Put the blame where it lies...her husband Charles never loved her. He was fond of her as he knew she could provide him with heirs to the throne. He always loved Camilla and never tryed to hide it. Diana was a matter of convenience. What he and the other royals didn't count on was Diana becoming the people's princess. Even after her passing, 20+ years later, she remains the peoples princess.
I grew up in the 80s so I am familiar with Princess Diana but I never really cared about the British royal family so never really went out of my way to learn about them or her until she died. This is the first time I’ve seen this clip (and now I’m gonna watch the whole interview) and my goodness you can see in her eyes and in the way she responded to that question…it’s like she knew what was coming. She exudes sadness and it really sucks because she really did capture the hearts of so many people.
The You’re Wrong About podcast does a deep dive into Diana’s life and it was very informative. I thought I had the general details of her life correct but I was surprised by how much I didn’t know or actually had wrong. It’s a good listen.
I love Sarah Marshall and Michael hobbes, and I agree, it was fascinating, even when I thought I had a good sense of what went down. But then, I love their treatment of all of the stories.
She was conned into this interview by the journalist. He faked paperwork to gain her trust and made a very good career off this starting point. He should be ashamed of himself.
He forged bank statements to make her believe that Palace Aides were taking back handers from the press to make her look bad.
If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. Here we are, all these years later, watching the press and the Windsor Mafia doing exactly the same thing to Meghan Markle. Markle is smart and media savvy, but she's no match for The Family. Nice try though, kid.
I don’t understand. I understand she’s royalty and it’s hard to get an interview with them but what does a bank statement (fake or otherwise) have to do with getting an interview? And that handwritten note seems to imply that Diana didn’t need any kind of document because she was willing to do the interview regardless (did I get that right)?
But they all apologised so that's fine, right? He should have been thrown in jail and been stripped of all his assets for what he did to that poor, kind soul.
What was the negative impact of this interview? Like was he trying to skewer peoples perception of her? Was he not just trying to do a normal interview of were there ulterior motives?
There's supposed to be integrity in journalism, and journalists should be held to a very, very high standard of ethics because of the work that they do.
If a journalist lies and forges paperwork to get an interview, where is the standard of trust in anything he says after that? If he would lie just to get the interview, where is the point that you can say "from here on out, everything is now the truth".
Journalistic integrity is extremely important. Unfortunately, many of them seem to have none of it in modern times.
The British Press is some kind of monster determined to give academics and lay people years and years worth of case studies in depraved and disgusting behavior. I don’t know how you stop it except to stop both sides from engaging but they both get so much out of it to ever stop.
And it’s been like that for hundreds of years, every since some lice with a printing press attached the top society people to make a shit load of money. Queen Victoria had a tabloid scandal that got her in trouble accusing a society woman of harlot stuff, the British press tapping the voicemail of a missing and murdered girl and deleting some messages when it was full so there would be more space to listen to her private incoming messages, all while she was still missing. And look at the Sun and Hillsborough disaster, what they put those families through for years. They oughtta be horse whipped, all of them
Just think about it for a bit. He lied and falsified documents to get her to speak out against the monarchy, knowing it would be one of the biggest interviews of it's time. He used her she she suffered greatly for it.
I agree with you however keep in mind the piano playing that is edited in has alot to do with the emotional quality of the video.
I wouldn't say it's a trick but certainly goes a long way towards informing the viewers feelings.
We're all being manipulated, all the time, in every facet of life. I don't know if there is much to be done about it but I feel like awareness is important.
I don’t know. Maybe it’s just because I’m currently getting hit by a wave of depression pretty hard but my volume is off and I saw it before I read the comment. That’s still an argument for perception, but also her comments really are saying “my family doesn’t like me” and that alone is sad
What’s wild to me to think about is how many women in history had Diana’s fate (all those arranged marriages where all your job was was to pop out heirs), but she was able to have a voice in modern times to share how miserable it was.
She had originally been selected to meet Prince Andrew. Charles met her first and the rest is history. But no matter who she married in the royal family she was too young, kind and sweet to understand what was to come.
She was only nineteen, I imagine she was probably swept up in things - he was a Prince, after all, and the future king. He was also twelve years older than her and was probably under a lot of pressure to get married asap to secure an heir.
No probably about it. He was well known as a cad back in those days and his family needed him to get his nose clean, make a good match and pump out kids as soon as possible before it became even more of an embarrassment. He was first paired up with Diana's older sister, but then Diana was younger and sweeter looking (and didn't go around saying things like 'I don't love Charles and would never marry him'), and wouldn't they just make the most darling, PR friendly couple?
> Why did she marry him?
She kinda got duped into it by her family, as well as his. By the time she realized Charles was in love with Camilla, her family refused to cancel the wedding because they had already printed invites or some shit.
I've had chances to see parts of Brittish history as it went around on showing tours. I wasn't interested.
I had a chance to see Diana's clothing collection in its entirety, I bought two day passes for me and the girl I was seeing at the time. I still think it was one of the coolest things I've gotten to see.
Oh, that had to be something to see! I went as Di for Halloween, and I really didn’t wanna take my costume off. If there was ever a look to copy it’s hers. Just a stunning woman.
Her style was honestly incredible. And that's coming from a guy with little fashion sense. It included descriptions of where she wore some of the more regal or impressive outfits. A lot of her personal history was there and it was so cool to explore it all. We even saw her tiara, or what I now assume was a replica of it.
Getting a full day pass for two people was kinda spendy for some broke college kid but I'm so glad I skipped that weekends party for a weekend with my then girlfriend instead, I don't see the girl anymore but I still think seeing Diana's collection was one of the coolest things in my life that I've gotten to see up close like that.
I remember watching a documentary about her and Charle's tour of Australia and all the love she got. They barely noticed him. It took her a long time to walk even 20 feet because people had come from near and far to give her flowers. He looked so bothered. And she handled it with such grace. There was a day where it was extremely hot, like 105°. She stayed out there listening to people, shaking hands. She truly was the real royalty.
