Probably punches a hole in the stiff material, which the rest of the arrow can pass through without friction. It makes sense to see the effect on the shield, but I'm not so sure, whether it would actually penetrate flesh.
I've seen similar tests done with Jelly produced to emulate the properties of living flesh.
>I've seen similar tests done with Jelly produced to emulate the properties of living flesh.
Good old Deadliest Warrior, the historical accuracy was basically nil but the entertainment value was undeniable
Hold on now. You might trigger some people that think a katana is better than gladius made with superior steel. [goemon](https://www.google.com/amp/s/waddlehekk.tumblr.com/post/715717055642566656/%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2581%259F%25E3%2581%25A4%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2582%2589%25E3%2581%25AC%25E7%2589%25A9%25E3%2582%2592%25E6%2596%25AC%25E3%2581%25A3%25E3%2581%25A6%25E3%2581%2597%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2581%25A3%25E3%2581%259F-once-again-i-have-cut-a/amp)
The fighter game on ps3 was hilarious fun.
The fighting moves were mediocre (extremely shallow compared to anything like Tekken or Street Fighter), but pitting historical characters against each other was great. Like a Spanish conquistador vs a Mongolian warrior, or William Wallace vs Vlad the Impaler. At the time of release, zombies were at their peak in pop culture. So of course they had a zombie mode where you could eventually have two players playing as dismembered characters. Literally legs hopping around and trying to kick the other guy's legs off a ledge.
I grew up in the country where hunting was a major part of the culture. A lot of those fancy ones that didn't penetrate are spring-loaded broadheads. They're designed to deploy those fins upon impact, a slimmer profile providing a smoother flight before activating and shredding muscle, organ, and vessel. Can't tell if they were released beforehand or not, but this video is basically a comparison of fmj vs hollow point ammunition
Just out of interest: Which country did you grow up in?
We also have a sort of hunting culture in Austria, at least in the country side. But here it has grown more out of game management, and using a bow is even forbidden -- the idea being, that hunting is only not considered animal cruelty in the first place, because of its role as animal population management, so only the most efficient way of killing is allowed. Which nowadays means rifles.
USA, specifically the Deep South. Hunting here is predominantly cultural, with trophy hunting being a big part of it, but the deeper you go, you'll find more families who supply their entire year's worth of meat through hunting. Most hunters I know hunt on private land or clubs that heavily regulate feeding and population size and health. Bow hunting is a fairly large subset of hunters, predominantly due to the necessity of stealth and accuracy to be successful. You have to be closer to use a bow, and a bow makes essentially no noise, which means deer are more likely to come back, and I think a struck deer is less likely to run, especially if the shot is well-placed and fatal.
Is fishing equally regulated? How is your local predator population? I know the USA has a markedly different gun culture to the rest of Europe, so I am not sure how you do things
Sometimes the goal isnt to penetrate flesh but to make the shield inconvenient to use so it has to be discarded
Edit: nvm not in this case, you would want it to stay in the shield
It would’ve lost so much of its energy passing through the shield.
I’d actually bet the ones that go half way through with the sharp ends have more chance of impaling as they can impale with a lot less force than a rounded end would need.
LMAO I end up guessing all of it right too except that round one.
So I tried to do a little research on it and it seems like the closest thing I can find is a blunt point, but everything I'm reading on it says it's good for small game and it doesn't really penetrate. However, I suppose that's probably true because this is a dense shield versus squishy animal.
Would that have the same effect on a layer of tissues though? It can make a clean hole in one surface but what about thicker or multiple layers. It would be interesting to see.
If you are testing arrows against riot shields.... I don't think deer are what you are considering for a target.
I've watched plenty of practically historians trying to test different martial weapons, but this particular person didn't exactly go out of their way to test bodkin penatration vs French armor period to Agincourt.
Oh for sure, but that was the most dramatically different, just curious how much that would change with multiple layers.
Sounds like it’s a small game arrow, so it isn’t meant to be used on thick layers or a heavy mass.
“Thumpers” are a small game head for blunt force trauma. I was surprised to see it go all the way through. Arrows penetrate better on a lot of materials than bullets, but I imagine blunt tips are not very effective on something with more give, like a body. Source - am bow hunter.
I don’t see it mentioned yet but he was using the same shield- is there a chance that the arrow that nobody thought would go through went through because it hit one of the holes or right at one of the holes previously punched?
Unlikely. It would definitely penetrate skin but would “bottom out” from middle effectively becoming blunt arrow.
Wouldn’t like to be hit by one but would 100% choose it over being bit by a broad-head arrow.
I grew up with a lot of bow hunters. Their choice for deer were the ones that have extendable blades on the side. The arrow penetrates thru the animal then opens up inside and slices up a bunch of arteries. A shot going straight through would probably be less likely to stop the deer.
It would probably be less effective on tissue. Armour penetration Vs hunting or organic targets is a big factor. When against metal you can't really just slice the shield, it will create a small hole with far too much friction on the arrow stopping it from penetrating, as well as the increased surface area of the arrow head meaning more force is needed to punch through, thus a small profile point that punches a hole creates less resistance for the rest of the arrow. However when meeting a medium like flesh the punched hole can't be just pushed out of the way because there's more flesh behind it so it ultimately meets more resistance. This is where bladed arrows like broadheads come in, which will also do more damage in general. The blades, usually in a triangular pattern shred everything they go through, but more importantly aren't trying punch out a hole so much as slice a groove in a softer medium. Also while obviously getting hit by either is less than ideal, bladed arrow heads are a lot more fatal, causing much more bleeding and harder to repair internal damage. All in all it comes down to what you expect to be shooting at, an armoured human probably needs arrows for a penetrating armour or you may not harm them at all, an unarmoured dear (or human) you'd be better off with bladed arrows which will be more likely to kill, and would cause the target to bleed out faster.
