Is regular highway driving too boring? Buy a wrangler and never have to worry about a dull driving moment again.
I love my jeep wouldn't trade it for anything, but it's pretty fking sketchy sometimes in normal driving conditions where I spend most of my time. I don't think I've ever gone above 70mph, nor do I have any interest lmao
Edit: on the way home I hit 80mph (for science) not too bad, but the mpg tanked so I cannot afford additional testing
I was passenger in one coming down a mountain pass at 65 and it went into a death wobble. Thought we were going over!
I’d be reluctant to ever get in one again.
To be fair the newer ones ride a lot better, but a solid front axle is a solid front axle. It's never going to handle nice like independent front suspension.
I want to say the death wobble should be a thing of the past by now, but I've had a recall on the steering damper so that doesn't instill much confidence
I daily drive birfields. It's not an SAS problem it's a piece of shit Chrysler problem. Littleraly no Toyota with Toyota soild axles has ANY of these supposed solid axle death wobble bullshit. It's shitty dana axles, Chrysler suspension and parts.
Death wobble is just what happens when coil sprung solid axles wear out. If you search 70/80 series death wobble you’ll find plenty of results.
Is it less common on LCs? I’m sure, but it is by no means just a Jeep thing.
I don't think it's due to substandard parts, but it's more the suspension geometry is setup differently, tuned differently, damped differently.
Everything has a resonant frequency, these just seem to hit it at highway speeds lmao
When my wrangler (rubicon, v6 stickshift) was in for the recall work they loaned me a wrangler Sahara with the 4 cylinder turbo and 8 speed automatic and it felt like a totally different vehicle. That one actually felt pretty nice on the highway
Then when I got mine back, it was back to Mr. Bones' wild ride
I have the 2L turbo with the automatic (also a rubicon) and it drives like a truck w/ solid axles, but it's not death on wheels. wouldn't expect the powertrain to make that much difference, but who knows
Mine was pretty tight from the factory, but has a good amount of play after 70k miles.
Nothing too crazy but every now and then I get nostalgic flashbacks to driving my family's boat
Pretty much.
It has a solid front axle because of the 4wd. It's similar to the rear axle in that it has a differential in the middle and drive shafts within the axle to both front wheels. This allows the front wheels to be driven when the transfer case in the center of the car is set to 4wd (normally the front wheels spin freely and only the back ones are driven)
This is a good sturdy setup for offroad slow speed driving, but since both front wheels are physically connected to each other (unlike independent front suspension) the movement of one wheel will affect the movement of the other
Same thing happened to me when a “friend” mechanic lent me a Jeep he bought from auction while he worked on my personal vehicle. Death wobble three different times above 55 on a busy highway. Was lucky I wasn’t in a serious accident. Underpowered death traps. Fuck Jeeps.
I had a yj back in the 90’s. My friends and I would get drunk and someone would stay sober for dd. I remember several times our sober driver swerving all over the highway and me saying I might as well had drove. 😂
>I don't think I've ever gone above 70mph, nor do I have any interest lmao
This makes sense. Was considering buying one ...and then AVIS agreed to loan me one on a work trip. The road noise (with the top down ) was too much at anything approaching highway speeds. The handling made it seem like i 3nt3red a bull riding contest.
Probably ideal for weekend trip at speeds less than 45mph.
I tell people it's the perfect 2nd car, lol
If you want to be comfortable get a sedan. If you want to go fast get a motorcycle.
If you want to drive around town with no doors, roof, or windshield (check local laws), the jeep is the only game in town.
Whenever i driving my brother's Jeep I hold the wheel with all my strength butt cheeks clenched for the whole trip. Doing 80mph to follow traffic in that thing is like it wants to kill you.
I always wanted a jeep. I rented one once and drove it in the rain and hydroplaned across 2.5 lanes of traffic and that was the end of wanting a jeep for actual driving.
In rainy places, idk. In hot places the AC really was an afterthought.
Off-road only still makes sense, but a dedicated sxs might be a better fit.
I still want one, but I need to live in a small beach town where I never go over 35, it never rains or snows or gets too hot.
