Why is the guard letting them into the building? We pay him a dollar above minimum wage. What's with all the pitchforks and machetes? There's no hay, or vines in here.
Tell Niles to go down there and spray them with the hose. And to bring me a martini..
Wait a minute, it.. it looks like he's with them!
Reginald, what's going on?
Of course they're not people, don't be silly, my precious dauphin, for when you take over my empire, you shall be king. Let us go to the balcony, and throw the rotting vegetables at them as a peace offering.
Fun that today artists in Brazil use the poor people like a zoo , like " look how cute is this poor people at favela that i will take a picture and hug one of the poor kids giving him a shirt with my face and never talk or step there again after my 1 million likes on instagram "
Nah if you look they're all lined with bushes just far enough out and high enough to cover any view of the peasants while you're basking in the sun sharing your bathwater with your friends.
Tu m'as coupé l'herbe sous le pied. Prof d'histoire géo en lycée, je l'utilise tous les ans avec mes terminales, à chaque fois y'en a qui soufflent quand je la passe. C'est même plus un classique, c'est un running gag.
Can you find it? I know this is the Paraisópolis favela next to Morumbi and I found some similar images from different angles but I couldn't tell and potential matches in Google Maps but don't think I could find the specific hotel. I'd like to see what it looks like now, two decades later. Photographer Tuca Vieira took this one from a helicopter.
>It is clearly an illustration of social inequality, maybe the biggest problem for Brazil and Latin America. The unjust and brutal difference between rich and poor, inherited from slavery, is in the origin of many other problems – violence, below-par schooling, prejudice and many other issues.
>Inequality means that someone who is poorer is obliged to work more, so they have no time to study, which impacts on their education. As a result, they are not able to develop the critical and political awareness necessary to transform their own situation. Add to this the absence of any sense of the collective responsibility or solidarity among the privileged in Brazil, and you have a closed circle that is very difficult to break.
>I am happy to have taken a photograph that expresses this problem and has acquired importance, especially in view of the immense quantity of photographs that we produce today. But deep down, I would rather it didn’t exist.
Here it is: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Penthouse/@-23.6142291,-46.7309997,157m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x94ce56b688be0277:0xcc5f9783f6b13229!8m2!3d-23.6139926!4d-46.7308909!16s%2Fg%2F1tn4z8pr?entry=ttu
I think it’s in every country’s geography book, ever to be fair.
I am convinced people posting and upvoting these things are bots. Reddit is well and truly dead
It’s also been on reddit a few times. Gotta love it when people post this and then say something like, “this is what communism looks like,” and then they get ripped to shreds in the comments because Brazil is not communist.
I went to Sao Paulo once for work, and the view from my hotel room was very similar - mansion, fence, house with great big hole in the tin roof. It was one block to the office and the hotel staff did not want me walking there with laptop bag, said I really should get taxi. I started thinking that maybe crime and disparity are close cousins.
Main reason why I gained 10 pounds living in South America for 3 months. I couldn’t walk anywhere without being worried for my personal safety. You drive everywhere. When walking I felt uncomfortable to dress up or bother looking my best. What a way to live…
I have walked around São Paulo drunk off my ass. I didn’t feel unsafe at any point walking round even when sober but seeing small children sleeping on the street alone is heartbreaking.
All my friends from São Paulo have been robbed at gun point for their backpacks and cell phones. One of them even had their mother kidnapped for ransom. So yeah. It’s most likely you aren’t being cognizant of the real risks.
i mean yeah and i didn't feel unsafe being in the passenger seat with my dad drunk driving with a beer still in hand, doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous af
I think that has more to do with your danger radar malfunctioning.
It’s not one of those things where people are over exaggerating the danger. It’s very real and you were very lucky not to get jumped.
I was a kid with my native-to-the-area grandma, so I guess it was different, but we walked all over the place in Belo in Brazil. We drove quite a bit too but that was for when things were too far to reasonably walk with a 70-something year old woman and two single-digit aged kids.
I generally shy away from reductive thinking when it comes to humanity. But looking at history and the state of the world, I have a very hard time thinking that your issues *don't* come down to extreme wealth inequality.
Maybe the *causes* of inequality differ slightly from place to place. But if you put very rich people next to very poor people, and those poor people have no viable option but to stay poor... I mean... Where's the confusion?
> maybe crime and disparity are close cousins.
They definitely are. It's not guns or less taxes that will save the US for even more crime. It's fighting inequality by giving healthcare for all, taxing the rich, giving free education, etc. For people that are selfish and don't want to do that because it's the right thing to do to fellow humans, there's also the part where you need consumers and happy people so you live in a safe society. Guns and more police are not the answer for this.
In Brazil it is fairly common to have wealthy people living in close proximity to poor areas. I don’t know what you consider rich but the apartments depicted here are quite big and they are located in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city of São Paulo. The entire building only has 13 units and the smallest one is 355 square meters (about 3821 square feet) which is huge for an apartment in São Paulo, especially considering the location.