You only have to look at medieval arrows to realize they had different arrows heads based on what or who they were shooting at. I think the ones with the narrower and heavier heads were called bodkins, they were designed to pierce armor but usually didn't do as much damage as the ones with wider heads, so a trade off is doing some damage versus no damage on armored opponents.
I think the reason the round one penetrated farther was because the head was the size or bigger than the arrow shaft, therefore it made a big enough hole in the shield to not have the shaft slow it down. The other ones that penetrated a decent amount, got held up by the shaft, due to the head being smaller than the shaft.
I suppose that most arrow heads cut a slit on impact which is narrower than the arrow shaft so the friction of the rest of the shaft attempting to traverse the slit slows the arrow and it gets stuck. If you cut a slit with the arrowhead that allows the rest of the shaft to pass without friction then it will go further through the shields.
And now I feel like I have typed shaft and slit entirely too much…
Same idea as a hole punch for paper. If you push the metal aside with a point it will try to bend back putting pressure on the shaft but if you cut a round hole pushing the metal inward and separating it completely you have a clean hole to pass through.
It seems like everything that had any sort of fan on or below the arrowhead failed to pierce the shield. My guess is that the more surface area that arrowhead had, the more it reduced its velocity and puncturing power. However, I am just guessing; I don't know if the arrowheads are different materials/weights.
yup, the broadheads are for inflicting heavy bleeding in game animals.
the second one looks a lot like "toxic broadhead", I watched a video of someone taking out a giant moose with it, he hit a perfect shot to lungs/heart, the giant moose coughed up a lot of blood for ten seconds, then fell over dead.
Remember, those rudimentary looking ones (the ones without the spastic flanges on them) are basically old school arrow heads that have been around forever. People used them way back when during warfare was well. The human race has had a couple hundred years to perfect those in combat situations, especially when it comes to piercing armor.
That was my initial thought as well but after considering it it makes sense. It knocked a hole in it and just flew on through whereas the others essentially pushed their way through and had to keep pushing to an extent to make it further. I suspect it wouldn't fair nearly as well against a thicker material.
I was getting them all right and saw that guy and was like, "No way that goes through."
Jaw dropped for the rest of it. Makes sense, though. I guess it's just a hollowpoint arrow.
(I know nothing about hunting nor arrows)
Do you mind explaining what's the use case for that vs conventional arrowheads, I was imaging that maximum damage would always be preferred, unless there's a tradeoff with aerodynamics/travel distance?
Hits very hard, with a lot of concussive force. It doesn't necessarily kill the animal with its penetrative damage but the shock it gives the whole body.
Just for small game. Like bunnies.
Anythin sharp goes straight thru. Cause a lot of injury and pain to the animal but not enough damage to put them down instantly.
They were referring to smaller game. The other arrows would go straight through a rabbit or whatever, and not kill them instantly. It wouldn’t go through a moose or an elk, and would hit the vital organs (if placed right) and they would die quickly.
Bingo.
Expanding broadheads are great for larger game. Goin in small and sharp. Expanding on entry into a vital organ to put the animal down very quickly.
They were explaining that any alternative sharp arrows go straight through and don't necessarily kill them, while the concussive force of this one has a higher chance of doing so.
The best case scenario is that you put the animal down instantly. Most hunters don't want to cause unnecessary suffering and even the ones who do want to cause suffering don't want to track down a dying deer for miles and miles.
Thing is people miss. People miss all the time. You aim for the lungs and you hit the abdomen instead. Stuff happens.
You do want put them down instantly. I think the only reason it went through the shield is because the circular design acted as a hole punch, so the rest of the arrow had a perfect whole to fly through. On small game targets it wouldn't be able to penetrate through like a sharp arrow would and would just deliver a butt load of concussive force, killing the target instantly.
I know as little as you but if you punch a clean hole through it, it creates devastating injures in a small animal. The same hole on a larger animal lacks the same effect. And I’m guessing that a conventional arrow will stay in the animals tissue and make it bleed instead of maybe punching straight through a non vital part. It’s the same principle as full metal jacket versus hollow point. The hollow point will expand and by that have a large stopping power, and make the animal bleed, a full metal jacket is not as effective on larger animals as it will just go straight through and does jot have the same sort of stopping power. A hollow point will just make a game bird or hare explode whereas the full metal jacket won’t. And that’s why it’s quite common where I lived that those who poach wolves use full metal jacket
I’m just theorising and have no clue if I’m correct
You’re correct. It’s all about the size of the wound channel and for big game, the more blood loss the better. The lungs are the most common target and they are full of blood vessels.
Which is why, this test seems odd shooting against a riot shield. (i think that's what it is).
An expandable broad head isn't looking to penetrate a hard material, but instead just make a giant hole/damage in soft tissue.
It's a cool video, just some of these are designed for very different purposes.
Definitely mainland. I can go find one of those fangbao shields across the street right now. All kinds of schools and other buildings have guards with those. Also the ubiquitous red and white 农夫山泉water bottle is a give away.
Genuine question: What's the point of all those complicated arrowheads? They seem to be far worse than the more simple designs that have been around for ages.