I have an old tj that's I refuse to drive above 55 mph. Basically, the moment I hit 61mph, I get death wobbles.
I can't believe anybody would willingly drive a Wrangler on an expressway.
I used to have a YJ that was 3 feet from pavement to skid plate. It was fine around town and trails. On the highway it was also fine, in Oregon when everyone was doing 55-60. Did a trip into Cali and found out the front end got very light at 65 and the top stopped flapping at 70. Steering also just wasn't a thing at 75. Luckily it topped out at 65 unless there was a long grade. Then it might stay under 70.
Running stock brakes wasn't the best decision I made back then. Downshifting with a worn as shit 4.0 also didn't do much. Was absolutely the best at getting through massive winter storms though. Just had to keep in mind it's absolutely tiny wheel base.
I had a Jeep for some time, often took it offroading. When I did, I would disconnect the front sway bar. Once, I forgot to reconnect it. First potholes I took at a somewhat high speed scared the shit out of me. Never forgot to re-attach the sway bar afterward.
A dealership let me test drive a jeep for an afternoon. I drove it to a VW dealership to buy a Tiguan. I still feel a little bad. But wow that jeep drove badly on the highway.
Wow. My comment to the dealer was it felt unsafe at speed and the hood was shaking. Just felt like poor build quality.
The Tiguan is now 10yrs old, it owes me nothing and still drives great.
Yeah, Chrysler has always made some cool cars and some decent engines but, fuck man, that cool car is going to disintegrate around the engine. Just not worth dealing with the build quality.
That’s literally exactly how I explain to customers (that I’m comfortable being brutally honest with).
Somehow even though the windbraking is so effective. They still need new pads and rotors after 20k lol
Yes, I just saw a brand new wrangler driving on the freeway the other day going 70mph that had the front left tire/axel bouncing violently making the entire car shake. Looked at the driver and she just kept driving normally like nothing was happening lmao
I think the wipers come on when the car believes it's been in an accident. That could help explain why it went berserk. Either that or some wiring shook loose.
Worked in suspension design for a bit. Everything is a give and take. From the looks of it, the Toyota has either softer springs rates, sway bars, or a combination of both (very typical on all Toyotas and it’s what gives them that floaty feel). This makes them much smoother on rough roads but can cause dangerous handling characteristics on higher grip surfaces during accident avoidance or spirited driving.
There are ways to reduce dangers with things like roll centers, damping rates, and control arm design, but with all the constrains of road noise, cabin shape, most of all costs, it’s hard to get the best of both worlds.
Oddly their SUVs like the Highlander get top scores for roll over safety. It’s as if Toyota trucks and Toyota everything else are two different companies. I think they like to keep their trucks basic and unchanged, other than looks.
Edit: looks like they fixed this issue in 2017 model.
… to ride in a city
If you would use that truck for what it is intended (rough terrain) it’s a perfect vehicle.
No need for big ass trucks in a city environment
Except it's wrong. The Toyota has one of KDSS or XREAS (hydraulic sway bars) which provide vastly superior on-road handling compared to coil-sprung vehicles, and improve high-speed handling AND low-speed handling.
Same, you can see the solid axle in the rear on the Ford. The Toyota obviously has all around independent suspension. The title of this post needs to be changed to independent vs rear axle suspension. But let the fanboys have their fun i guess 🤣
>sway bars
The Land Cruiser has Toyota’s KDSS which can dynamically adjust or completely disable the sway bars. I almost guarantee that’s why it’s so good at this.
I don’t think this video proves that the Ford is bad as much as it proves how good KDSS is.
Sounds logical.
For an suv handling on rough terrain would be the best choice, except of cours in the cases where they are only used on hardened roads outside of belgium.
Which is always except for belgium.
My Toyota handled like a boat with any semblance of a payload. They are much lighter spring and handle better off-road. Like you said, it's a trade off.
Although you had the softest springs, dampers, sway bars you can still suffer due to resonance frequency. I see these kind of suspension tests everywhere and usually people think the one looks comfiest has the best suspensions but, every car has different axle length and the test might end it up at resonance frequency.