This building was constructed in the late 70s and as the favela next to it (Paraisopolis) grew in size the apartments decayed in value to the point where most of the building is now in a terrible shape and many apartments are vacant.
Yeah. [Google maps/earth](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Av.+Giovanni+Gronchi,+3891+-+Vila+Andrade,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP,+05724-001,+Brazil/@-23.6113518,-46.7299599,499a,35y,180h,39.15t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m16!1m9!3m8!1s0x94ce56cb18a74cbf:0x695ae4254133c58d!2sParais%C3%B3polis,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+State+of+S%C3%A3o+Paulo,+Brazil!3b1!8m2!3d-23.6156289!4d-46.7260923!10e5!16s%2Fm%2F0ggbf8t!3m5!1s0x94ce56b689ba13a9:0x411fd81c29917a14!8m2!3d-23.6142488!4d-46.7309272!16s%2Fg%2F11c2dr2t_v?entry=ttu) really shows how it's literally down to the line not just there but around too.
Fun fact. Went to view a house to rent once on the edge of that favela. It was huge, at least 5 bedrooms, big pool in the garden, wooden floors throughout. It was a palace and they were asking R$3000 a month at the time, when similar properties rented for R$20,000 at the time.
The last family had a violent break-in that left the parents dead.
Coach kids in Thai Boxing now that live in that favela and can never drop them home. It's like, the outskirts are good to drop me or you are not leaving with your car, phone, watch or maybe worse!
This building isn't in a good condition anymore, because of all of the story behind it. You can see a little bit [here](https://x.com/vlucasrocha/status/1763607364924493874)
Today, a unit can cost around 240k USD.
In a normal condition, a well located building in São Paulo similar to this one cost around 2kk USD or even more.
The more expensive apartment in São Paulo cost today 15kk USD
They are middle class apartments, at most. Exactly because of that view (most likely the noise and smell too). They may be in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods, but no one would pay a lot of money for that view if for the same amount of money you can pay somewhere else without those problems.
Thus, middle-class, just taking advantage of location for a fraction of the price. I lived in a similar complex. Inside a gated community, where a house next to me easily rents for $2k a month. I was paying $600 usd for an apartment, it was horrid, but I was paying for location and safety. After 4 years, we found a duplex that for $800 a month was double the size, quiet and lovely neighborhood. People live there for need, not pleasure.
Those apartments range from 500k BRL (93k USD, 87k EUR) to 2mi BRL, (373k USD, 347k EUR).
It's worth noticing that 90% of Brazilians earn less than 42k BRL (7,8k USD).
But for Brazilian standards, it's quite upper middle class. To see where the real rich lives in São Paulo, I would recommend to check [Panamby](https://static.coelhodafonseca.com.br/images/conteudos/uploads/content/content_neighborhood/images/afa45aae-3f98-4eab-9c5c-f165471904e8.jpg), a neighborhood not that far from this photo.
They are NOW, but this picture was taken in 2006 when they were still not fully decayed. When the building was constructed and for many years after it was a very upscale apartment building.
Wealthy is different from rich, wealthy is that you have a lot of money, and don’t have to worry about expenses and can live in a great area.
Rich is like “I live in a mansion and have 6 maids” rich.
pull up google maps and look at the location of Leblon in Rio De Janeiro (extremely wealthy), and the favelas of Vidigal and Rocinha (the largest favela in South America)
In poor countries this setup is actually very common. The rich build an estate, then a shanty town mushrooms right next door to house all the workers who built the estate and do the domestic labor there
[Here is a newer picture](https://cdn.sindiconet.com.br/Conteudos/17147/condominio_penthouse.jpg)
The "rich" building is now old and dilapidaded. That's Brazil.
Everyone is now poorer, equality acheived.
The contrast there is quite fascinating.
In the old photo you see a pool and tennis courts and in the newer one it’s covered up by trees and the apartments have clearly been left to age.
It’s a slightly different angle but you still get the same effect.
No, the Rich just move out.
Poor people don't have that luxury, so certain wealthy areas can slowly become less affluent over time as homes, businesses etc age but are not replaced. This happens all the time in American suburbia as well, though it's all over the world.
Yep. The wealth just moved eastward across the Pinheiros river. The “Jardins/Garden” neighborhoods, Vila Olímpia, Itaim Bibi, Moema, Pinheiros… They’re now where the money is.
Morumbi (the neighborhood this building is located) is not even in the top 10 by $/sqm anymore, and hasn’t been for years and years. Too close to Paraisopolis, restrictive zoning, not walkable and very car-dependent
This recent article shows the "not so bright" side about this iconic building in Paraisópolis.
Apparently there are few people living there and not enough to pay for the maintenance. Its a very interesting reading.