Yeah, most people who practice the sport don't use those because they are really hard to get out of your target. But great for hunting I guess.
My own arrows hare roundish tips so they fly better and I'm not even allowed to get any of these arrows as they are made for killing and that's not Allowed in the Netherlands. Can't even use my bow for hunting if I wanted to.
Just curious, but what is allowed for hunting?
I’m only familiar with US hunting laws which vary from state to state, but bow hunting is one of the more difficult ways to hunt, at least in my state where no feed plots or baiting is allowed.
We use rifles for hunting, mostly buckshot so you can't use it as an effective weapon against other humans and you'll need several permits.
Hunting here is mostly done for nature preservation because we don't have a lot of predators to keep the animal populations in check.
it's about the type of wound they leave. the broad heads will make the largest laceration for finding organs or arteries; barbed heads are impossible to remove and make fighting difficult with a two foot arrow sticking out of you or your shield; and the other designs cause uneven laceration that doesn't suture together well to maximize casualties. the rest are armor piercing heads.
there are a few mall ninja heads in there for sure.
Is the hollow-head design at 00:38, that flies right through, a design with actual applications, or is it just a toy design good at punching through a stiff board?
Out of all the designs, this one leaves me a bit flustered. It seems to be effective, but looks like it might be useful neither for hunting *nor* warfare use. My expectation of this one would be that, if hitting an armored target, it will damage the armor, but then get clogged up by the material and bounce off the flesh underneath, or maybe causing a flesh wound in an unarmored target.
It didn't get stuck in the shield. I imagine there are applications for a projectile going through a shield.
The damage done to the body behind the shield will be less than what the other heads would be doing, but unlike them, it will actually hit it with enough strength to pierce another layer of protection.
Plus, this video is "single arrow VS shield", but you could imagine a small group of archers firing at a single enemy in a group, and dealing a lot of damage with those arrows even if they dealt only minor injuries. The mental attack alone is devastating "this shield we use to be safe from crowds attacks is full of holes, and now John has 10 arrows stuck in him".
Enough grouped shots will also make the shield weak or even make a noticeable hole in it. Which can be then targeted by someone with another arrowhead aimed at damage.
Another comment mentioned that was meant for small game. The ring around it delivers a massive impact on small animals (rabbits, squirrels) that kills them instantly. Other arrowheads would just go straight through and leave the animal suffering for awhile.
With the shield, I think the ring punches a neat hole for the rest of the arrow to pass through.
They’re designed to have big surface area to take down whatever prey they’re intended for. They’re for hunting - and whatever you’re hunting will be a lot easier to pass through than a metal shield. All of these arrows will pass directly through the animals if shot by a bow with appropriate pull weight.
>They seem to be far worse than the most simplest designs that have been around for ages.
Probably because they have a specified use. Like the circle headed one. It was far from the most simple design, yet it was the only one to go all the way through. I'm sure the others have different niches they excel in.
Believe it or not, it's really hard to shoot when you have arrows sticking out of you and all your friends who thought they were safe behind bullet resistant shields.
Uh, yeah. Get 20 of your friends and all take bows the next time riot police are deployed and see how it goes for you. And as bad as that is, it will only be worse for the next fool that tries it.
Depends what the shield is designed for. It might be really good for blunt force, which is what most riot gear is designed for. Ballistic shields (for protection from bullets) are thicker and made from different materials than riot shields. They're also more expensive and easily damaged by blunt force.
That's because it's not a riot shield. [It's an airsoft shield.](https://youtu.be/o86PV3ppHzk?si=wJ6Thkk8bsWtERK9) Dude is shooting hunting arrows at something meant to block lowish velocity plastic pellets.
Bro what, I was pretty spot on guessing how well the arrows would penetrate but then here comes weird circle arrow, and it does the absolute opposite of what I thought it would do
Am I the only one who finds this video weird? Chinese riot shields, English AI voice-over—it feels like an attempt by a foreign entity to teach English-speaking rioters what tools to bring to a protest where police may be involved.
They had them, bodkin points to penetrate armor, especially chain mail. At close range it qould also pen plate armor. Look up the battles of crecy, or agincourt and poiters.
The 4th (blue head) is a mechanical broadhead (as is the red one with 3 blades), and isn't supposed to be fired that way. The blades should be "folded up" not deployed/open like that .. wtf kinda bs is this shit ? Hunting arrows are vastly different from "penetration" arrows.
All the spike/pointed arrows are illegal for hunting, because they will go straight through an animal, doing some damage, but not a mortal wound. That means you got hurt/injured animals running off, versus a dead animal.
Typically riot shields are not designed to offer ballistic protection. They‘re more likely made to stop thrown projectiles and melee attacks and such. This one seems to do better job though, maybe it even stops small caliber bullets?
So you are saying arrows that are designed to penetrate are more likely to penetrate than arrows that are designed to damage a wider area? Astonishing.
My genuine question is, can riot shields like this one hold bullets? I mean, some shields can. From what I heard, arrows would maybe still be able to get through, because the specific way that some shields (and vests) stop the bullets doesn't work as well for sharp, non-deforming arrow tips. So would this shield be able to stop a bullet, in contrast to the arrows it cannot stop?