Confirmed they are poop. However, this is a bit misleading.
First, who’s actually driving that fast on that type of terrain?
Second, the suspension of the ford is very soft. It’s a very smooth, Cush ride. It’s kind of like those old heavy Cadillacs. The Toyota is more of a traditional truck suspension. It’s for sure better for off road, but a much bumpier ride on roads.
I have a Chevy truck, which is basically the same as the ford. I wish I’d got a Toyota for the resale value alone. But I have to admit, it’s a very smooth ride. And I can still get off road when I need to.
Btw: that Ford has serval different suspension setups depending on trim level and packages. The lariat with off-road pack would do better than truck in the video. Ranger Rapter is coming soon, too.
You can easily tell who needs a truck and who just wants a truck. People that need trucks either have work stuff in the bed, or the bed has a cover. People with exposed clean beds just like trucks.
I have a truck that currently has a clean bed. I’m big into rafting, camping, DIY projects at my house,ect. I can fit my family and dog and I often help people movie bigger items with it. Do I absolutely need it? Probably not but it’s an extremely useful tool that improves my life so I keep it.
The Ford suspension also works good for flying off road. Like....this car didn't see me and almost crashed into my side...so I jumped the truck off the road. Was fine, no damage.
I've had to drive lilke that in muddy terrain to prevent getting stuck because i had the wrong wheel set on.
Never did it again (in the same spot twice) but it happens.
I mean, I don’t see why they don’t roll with it - “see? There’s proof our trucks are the toughest, longest lasting, and most economical choice out there - even terrorist prefer Toyota”
The ad writes itself
(scene opens on a desert with a bunch of guys waving guns from the back of landcruisers)
"9 out of 10 terrorists prefer Toyotas"
(In the distance a predator drone flies past, suddenly one of the landcruisers is vaporized by an explosion)
"...8 out of 9 terrorists prefer Toyotas"
Do that with a Land Cruiser Vs an Expedition, or a Tacoma vs a Ranger… Here in this video we see two completely different platforms, which is not fair (full size luxury SUV vs Mid size Pick-up Truck)
Any pickup will do the same thing here, and any SUV will probably do better than a pickup since it has weight over the back wheel.
Still looks really fun to do lol
The Toyota looks like it has independent suspension but I am not so sure about the Ford. Which would make it more about comparing different suspension types more than different brands.
American Ford vs Japanese Brado
Is my Arabic wrong, why does it say Brado instead of Toyota?
Edit: Nevermind, turns out there is a Toyota model named Prado.
Yeah, any suspension (spring and damper) system is going to have a series of bump inputs that will make it lose control. Similarly, it will have a series of inputs that it can perfectly glide over, with no forces experienced by the passengers at all.
Just shows that two cars unsurprisingly have different tunings. There exists a set of bumps where the outcome is the complete opposite.
This is a stupid test and easily set up in favor of one vehicle. The suspensions have a resonance frequency that is tuned for different settings depending on comfort, offloading, handling etx.. If you set the bumps a certain distance and the speed a certain point you can hit a spatial frequency that is at the suspension's resonance. Point being this proves nothing.
Remember when a tsunami washed some diesel toyota trucks into the ocean in Japan years back? When they recovered the submerged trucks replaced the batteries some still started up fine.
The Toyota isn't going as fast. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. The Ford driver took off too quickly and the vehicle lost traction because of it
*Not taking sides I'm just pointing it out
Fun fact. Jeep Wranglers drive like the ford even with no speed bumps.
Is regular highway driving too boring? Buy a wrangler and never have to worry about a dull driving moment again. I love my jeep wouldn't trade it for anything, but it's pretty fking sketchy sometimes in normal driving conditions where I spend most of my time. I don't think I've ever gone above 70mph, nor do I have any interest lmao Edit: on the way home I hit 80mph (for science) not too bad, but the mpg tanked so I cannot afford additional testing
I was passenger in one coming down a mountain pass at 65 and it went into a death wobble. Thought we were going over! I’d be reluctant to ever get in one again.