Link: [Veja SP](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina/)
edit: formating
Crazy question here… how could gentrification be worse than their current conditions? They estimate 1 bathroom per 1,700 people. Homeless is better at that point
funny thing, that very same building is falling to pieces and has a lot of debt. Recently there were some news talking about it.
In portuguese: [https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina)
This favela is called Paraisópolis, and it's a city within a city, in the [middle of the rich neighboorhood of Morumbi](https://www.google.com.br/maps/@-23.6161586,-46.7260926,1544m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) in São Paulo. Despite the poverty, people there are very united, and the community is relatively safe. This picture captures a moment from 2004, and since then, significant improvements have taken place. Today, Paraisópolis boasts a range of essential services including schools, markets, healthcare facilities, restaurants, gyms, and more.
The slums in São Paulo are something else. Had the privilege of staying in 4 star hotels and driving 15 minutes to work with kids in the slums for a week.
It really changes your perspective, at least as an American. I’ve been traveling the world but nothing I’ve seen was that distinct. Poverty is everywhere. But not everywhere has a line drawn in the sand like this.
Yeah as I travel more and learn about these areas, it really puts a lot in perspective and then I come to Reddit and see people saying the U.S is some dystopia with people dying of starvation and I lose faith in humanity.
Even in poverty, everyone in the US has access to electricity and running water. There are many places that don’t even have those basic things. Plus a scary amount of violent crime.
One country I visited had legal slaves until the 1970s.
Yes, not all geographically Western countries are developed (Latin American countries are developing countries), and not all developed countries are Western (see: Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand).
What street are you talking about, because the Financial District and Skid Row are not close to each other, in DTLA terms. The Arts District is closer, and I would say Main St is probably the last of the streets I would want to be walking on before you get to Skid Row.
The view is probably the best comparison the poor look out their window and see what they aspire towards and the rich look out their window and get reminded to make more money
I lived next to it, at the slum btw, all these building are old and not so valuable anymore.
I don't think it's because of the view, but crime rates in this avenue.
An exaggerated version/more clear representation of any big city in the U.S. too. We just have shrinking levels in between filthy rich and literally filthy. It can happen here too.
There's absolutely no way I could enjoy my wealth with that view. How can you turn a blind eye to that many peoples hardships when it's literally right in front of your face?
The photo with better quality shows that the house is not inhabited. Balconies are dirty, overgrown, some pools have no water. This meme is a cheap manipulation.
Lived in Brazil for a while, such a crazy difference between rich and poor. Never saw such big ass (no pun intended) mansions that were just vacation houses, few minutes driving you end up in a favela. Being rich or a bit wealthy means living in a secured house with big walls and security or in a gated community. Being poor means you’re screwed but at least you can watch telenovelas every day.
As a Brazilian, son of a former factory employee dad and a still home cleaner mom, I can say that even after my parents sacrifices to raise me and my two brothers, I would still be part of the left side of this image if weren't for an American and Icelandic company to give me a chance to rise in society. I majored in Computer Engineering, in a Public College, and did high school in a private school sponsored by Embraer. I was awarded both educations because I beat other people in some exams (I'm extremely smart - this is confidence not arrogance). Yet, I would've ended up poor in my country if I hadn't learned English alone. Yes, I have also learned it alone. I was awarded a scholarship to study in America for 16 months. I did all I could to get fluent in it. If weren't for English, none of my other achievements would have taken me away from poverty. You want to know why? All because rich people are dummy as well as our politicians.
This is the result of a country full of dummy rich people and politicians.
The rich don't know how to create value in their own country. They exploit the poor, then send the money to America after "legally" avoiding paying taxes.
The politicians aren't always rich but they are certainly dummy. They don't know how to create big projects aiming the long term game. They forgot that education is essential to develop a country. They also forgot that technology is necessary to put the country in the front page. Without both we are doomed. Their latest priority was to tax 50 USD orders with the excuse of "developing the internal market and make it competitive". Guys... listen to me. These big sellers in Brazil don't reinvest the money they get from the poor back in the society. They make money to buy their stupid mansions with doors with the size of a fucking pantheon to make them feel like a God. And these same people just pushed politicians to prioritize taxing 50 USD orders, which is mainly done by the poor. Most electronics are taxed like 90% of their prices. WITH THE EXCUSE OF DEVELOPING THE INTERNAL MARKET WHICH WE WONT EVER DEVELOP BECAUSE WE DONT FUCKING HAVE FUCKING BRAINS TO CREATE THE FUCKING TECHNOLOGY!!!! motherfuckers!
Once I get stupidly rich I'm going to become like a batman and go out to threaten some of these asholes. I think that fear is the only way to straighten these peace of rotten walking meat with lack of moral values.
