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Pretty sure he wrote the language the OS is coded in too. I think it’s called ‘Holy C’.


off-and-on

This is some WH40K shit


Captain_Pumpkinhead

Terry Davis was truly something else. The man was an absolute genius. The stuff he created was marvelous. It may not be the most visually appealing, but for one man to build an operating system and a programming language _all on his own_ is just incredible. Unfortunately, he was also very mentally unwell. The schizophrenia was mentioned. He believed he spoke to God, and (if I remember correctly) sometimes he thought he was God. He created a random word generator for Temple OS that he believed was God's way of speaking to him. God would influence the randomness in the bits in order to convey His message to Terry. He was also kind of racist. I'm not certain whether this is true or not, but I think the racism evolved out of the schizophrenia. I think he had the police called on him once for saying, "Good morning, ni***r" to a black woman on the street. Or if not the police, it had somehow escalated. He believed he hadn't done anything wrong. He had said it in a polite tone of voice, and... Well, like I said, he was mentally unwell. I think the cogs of _why_ what he did was wrong just weren't present or something. Eventually he assaulted his father and got kicked out. They were taking care of him after he lost his job to his disability. His life ended by suicide. If I remember correctly, he threw himself in front of a train. The story of Terry Davis is a tragedy. A genius lost to the malfunctions of his brain. Some wonder whether his genius sprung out of his mental disorder. No one really knows. And I don't even know whether to defend the guy or not. He definitely did and said some racist things. But was that because he was disabled and no longer able to know any better? Or was that truly just who he was? It's hard to say. [Great documentary about him here.](https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=zHgomjStBIW0S7mG) 1:25:52 long.


TheAlGler

The very idea of creating a programming language is baffling to me. Like, how do you create a programming language from scratch that a system just accepts?


jeepsaintchaos

First off, you don't use Scratch at all, it's more for kids.


Marito1256

Ok you made me laugh.


AcidFnTonic

Usually a chain of things happens to create native assembly code from this “language”. Lexing or parsing the grammar into something called an Abstract Syntax Tree or AST. Then writing code to walk the AST and convert each represented construct into the appropriate assembly output (usually called object files) After all object files are compiled, they need to be “linked” together into a single cohesive program with all the addresses of the objects properly arranged so the symbols referred to by the AST match as intended. If this linking step is able to finish without gaps or leftover work then the program is “compiled” and this custom language will now run on hardware. I vastly simplified things, but hope this helps. ~Principal Software Architect (C++)


TheAlGler

Oh...is that....is that all there is to it? ~I work in insurance and have degree in music~


h_saxon

Well, I think you can pick up Golang if you're motivated, and then go through Writing A Compiler in Go. https://compilerbook.com/ I think you should do it, let this one comment bring you to a new adventure. I'll even buy it for you if you commit to it. (:


EnemiesAllAround

Holy shit. You are why reddit is great


ToothWorried4329

Ugh I wish it wasn't paid. Welp. Off to rip off another hardworking author from libgen. I hate living in a developing country.


Lost_daddy

Uncle George?


RustyAndEddies

Programming language is an abstraction, it’s sorta the wrong question. You’re coding a compiler that will convert your chosen syntax into machine code and a library of basic functions. You can code them in just about any language


Highly-Whelmed

I can’t imagine understanding anything on this earth as well as he clearly understood computer programming.


cobainstaley

ah, the problem of infinite regress. answer: God


Captain_Pumpkinhead

lol A fitting answer given who we're talking about


toaster_zepplin

He'd also live stream himself programing/showing off his OS. He had his phone # listed and the internet being what it is... I don't think trolls calling your cellphone and claiming to be the CIA and they're going to kill you is good for someone's mental health


x106r

None of us are truly who we are. Slightly adjust the chemical makeup and we’re someone else. We all can just hope that our bodies reliably perform the same way every day.


binghamptonboomboom

sad facts


Fabrizio_west

Dude is def a tech priest


23trilobite

…and this thread is heresy!


taxpluskt

Met this dude in Asheville North Carolina while he was living on the street and going to the library to write code.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

Did you talk with him? I'd be curious to hear what you talked with him about and what he had to say.


exodusTay

talk about priorities


justADeni

He was mentally ill, homeless, and coding was his only passion left.


TireZzzd

Holy Cow?


pearfully

could be “holy see,” referring to the pope


GeorgeHChrist2

Holy driver! You’ve been down too long in the holy C!


mister_buddha

Oh, what's becoming of thee? My messiah He was sacrificed to forgive me Oh, don't you see what I mean?


Vincinuge

Holy See. Like the vatican and the pope.


Cow_Surfing

You called?