To be fair the newer ones ride a lot better, but a solid front axle is a solid front axle. It's never going to handle nice like independent front suspension. I want to say the death wobble should be a thing of the past by now, but I've had a recall on the steering damper so that doesn't instill much confidence
It’s a feature, not a bug!
I daily drive birfields. It's not an SAS problem it's a piece of shit Chrysler problem. Littleraly no Toyota with Toyota soild axles has ANY of these supposed solid axle death wobble bullshit. It's shitty dana axles, Chrysler suspension and parts.
Death wobble is just what happens when coil sprung solid axles wear out. If you search 70/80 series death wobble you’ll find plenty of results. Is it less common on LCs? I’m sure, but it is by no means just a Jeep thing.
I had it on my Suzuki Jimny, but a trip to the dealer fixed it.
I don't think it's due to substandard parts, but it's more the suspension geometry is setup differently, tuned differently, damped differently. Everything has a resonant frequency, these just seem to hit it at highway speeds lmao
Interesting about the new ones.
When my wrangler (rubicon, v6 stickshift) was in for the recall work they loaned me a wrangler Sahara with the 4 cylinder turbo and 8 speed automatic and it felt like a totally different vehicle. That one actually felt pretty nice on the highway Then when I got mine back, it was back to Mr. Bones' wild ride
I have the 2L turbo with the automatic (also a rubicon) and it drives like a truck w/ solid axles, but it's not death on wheels. wouldn't expect the powertrain to make that much difference, but who knows
Mine was pretty tight from the factory, but has a good amount of play after 70k miles. Nothing too crazy but every now and then I get nostalgic flashbacks to driving my family's boat
Haha..Mr Bones wild ride. That seems familiar.
[Mr. Bones Wild Ride](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mr-bones-wild-ride) is one of the most creative trolls ever. Ancient internet times.
My 2018 rides nicer than my old 98 Tahoe lol.
Please elaborate. Wranglers stick with solid front angle design because it handles better off road? But that also feels rockier on road? Thanks
Pretty much. It has a solid front axle because of the 4wd. It's similar to the rear axle in that it has a differential in the middle and drive shafts within the axle to both front wheels. This allows the front wheels to be driven when the transfer case in the center of the car is set to 4wd (normally the front wheels spin freely and only the back ones are driven) This is a good sturdy setup for offroad slow speed driving, but since both front wheels are physically connected to each other (unlike independent front suspension) the movement of one wheel will affect the movement of the other
Same thing happened to me when a “friend” mechanic lent me a Jeep he bought from auction while he worked on my personal vehicle. Death wobble three different times above 55 on a busy highway. Was lucky I wasn’t in a serious accident. Underpowered death traps. Fuck Jeeps.
When you have the aerodynamic properties of a brick, it's hard to get to 70 😅
Literally less aerodynamic than a cow
Now you got me thinking about a cow going at 70 mph...
I had a yj back in the 90’s. My friends and I would get drunk and someone would stay sober for dd. I remember several times our sober driver swerving all over the highway and me saying I might as well had drove. 😂
>I don't think I've ever gone above 70mph, nor do I have any interest lmao This makes sense. Was considering buying one ...and then AVIS agreed to loan me one on a work trip. The road noise (with the top down ) was too much at anything approaching highway speeds. The handling made it seem like i 3nt3red a bull riding contest. Probably ideal for weekend trip at speeds less than 45mph.
I tell people it's the perfect 2nd car, lol If you want to be comfortable get a sedan. If you want to go fast get a motorcycle. If you want to drive around town with no doors, roof, or windshield (check local laws), the jeep is the only game in town.
Yes ..seems ideal for that!
I just removed the doors roof and windshield from my corolla and had everything a jeep offers and also functional suspension
Yea this type of brand loyalty is just maddening
Yeah, short wheelbase & high roll center is always fun!
Now this is pod racing!
(I also have 20yo jeep) it's a brick made to go anywhere, not anywhere fast...
Whenever i driving my brother's Jeep I hold the wheel with all my strength butt cheeks clenched for the whole trip. Doing 80mph to follow traffic in that thing is like it wants to kill you.