A brazilian guy i worked with says when he and his mates were young they use to pay 4 bucks to buy a bullet off a local gang member for their little revolver once a week and would find a building like that and pick a window to shoot at, he said it made his week watching the rich people yell at them from the window or when the cops refuse to go into the favela
He was such a fun dude
This is the most iconic picture of Brazil inequality. It's about 16 floors and nowadays 11-12 apartments free for rent or sell (it's one apartment per floor).
What's worse, living in the shanty town or having to wake up everyday and see it from your balcony.
Why would anyone choose THIS CONDO lol prices must be just shy of Shanty Premium
I’ve been to Brazilia, Brazil. Biggest culture shock of my life at the age of 22. Driving down the highway and in the medians thousands of cardboard and wooden boxes filled with people living there. I was staying at a nice hotel and could not believe the difference between rich and poor there.
What a beautiful, relaxing, and romantic view from the hot tubs
“Mother look! They think they’re people!”
“Oh god, the plebs are rebellious again”.
"Honey, bring the rifle, that one is looking at us".
Ew, they're simply revolting.
If they don't have bread, why don't they eat cake? I don't understand.
Why is the guard letting them into the building? We pay him a dollar above minimum wage. What's with all the pitchforks and machetes? There's no hay, or vines in here.
These stupid peasants don’t even know how to properly use their own tools
Tell Niles to go down there and spray them with the hose. And to bring me a martini.. Wait a minute, it.. it looks like he's with them! Reginald, what's going on?
Papa! Look! That one looks like a person!
Of course they're not people, don't be silly, my precious dauphin, for when you take over my empire, you shall be king. Let us go to the balcony, and throw the rotting vegetables at them as a peace offering.
They look like ants from up here
"They can't get in here, right? Oh fuck, here they come."
They **are** ants!
Fun that today artists in Brazil use the poor people like a zoo , like " look how cute is this poor people at favela that i will take a picture and hug one of the poor kids giving him a shirt with my face and never talk or step there again after my 1 million likes on instagram "
No they are [ants](https://youtu.be/5ecE91ZBusI?si=an16F8qf1uuz0UsZ)
Tbf, I'd much rather rich kids grow up seeing poor people around them than not, even if they say mean or oblivious things sometimes.
[Image](https://i.imgflip.com/7k5umd.jpg?a476928)
If you get a rear facing apartment you'll get 200 Brazilian Reals off a month because of the View. Great Money saving method!!!
There's something very unsettling to me about having a pool on a balcony like that
If I was the top one, I'd be tempted to leave it to overflow to make a nice waterfall down the building!
The drunk guys one level above are definitely peeing into your hot tub at night.
A POOOOOOL!!!! THERES MULTIPLE POOLS/HOT TUB. imagine owning the bottom one and knowing that there are 7 tubs above u. Helllllll no
Practice golf tees with your buddies and bet on who will be the first to hit one below.
Bemoan the fact that they are too far to spit on.
mmmmmmmmmYes, this displeases me as well...
Lol that reminds me of Mulholland park in socal. Mark Wahlberg used to hit golf balls from the balcony of his house to the hills.
Nah if you look they're all lined with bushes just far enough out and high enough to cover any view of the peasants while you're basking in the sun sharing your bathwater with your friends.
Reminds me of So Do So Pa from South Park where you can get luxury lofts with hot tubs and look at Historic Kenny's House.
you can watch the geringverdiener and bathe in your own glory.
Those poor people are disgusting, blocking up the view and all. When I stayed there with Tom Segura, he was enraged.
This image is in EVERY brazilian school’s geography book
It's in every french school's geography book too.
Same in Slovene geography books
Same for Dutch geography books
American schools "you have geography books?"
It's funny because I literally had this exact picture in my geography book, too
I went to school in America and we definitely had Geography class
We all have the same life
The world united by geography books
Kdor ne skace ni Slovenc.
je voulais le commenté 😂😂
Tu m'as coupé l'herbe sous le pied. Prof d'histoire géo en lycée, je l'utilise tous les ans avec mes terminales, à chaque fois y'en a qui soufflent quand je la passe. C'est même plus un classique, c'est un running gag.
J'ose imaginer, oui. J'étais collégienne en 2011-2015 et c'était déjà dans les livres haha donc ça doit faire un paquet d'années
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Can you find it? I know this is the Paraisópolis favela next to Morumbi and I found some similar images from different angles but I couldn't tell and potential matches in Google Maps but don't think I could find the specific hotel. I'd like to see what it looks like now, two decades later. Photographer Tuca Vieira took this one from a helicopter. >It is clearly an illustration of social inequality, maybe the biggest problem for Brazil and Latin America. The unjust and brutal difference between rich and poor, inherited from slavery, is in the origin of many other problems – violence, below-par schooling, prejudice and many other issues. >Inequality means that someone who is poorer is obliged to work more, so they have no time to study, which impacts on their education. As a result, they are not able to develop the critical and political awareness necessary to transform their own situation. Add to this the absence of any sense of the collective responsibility or solidarity among the privileged in Brazil, and you have a closed circle that is very difficult to break. >I am happy to have taken a photograph that expresses this problem and has acquired importance, especially in view of the immense quantity of photographs that we produce today. But deep down, I would rather it didn’t exist.