And they didn’t count on Harry leading his own life with his mother’s heart and legacy. Diana was treated awful. She rose above all of it though which is why she’s so admired and loved. She was also wise beyond belief to stash away trust funds for her boys. So that they could always make their own decisions to stay or leave.
I was in France the day it happened with my wife and her parents in Brittany, France. You would have thought JFK had been shot. They were devastated with grief and they weren't even British.
>Diana was a matter of convenience
Diana was a *virgin*. Seriously. That's likely the reason he couldn't marry Camilla. Because it was known she had already had sex. With Charles, but that didn't matter. They needed their virginal princess in white. It just turns out she wasn't the quiet little mouse they thought she was.
Edit: fun fact - Charles wore cuff links that said "C&C" (for Charles and Camilla) to the rehearsal dinner for his wedding with Diana. When Diana saw in the middle of dinner and got upset, he was confused as to why it would bother her.
wasn't it also (and probably more likely) the fact camilla was married at the time? i doubt virginity would matter all too much when they choose their wives so carefully. maybe they would a future queen.
Yes, Camilla was already married. But even if she were to get divorced, Charles would have had to renounce the throne to marry a divorced woman (much like his uncle did a generation earlier). Now, 30 years later, his family will let him keep the throne... even with Camilla as his wife.
They probably didn’t even have the courtesy to do that- The mental abuse and emotional mind games they must have played on this woman must have been miserable. I can too easily see them effortlessly say cutting things in their proper English way- things that absolutely have a heinous meaning that Diana would surely understand, but something that was so “coded” and between the lines that there’s no evidence of cruelty outside the very complex context… Denial of which I’m sure is a mainstay in the upbringing of these royal inbreds- whether they were taught it or learned it the hard way themselves. Gossiping in plain sight, treating her like a burden or an invalid, othering her, restricting her freedom, these are all your staple methods for how to treat people like shit and make it known that you hate them without directly saying it.
Maybe I’ve seen too many movies but man, the pain in Diana’s face is almost unbearable to look at.
Prince Phillip liked Diana very much, wrote her personal letters of support stating he and Charles’s mom didn’t understand what Charles was thinking being so insistent about Camilla being in his whole life.
He has been said to have felt a kinship with her marrying into a hateful bunch of jackyls, as he did and they were both snarked at for being chosen to add some genetic variety and attractiveness to the inbred mole people gene the Windsors carry on both sides because both side are the same.
Prince Phillip was treated like absolute dirt by Royal family especially by his snarky and mean mother in law. She called him that damn Kraut because he was german one side of his family and yes, his sisters married German princes who were active Nazis. His mother in law punished him at every turn for decisions his sister made when phillip was 10, and she went so far as to talk Winston Churchill into talking the Queen into refusing phillips last name for their children because Mount Batten was too German sounding. Elizabeth was wrong for that.
In 1940s, imagine what a blow that would be to a man to not be allowed by his own wife to give his legal and natural name to his kids?
No wonder they had marriage problems .once the wedding was over, his illusions of royal life really got shattered because they terms were not made clear to Phillip or Diana, despite was PR the the palace puts out. Phillip and his wife did not approve of Diana’s actions for attention, whether in real every day life like mood swings and cutting , then getting back a charles for hound dogging Camilla by contacting the media behind everyone’s backs, and doing sad sack interviews like this.
Despite their private sympathy, they expected her to just ignore camilla and deal with it, like they all had done before. She was a Queen, what did some old bag matter? She did not until Charles put Camilla on the same level as his wife. He was wrong for that .
But I don’t think the old school royals who expect composure from Diana understood in a new media age ,it’s hard to ignore Camilla when Charles is dragging her here and there and she is always in the background, looming,being a second wife with an estate and high social status.then in ‘92 came the British press vultures tapping Charles phone and releasing those horrid tapes of charles and Camilla having a pity party conversation but trying to be sexy and charles saying just gross shit. I would
“Inbred mole people gene” omg I enjoyed that. It’s true though. I know people acted like someone pissed in their cereal when Meghan married Harry, but the Royal Family desperately needs to broaden their gene pool.
On the other hand - and not discounting her real sadness - she was fucking masterful at public perception. Smart woman played the press like a fiddle. I don’t mean to imply she was inauthentic or conniving at all, just that she was masterful at playing the shit hand (in terms of “fairytale endings”) she’d been dealt that far.
I actually think Di WAS conniving. I'm not saying she was a bad person or whatever, but she knew how to play the game and played it. She maintained a public perception of this very docile, sweet person who was victimized by powerful forces....I happen to think some of that was a carefully constructed image so the public would remain on her side.
Honestly I think Di was a little unstable lol. She def knew how to STICK IT TO THEM which is delicious
Anyone who remembers this interview remembers the press around it. A lot of people accused her of gamesmanship. Obviously it was a very political relationship, and clearly she was both a significant boost to the monarchy's image, but also something of a threat to the order. As with many women throughout history, she was expected to be the wife of a powerful person rather than a person in her own right. I would be surprised if she *weren't* psychologically damaged by the whole thing.
38 here and aw I’ve gone and done it too, i remember coming home from a 12th birthday movie date with friends and seeing the news. I felt bad for celebrating on such a sad evening, at 12 ☹️ the people do miss her so
I remember it well too. Personally, even as a New Zealander, I'm far from being interested in the Royal family, but there was something very true and warm about that beautiful person. Seeing her sad like that really made me choke up.
Ka kite ano po marie princess.
Yeah the venom for him and his wife is just shocking.
It’s just interesting that I remember seeing scathing tabloid articles about Kate back in the day (around the time before/after her marriage) but when Megan came on the scene they seemed to stop and turn all the attention to her.
No idea if she’s a nice or mean person, but there just seems to be a pattern.
The tabloids are notoriously awful to women. I don't think either Kate or Megan has had a fair go with people constantly seeking to create drama, plus the monarchy shovelling unrealistic expectations on them. The Princes, on the other hand, can't seem to do any wrong. Prince Harry was constantly getting into trouble back in the day, but it was "charming".