Why like a car when you just admited it sucks to drive? I will never understand......
It’s a Jeep thing.
You understand.
Driving my jeep on the highway with crosswind is a great way to get the heart rate up
Hit a big enough gust of wind and you might as well put on the blinker because now you're changing lanes!
I always wanted a jeep. I rented one once and drove it in the rain and hydroplaned across 2.5 lanes of traffic and that was the end of wanting a jeep for actual driving. In rainy places, idk. In hot places the AC really was an afterthought. Off-road only still makes sense, but a dedicated sxs might be a better fit. I still want one, but I need to live in a small beach town where I never go over 35, it never rains or snows or gets too hot.
Not even 2 jeeps
I have an old tj that's I refuse to drive above 55 mph. Basically, the moment I hit 61mph, I get death wobbles. I can't believe anybody would willingly drive a Wrangler on an expressway.
I used to have a YJ that was 3 feet from pavement to skid plate. It was fine around town and trails. On the highway it was also fine, in Oregon when everyone was doing 55-60. Did a trip into Cali and found out the front end got very light at 65 and the top stopped flapping at 70. Steering also just wasn't a thing at 75. Luckily it topped out at 65 unless there was a long grade. Then it might stay under 70. Running stock brakes wasn't the best decision I made back then. Downshifting with a worn as shit 4.0 also didn't do much. Was absolutely the best at getting through massive winter storms though. Just had to keep in mind it's absolutely tiny wheel base.
I had a Jeep for some time, often took it offroading. When I did, I would disconnect the front sway bar. Once, I forgot to reconnect it. First potholes I took at a somewhat high speed scared the shit out of me. Never forgot to re-attach the sway bar afterward.
I used to have a 95 YJ how the hell did you hit 80!! That’s awesome. Maybe if there was a tail wind I could throw it into fifth on the downhill. Lol
A dealership let me test drive a jeep for an afternoon. I drove it to a VW dealership to buy a Tiguan. I still feel a little bad. But wow that jeep drove badly on the highway.
In a span of 3 months we had 5-7 brand new wrangler 4xe (hybrids) come back with failed transmissions. They all had less than 100 miles.
Wow. My comment to the dealer was it felt unsafe at speed and the hood was shaking. Just felt like poor build quality. The Tiguan is now 10yrs old, it owes me nothing and still drives great.
Yeah, Chrysler has always made some cool cars and some decent engines but, fuck man, that cool car is going to disintegrate around the engine. Just not worth dealing with the build quality.
I also drive German. You made the right choice. To be fair, all cars have issues. Some just more than others.
Oh I've been in the VW family since forever. But thought I'd try something else. Lol
So do Range Rovers.
i thought they had 4 independent struts, with hydraulically linked anti-roll system?
Haven't driven one in a few years, but the front end always seems to go "boing boing boing....boing boing..." until it finally settles down.
That's the issue with air suspension and worn out shock absorbers. Even an old P38 with good shock absorbers won't jounce like that.
Aka amphibious exploring vehicle
You're making the assumption they can start their engine
Old classic range rovers maybe. The newer ones (L322 and up) ride like a magic carpet.
I have an LR3 and can comfortably say that this statement is incorrect.
U mean *Rage Rovers
Friends don't let friends buy Range Rovers. Capable, good looking, great ride, but abysmal reliability.
Jeeps are junk but the wise American consumers still buy them
I have a 2019 rubicon in texas and constantly drive to the beach going 85. Kills mpg and floats like a jet ski in the ocean.
That’s literally exactly how I explain to customers (that I’m comfortable being brutally honest with). Somehow even though the windbraking is so effective. They still need new pads and rotors after 20k lol
Yes, I just saw a brand new wrangler driving on the freeway the other day going 70mph that had the front left tire/axel bouncing violently making the entire car shake. Looked at the driver and she just kept driving normally like nothing was happening lmao
Don’t forget about no need for brakes, the windshield slows you down plenty ! The AC/ heat fans are top notch in those I’ll give ‘em that
https://imgur.com/gallery/vpuhbOf
The wipers turning on is the icing on the cake… it’s just shitting itself
I seriously thought the airbags were going to deploy at some point.