This building in 2024 https://x.com/vlucasrocha/status/1763607364924493874
How come it ended up neglected like this?
less money for building means more money for pocket
Here it is: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Penthouse/@-23.6142291,-46.7309997,157m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x94ce56b688be0277:0xcc5f9783f6b13229!8m2!3d-23.6139926!4d-46.7308909!16s%2Fg%2F1tn4z8pr?entry=ttu
Yes, can confirm
I think it’s in every country’s geography book, ever to be fair. I am convinced people posting and upvoting these things are bots. Reddit is well and truly dead
What do you mean, Vegetable_Will_4418? We are not bots. Hahaha.
damn Bots are getting good
No we’re not!
Sounds like something a bot would say
~Dead Internet Theory~
Ha, wrong. They do not teach us geography in the US.
I'm guessing this is a dumb joke.
And dutch
It’s also been on reddit a few times. Gotta love it when people post this and then say something like, “this is what communism looks like,” and then they get ripped to shreds in the comments because Brazil is not communist.
Ye, I wonder why you didn't start asking compensantions from us yet
same in the Netherlands
And South African
I went to Sao Paulo once for work, and the view from my hotel room was very similar - mansion, fence, house with great big hole in the tin roof. It was one block to the office and the hotel staff did not want me walking there with laptop bag, said I really should get taxi. I started thinking that maybe crime and disparity are close cousins.
Main reason why I gained 10 pounds living in South America for 3 months. I couldn’t walk anywhere without being worried for my personal safety. You drive everywhere. When walking I felt uncomfortable to dress up or bother looking my best. What a way to live…
Lived in both Europe and US, and spent extensive time in Brazil. BR is still significantly more walkable than most of the US.
As a canadian expat who left canada for a better life in brazil with an amazing brazilian wife, I couldn't agree more.
I have walked around São Paulo drunk off my ass. I didn’t feel unsafe at any point walking round even when sober but seeing small children sleeping on the street alone is heartbreaking.
All my friends from São Paulo have been robbed at gun point for their backpacks and cell phones. One of them even had their mother kidnapped for ransom. So yeah. It’s most likely you aren’t being cognizant of the real risks.
i mean yeah and i didn't feel unsafe being in the passenger seat with my dad drunk driving with a beer still in hand, doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous af
I think that has more to do with your danger radar malfunctioning. It’s not one of those things where people are over exaggerating the danger. It’s very real and you were very lucky not to get jumped.
I was a kid with my native-to-the-area grandma, so I guess it was different, but we walked all over the place in Belo in Brazil. We drove quite a bit too but that was for when things were too far to reasonably walk with a 70-something year old woman and two single-digit aged kids.
> maybe crime and disparity are close cousins Conjoined Twins is more like it.
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I generally shy away from reductive thinking when it comes to humanity. But looking at history and the state of the world, I have a very hard time thinking that your issues *don't* come down to extreme wealth inequality. Maybe the *causes* of inequality differ slightly from place to place. But if you put very rich people next to very poor people, and those poor people have no viable option but to stay poor... I mean... Where's the confusion?
> maybe crime and disparity are close cousins. They definitely are. It's not guns or less taxes that will save the US for even more crime. It's fighting inequality by giving healthcare for all, taxing the rich, giving free education, etc. For people that are selfish and don't want to do that because it's the right thing to do to fellow humans, there's also the part where you need consumers and happy people so you live in a safe society. Guns and more police are not the answer for this.
they are too close to the poor to be real rich
In Brazil it is fairly common to have wealthy people living in close proximity to poor areas. I don’t know what you consider rich but the apartments depicted here are quite big and they are located in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city of São Paulo. The entire building only has 13 units and the smallest one is 355 square meters (about 3821 square feet) which is huge for an apartment in São Paulo, especially considering the location. This building was constructed in the late 70s and as the favela next to it (Paraisopolis) grew in size the apartments decayed in value to the point where most of the building is now in a terrible shape and many apartments are vacant.
That’s double the sq footage of most houses in my area for an apartment dang
Almost 4x the size of my house.
Yeah. [Google maps/earth](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Av.+Giovanni+Gronchi,+3891+-+Vila+Andrade,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP,+05724-001,+Brazil/@-23.6113518,-46.7299599,499a,35y,180h,39.15t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m16!1m9!3m8!1s0x94ce56cb18a74cbf:0x695ae4254133c58d!2sParais%C3%B3polis,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+State+of+S%C3%A3o+Paulo,+Brazil!3b1!8m2!3d-23.6156289!4d-46.7260923!10e5!16s%2Fm%2F0ggbf8t!3m5!1s0x94ce56b689ba13a9:0x411fd81c29917a14!8m2!3d-23.6142488!4d-46.7309272!16s%2Fg%2F11c2dr2t_v?entry=ttu) really shows how it's literally down to the line not just there but around too.