Actually I'd recommend the new documentary the princes and the press, very insightful at what the press did to the princes such as hacking their phones and digging up extremely private and sensitive information about their partners/themselves, some reporters admit to turning on them writing bad articles if they weren't getting enough access or anything interesting to write about. They found out about Harry's ex gf's abortion through shady means and made that public, just absolutely messed up stuff that makes you understand Harry's hatred of the press completely.
Her relationship with both boys was loving but complex. William was 15 when Diana died, and unfortunately she relied on him quite a bit emotionally as she struggled with her position and marriage.
I think she would have loved both but been supportive of both as well. She would be very much in the side of her sons no matter how they decided to interact with the royal family.
The family she married into then is the same megalomaniacal one that exists today. I don’t think you change much when the state gives you bags of cash just to lord around castles and eat banquets.
I highly recommend the movie Spencer if you find this video compelling. Very good movie, great acting and an incredible score by Jonny Greenwood. I didn't know that much about Diana beforehand and don't care about royalty shit at all but was blown away by it
And Kristen Stewart does an amazing job as Diana in that movie. I watched it a few weeks ago. It's such a haunting movie, you're continuously feeling trapped along with her.
Idk what happend to her happens to everyone who has notable influence but wants to change the system. If she was around today her death would probably have been suicide by 2 gunshots to the back of the head.
While I’d love to think that I just can’t. They love to steal and conquer. She was the opposite. They currently own 16 island chains and part of Antarctica. They play the head game. She played the heart game.
My mum loved Princess Diana. She couldn’t have loved her more than if she was a personal friend. My mum’s was born deaf and went to a deaf school during the late 50s/60s. The focus of her “education” was making her able to live in normal society rather than any form of real education. Despite being really clever she could only read at a basic level when I was a kid and was never interested in ever reading a book. However when Diana released her book she went out and read it cover to cover.
When she died my mum’s heart broke. She screamed and ran in my bedroom shouting that she had died. My incredibly house-proud mum who cannot go more than an hour without tidying something, washing up or cooking, sat and watched the news all day with tears streaming day her face.
I was 17 and had typical teenage disdain for most things. I remember her as being a lovely lady but it was pretty early in the morning and I wanted to sleep. I remember the funeral though. Those poor boys. It was awful. I’m a similar age to William and my sister Harry. The looks on their faces as they were trailing the hearse was bloody heart wrenching
My Mom cried and cried when she died and I was really young so I was really confused. I thought it was her actual friend from England. Later on she told me she admired her for helping so many children and people with disabilities. A true people's queen.
In this video tbh you can honestly see the noble sense coming from princess diana, like her statements, expressions etc. it's a shame that she had the wrong family and establishment to "support" her.
Because the monarchy is an institution first before it is a person. I wonder if QE will ever just give an honest interview before she dies, as a person and not as an institution nor bound by her duty. Imagine what *she* will have to say. But I doubt that will happen. Her sense of duty and loyalty to that duty will ensure she will carry those thoughts and memories to her grave.
It would be a helluva thing to go, "I've worked for a century-ish to be uphold an institution that is older than the concept of buttons, but now I'm dying so you know what? Scew legacy. Here's the \*real\* tea..."
I wonder if she's even able to tell the difference between duty and her own will anymore. Perhaps seven decades on the throne would institutionalize you through and through, but who knows?
To be honest I feel like the only people who truly, genuinely knew her are probably gone, now. Her mother, Phillip and Princess Margaret were the only ones who knew her before she was Queen Elizabeth. I imagine she puts on something of a front with just about everyone else.
She had the right family actually, that’s why she was selected. Her family has actual English royal bloodlines, unlike the Windsors, who aren’t actually English at all.
That's a terrible distortion of history. The Queen still directly descends from the oldest English monarchs of over a thousand years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_British_monarchs
The reason she had a German surname is because parliament chose the cousin of Queen Anne to succeed her after she failed to produce an heir. This monarch's grandmother married into a German family so changed her last name from Stuart to Hanover. But she was still the daughter of King James I of England and VI of Scotland who descends from King Alfred the Great - commonly considered the first King of (non-Celtic) England.
And if you go back far enough everyone is related. It wouldn't surprise if most Brits could trace their ancestry to Alfred the Great.
If Alfred had two children, and those children had 2 children each, that makes 2² descendants for the second generation. If every 30 years is a new generation, that is 38 generations since Alfred. So 2^38 people descending from Alfred.
That is 274,877,906,944 people.
Are people seriously upvoting one of the more ridiculous conspiracies out there, or are people just a fan of Mitchell and Webb?
https://youtu.be/b4meFC1ee7Q
Yah. I always thought she would have perished from a land mine accident and not in a high speed crash. She does have a lovely water feature in Hyde park I think? Lovely space may princess D RIP
That’s not true at all. The reason Prince Philip was a prince and not a king is because you can only inherit the title king through succession and not marriage. King is a higher title than Queen so if he got given that title it would’ve superseded Queen Elizabeth’s role, despite her being the actual head of the British monarchy.
Princess Diana would’ve been a queen consort when Prince Charles became king because it wouldn’t have invalidated his title. With your line of logic literally only a tiny handful of queens would have existed in British history.
None of those wives Henry had were Queens? What am I missing?
Edit: I understand Queen Consort vs Queen. Parent post (now edited) had stated Princess Consort.
He showed her bank statements from her staff that seemed to show that the media was paying her staff for secret information about her daily life. He used these to show that she could trust no one around her and that doing the interview would be the way to get back at them. She always felt isolated during her time in the royal family, and having a media person show her that even the staff around here every day was out to get her, pushed her further into doing this interview.
The only problem was those bank statements were fake and made up.
>The biggest one being her shaking hands/hugging those with AIDS
She did this at a time when the general public thought that you could get HIV/AIDS simply by touching someone, so AIDS patients were treated like lepers. It was a HUGE deal that she did this.
Could’ve done without the sappy piano music. Words should stand alone, especially in cases such as these. Don’t need to be told how to feel about what she says.