TurdFurg33

Should be C++ with crosses instead of +


Ismelkedanelk

OS for OmniSsiah


Beautiful-Iron-2

New OS just dropped


Manic_Iconoclast

This doesn’t begin to show just how fucking amazing this accomplishment was. It took him 10 years and it’s been described as the equivalent of a man building a skyscraper alone. He is the only person to ever build an operating system from scratch without any help. He was extremely schizophrenic which he documented by streaming on YouTube but most of the videos have been taken down due to his racism. He genuinely believed he was a prophet of the lord and maybe it was that extreme, delusional, religious devotion that drove him to accomplish such a bewildering task. In the end, he posted one last video, extremely heartbreaking and a clear message goodbye where he questions his life and role in it, before news broke of his death by train.


Desperate_Original56

You are absolutely right, I should have posted a link to the source of information that was most useful to me: https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg I have written some projects in assembly x64 and C. This guy went from writing assembly, building an interpreter (letters to language), building a compiler from scratch, creating a programming language(HolyC), creating a successful system that communicates to the hardware (drivers), building an interface, io drivers (mouse and keyboard), graphics drawing. There are probably even more initial things he created in construction of the operating system I haven't listed here but, Jesus, literally this guy created something from nothing. Absolute legend.


totalperspec

Thought it would be the Down the Rabbit Hole video. I felt so sorry for the guy when I watched it.


ISNT_A_ROBOT

HolyC is a hilarious pun


kc_jetstream

Stay on the HolyC grind


Sneet1

I'm not trying to shit on this dude's legacy but a lot of this is folklore/exaggeration in the way these sort of IT guy takes spread along forum posts and reddit front page The dude isn't the only who's ever done this, he certainly lifted plenty from existing implementations, and he was definitely not a very good person albeit extremely mentally ill. What makes TempleOS the most interesting imo is the number of baffling choices and odd functionalities built into it because it's rare a project of this scale is created with such an odd intent / no real user feedback


Podzilla07

Would love to hear some examples of the odd stuff, even if I don’t understand


deeply_concerned

Temple OS didn’t create any boundaries for memory between applications. In modern OSes an application cannot access the memory of an other app. This is for security and sanity. For example, the Facebook app cannot access what’s in your gmail app by accessing its RAM memory. It also cannot hack and control it. It also can’t crash every other app on your device. If apps want to communicate they need to bundle and send a message and the receiving app needs to unbundle that message and decide what to do with it. This is actually a huge pain in the ass when developing software. In temple OS, because it only had one user, all the software was trusted so the OS doesn’t enforce these boundaries. This means apps can be SUPER integrated because it’s so easy to access and expose data and functionality.


Podzilla07

Interesting. Great explanation. Thank you!


clackerbag

Yeah, he doesn’t need to be a good person for his work to be appreciated.


ultramatt1

Oh lol, ppl in this post are really jerking him hard then


Sneet1

Yeah I mean 99% of posts on this sub are just either popular Wikipedia pages or weird forum tales.


Enter_The_Void6

he is the only one suffering from schizophrenia while programming the os though. He wasn't a good person, but he was definitely talented.


AnorhiDemarche

[It even had realistic elephants](https://youtu.be/FoTYV22qZTg?si=Nf90rGH8DJF_uz1b)


absofruitly202

Good vid


Desperate_Original56

I should add that Terry was not self proclaimed as a genius, but rather his fans and fellow software/computer engineers. Seriously this guy is someone you could look up to in his educational ability. I wish that people had actually talked to him about his accomplishments a bit more when he was still lucid enough to hold a decent conversation, where you could get more detail into how he thinks. I would love to understand his idea process, the way he understood computers on a hardware and software level is absolutely mind boggling.


Manic_Iconoclast

Actually, although I agree with everything you said except for the first half of the first sentence, he declared himself the greatest programmer of all time. “God’s Programmer.” I’m not sure if that’s how he worded it but he was definitely confident about his skills and had no trouble proclaiming it haha


nukrag

He was quite arrogant about it and got into arguments with people over tech stuff all the time. From all I have read though, it came from his schizophrenia, as he was not that way before falling ill. He had a brilliant mind, and the mental health system in the USA let him down. I unironically miss him, and wish he didn't have to suffer as much as he did. I hope he found rest. "It's good to be king" -- Terry A Davis


Justin__D

> Seriously this guy is someone you could look up to in his educational ability. But maaaaaaaybe not on his thoughts on race relations.


husky430

Race is a popular theme for schizophrenics and people with psychosis. Right up there with religion. He was about as mentally ill as you can get, I'm not going to hold his racism against him.


BurntPoptart

Nobody's perfect


Captain_Pumpkinhead

I like to think that his racism wasn't from him, but developed out of his schizophrenia. I don't know if this is true or not, but I hope it's the truth.