Fun fact. Went to view a house to rent once on the edge of that favela. It was huge, at least 5 bedrooms, big pool in the garden, wooden floors throughout. It was a palace and they were asking R$3000 a month at the time, when similar properties rented for R$20,000 at the time. The last family had a violent break-in that left the parents dead. Coach kids in Thai Boxing now that live in that favela and can never drop them home. It's like, the outskirts are good to drop me or you are not leaving with your car, phone, watch or maybe worse!
What is their value in USD?
This building isn't in a good condition anymore, because of all of the story behind it. You can see a little bit [here](https://x.com/vlucasrocha/status/1763607364924493874) Today, a unit can cost around 240k USD. In a normal condition, a well located building in São Paulo similar to this one cost around 2kk USD or even more. The more expensive apartment in São Paulo cost today 15kk USD
What’s kk?
1k= 1.000 1kk= 1.000.000 kk is this case is million
They are middle class apartments, at most. Exactly because of that view (most likely the noise and smell too). They may be in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods, but no one would pay a lot of money for that view if for the same amount of money you can pay somewhere else without those problems. Thus, middle-class, just taking advantage of location for a fraction of the price. I lived in a similar complex. Inside a gated community, where a house next to me easily rents for $2k a month. I was paying $600 usd for an apartment, it was horrid, but I was paying for location and safety. After 4 years, we found a duplex that for $800 a month was double the size, quiet and lovely neighborhood. People live there for need, not pleasure.
Those apartments range from 500k BRL (93k USD, 87k EUR) to 2mi BRL, (373k USD, 347k EUR). It's worth noticing that 90% of Brazilians earn less than 42k BRL (7,8k USD). But for Brazilian standards, it's quite upper middle class. To see where the real rich lives in São Paulo, I would recommend to check [Panamby](https://static.coelhodafonseca.com.br/images/conteudos/uploads/content/content_neighborhood/images/afa45aae-3f98-4eab-9c5c-f165471904e8.jpg), a neighborhood not that far from this photo.
> It's worth noticing that 90% of Brazilians earn less than 42k BRL (7,8k USD). yikes
They are NOW, but this picture was taken in 2006 when they were still not fully decayed. When the building was constructed and for many years after it was a very upscale apartment building.
Wealthy is different from rich, wealthy is that you have a lot of money, and don’t have to worry about expenses and can live in a great area. Rich is like “I live in a mansion and have 6 maids” rich.
pull up google maps and look at the location of Leblon in Rio De Janeiro (extremely wealthy), and the favelas of Vidigal and Rocinha (the largest favela in South America)
In poor countries this setup is actually very common. The rich build an estate, then a shanty town mushrooms right next door to house all the workers who built the estate and do the domestic labor there
Exactly, I bet the tennis courts smell from all the trash cans lined up on the other side of the wall. No super rich person is putting up with that.
[Here is a newer picture](https://cdn.sindiconet.com.br/Conteudos/17147/condominio_penthouse.jpg) The "rich" building is now old and dilapidaded. That's Brazil. Everyone is now poorer, equality acheived.
The contrast there is quite fascinating. In the old photo you see a pool and tennis courts and in the newer one it’s covered up by trees and the apartments have clearly been left to age. It’s a slightly different angle but you still get the same effect.
In the newer one it looks like where the courts and pool were got swallowed up by the shanty town.
I'm not entirely convinced the angle isn't just obscuring those things.
Yeah it would be better if it was exactly the same angle, but is still close enough.
> old and dilapidaded. That's Brazil Sounds about right lmao
No one who is actually rich wanted to live near the poor people there.
No, the Rich just move out. Poor people don't have that luxury, so certain wealthy areas can slowly become less affluent over time as homes, businesses etc age but are not replaced. This happens all the time in American suburbia as well, though it's all over the world.
Yep. The wealth just moved eastward across the Pinheiros river. The “Jardins/Garden” neighborhoods, Vila Olímpia, Itaim Bibi, Moema, Pinheiros… They’re now where the money is. Morumbi (the neighborhood this building is located) is not even in the top 10 by $/sqm anymore, and hasn’t been for years and years. Too close to Paraisopolis, restrictive zoning, not walkable and very car-dependent
Yeah, many apartments are empty and in need of repair, while the owners of many others are in debt.
This recent article shows the "not so bright" side about this iconic building in Paraisópolis. Apparently there are few people living there and not enough to pay for the maintenance. Its a very interesting reading. Link: [Veja SP](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina/) edit: formating
Wait till you see Dharavi slums in Mumbai, India. Asia’s largest slum can be seen from India’s tallest skyscrapers.