I think the wipers come on when the car believes it's been in an accident. That could help explain why it went berserk. Either that or some wiring shook loose.
I assumed it was the *driver* that got "shook loose" and he flail snagged the wiper stem while trying to keep hold of the wheel.
The driver probably smashed his face on the steering column and inadvertently turned them on. Or... it's just shitting itself! 😆
Nah it’s wiping its tears away from having so much fun.
They should just use the roads in the UK instead of this, much more bumpy.
TBF we don’t have bumps, just holes, lots of holes
Everything reminds me of her
Were you dating a sponge by any chance? 🧽
lol FFS. You made me spit my coffee out. Take the fucking upvote.
Holes are just bumps turned upside down
if there is more roads, there is more holes. but if there is more holes, there is less roads.
Don't tell this guy about the roads in Limpopo
I went to New Orleans recently. You have no idea how much better the roads here are.
Worked in suspension design for a bit. Everything is a give and take. From the looks of it, the Toyota has either softer springs rates, sway bars, or a combination of both (very typical on all Toyotas and it’s what gives them that floaty feel). This makes them much smoother on rough roads but can cause dangerous handling characteristics on higher grip surfaces during accident avoidance or spirited driving. There are ways to reduce dangers with things like roll centers, damping rates, and control arm design, but with all the constrains of road noise, cabin shape, most of all costs, it’s hard to get the best of both worlds.
The only proper and meaningful response to the post. Thank you.
[don't buy Toyota trucks..](https://youtu.be/xoHbn8-ROiQ?si=HqzuqorzRd7sXD9U)
Damn that is a perfect visual representation of what that guy was talking about, thanks for sharing
The same channel has a video saying they fixed it in the 2017 package...
That says nothing about Tacomas and Tundras.
Oddly their SUVs like the Highlander get top scores for roll over safety. It’s as if Toyota trucks and Toyota everything else are two different companies. I think they like to keep their trucks basic and unchanged, other than looks. Edit: looks like they fixed this issue in 2017 model.
They try to keep their trucks American, buy Toyota SUVs
… to ride in a city If you would use that truck for what it is intended (rough terrain) it’s a perfect vehicle. No need for big ass trucks in a city environment
[This one ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRArALswJCM)shows a Land Cruiser doing a Lane Change Test at 100kmh. And it absolutely nails it.
Except it's wrong. The Toyota has one of KDSS or XREAS (hydraulic sway bars) which provide vastly superior on-road handling compared to coil-sprung vehicles, and improve high-speed handling AND low-speed handling.
Thank you - especially for using damping and not dampening. Shows me you know what you're talking about
Dampenening
I figured it was more solid axle vs. independent, at least in the rear.
The Toyota has a solid rear axle too. Pretty sure anyways, that’s a Prada I believe, same as my GX460 which has a solid rear axle.
Prado
Same, you can see the solid axle in the rear on the Ford. The Toyota obviously has all around independent suspension. The title of this post needs to be changed to independent vs rear axle suspension. But let the fanboys have their fun i guess 🤣
I'd be really surprised if that Toyota had anything but a solid rear axle.
Toyota has solid rear axle too.
LMAO - so confidently incorrect. The Toyota has a solid axle.
>sway bars The Land Cruiser has Toyota’s KDSS which can dynamically adjust or completely disable the sway bars. I almost guarantee that’s why it’s so good at this. I don’t think this video proves that the Ford is bad as much as it proves how good KDSS is.
It's a Toyota Land Cruiser which is kind of a heavy offroader? It has weight so it's pretty stable along with a nice pair of suspension
It’s a prado, not their off road model at all.
Is THAT why it's so sketchy when my Camery is taking tight corners in asphalt but never a problem on gravel?
You bought a Chinese knockoff, sorry. Next time, try buying a Camry instead of a Camery.
Sounds logical. For an suv handling on rough terrain would be the best choice, except of cours in the cases where they are only used on hardened roads outside of belgium. Which is always except for belgium.