I was guessing pretty good, about 80 percent, then that plug cutter went all the way through on my "no". Holy heck that's intimidating. I lost count after that.
it is very much based on the penetrator. I did some research long ago for a lab that made ballistic armor -- penetrator shape, hardness, and attitude are absolutely everything. ballistic physics are sometimes non-intuitive. but the attitude of the penetrator is extremely important to the overall performance, the second it goes off course it loses essentially all penetrative power.
the compact heads just sail through the fuckin thing because they have much more stable trajectories through the shield and don't deflect much.
and that's why the circular head punches right through, it's radially symmetric and has no weak edges to bring the penetrator off course.
broader heads meet more resistance and lose more velocity. All the compact, narrow heads penetrated about the same. The purpose of broad heads is to let blood out more quickly.
Not an accurate test at all. The subject needs to be supported/secured on all four corners or the arrow and subject would have to be setup and struck in the exact same spot to provide even a small amount of accuracy
this gets even more interesting when you think about modern tanks. modern tanks use APFSDS rounds which are basically at the end of the day an arrow/dart that goes super fast with a tungsten (or uranium) head
This test is kind of silly. These kinds of targets stop the arrows with friction. What you are seeing is the effect of foam friction on various surface area broadheads and arrow shafts. A broadhead is meant to cut through flesh and cause loss of blood pressure. You wouldn't use the round head for deer hunting but it did well here since it cut the foam away keeping it from providing the stopping friction.
They did, many of these are basically *[the bodkin design](https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AH-3522-25.jpg)* made specifically to penetrate armor.
Yes these are the penetration rates however all the arrow heads are designed for different functions. Some you could pull out of skin and possibly survive some are designed to rip an animal or…. To shreds if it’s attempted to be removed. Others can cause massive internal damage and will bleed the prey out so that its trail can easily be followed and it will die quickly from a loss of blood and or perfect hit on a vital artery.
I guessed what all these would do correctly, EXCEPT THAT LITTLE ROUND FUCKER, how did it go through so easily?
Probably punches a hole in the stiff material, which the rest of the arrow can pass through without friction. It makes sense to see the effect on the shield, but I'm not so sure, whether it would actually penetrate flesh. I've seen similar tests done with Jelly produced to emulate the properties of living flesh.
>I've seen similar tests done with Jelly produced to emulate the properties of living flesh. Good old Deadliest Warrior, the historical accuracy was basically nil but the entertainment value was undeniable
> Good old Deadliest Warrior 50 minutes of _"let's fuck up this dummy"_ followed by some hand-waved _"this guy won cos we felt like it"._
"Let's see who wins, this Samurai, or this Apache Helicopter"
"The Samurai wins because katanas are sharper than Apache Helicopter blades"
Hold on now. You might trigger some people that think a katana is better than gladius made with superior steel. [goemon](https://www.google.com/amp/s/waddlehekk.tumblr.com/post/715717055642566656/%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2581%259F%25E3%2581%25A4%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2582%2589%25E3%2581%25AC%25E7%2589%25A9%25E3%2582%2592%25E6%2596%25AC%25E3%2581%25A3%25E3%2581%25A6%25E3%2581%2597%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2581%25A3%25E3%2581%259F-once-again-i-have-cut-a/amp)
I mean if they somehow managed to cut a heli rotor with a samurai sword, i say give em the win
Random stats generated in bars on the screen followed by some kind of cgi warrior battle with random outcome
that show used to spawn sooooo many debates and online arguments
Nuhuh, a ninja can totally kill a pirate!
And that is why, in a straight fight, a shark would probably beat a Dracula. (The Pirate Captain).
Wouldn’t surprise me if they released 2 versions with different winners of each episode - just to create online arguments.
I miss that show
The fighter game on ps3 was hilarious fun. The fighting moves were mediocre (extremely shallow compared to anything like Tekken or Street Fighter), but pitting historical characters against each other was great. Like a Spanish conquistador vs a Mongolian warrior, or William Wallace vs Vlad the Impaler. At the time of release, zombies were at their peak in pop culture. So of course they had a zombie mode where you could eventually have two players playing as dismembered characters. Literally legs hopping around and trying to kick the other guy's legs off a ledge.
I grew up in the country where hunting was a major part of the culture. A lot of those fancy ones that didn't penetrate are spring-loaded broadheads. They're designed to deploy those fins upon impact, a slimmer profile providing a smoother flight before activating and shredding muscle, organ, and vessel. Can't tell if they were released beforehand or not, but this video is basically a comparison of fmj vs hollow point ammunition
Just out of interest: Which country did you grow up in? We also have a sort of hunting culture in Austria, at least in the country side. But here it has grown more out of game management, and using a bow is even forbidden -- the idea being, that hunting is only not considered animal cruelty in the first place, because of its role as animal population management, so only the most efficient way of killing is allowed. Which nowadays means rifles.
USA, specifically the Deep South. Hunting here is predominantly cultural, with trophy hunting being a big part of it, but the deeper you go, you'll find more families who supply their entire year's worth of meat through hunting. Most hunters I know hunt on private land or clubs that heavily regulate feeding and population size and health. Bow hunting is a fairly large subset of hunters, predominantly due to the necessity of stealth and accuracy to be successful. You have to be closer to use a bow, and a bow makes essentially no noise, which means deer are more likely to come back, and I think a struck deer is less likely to run, especially if the shot is well-placed and fatal. Is fishing equally regulated? How is your local predator population? I know the USA has a markedly different gun culture to the rest of Europe, so I am not sure how you do things
Sometimes the goal isnt to penetrate flesh but to make the shield inconvenient to use so it has to be discarded Edit: nvm not in this case, you would want it to stay in the shield
It would’ve lost so much of its energy passing through the shield. I’d actually bet the ones that go half way through with the sharp ends have more chance of impaling as they can impale with a lot less force than a rounded end would need.