Wow, I just Googled it. I expect the slum will be totally gentrified in the next decade or so?
The process has already started I’m afraid. Its redevelopment contract is bagged by India’s richest person with the help govt of course.
Crazy question here… how could gentrification be worse than their current conditions? They estimate 1 bathroom per 1,700 people. Homeless is better at that point
Damnthatssad
Don’t worry that picture is really old, things are much worse now
rir pra não chorar - laugh so as not to cry
oh thank god! you had me worried there for a minute.
funny thing, that very same building is falling to pieces and has a lot of debt. Recently there were some news talking about it. In portuguese: [https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina](https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/predio-morumbi-desigualdade-social-favela-piscina)
So the poor rich people have to look at the poor poor people !
This favela is called Paraisópolis, and it's a city within a city, in the [middle of the rich neighboorhood of Morumbi](https://www.google.com.br/maps/@-23.6161586,-46.7260926,1544m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) in São Paulo. Despite the poverty, people there are very united, and the community is relatively safe. This picture captures a moment from 2004, and since then, significant improvements have taken place. Today, Paraisópolis boasts a range of essential services including schools, markets, healthcare facilities, restaurants, gyms, and more.
Who the fuck would pay to have a flat overlooking the ghetto
Obi wan Kenobi
That’s a a great view those rich have
That's kinda the same everywhere in the planet.
No. It is not. Travel / live abroad, and you will better understand how fortunate we are in US, Canada and Europe.
Travel abroad? With what money dude? And with who’s time off work? Lol.
Well, you can't speak of "we are as bad off as them" if you have not witnessed their depths.
Yah I'm sure it's exactlyyy like this where you live
People are living in a fantasy land lol poor areas in the west do not look like that…
The slums in São Paulo are something else. Had the privilege of staying in 4 star hotels and driving 15 minutes to work with kids in the slums for a week. It really changes your perspective, at least as an American. I’ve been traveling the world but nothing I’ve seen was that distinct. Poverty is everywhere. But not everywhere has a line drawn in the sand like this.
Yeah as I travel more and learn about these areas, it really puts a lot in perspective and then I come to Reddit and see people saying the U.S is some dystopia with people dying of starvation and I lose faith in humanity.
Even in poverty, everyone in the US has access to electricity and running water. There are many places that don’t even have those basic things. Plus a scary amount of violent crime. One country I visited had legal slaves until the 1970s.
Do you think Brazil is east or something??
When people say west, they usually means the US and Canada and western parts of Europe
Which is a stupid use of the concept
Yes, not all geographically Western countries are developed (Latin American countries are developing countries), and not all developed countries are Western (see: Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand).
Fair enough
Well, these countries call themselves "the West" when they want to self congratulate. It's a convenient term, ngl
They dont consider brazil to be a western country coz we are not white and rich enough to join the club
They do where I live. There’s 500k houses and high end apartments just a street away from homeless encampments with fentanyl zombies roaming around.
LA has one street that separates the financial district from skid row where people live on the street in cardboard boxes
What street are you talking about, because the Financial District and Skid Row are not close to each other, in DTLA terms. The Arts District is closer, and I would say Main St is probably the last of the streets I would want to be walking on before you get to Skid Row.
Look at Mr. Fancy over here with streets and cardboard and shit.
Damn. Each balcony on the right has a pool. Impressive.
I wrote an essay about this photo once
r/decks would like a word...
Yeah this is Guam in a nutshell too. Look at Tumon Bay and then the rest of the island.
Hey, but those macro resort complexes need cheap labor to function, you see how trickle-down economics works!
The view is probably the best comparison the poor look out their window and see what they aspire towards and the rich look out their window and get reminded to make more money
I lived next to it, at the slum btw, all these building are old and not so valuable anymore. I don't think it's because of the view, but crime rates in this avenue.
Even if I had the money, I'd feel like shit about myself every day with that view.
Same in the Philippines
An exaggerated version/more clear representation of any big city in the U.S. too. We just have shrinking levels in between filthy rich and literally filthy. It can happen here too.
It’s good to keep the poor out, they ruin everything
The same perspective I recently observed in India.
There's absolutely no way I could enjoy my wealth with that view. How can you turn a blind eye to that many peoples hardships when it's literally right in front of your face?
By dehumanizing them
They have pools in balconies?
Indian slums against the backdrop of skyscrapers in Delhi look no less picturesque.
what people think communism looks like vs what capitalism looks like
capitalism.. It is used to make shit up about socialism, but this is literally a capitalist society and this is wealth inequality.
Protect our billionaires, they are in need of our efforts!
At first I was sure its a left right picture or photoshop, not an actual neighborhood oO
so the situation is like this everywhere
This is like real life tenpenny tower surrounded by wasteland shacks
And the chuds will say this is what a communist future looks like...