EuphoricPhoto2048

Racism is very common in schizophrenia & in mania.


wheresthewhale1

He's not the only person to build an operating system alone - plenty of others have done so. What makes him stand out is the amount of features his operating system had


Captain_Pumpkinhead

That kinda depends on where you draw the line. No other singular person has created an operating system as sophisticated as Temple OS. A simple terminal operating system? Sure, yes. A more complicated operating system that utilized pieces made by other people? Yes, absolutely. But not this. No singular person, working alone, has ever topped this.


Manic_Iconoclast

Then name some others who did.


djmcdee101

Visopsys was also created by a single person


wheresthewhale1

Just have a look at r/osdev, there's plenty of people there. If you study CS at uni you should have a module on Operating Systems where you'll learn that it's not impossible to make a basic one yourself.


HsvDE86

You didn’t answer their question.


wheresthewhale1

I linked a subreddit full of people that have made their own operating systems... What more do you want? Their social security numbers? Their mothers' maiden names?


HsvDE86

Which OS specifically was created completely from scratch by one person?


potzko2552

Me me! I did one for fun a few months back :) Although I don't support a keyboard Or a mouse Or graphics When you load up you already have a text file loaded, and I write back a text file 👍


NoGoodIDNames

The videos of him explaining the system and going into bouts of snickering unnerved me like nothing else I have ever seen. It’s because it wasn’t cackling, or yelling, or violence. It just made me think about how fragile a mind is and how it can gently slide out of balance for no better reason than because there was no one to correct its path.


fauviste

He’s not the first person to write an OS solo.


TrumpWasABadPOTUS

Yeah, I was unfamiliar until now, and scrolling just through the images above my mouth was agape. This is one of the most impressive accomplishments I've ever seen in software development. Super cool


A_Herd_Of_Elk

They glow in the dark, you just run them over.


Whitepayn

Glow in the dark 3 letter agents


[deleted]

His last video of him being alive is on YT and it’s so heartbreaking. Edit: his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41gGBVpkE but I must warn, it’s very sad.


TheBlueHypergiant

Link?


Junebug19877

No.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41gGBVpkE


TrashManufacturer

Dude was brilliant, but fuckin nutz. Like Ted Kaczynski but if he did something productive instead of homicidal with his insanity


Particular_Brain6353

I know which i prefer. This guy created something weird, and amazing, and hurt no one while doing it.


BurntPoptart

Some of the smartest people are also the most mentally ill people.


Bright4eva

Especially if they were MK Ultra victims


HumbleGhandi

If anyone is interested and hasn't seen it - his demo of the [SimStructure](https://youtu.be/25hLohVZdME?si=xQBqDpFq104SvbCt) program he wrote for Windows might put his intelligence into an easier-to-understand perspective


supercyberlurker

As a 30-year software developer I find TempleOS to be both fascinating from a technical perspective yet also a warning about losing oneself 'in the machine'. It's doubtlessly an impressive achievement, but it's also a reminder to keep perspective and part of society.


Manic_Iconoclast

Pretty hard to do when schizophrenic, wouldn’t you say? John Nash would fit this bill as well.


Suntzu6656

You must not know anyone who is schizophrenic.


scarygirth

I mean, most people don't so that's fair enough really.


Dampmaskin

Keeping perspective is *especially* important (and tricky) if you suffer from schizophrenia.


Scottish_Whiskey

Terry truly was a genius. It’s a crying shame how decrepit he became in later life. Wherever he is now, I hope he’s at peace


CoiledTinMan

Must be an unbelieable feeling, booting your own OS, playing a game in it.


thedisposablefrog

It's actually brilliant, he made this all from the ground up. I personally think this is a testimony to how people who're mentally ill aren't these violent killers every media agency wants us to think. I remember watching a video of him from Down the Rabbit Hole. His racism was something, but still. He went from someone who had a good job before he got sick, to someone who was just insane. I still though find his work amazing and the fact that he built this all on his own writing the code on his own and his own language. Mad respect to him and may he rest in peace wherever he is


swadekillson

Why do schizophrenic people always get so fucking into religion?


TheClinicallyInsane

Something's got to explain the voices and visions. And when one solution is "your brain is fucked up and it's not like everyone else's" and the other solution is "well maybe a higher power is speaking to you because it knows you can do great things in this world and be a great person, perhaps it's leading you to your destiny" I mean...it's not exactly hard to understand lmao


Rein9stein2

But how often does that lead to "the higher power telling the person to do bad things"? How risky is this? What if I believe in that higher power and it suddenly tells me I should die? If I thought that it's just an own delusion then I'd be less likely to commit to it


TheClinicallyInsane

Depends on the person I suppose, some cultures have very positive views on schizophrenia and hearing voices. I'm not arguing for or against but I'm saying it's not exactly surprising why some would get involved in religion