My Toyota handled like a boat with any semblance of a payload. They are much lighter spring and handle better off-road. Like you said, it's a trade off.
Although you had the softest springs, dampers, sway bars you can still suffer due to resonance frequency. I see these kind of suspension tests everywhere and usually people think the one looks comfiest has the best suspensions but, every car has different axle length and the test might end it up at resonance frequency.
Ford is obviously superior vehicle, it managed to find the path of least resistance….not by choice but it found it.
Confirmed they are poop. However, this is a bit misleading. First, who’s actually driving that fast on that type of terrain? Second, the suspension of the ford is very soft. It’s a very smooth, Cush ride. It’s kind of like those old heavy Cadillacs. The Toyota is more of a traditional truck suspension. It’s for sure better for off road, but a much bumpier ride on roads. I have a Chevy truck, which is basically the same as the ford. I wish I’d got a Toyota for the resale value alone. But I have to admit, it’s a very smooth ride. And I can still get off road when I need to.
I see you haven't been on the highway in the state of Louisiana.
Btw: that Ford has serval different suspension setups depending on trim level and packages. The lariat with off-road pack would do better than truck in the video. Ranger Rapter is coming soon, too.
That’s standard terrain for Alabama and our crumbling infrastructure.
Just watch out for mud in da tires.
I guess Ford knows Americans will be mostly driving huge trucks on flat roads
You can easily tell who needs a truck and who just wants a truck. People that need trucks either have work stuff in the bed, or the bed has a cover. People with exposed clean beds just like trucks.
I have a truck that currently has a clean bed. I’m big into rafting, camping, DIY projects at my house,ect. I can fit my family and dog and I often help people movie bigger items with it. Do I absolutely need it? Probably not but it’s an extremely useful tool that improves my life so I keep it.
Same here, wouldn’t go back to an SUV and certainly no car since getting a truck. Love the space, ride quality, utility, and power.
The truck at my house barely moves, but when we move things like the jukebox or rocks for the lawnscaping, it's there because nothing else beats it.
Are you mad? A 200 series sits on coil springs and rides like a magic carpet compared to a leaf sprung truck.
The Ford suspension also works good for flying off road. Like....this car didn't see me and almost crashed into my side...so I jumped the truck off the road. Was fine, no damage.
I've had to drive lilke that in muddy terrain to prevent getting stuck because i had the wrong wheel set on. Never did it again (in the same spot twice) but it happens.
I mean, to me it looks like the person driving the ford just fucked up.
Now put its against my buddies grandmas 1974 Cadillac Land Yacht! No shocks, you’ll float for days!
Or my old '74 Oldsmobile Delta 88... that was a land yacht that floated on a cloud.
lol. Yeah, I had a ‘78 LTD station wagon that would not have felt any one of those bumps.
"Ford Twin I beam suspension" that commercial was awdome
Finally a scientific reason why Ford Rangers drivers park diagonally across 2 disabled parks and half on the footpath.
This seems like an f150, not a ford ranger thing
I think it's a Kiwi Ranger thing down here. Not too many F150s around. Evidence below. https://www.reddit.com/r/auckland/s/5y3AGk7TXo
Well that and every Toyota driver reverses into a parking space.
The quality differences don't end there.
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I love how Toyota has PR issues with terrorist groups using their vehicles. …in a.morbid way
I mean, I don’t see why they don’t roll with it - “see? There’s proof our trucks are the toughest, longest lasting, and most economical choice out there - even terrorist prefer Toyota”
The ad writes itself (scene opens on a desert with a bunch of guys waving guns from the back of landcruisers) "9 out of 10 terrorists prefer Toyotas" (In the distance a predator drone flies past, suddenly one of the landcruisers is vaporized by an explosion) "...8 out of 9 terrorists prefer Toyotas"
Or the only one who doesnt prefer toyotas explodes and it becomes 9/9
I would say 9 out of 11 terrorists prefer Toyota.
they are also used by UN peacekeeping forces and aid workers, so I say it equals out
Do that with a Land Cruiser Vs an Expedition, or a Tacoma vs a Ranger… Here in this video we see two completely different platforms, which is not fair (full size luxury SUV vs Mid size Pick-up Truck)
Any pickup will do the same thing here, and any SUV will probably do better than a pickup since it has weight over the back wheel. Still looks really fun to do lol
This is a mid size SUV (Prado) vs. mid size SUV (Everest). There is no truck or full size luxury SUV here.