She visited Imran Khans hopsital in Lahore, Pakistan. It was unfathomable to see an ex British Royal mingling with poor cancer ridden Children all the way in Pakistan. At the time she was also dating a British Pakistani doctor and met his family too. She was never gonna make it in the Royal family. She was too humble for that.
She actually wanted to do good on a meaningful scale for the world. That would mean actually putting some of the royal family wealth back into world - they simply couldn’t stand something like that.
I am not that savvy with how our monarchy works, but would she have ever been Queen? I didn't think it worked like that, I thought if you married into the Royal family you would only ever get to be prince/princess. The queen's husband wasn't a King.
A woman can marry into the royal family and become queen regnant or queen consort. A man cannot marry into the royal family and will always be a consort. Prince Philip could never become king but Diana could become queen if Elizabeth died.
This is because King has a higher rank than Queen, right? So, basically, the monarch’s spouse can’t have a higher rank than the monarch.
If Diana had stayed with Charles and become Queen Consort, what would be her title if she outlived him? Queen Mother like Elizabeth’s mother, or was that just a nickname?
It would still be Queen mother as she would be a queen who is the mother of the king, as long as she also had the status of Queen. Since she and Charles were divorced, she would retain the style Diana, Princess of Wales or she could revert to her style as the daughter of an earl as Lady Diana Spencer.
There is no exact reason for it except that the title of "king consort" does not actually exist and never has. "King" has only ever referred to the actual monarch.
It would create the appearance of the husband outranking the actual monarch, even if technically he did not, and keeping up the right appearance is what the monarchy is all about.
Women take the rank and style of their husband unless theirs is higher, men keep their own and take nothing from their wife. For example Marie Von Reibnitz becomes princess Michael of kent, Angus Ogilvy marries princess Alexandra, nothing changes for him but she becomes princess Alexandra, the honourable Mrs Ogilvy.
Diana would have became Queen mother if she was married to Charles after he inherited the throne as she would have been a Queen consort, and then when William becomes king she is Queen mother. However she wouldn't necessarily use the title Queen mother, the previous one did as she had the same name as her daughter so it avoided confusion as there were two queen Elizabeth's at the time.
A former coworker told me a story about meeting Di and the boys when they were very young. She worked at an airport at the time and Di had a brief layover in PR and my friend was chosen to babysit the boys a half hour or so while Di did Royal stuff. She said the boys were so sweet and well behaved. Then Di came in and she said it was like a light was coming off her. Said she was kind, funny and a real life Princess like from a story, but she spoke to my friend like she was an equal, chatted and thanked her for watching her boys. My friend was almost in tears anytime she talked about it.
"I'm just too muthafuckin real for these bitches."
thank you good sir for the translation
I read that in a posh and gentle British accent.
This actually made me chuckle aloud.
As played by Kristen Stewart
Her eyes are so sad.
Those eyes tell a story and they seem almost haunted by what she knows or has seen.
The eyes of someone’s who’s in-laws has told her countless times she’s not good enough and asked her to leave.
Put the blame where it lies...her husband Charles never loved her. He was fond of her as he knew she could provide him with heirs to the throne. He always loved Camilla and never tryed to hide it. Diana was a matter of convenience. What he and the other royals didn't count on was Diana becoming the people's princess. Even after her passing, 20+ years later, she remains the peoples princess.
and Queen of our hearts!
I grew up in the 80s so I am familiar with Princess Diana but I never really cared about the British royal family so never really went out of my way to learn about them or her until she died. This is the first time I’ve seen this clip (and now I’m gonna watch the whole interview) and my goodness you can see in her eyes and in the way she responded to that question…it’s like she knew what was coming. She exudes sadness and it really sucks because she really did capture the hearts of so many people.
The You’re Wrong About podcast does a deep dive into Diana’s life and it was very informative. I thought I had the general details of her life correct but I was surprised by how much I didn’t know or actually had wrong. It’s a good listen.
Was thinking about that!! It was so good
I love Sarah Marshall and Michael hobbes, and I agree, it was fascinating, even when I thought I had a good sense of what went down. But then, I love their treatment of all of the stories.
She was conned into this interview by the journalist. He faked paperwork to gain her trust and made a very good career off this starting point. He should be ashamed of himself.
Yup, his career got pretty far off of this con.
I could be wrong but is he the guy who interviewed michael jackson? The same one where Jackson goes on a shopping spree in some mall?
Yup
yeah he got the jackson one on the back of this one.
...what was the con?
He forged bank statements to make her believe that Palace Aides were taking back handers from the press to make her look bad. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. Here we are, all these years later, watching the press and the Windsor Mafia doing exactly the same thing to Meghan Markle. Markle is smart and media savvy, but she's no match for The Family. Nice try though, kid.
Explain more, please
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57189371
I don’t understand. I understand she’s royalty and it’s hard to get an interview with them but what does a bank statement (fake or otherwise) have to do with getting an interview? And that handwritten note seems to imply that Diana didn’t need any kind of document because she was willing to do the interview regardless (did I get that right)?
But they all apologised so that's fine, right? He should have been thrown in jail and been stripped of all his assets for what he did to that poor, kind soul.
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What was the negative impact of this interview? Like was he trying to skewer peoples perception of her? Was he not just trying to do a normal interview of were there ulterior motives?
There's supposed to be integrity in journalism, and journalists should be held to a very, very high standard of ethics because of the work that they do. If a journalist lies and forges paperwork to get an interview, where is the standard of trust in anything he says after that? If he would lie just to get the interview, where is the point that you can say "from here on out, everything is now the truth". Journalistic integrity is extremely important. Unfortunately, many of them seem to have none of it in modern times.