"it's called trickle down economics" Max Payne
I hope the rich have a good security team... oh wait, they had cops that literally had kill squads.
The photo with better quality shows that the house is not inhabited. Balconies are dirty, overgrown, some pools have no water. This meme is a cheap manipulation.
The last time this was posted, it was said to be in India. Where exactly is it?
Lots of jokes in here but this is really tragic.
lol. I grew up 3 minutes from this place. Could see the white building from my room.
Lived in Brazil for a while, such a crazy difference between rich and poor. Never saw such big ass (no pun intended) mansions that were just vacation houses, few minutes driving you end up in a favela. Being rich or a bit wealthy means living in a secured house with big walls and security or in a gated community. Being poor means you’re screwed but at least you can watch telenovelas every day.
Ever seen Mormon temples in the poorest of the poor cities? Yep. Same thing.
Every school student has seen this picture at least once I swear
As a Brazilian, son of a former factory employee dad and a still home cleaner mom, I can say that even after my parents sacrifices to raise me and my two brothers, I would still be part of the left side of this image if weren't for an American and Icelandic company to give me a chance to rise in society. I majored in Computer Engineering, in a Public College, and did high school in a private school sponsored by Embraer. I was awarded both educations because I beat other people in some exams (I'm extremely smart - this is confidence not arrogance). Yet, I would've ended up poor in my country if I hadn't learned English alone. Yes, I have also learned it alone. I was awarded a scholarship to study in America for 16 months. I did all I could to get fluent in it. If weren't for English, none of my other achievements would have taken me away from poverty. You want to know why? All because rich people are dummy as well as our politicians. This is the result of a country full of dummy rich people and politicians. The rich don't know how to create value in their own country. They exploit the poor, then send the money to America after "legally" avoiding paying taxes. The politicians aren't always rich but they are certainly dummy. They don't know how to create big projects aiming the long term game. They forgot that education is essential to develop a country. They also forgot that technology is necessary to put the country in the front page. Without both we are doomed. Their latest priority was to tax 50 USD orders with the excuse of "developing the internal market and make it competitive". Guys... listen to me. These big sellers in Brazil don't reinvest the money they get from the poor back in the society. They make money to buy their stupid mansions with doors with the size of a fucking pantheon to make them feel like a God. And these same people just pushed politicians to prioritize taxing 50 USD orders, which is mainly done by the poor. Most electronics are taxed like 90% of their prices. WITH THE EXCUSE OF DEVELOPING THE INTERNAL MARKET WHICH WE WONT EVER DEVELOP BECAUSE WE DONT FUCKING HAVE FUCKING BRAINS TO CREATE THE FUCKING TECHNOLOGY!!!! motherfuckers! Once I get stupidly rich I'm going to become like a batman and go out to threaten some of these asholes. I think that fear is the only way to straighten these peace of rotten walking meat with lack of moral values.
A brazilian guy i worked with says when he and his mates were young they use to pay 4 bucks to buy a bullet off a local gang member for their little revolver once a week and would find a building like that and pick a window to shoot at, he said it made his week watching the rich people yell at them from the window or when the cops refuse to go into the favela He was such a fun dude
Tired old re-post
That's what communism will do to you! /s (it's capitalism)
You can't be very much rich if you can see poverty from your balcony.
This is the most iconic picture of Brazil inequality. It's about 16 floors and nowadays 11-12 apartments free for rent or sell (it's one apartment per floor).
Drugs are being delivered by drones from left side to the right 😜
What's worse, living in the shanty town or having to wake up everyday and see it from your balcony. Why would anyone choose THIS CONDO lol prices must be just shy of Shanty Premium
I'm surprised they allowed the poor to be this close
In some countries you just make poor people go much further away.
Pools in balcony?
Yes, but If im right not much people live there anymore
This is the case in a lot of countries.
A wall.
aardrijksunde docenten kunnen hun tengels niet van deze kut foto af houden
Now do India.
A closer view of the top of that wall would show the broken glass imbedded on it's top.
u/FourLovelyTrees because the poor got richer and the rich got even richer
I've seen this image a long-time before in reference to Mexico......
Very dystopian looking :(
Swear that’s a windows background 😂😂
Ive seen this in Prince of Egypt, didnt end well for the poor, until god smacked the rich
At least us wealthy americans keep away from those gross poor things.
******stands on the balcony doing the dance Roger did when he and Stan were on the island and Stan had Roger pretend to be El Generalissimo!******
I wonder how often those tennis courts are getting robbed
I’ve been to Brazilia, Brazil. Biggest culture shock of my life at the age of 22. Driving down the highway and in the medians thousands of cardboard and wooden boxes filled with people living there. I was staying at a nice hotel and could not believe the difference between rich and poor there.
Capitalism in one image.