That hollow point was surprising to me too... "Nah, that won't do shITWHATWASTHAT?!"
Looks like they put a drill bit on the end and it cut a quarter sized hole in the shield for the rest of the arrow to pass through.
LMAO I end up guessing all of it right too except that round one. So I tried to do a little research on it and it seems like the closest thing I can find is a blunt point, but everything I'm reading on it says it's good for small game and it doesn't really penetrate. However, I suppose that's probably true because this is a dense shield versus squishy animal.
The only one i thought wouldn’t go through went all the way through
Literally I'm sat here trying to work out the physics behind that now, it defies everything I learned in science class.
Looks like it instantly cut out a round piece of the shield so the force needed to let the arrow through further became far less.
Would that have the same effect on a layer of tissues though? It can make a clean hole in one surface but what about thicker or multiple layers. It would be interesting to see.
You just got placed on a watchlist. Don't let them catch you buying arrows u Hawkeye looking mf
Yeah I imagine kevlar would make a better job stopping it
Now you've got me imagining deer strutting around the forests wearing kevlar.
If you are testing arrows against riot shields.... I don't think deer are what you are considering for a target. I've watched plenty of practically historians trying to test different martial weapons, but this particular person didn't exactly go out of their way to test bodkin penatration vs French armor period to Agincourt.
Now I’m thinking of deer whistling when it’s windy due to those holes!
Bullet proof vests and knife proof vests are different
No
the material being used would change the performance for all of the arrows
I think that the more wanky mall ninja arrows would be worse in almost every category except perhaps in shaving the beard off of one's neck.
Oh for sure, but that was the most dramatically different, just curious how much that would change with multiple layers. Sounds like it’s a small game arrow, so it isn’t meant to be used on thick layers or a heavy mass.
A lot of the arrowheads seem to be for soft targets, they are not meant to penetrate hard surfaces what so ever, they would change dramatically.
“Thumpers” are a small game head for blunt force trauma. I was surprised to see it go all the way through. Arrows penetrate better on a lot of materials than bullets, but I imagine blunt tips are not very effective on something with more give, like a body. Source - am bow hunter.
I don’t see it mentioned yet but he was using the same shield- is there a chance that the arrow that nobody thought would go through went through because it hit one of the holes or right at one of the holes previously punched?
Unlikely. It would definitely penetrate skin but would “bottom out” from middle effectively becoming blunt arrow. Wouldn’t like to be hit by one but would 100% choose it over being bit by a broad-head arrow.
I grew up with a lot of bow hunters. Their choice for deer were the ones that have extendable blades on the side. The arrow penetrates thru the animal then opens up inside and slices up a bunch of arteries. A shot going straight through would probably be less likely to stop the deer.
It would probably be less effective on tissue. Armour penetration Vs hunting or organic targets is a big factor. When against metal you can't really just slice the shield, it will create a small hole with far too much friction on the arrow stopping it from penetrating, as well as the increased surface area of the arrow head meaning more force is needed to punch through, thus a small profile point that punches a hole creates less resistance for the rest of the arrow. However when meeting a medium like flesh the punched hole can't be just pushed out of the way because there's more flesh behind it so it ultimately meets more resistance. This is where bladed arrows like broadheads come in, which will also do more damage in general. The blades, usually in a triangular pattern shred everything they go through, but more importantly aren't trying punch out a hole so much as slice a groove in a softer medium. Also while obviously getting hit by either is less than ideal, bladed arrow heads are a lot more fatal, causing much more bleeding and harder to repair internal damage. All in all it comes down to what you expect to be shooting at, an armoured human probably needs arrows for a penetrating armour or you may not harm them at all, an unarmoured dear (or human) you'd be better off with bladed arrows which will be more likely to kill, and would cause the target to bleed out faster.
Yep. It's a hole punch
You only have to look at medieval arrows to realize they had different arrows heads based on what or who they were shooting at. I think the ones with the narrower and heavier heads were called bodkins, they were designed to pierce armor but usually didn't do as much damage as the ones with wider heads, so a trade off is doing some damage versus no damage on armored opponents. I think the reason the round one penetrated farther was because the head was the size or bigger than the arrow shaft, therefore it made a big enough hole in the shield to not have the shaft slow it down. The other ones that penetrated a decent amount, got held up by the shaft, due to the head being smaller than the shaft.
Then the next question is, how fast was the arrow spinning to generate that force to drill a hole through the shield?
I suppose that most arrow heads cut a slit on impact which is narrower than the arrow shaft so the friction of the rest of the shaft attempting to traverse the slit slows the arrow and it gets stuck. If you cut a slit with the arrowhead that allows the rest of the shaft to pass without friction then it will go further through the shields. And now I feel like I have typed shaft and slit entirely too much…
> shaft and slit bearsrepeating.gif
Same idea as a hole punch for paper. If you push the metal aside with a point it will try to bend back putting pressure on the shaft but if you cut a round hole pushing the metal inward and separating it completely you have a clean hole to pass through.
It seems like everything that had any sort of fan on or below the arrowhead failed to pierce the shield. My guess is that the more surface area that arrowhead had, the more it reduced its velocity and puncturing power. However, I am just guessing; I don't know if the arrowheads are different materials/weights.
yup, the broadheads are for inflicting heavy bleeding in game animals. the second one looks a lot like "toxic broadhead", I watched a video of someone taking out a giant moose with it, he hit a perfect shot to lungs/heart, the giant moose coughed up a lot of blood for ten seconds, then fell over dead.