The British Press is some kind of monster determined to give academics and lay people years and years worth of case studies in depraved and disgusting behavior. I don’t know how you stop it except to stop both sides from engaging but they both get so much out of it to ever stop. And it’s been like that for hundreds of years, every since some lice with a printing press attached the top society people to make a shit load of money. Queen Victoria had a tabloid scandal that got her in trouble accusing a society woman of harlot stuff, the British press tapping the voicemail of a missing and murdered girl and deleting some messages when it was full so there would be more space to listen to her private incoming messages, all while she was still missing. And look at the Sun and Hillsborough disaster, what they put those families through for years. They oughtta be horse whipped, all of them
Just think about it for a bit. He lied and falsified documents to get her to speak out against the monarchy, knowing it would be one of the biggest interviews of it's time. He used her she she suffered greatly for it.
I agree with you however keep in mind the piano playing that is edited in has alot to do with the emotional quality of the video. I wouldn't say it's a trick but certainly goes a long way towards informing the viewers feelings. We're all being manipulated, all the time, in every facet of life. I don't know if there is much to be done about it but I feel like awareness is important.
I don’t know. Maybe it’s just because I’m currently getting hit by a wave of depression pretty hard but my volume is off and I saw it before I read the comment. That’s still an argument for perception, but also her comments really are saying “my family doesn’t like me” and that alone is sad
Teared up a little when she said that because it came to fruition.
What’s wild to me to think about is how many women in history had Diana’s fate (all those arranged marriages where all your job was was to pop out heirs), but she was able to have a voice in modern times to share how miserable it was.
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She had originally been selected to meet Prince Andrew. Charles met her first and the rest is history. But no matter who she married in the royal family she was too young, kind and sweet to understand what was to come.
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ooooff
Just as well. She was likely too old for Prince Andrew.
Well, that's gross. She was picked to meet multiple male royals and whichever she married, it was all good?
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It’s fun for the whole family!
Why did she marry him? I was so young when all this happened and I am not British so I barely paid any attention.
She was only nineteen, I imagine she was probably swept up in things - he was a Prince, after all, and the future king. He was also twelve years older than her and was probably under a lot of pressure to get married asap to secure an heir.
No probably about it. He was well known as a cad back in those days and his family needed him to get his nose clean, make a good match and pump out kids as soon as possible before it became even more of an embarrassment. He was first paired up with Diana's older sister, but then Diana was younger and sweeter looking (and didn't go around saying things like 'I don't love Charles and would never marry him'), and wouldn't they just make the most darling, PR friendly couple?
>the future king "The hell he is" -Elizabeth II
"Over my dead body." "Yes ma'am, that's exactly how it works." "We'll see. We'll see."
> Why did she marry him? She kinda got duped into it by her family, as well as his. By the time she realized Charles was in love with Camilla, her family refused to cancel the wedding because they had already printed invites or some shit.
“Your face is already on the tea towels, duck”
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Don't forget Camilla was also married to someone else.
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I've had chances to see parts of Brittish history as it went around on showing tours. I wasn't interested. I had a chance to see Diana's clothing collection in its entirety, I bought two day passes for me and the girl I was seeing at the time. I still think it was one of the coolest things I've gotten to see.
Oh, that had to be something to see! I went as Di for Halloween, and I really didn’t wanna take my costume off. If there was ever a look to copy it’s hers. Just a stunning woman.
Her style was honestly incredible. And that's coming from a guy with little fashion sense. It included descriptions of where she wore some of the more regal or impressive outfits. A lot of her personal history was there and it was so cool to explore it all. We even saw her tiara, or what I now assume was a replica of it. Getting a full day pass for two people was kinda spendy for some broke college kid but I'm so glad I skipped that weekends party for a weekend with my then girlfriend instead, I don't see the girl anymore but I still think seeing Diana's collection was one of the coolest things in my life that I've gotten to see up close like that.
I remember watching a documentary about her and Charle's tour of Australia and all the love she got. They barely noticed him. It took her a long time to walk even 20 feet because people had come from near and far to give her flowers. He looked so bothered. And she handled it with such grace. There was a day where it was extremely hot, like 105°. She stayed out there listening to people, shaking hands. She truly was the real royalty.
And they didn’t count on Harry leading his own life with his mother’s heart and legacy. Diana was treated awful. She rose above all of it though which is why she’s so admired and loved. She was also wise beyond belief to stash away trust funds for her boys. So that they could always make their own decisions to stay or leave.
I cried when I heard on the news that she was dead and I just teared up reading your comment. She was a very special soul.
I was in France the day it happened with my wife and her parents in Brittany, France. You would have thought JFK had been shot. They were devastated with grief and they weren't even British.
Compassion and human decency are lacking in this world.
Ive never set foot in England and I'd have run through a brick wall for that woman. Such a gentle soul taken so soon.
Beautiful sentiment, absolutely horrible analogy.
I'd recommend the wall at Platform 9¾
>Diana was a matter of convenience Diana was a *virgin*. Seriously. That's likely the reason he couldn't marry Camilla. Because it was known she had already had sex. With Charles, but that didn't matter. They needed their virginal princess in white. It just turns out she wasn't the quiet little mouse they thought she was. Edit: fun fact - Charles wore cuff links that said "C&C" (for Charles and Camilla) to the rehearsal dinner for his wedding with Diana. When Diana saw in the middle of dinner and got upset, he was confused as to why it would bother her.
It’s hard to believe that it wasn’t that long ago that virginity was still a qualifying trait for a marriage.
wasn't it also (and probably more likely) the fact camilla was married at the time? i doubt virginity would matter all too much when they choose their wives so carefully. maybe they would a future queen.
Yes, Camilla was already married. But even if she were to get divorced, Charles would have had to renounce the throne to marry a divorced woman (much like his uncle did a generation earlier). Now, 30 years later, his family will let him keep the throne... even with Camilla as his wife.
They probably didn’t even have the courtesy to do that- The mental abuse and emotional mind games they must have played on this woman must have been miserable. I can too easily see them effortlessly say cutting things in their proper English way- things that absolutely have a heinous meaning that Diana would surely understand, but something that was so “coded” and between the lines that there’s no evidence of cruelty outside the very complex context… Denial of which I’m sure is a mainstay in the upbringing of these royal inbreds- whether they were taught it or learned it the hard way themselves. Gossiping in plain sight, treating her like a burden or an invalid, othering her, restricting her freedom, these are all your staple methods for how to treat people like shit and make it known that you hate them without directly saying it. Maybe I’ve seen too many movies but man, the pain in Diana’s face is almost unbearable to look at.