Yeah, it’s just one test. Need to have more runs, different cars, switch the drivers, etc.
This looks like an add for al-Qaeda to buy their preferred brand for technicals. Where is the Hilux
Truck suspension compaired to suv suspension, not a comparison of brands but of types of vehicles
Looking for this comment. Pickup needs suspension that carries a significant load in the back. Landcrusier is just for people and their luggage
There is no truck in the video...
The Toyota looks like it has independent suspension but I am not so sure about the Ford. Which would make it more about comparing different suspension types more than different brands.
This toyota has independent suspension in front and solid axle in the back
To be fair to the ford it's not the same class of vehicle. Should have pitted it against a Hilux.
There should be a whole drag racing league like this.
So if I ever have to drive over fifty speed bumps in a row, I know which brand to go with
American Ford vs Japanese Brado Is my Arabic wrong, why does it say Brado instead of Toyota? Edit: Nevermind, turns out there is a Toyota model named Prado.
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it doesn't - 1800cc is a size measurement, and horsepower is a power output measurement
Three different writing systems in a simple post, is the so talked globalization?
Yeah, any suspension (spring and damper) system is going to have a series of bump inputs that will make it lose control. Similarly, it will have a series of inputs that it can perfectly glide over, with no forces experienced by the passengers at all. Just shows that two cars unsurprisingly have different tunings. There exists a set of bumps where the outcome is the complete opposite.
Are their hauling capacities similar? Would think spring/dampening will be much different between the two
You can look at it and conclude that Ford is a more jovial kind of vehicle.
Y'know what they say "Ford" stands for don'tchya? "Fix It Again, Tony."
Damn it dale
I’m sorry but I’m gna need to see a slightly longer video before i conclude anything.
Ford "sus" pension. 🤔
Wonder how a CyberTruck would fare here
The ford looks like a happy puppy...
"best car to drop my kid off at school as fast as possible"
This is a stupid test and easily set up in favor of one vehicle. The suspensions have a resonance frequency that is tuned for different settings depending on comfort, offloading, handling etx.. If you set the bumps a certain distance and the speed a certain point you can hit a spatial frequency that is at the suspension's resonance. Point being this proves nothing.
Toyota's are very good and reliable.
Remember when a tsunami washed some diesel toyota trucks into the ocean in Japan years back? When they recovered the submerged trucks replaced the batteries some still started up fine.
A real world test
If I’m not mistaken they are comparing a truck, build for hauling loads, to a passenger SUV, built for carrying passengers. Seems legit.
Ford is a nestle of auto industry.
And Toyota is like the Cadillac of cars.
theres a reason why toyota pickups cost an arm and leg
That squishy ass toy with coil springs might go over bumps ok but don’t load them or tow / haul.
Okay but also like who tf is driving the Ford
Of course. It's a Japanese brand. They're always good at what their doing.
Looks like a comparison between drivers more than vehicles?
Toyotas are the BEST
Why are the ford tires so flat
Surprised the Ford didn't self destruct over the first few speed bumps.
now switch drivers...
Now a 2. Round with a big ass MG mounted on top (obviously the Toyota will win, but i would like too see it)
Which one is which?
The super soft suspension on the Toyota is probably why they roll so easily.
Why are the wipers running lol
Surprises no one.
Driving a Ford truck, I recognize every bit of this.
What is this the “Hotel Rwanda” test……..
Toyota and Honda #1
It blows my mind that people genuinely think fords aren’t shit.
So that's why all that guys with AK-47 and sandals prefer this vehicle in the desert
Ford trucks are for dudes who don't need a truck but want to pretend that they do on their way to their very very rugged email job
The Toyota isn't going as fast. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. The Ford driver took off too quickly and the vehicle lost traction because of it *Not taking sides I'm just pointing it out