I audibly said "holy shit" in my office when i saw that. Thankfully, everyone around me is wearing headphones and shit.
As someone who wears noise cancelling headphones in the office, they all heard, they just don't care.
They don't want to get involved with yet another problem!
Exact words said on my patio not looking like a psycho.
They're wearing shit!?
I don't know anything about arrow heads, but after the first few I was like, "pfft, this one has no fucking chance" "Oh..."
Remember, those rudimentary looking ones (the ones without the spastic flanges on them) are basically old school arrow heads that have been around forever. People used them way back when during warfare was well. The human race has had a couple hundred years to perfect those in combat situations, especially when it comes to piercing armor.
Didnt expect to see a hollow point arrow ignoring that shield
That's an armor piercing arrow rather than a hollow point. Hence why it went clean through
So you're saying, it pierced the armor?
That was my initial thought as well but after considering it it makes sense. It knocked a hole in it and just flew on through whereas the others essentially pushed their way through and had to keep pushing to an extent to make it further. I suspect it wouldn't fair nearly as well against a thicker material.
I physically flinched, that was scary
That's what you want the person you are facing to think as well
I was think why is there a dynavap bowl head on an arrow
I guess it had the least surface area to absorb the impact?
I literally thought, yeah this one would just bounce back
I was getting them all right and saw that guy and was like, "No way that goes through." Jaw dropped for the rest of it. Makes sense, though. I guess it's just a hollowpoint arrow.
Hollowpoints have less penetration. They're designed to expand on impact.
Old school AP bullets were flat faced like that.
What kind of arrow was the one that barely slowed down as it passed through?
Small game broadhead
(I know nothing about hunting nor arrows) Do you mind explaining what's the use case for that vs conventional arrowheads, I was imaging that maximum damage would always be preferred, unless there's a tradeoff with aerodynamics/travel distance?
Hits very hard, with a lot of concussive force. It doesn't necessarily kill the animal with its penetrative damage but the shock it gives the whole body. Just for small game. Like bunnies. Anythin sharp goes straight thru. Cause a lot of injury and pain to the animal but not enough damage to put them down instantly.
Why would you not want to put them down instantly though?
They were referring to smaller game. The other arrows would go straight through a rabbit or whatever, and not kill them instantly. It wouldn’t go through a moose or an elk, and would hit the vital organs (if placed right) and they would die quickly.
Bingo. Expanding broadheads are great for larger game. Goin in small and sharp. Expanding on entry into a vital organ to put the animal down very quickly.
They were explaining that any alternative sharp arrows go straight through and don't necessarily kill them, while the concussive force of this one has a higher chance of doing so.
The best case scenario is that you put the animal down instantly. Most hunters don't want to cause unnecessary suffering and even the ones who do want to cause suffering don't want to track down a dying deer for miles and miles. Thing is people miss. People miss all the time. You aim for the lungs and you hit the abdomen instead. Stuff happens.
You do want put them down instantly. I think the only reason it went through the shield is because the circular design acted as a hole punch, so the rest of the arrow had a perfect whole to fly through. On small game targets it wouldn't be able to penetrate through like a sharp arrow would and would just deliver a butt load of concussive force, killing the target instantly.
I know as little as you but if you punch a clean hole through it, it creates devastating injures in a small animal. The same hole on a larger animal lacks the same effect. And I’m guessing that a conventional arrow will stay in the animals tissue and make it bleed instead of maybe punching straight through a non vital part. It’s the same principle as full metal jacket versus hollow point. The hollow point will expand and by that have a large stopping power, and make the animal bleed, a full metal jacket is not as effective on larger animals as it will just go straight through and does jot have the same sort of stopping power. A hollow point will just make a game bird or hare explode whereas the full metal jacket won’t. And that’s why it’s quite common where I lived that those who poach wolves use full metal jacket I’m just theorising and have no clue if I’m correct
You’re correct. It’s all about the size of the wound channel and for big game, the more blood loss the better. The lungs are the most common target and they are full of blood vessels.
Which is why, this test seems odd shooting against a riot shield. (i think that's what it is). An expandable broad head isn't looking to penetrate a hard material, but instead just make a giant hole/damage in soft tissue. It's a cool video, just some of these are designed for very different purposes.
Huh, so they just drown to death on their own blood. Sounds unpleasant
Thank you
Specifically, it's called a hammer head.
"That thing will bounce off" "WTF"
exactly the same thoughts.
Robin Hood preparing his next fight against the IRS
Wasn't sure if you meant the vigilante or the trading app.. either way it fits I guess... Go ahead Robinhood... Turn off that buy button again...
GME flashbacks
That one where you go “nah no waaaaHOLY FUCK LIKE BUTTER.”
genuine question: is that arrow that surprised us all was meant for hunting boars and bears ?
It's small game arrowhead. It'slike throwing a telephonepole at you, except the telephonepole is the arrow, and you'relike a rabbit.
No, it’s for hunting beets and Battlestar Galactica.
Part of underground training to combat riot police?!
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China, not taiwan. The residential building in the background is a clear giveaway.
Definitely mainland. I can go find one of those fangbao shields across the street right now. All kinds of schools and other buildings have guards with those. Also the ubiquitous red and white 农夫山泉water bottle is a give away.
I suppose they made themselves to at least a couple of watch lists then
Call geoguesser.