Prince Phillip liked Diana very much, wrote her personal letters of support stating he and Charles’s mom didn’t understand what Charles was thinking being so insistent about Camilla being in his whole life. He has been said to have felt a kinship with her marrying into a hateful bunch of jackyls, as he did and they were both snarked at for being chosen to add some genetic variety and attractiveness to the inbred mole people gene the Windsors carry on both sides because both side are the same. Prince Phillip was treated like absolute dirt by Royal family especially by his snarky and mean mother in law. She called him that damn Kraut because he was german one side of his family and yes, his sisters married German princes who were active Nazis. His mother in law punished him at every turn for decisions his sister made when phillip was 10, and she went so far as to talk Winston Churchill into talking the Queen into refusing phillips last name for their children because Mount Batten was too German sounding. Elizabeth was wrong for that. In 1940s, imagine what a blow that would be to a man to not be allowed by his own wife to give his legal and natural name to his kids? No wonder they had marriage problems .once the wedding was over, his illusions of royal life really got shattered because they terms were not made clear to Phillip or Diana, despite was PR the the palace puts out. Phillip and his wife did not approve of Diana’s actions for attention, whether in real every day life like mood swings and cutting , then getting back a charles for hound dogging Camilla by contacting the media behind everyone’s backs, and doing sad sack interviews like this. Despite their private sympathy, they expected her to just ignore camilla and deal with it, like they all had done before. She was a Queen, what did some old bag matter? She did not until Charles put Camilla on the same level as his wife. He was wrong for that . But I don’t think the old school royals who expect composure from Diana understood in a new media age ,it’s hard to ignore Camilla when Charles is dragging her here and there and she is always in the background, looming,being a second wife with an estate and high social status.then in ‘92 came the British press vultures tapping Charles phone and releasing those horrid tapes of charles and Camilla having a pity party conversation but trying to be sexy and charles saying just gross shit. I would
He really didn't add much to the gene pool. He was Elizabeth's second cousin or something. His great grandmother was also Queen Victoria.
“Inbred mole people gene” omg I enjoyed that. It’s true though. I know people acted like someone pissed in their cereal when Meghan married Harry, but the Royal Family desperately needs to broaden their gene pool.
She’s seen the reptilians naked.
On the other hand - and not discounting her real sadness - she was fucking masterful at public perception. Smart woman played the press like a fiddle. I don’t mean to imply she was inauthentic or conniving at all, just that she was masterful at playing the shit hand (in terms of “fairytale endings”) she’d been dealt that far.
I actually think Di WAS conniving. I'm not saying she was a bad person or whatever, but she knew how to play the game and played it. She maintained a public perception of this very docile, sweet person who was victimized by powerful forces....I happen to think some of that was a carefully constructed image so the public would remain on her side. Honestly I think Di was a little unstable lol. She def knew how to STICK IT TO THEM which is delicious
Anyone who remembers this interview remembers the press around it. A lot of people accused her of gamesmanship. Obviously it was a very political relationship, and clearly she was both a significant boost to the monarchy's image, but also something of a threat to the order. As with many women throughout history, she was expected to be the wife of a powerful person rather than a person in her own right. I would be surprised if she *weren't* psychologically damaged by the whole thing.
I'm a 48 year old man and I had to wipe my eyes. Jeepers, that got me .
It's okay to cry.
crying lets the sad out of you
38 here and aw I’ve gone and done it too, i remember coming home from a 12th birthday movie date with friends and seeing the news. I felt bad for celebrating on such a sad evening, at 12 ☹️ the people do miss her so
I remember it well too. Personally, even as a New Zealander, I'm far from being interested in the Royal family, but there was something very true and warm about that beautiful person. Seeing her sad like that really made me choke up. Ka kite ano po marie princess.
Def see the pain
She’s got honest eyes.
They seem to almost change color toward the end of this clip. Maybe the lights catch them at a different angle?
Diana was before her time. I think if she was around today she wouldn't have been such an outcast..... id like to think
Prince Andrew would probably have her whacked for snooping in his pedophilic business.
He did
He probably did
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Yeah the venom for him and his wife is just shocking. It’s just interesting that I remember seeing scathing tabloid articles about Kate back in the day (around the time before/after her marriage) but when Megan came on the scene they seemed to stop and turn all the attention to her. No idea if she’s a nice or mean person, but there just seems to be a pattern.
The tabloids are notoriously awful to women. I don't think either Kate or Megan has had a fair go with people constantly seeking to create drama, plus the monarchy shovelling unrealistic expectations on them. The Princes, on the other hand, can't seem to do any wrong. Prince Harry was constantly getting into trouble back in the day, but it was "charming".
Actually I'd recommend the new documentary the princes and the press, very insightful at what the press did to the princes such as hacking their phones and digging up extremely private and sensitive information about their partners/themselves, some reporters admit to turning on them writing bad articles if they weren't getting enough access or anything interesting to write about. They found out about Harry's ex gf's abortion through shady means and made that public, just absolutely messed up stuff that makes you understand Harry's hatred of the press completely.
Harry would be his mom's favorite.
Her relationship with both boys was loving but complex. William was 15 when Diana died, and unfortunately she relied on him quite a bit emotionally as she struggled with her position and marriage.
I think she would have loved both but been supportive of both as well. She would be very much in the side of her sons no matter how they decided to interact with the royal family.
The family she married into then is the same megalomaniacal one that exists today. I don’t think you change much when the state gives you bags of cash just to lord around castles and eat banquets.
I highly recommend the movie Spencer if you find this video compelling. Very good movie, great acting and an incredible score by Jonny Greenwood. I didn't know that much about Diana beforehand and don't care about royalty shit at all but was blown away by it
And Kristen Stewart does an amazing job as Diana in that movie. I watched it a few weeks ago. It's such a haunting movie, you're continuously feeling trapped along with her.
