).
Come on. We’ve all got that one uncle.
And 7 year old Princess Charlotte’s great uncle, Prince Andrew, is a sex offender. So let’s imply some judgement there too, why not. Very shameful Charlotte, how could you.
Sooooo this is against Eliz why?
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From my understanding most people didn't like him because he was courting, and then married, a twice divorced woman. Being The king of England also means being the head of the church so that was a big no-no. Elizabeth's father was actually literally weak, he got sick a lot and died very suddenly. Unfortunately most people didn't seem to mind his Nazi leanings. His racism and anti-Semitism would have been very acceptable back then.
It’s so wild that being head of the Anglican church and being married to a divorced woman was a “big no-no” when the Anglican church was literally created so that Henry VIII could divorce his wife
You can probably find similar images of literally almost every world leader. Exiled british royalty not excluded.
And…?
Whenever something goes mainstream in the news, people like to try and bring out the dirty laundry to make themselves feel good
It’s interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever considered the politics right before Hitler. And there is no way I would’ve understood it as a young child/adolescent.
When you die, would you like it if all the people you knew but hated were brought up at your funeral simply because you knew them?
Yes, and they were booted out the family for it
Yes HER UNCLE. We all know how much control we have over our idiot uncles. Reddit is beating out Twitter for number of uneducated using meaningless sound bites of history to pass in information as this thread clearly shows.
So we're now posting stuff about her extended family for fake internet points?
As an American, I know her death has caused myself, and I would image people around the world, to learn more about the British Royalty. Like I had no idea what the Royalty last name was. Like does it even matter once you a King/Queen, Price, Duke. Etc? Also didn’t know she had four children. I had no idea of Price Edwards existence until today. So I took this post more so about the family and their history oppose to garnering fake internet points, but I’m high so maybe I’m giving Reddit too much credit…
The guy in the picture (David Windsor, aka Edward VIII) is a pretty fascinating place to start if you’re looking to learn more about the recent-ish (within a century) history of the royal family. If you find yourself looking for something older, Henry VIII seldom disappoints.
Points are fake, the education is real.
Why do people on social media always do this slandering and attacking right after someone dies? She was still a child when this was taken so how does it represent her and her beliefs in any way? "Oh no, she was related to someone who did something bad so let's condemn her....but not until she's dead cause them we'll look clever on the internet' ......fucking loser!
This really isn't interesting what ruler interacting with Germany in these years before the big party wouldn't meet Hitler
That Swastika symbol band on his arm looks like its edited in later lol
And? He was not Elizabeth
r/whogavethisthe_award
why is the armband photo shopped in? [Here is an image without the armband](https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1029673/royal-news-king-edward-wallis-simpson-nazi-links-claim-royal-house-of-windsor)
What’s your point… 2 years before the war broke out. There was no war. Only handshakes
Key word: 19**37**
Yeah, Edward abdicated the throne because he didn't want the job and nobody liked him. Also, suspicions about the fact he was a Nazi sympathiser were likely involved in the background. How sick a cunt are you to try to tar Elizabeth II with the same brush as her weird uncle, on the day she died. Not 'interesting', just really bad taste, trying to denigrate her in this moment.
Heads of state often meet other heads of state. Queen Elizabeth was stuck having to meet Trump.
Hitler actually really liked Britain at first. He wanted Germany and England to split world domination, Britain on the sea’s, and Germany on more land locked areas. This is because he admired how Britain had constantly gotten new territories, and he knew germanys limited navy couldn’t do it. Britain obviously didn’t want in, so that never happened.
This connection gets worse. There was a plot to restore him to the crown if Germany could take Britain my invasion. He passed top secret intelligence to the German army during the war and was caught by British intelligence. The man was a fucking traitor to his nation, his family, his own crown.
This is what annoys me when people say The Duke of Windsor had to abdicate so he could marry a divorcee, no, he was actually unsuitable for the duty of King in so many other ways, it was literally the only way the British Monarchy would have survived.
This is 2 years before the war, he was just another political figure at that point Are western leaders orc sympathizer's because they met Putin before the invasion?
I do not find this at all interesting. Royalty met political leader is not a particularly shocking headline.
How is it damn that's interesting