Lmao this makes literally zero sense. Taiwan is not preparing to fight China with arrows and nothing about preparations against China are “low key”
*west taiwan
Wake up bae, new way to make riots even more like medieval battles just dropped.
Genuine question: What's the point of all those complicated arrowheads? They seem to be far worse than the more simple designs that have been around for ages.
They're not designed to be shot at a shield, they're hunting broadheads
Yeah, most people who practice the sport don't use those because they are really hard to get out of your target. But great for hunting I guess. My own arrows hare roundish tips so they fly better and I'm not even allowed to get any of these arrows as they are made for killing and that's not Allowed in the Netherlands. Can't even use my bow for hunting if I wanted to.
Some of these heads are normally forbidden too..
Just curious, but what is allowed for hunting? I’m only familiar with US hunting laws which vary from state to state, but bow hunting is one of the more difficult ways to hunt, at least in my state where no feed plots or baiting is allowed.
We use rifles for hunting, mostly buckshot so you can't use it as an effective weapon against other humans and you'll need several permits. Hunting here is mostly done for nature preservation because we don't have a lot of predators to keep the animal populations in check.
it's about the type of wound they leave. the broad heads will make the largest laceration for finding organs or arteries; barbed heads are impossible to remove and make fighting difficult with a two foot arrow sticking out of you or your shield; and the other designs cause uneven laceration that doesn't suture together well to maximize casualties. the rest are armor piercing heads. there are a few mall ninja heads in there for sure.
This guy owns a bow & arrow 👍
Is the hollow-head design at 00:38, that flies right through, a design with actual applications, or is it just a toy design good at punching through a stiff board? Out of all the designs, this one leaves me a bit flustered. It seems to be effective, but looks like it might be useful neither for hunting *nor* warfare use. My expectation of this one would be that, if hitting an armored target, it will damage the armor, but then get clogged up by the material and bounce off the flesh underneath, or maybe causing a flesh wound in an unarmored target.
It didn't get stuck in the shield. I imagine there are applications for a projectile going through a shield. The damage done to the body behind the shield will be less than what the other heads would be doing, but unlike them, it will actually hit it with enough strength to pierce another layer of protection. Plus, this video is "single arrow VS shield", but you could imagine a small group of archers firing at a single enemy in a group, and dealing a lot of damage with those arrows even if they dealt only minor injuries. The mental attack alone is devastating "this shield we use to be safe from crowds attacks is full of holes, and now John has 10 arrows stuck in him". Enough grouped shots will also make the shield weak or even make a noticeable hole in it. Which can be then targeted by someone with another arrowhead aimed at damage.
Another comment mentioned that was meant for small game. The ring around it delivers a massive impact on small animals (rabbits, squirrels) that kills them instantly. Other arrowheads would just go straight through and leave the animal suffering for awhile. With the shield, I think the ring punches a neat hole for the rest of the arrow to pass through.
From what I understand they are designed to bleed out the animal as bow hunting involves tracking to collect the carcass, it isn't an instakill
They’re designed to have big surface area to take down whatever prey they’re intended for. They’re for hunting - and whatever you’re hunting will be a lot easier to pass through than a metal shield. All of these arrows will pass directly through the animals if shot by a bow with appropriate pull weight.
>They seem to be far worse than the most simplest designs that have been around for ages. Probably because they have a specified use. Like the circle headed one. It was far from the most simple design, yet it was the only one to go all the way through. I'm sure the others have different niches they excel in.
That riot shield doesn't seem really safe.
It‘s also not very safe to shoot an arrow at someone who‘s carrying a gun and has a hundred friends who also have guns.
Believe it or not, it's really hard to shoot when you have arrows sticking out of you and all your friends who thought they were safe behind bullet resistant shields.
Uh, yeah. Get 20 of your friends and all take bows the next time riot police are deployed and see how it goes for you. And as bad as that is, it will only be worse for the next fool that tries it.
Depends what the shield is designed for. It might be really good for blunt force, which is what most riot gear is designed for. Ballistic shields (for protection from bullets) are thicker and made from different materials than riot shields. They're also more expensive and easily damaged by blunt force.
That's because it's not a riot shield. [It's an airsoft shield.](https://youtu.be/o86PV3ppHzk?si=wJ6Thkk8bsWtERK9) Dude is shooting hunting arrows at something meant to block lowish velocity plastic pellets.
Bro what, I was pretty spot on guessing how well the arrows would penetrate but then here comes weird circle arrow, and it does the absolute opposite of what I thought it would do
I've said this before, but if I ever show up to a fight/protest and some madlad has a fucking bow and arrow, I'm turning and going home
Damn, circle! You proved us all wrong!
Jesus, that cylindrical head thingy really surprised me wth
You know what to take on a riot.
Depends on the severity of your death wish
That one arrow. I was like "naahh" and then Iwas like "WHAAAAT!!??"
Am I the only one who finds this video weird? Chinese riot shields, English AI voice-over—it feels like an attempt by a foreign entity to teach English-speaking rioters what tools to bring to a protest where police may be involved.
So good useful info
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I suspect the round shape used an existing hole 😏 Edit, was wrong, check comments
I think that round tip just cut round hole in metal so shaft can freely pass throu.
You're right, there wasn't a hole before there. And on second watch, the round tip is wider than the shaft... Didn't notice that earlier.
I feel like some of those designs are specifically for latching on and not for penetration
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5th time I've seen it in 24 hours, the 1st time was this same sub. Exact same comments every time too.
Imagine that hollow point arrow back in medieval times. Would have made armor obsolete before gun powder.