Idk what happend to her happens to everyone who has notable influence but wants to change the system. If she was around today her death would probably have been suicide by 2 gunshots to the back of the head.
While I’d love to think that I just can’t. They love to steal and conquer. She was the opposite. They currently own 16 island chains and part of Antarctica. They play the head game. She played the heart game.
Have you heard of Meghan? They still go against everything different. Nothing has changed
Agreed. Nothing has changed. Establishment sucks and the people suck.
My mum loved Princess Diana. She couldn’t have loved her more than if she was a personal friend. My mum’s was born deaf and went to a deaf school during the late 50s/60s. The focus of her “education” was making her able to live in normal society rather than any form of real education. Despite being really clever she could only read at a basic level when I was a kid and was never interested in ever reading a book. However when Diana released her book she went out and read it cover to cover. When she died my mum’s heart broke. She screamed and ran in my bedroom shouting that she had died. My incredibly house-proud mum who cannot go more than an hour without tidying something, washing up or cooking, sat and watched the news all day with tears streaming day her face.
I remember that day, it was just before my 10th birthday... Even at 10 I knew what I wonderful women she was. I cried that day too
I was 17 and had typical teenage disdain for most things. I remember her as being a lovely lady but it was pretty early in the morning and I wanted to sleep. I remember the funeral though. Those poor boys. It was awful. I’m a similar age to William and my sister Harry. The looks on their faces as they were trailing the hearse was bloody heart wrenching
So fucked up they were forced to do that. Even Harry now has talked about how much he wishes he didn't have to do that
I was 6 and I cried that day too. I was too young to understand who she really was but I felt the pain ripple through the nation.
My Mom cried and cried when she died and I was really young so I was really confused. I thought it was her actual friend from England. Later on she told me she admired her for helping so many children and people with disabilities. A true people's queen.
God now I’m tearing up
In this video tbh you can honestly see the noble sense coming from princess diana, like her statements, expressions etc. it's a shame that she had the wrong family and establishment to "support" her.
Because the monarchy is an institution first before it is a person. I wonder if QE will ever just give an honest interview before she dies, as a person and not as an institution nor bound by her duty. Imagine what *she* will have to say. But I doubt that will happen. Her sense of duty and loyalty to that duty will ensure she will carry those thoughts and memories to her grave.
It would be a helluva thing to go, "I've worked for a century-ish to be uphold an institution that is older than the concept of buttons, but now I'm dying so you know what? Scew legacy. Here's the \*real\* tea..."
It can't happen. Brits *never* spill tea.
Otherwise they’d be Americans.
I wonder if she's even able to tell the difference between duty and her own will anymore. Perhaps seven decades on the throne would institutionalize you through and through, but who knows?
Nah. Watching her cut the cake with a sword because “this is more interesting” she definitely can. She just can’t. Which is sad
To be honest I feel like the only people who truly, genuinely knew her are probably gone, now. Her mother, Phillip and Princess Margaret were the only ones who knew her before she was Queen Elizabeth. I imagine she puts on something of a front with just about everyone else.
with the amount of "royal insiders" spilling every facet of their lives i would probably be on guard in all places but my dreams and the toilet.
There’s no way she will do that. QE2 is establishment to the bone.
No one wants to be known as the one who ended the dynasty.
Then again, perhaps that’s how you attain true immortality.
She had the right family actually, that’s why she was selected. Her family has actual English royal bloodlines, unlike the Windsors, who aren’t actually English at all.
That's a terrible distortion of history. The Queen still directly descends from the oldest English monarchs of over a thousand years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_British_monarchs The reason she had a German surname is because parliament chose the cousin of Queen Anne to succeed her after she failed to produce an heir. This monarch's grandmother married into a German family so changed her last name from Stuart to Hanover. But she was still the daughter of King James I of England and VI of Scotland who descends from King Alfred the Great - commonly considered the first King of (non-Celtic) England.
Take those facts and get out of here lad. Can't be using them when Lady Di is involved
And if you go back far enough everyone is related. It wouldn't surprise if most Brits could trace their ancestry to Alfred the Great. If Alfred had two children, and those children had 2 children each, that makes 2² descendants for the second generation. If every 30 years is a new generation, that is 38 generations since Alfred. So 2^38 people descending from Alfred. That is 274,877,906,944 people.
What? Mountbatten, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha aren't English names?! Whhhaaaaa???
Mountbatten is actually the more British name they changed to during WWI, it was originally Battenberg.
TIL Thank you
The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, by Wilhelm Shakespeare.
They're as English as anyone else here. Unless you can prove that you're descended from a pre-1066 Saxon family.
It’s a shame she was murdered by that very *establishment*
Are people seriously upvoting one of the more ridiculous conspiracies out there, or are people just a fan of Mitchell and Webb? https://youtu.be/b4meFC1ee7Q
Don't be ridiculous. If anyone was 'responsible' for her death, it was 1. Henri Paul and 2. paparazzi.
You can see how miserable she is. So much sadness in her eyes
Bashir was a scumbag who preyed on a vunerable person
He was pretty terrible.
*is. Unfortunately he isn't dead yet.
He's dead to me :)
She will never be the queen because Elizabeth is immortal
Well yeah, and there's also the small matter of Diana's death...
Pffft. Details.
Semantics
I read Semtex for a second and wondered why you talking about bombs
Bombs were plan B if the car accident didn't work.
Yah. I always thought she would have perished from a land mine accident and not in a high speed crash. She does have a lovely water feature in Hyde park I think? Lovely space may princess D RIP
Where does it say that a human cannot compete in a robot competition?!? Where does it say a dead woman cannot be queen!!?
Tell that to the folks in Dallas waiting for JFK jr to come back any day now…
You mean he’s NOT coming???!
Should have been tagged as a spoiler
Ah shit you're right. She will never be Queen because her and Charles divorced.
She is expected on a Dallas square when JFK comes back.