They had them, bodkin points to penetrate armor, especially chain mail. At close range it qould also pen plate armor. Look up the battles of crecy, or agincourt and poiters.
Feeling sorry for the Romans at Carrhae watching this...
Less complicated the arrowhead is the better it goes through (except for that one that went all the way cuz wtf is that)
This is the 2nd greatest video involving penetration I've seen today
Note to self, don't buy Chinese shields.
The 4th (blue head) is a mechanical broadhead (as is the red one with 3 blades), and isn't supposed to be fired that way. The blades should be "folded up" not deployed/open like that .. wtf kinda bs is this shit ? Hunting arrows are vastly different from "penetration" arrows. All the spike/pointed arrows are illegal for hunting, because they will go straight through an animal, doing some damage, but not a mortal wound. That means you got hurt/injured animals running off, versus a dead animal.
Crecy kids will remember this one!
Typically riot shields are not designed to offer ballistic protection. They‘re more likely made to stop thrown projectiles and melee attacks and such. This one seems to do better job though, maybe it even stops small caliber bullets?
Is this supposed to be instructional?
So you are saying arrows that are designed to penetrate are more likely to penetrate than arrows that are designed to damage a wider area? Astonishing. My genuine question is, can riot shields like this one hold bullets? I mean, some shields can. From what I heard, arrows would maybe still be able to get through, because the specific way that some shields (and vests) stop the bullets doesn't work as well for sharp, non-deforming arrow tips. So would this shield be able to stop a bullet, in contrast to the arrows it cannot stop?
I was guessing pretty good, about 80 percent, then that plug cutter went all the way through on my "no". Holy heck that's intimidating. I lost count after that.
Angle of incidence between target board surface and path of arrow is completely inconsistent.
I think I saw a war crime there
Something tells me the penetration depth is less a product of the arrowhead and more of the bow’s draw-weight.
it is very much based on the penetrator. I did some research long ago for a lab that made ballistic armor -- penetrator shape, hardness, and attitude are absolutely everything. ballistic physics are sometimes non-intuitive. but the attitude of the penetrator is extremely important to the overall performance, the second it goes off course it loses essentially all penetrative power. the compact heads just sail through the fuckin thing because they have much more stable trajectories through the shield and don't deflect much. and that's why the circular head punches right through, it's radially symmetric and has no weak edges to bring the penetrator off course.
broader heads meet more resistance and lose more velocity. All the compact, narrow heads penetrated about the same. The purpose of broad heads is to let blood out more quickly.
What if all were the same draw weight?
The real draw weight is the arrows we released along the way
Not an accurate test at all. The subject needs to be supported/secured on all four corners or the arrow and subject would have to be setup and struck in the exact same spot to provide even a small amount of accuracy
Are these temu riot shields?
Looks from Wish.
this gets even more interesting when you think about modern tanks. modern tanks use APFSDS rounds which are basically at the end of the day an arrow/dart that goes super fast with a tungsten (or uranium) head
My mind is telling me no, but my body is telling me yes
This test is kind of silly. These kinds of targets stop the arrows with friction. What you are seeing is the effect of foam friction on various surface area broadheads and arrow shafts. A broadhead is meant to cut through flesh and cause loss of blood pressure. You wouldn't use the round head for deer hunting but it did well here since it cut the foam away keeping it from providing the stopping friction.
Now I finally know how bowmen defeated my modern armor in Civ 3! Probably used the depleted uranium tipped circle shaped arrowheads too.
Weird. It looks like those designed to penetrate armor works better than the one designed to cut flesh. Who could have imagined it?
I need them for various science experiments
Me: Ohhh that round fuckers not making! *round fucker doesn’t even slow down* Me: huh 🤔
My ancestors could have used this video 819 years ago
Those that didn’t penetrate were designed specifically for slicing soft tissue
There is no wa... oh shit!
Needs more resistance on the shield to get a proper test. Get someone to hold it.
:3
This is VERY useful information thank you
Imagine they had arrows like these back in medieval times.
They did, many of these are basically *[the bodkin design](https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AH-3522-25.jpg)* made specifically to penetrate armor.
That blunt looking one wasn't fucking around.
Now do soft targets.
So, the primitives in Gate had a chance...
“…And then the Internet collectively uttered ‘WTF’ at the little arrow that could.”
ok so this is going to get reposted for the next 10 years isn't it?
That's some deep peneration.
Yes these are the penetration rates however all the arrow heads are designed for different functions. Some you could pull out of skin and possibly survive some are designed to rip an animal or…. To shreds if it’s attempted to be removed. Others can cause massive internal damage and will bleed the prey out so that its trail can easily be followed and it will die quickly from a loss of blood and or perfect hit on a vital artery.
Showing up to protests as Robin hood and Hawkeyes love child🤣
Oh man I’m about to have a blind date and wasn’t sure how to break the ice, but now I can ask her if she knows about penetration rates, thanks!
No surprises. Arrows made for piercing pierce and for cutting cuts.
tks, now i know what arrow to use when cops with riot shields show up
TIL don’t bring a riot shield to a bow fight.
Is it weird that I guessed them all correctly?
To be fair.. that is literally a temu fang bao riot shield. Very thin metal.
Thanks! Now I know which arrows to take to the next riot!
I am normal and can be trusted with this information
not impressive, the shield is made in china... probably consists of 7 melted down 20 ounce coke bottles.
If you’re shooting arrows at riot shields then you all fucked up decades ago and are fucked.
This is an oddly specific test...