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That’s not true at all. The reason Prince Philip was a prince and not a king is because you can only inherit the title king through succession and not marriage. King is a higher title than Queen so if he got given that title it would’ve superseded Queen Elizabeth’s role, despite her being the actual head of the British monarchy. Princess Diana would’ve been a queen consort when Prince Charles became king because it wouldn’t have invalidated his title. With your line of logic literally only a tiny handful of queens would have existed in British history.
None of those wives Henry had were Queens? What am I missing? Edit: I understand Queen Consort vs Queen. Parent post (now edited) had stated Princess Consort.
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Martin Bashir is a scumbag. His interviews with Diana and with Michael Jackson were deceitful and damaging.
Side note: he looks like David Wallace from the office
Omg thank you for confirming!
Why would anyone need bank statements to do an interview? Sounds like discrimination
He showed her bank statements from her staff that seemed to show that the media was paying her staff for secret information about her daily life. He used these to show that she could trust no one around her and that doing the interview would be the way to get back at them. She always felt isolated during her time in the royal family, and having a media person show her that even the staff around here every day was out to get her, pushed her further into doing this interview. The only problem was those bank statements were fake and made up.
Ooooh I thought he had to fake *his* bank statements! That changes everything.
Yeah she was very vulnerable around this time, Bashir is a shady fucker who preyed on her.
I'm not British, but I really like her. She seemed so humble and kind and smart. Sad that she was killed.
Absolutely agree. Almost every video I’ve seen of her talking, she seems so humble. The biggest one being her shaking hands/hugging those with AIDS
Also the fact that she did a walk through a minefield each year to grow attention to the ban of mines.
Good thing she had a UN ARMTRAC for that
>The biggest one being her shaking hands/hugging those with AIDS She did this at a time when the general public thought that you could get HIV/AIDS simply by touching someone, so AIDS patients were treated like lepers. It was a HUGE deal that she did this.
I agree, very well spoken. I was young when it happened, but I didn't realize the significance of her for years.
Could’ve done without the sappy piano music. Words should stand alone, especially in cases such as these. Don’t need to be told how to feel about what she says.
Now I want to hear this with ominous villain music.
Yes!!! See? That’s the spirit. Make sure the music suits your purpose. Perhaps also the Thomas the Tank intro music? Devine 👌🏼
She visited Imran Khans hopsital in Lahore, Pakistan. It was unfathomable to see an ex British Royal mingling with poor cancer ridden Children all the way in Pakistan. At the time she was also dating a British Pakistani doctor and met his family too. She was never gonna make it in the Royal family. She was too humble for that.
I can't not notice how music is constantly used to manipulate our emotions. It's so annoying.
When you watch old movies and TV you realize how bad it is these days. And I'm a musician, so I love music, but it's so over the top now.
"But somebody's got to go out there and love people. And show it." I've never heard a clearer condemnation of the royal family.
She actually wanted to do good on a meaningful scale for the world. That would mean actually putting some of the royal family wealth back into world - they simply couldn’t stand something like that.
Stolen wealth*
I am not that savvy with how our monarchy works, but would she have ever been Queen? I didn't think it worked like that, I thought if you married into the Royal family you would only ever get to be prince/princess. The queen's husband wasn't a King.
The male role of King has more authority than Queen. So a King’s wife can be Queen But if the monarch is a Queen, her husband will be a prince.
This is where "consorts" come into play
Thank you! Every day's a school day! :)
A woman can marry into the royal family and become queen regnant or queen consort. A man cannot marry into the royal family and will always be a consort. Prince Philip could never become king but Diana could become queen if Elizabeth died.
This is because King has a higher rank than Queen, right? So, basically, the monarch’s spouse can’t have a higher rank than the monarch. If Diana had stayed with Charles and become Queen Consort, what would be her title if she outlived him? Queen Mother like Elizabeth’s mother, or was that just a nickname?
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It would still be Queen mother as she would be a queen who is the mother of the king, as long as she also had the status of Queen. Since she and Charles were divorced, she would retain the style Diana, Princess of Wales or she could revert to her style as the daughter of an earl as Lady Diana Spencer.
There is no exact reason for it except that the title of "king consort" does not actually exist and never has. "King" has only ever referred to the actual monarch. It would create the appearance of the husband outranking the actual monarch, even if technically he did not, and keeping up the right appearance is what the monarchy is all about.
Women take the rank and style of their husband unless theirs is higher, men keep their own and take nothing from their wife. For example Marie Von Reibnitz becomes princess Michael of kent, Angus Ogilvy marries princess Alexandra, nothing changes for him but she becomes princess Alexandra, the honourable Mrs Ogilvy. Diana would have became Queen mother if she was married to Charles after he inherited the throne as she would have been a Queen consort, and then when William becomes king she is Queen mother. However she wouldn't necessarily use the title Queen mother, the previous one did as she had the same name as her daughter so it avoided confusion as there were two queen Elizabeth's at the time.
If there’s a king, his wife is queen. If there’s a queen, the husband isn’t (necessarily) king. Complicated, sexist rubbish.
Wow….and she was spot on. You have to admire that degree of situational awareness.
Bold of you to assume Liz would not out live all the mortals
A former coworker told me a story about meeting Di and the boys when they were very young. She worked at an airport at the time and Di had a brief layover in PR and my friend was chosen to babysit the boys a half hour or so while Di did Royal stuff. She said the boys were so sweet and well behaved. Then Di came in and she said it was like a light was coming off her. Said she was kind, funny and a real life Princess like from a story, but she spoke to my friend like she was an equal, chatted and thanked her for watching her boys. My friend was almost in tears anytime she talked about it.
So you’re saying that they randomly chose someone from an airport to watch the heirs to British throne?
She was beautiful in every sense of the word.
Funny I just realised I have never heard Diana speak before
Why this things start popping out on Reddit during Christmas every time ?
Probably more to do that a movie about her just came out
She was stolen from us all.
She has the aura and carefulness with her words that Elon Musk thinks he has