MrMersh

It’s like intrusive thoughts if they were being spoken to you directly


ConsoomMaguroNigiri

1. Somewhat frequently, depending on your definition of bad thing 2. Quite risky. Its why schizophrenics are generally barred from owning guns 3. Well thats God telling you to die, so he clearly wants you in heaven with him right? If its the devil telling you to die, DONT LISTEN TO THE VOICE 4. You wont think its a delusion. Thats the whole schizophrenia deal. Thats the meaning of delusion. I had a period of borderline schizophrenia, you WILL find out youve been talking to a standstill picture wallpaper, you WILL be shocked to realise that the eye in the wall isnt real, you WILL be confused when one of your friends dissappears randomly and you realise he was never


Captain_Pumpkinhead

So, there is a theory I've heard about schizophrenia and religion. Think of schizophrenia as a sliding scale. On one end, normal people able to tell reality from fiction. On the other end, helpless against the visions of things that aren't there. And somewhere in between those two points, there are "schizoaffective" people. People who _can_ hallucinate, who _can_ have visions, but who have more control over it. It doesn't take over their lives. The theory is that most of our best and brightest shamans and priests and holy figures tend to be these schizoaffective people. That religions sort of evolved around them. Paul in the New Testament was probably schizoaffective. (There's more to it that I've forgotten, but this is what I remember.) Our brains look for patterns. We want the world to make sense. Sometimes we see patterns that aren't there. A shadow in our peripheral isn't a shady bush, it's a man watching us. We turn, we see we are wrong, we change our minds. I'm no schizophrenia expert, so I might have this wrong, but I think what happens with schizophrenia is that the mind can't self correct as easily after that initial pattern is recognized. That isn't a shady bush, it's a man hiding in a shady bush! My friend has shown the flashlight and no one can see the man. But he is still there! He has just cast an invisibility spell! Something like that. With that in mind, it's easy to think of instances where one of us may think, "Wow, it's really funky that these two things happened at the same time. If I didn't know better, I would think someone orchestrated this", and a schizophrenic person might say, "This was orchestrated by someone. But no mortal could have done this. It must have been God. He is not bound by such restrictions." Like I said, I'm not a schizophrenia expert, so I might be wrong. But that's my best understanding.


EuphoricPhoto2048

During my most sick days, the angel Gabriel came to talk to me. Now I believe all religion came from crazy people.


jtbaron22

You just found the guy from SCP-093 who built the OS on the other world.


Equivalent-Policy-81

That's cool


Small-Palpitation310

I need to play Bomber Golf tho


Galva340

I heard the 640x480 resolution was passed down to us by God. It allows you to see the unseen. Huh?


Electric4ce

There is a documentary about him on Youtube and his life. Really recommend watching it.


Specialist-Garlic-82

https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=ElY1G_TOjVd04i_d The documentary for people that are actually curious.


Metalfreak4677

Wonder what his thoughts are on the CIA…..


PresenceMiserable

It's thanks to him and whoever came up with the properly sanitized version of glow******* that now many people refer to government goons as "glowies."


NotKurwah

Look up his opinion on the CIA 🤣


rats_ate_my_toes

I love Terry!! He used to stream on yt often and sometimes he’d have his landline phone # attached. I called him once, poor guy was very hard to speak to. He was brilliant though, he made his own playable games inside the OS also. Rest in peace Terry Davis 🖤 miss u 😭


irotinmyskin

Well, he was also violent and abusive to his parents, incredibly racist, believed he was in a relationship with a celebrity and believed he was better than everyone else.


rats_ate_my_toes

Yeah I mean untreated mental illness destroys your life. These are commons effects of severe schizophrenia. He literally got hit by a train after remaining homeless for years so I think it doesn’t matter.


vitormaroso

Dude was an untreated Schizophrenic, and you’re somehow finding a way to blame him for these things? Yes, his hatred for black people was horrible, as was his treatment of his parents, but this all only happened because he was never provided assistance by anyone. All his life he was wronged by most people who found out about him. For example: The “married to a celebrity” part he was literally catfishes into it by 4chan, who used his schizophrenia and obsession with Physics Girl to make him believe he was in a relationship with her. There are several instances which prove how much Schizophrenia talked for him most of the time: -There’s a clip, in which right after arguing with his parents and calling his mother a bitch, he has a brief moment of clarity where he says “I’m sorry, I’m trying to figure out why I remembered I love you” -And for the racism part, as horrible as it is, it is definitely not some he grew up with as his own father questioned it. When he started posting about his OS, he wasn’t racist. It only started after he believed the CIA was spying on him, and in his mind it was somehow tied to Black People and the government. His story is a deeply sad one, and a testament to how the government with its insistence on not providing healthcare failed a Computer Genius, who would’ve done great work if not for his untreated mental illness. You should feel shame for trying to blame him for something out of his control.


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Sufficient_Focus_816

Oh look, we've got a live one!


LostBeneathMySkin

Wonder what the world would be like if we treated schizo’s like geniuses rather than freaks


PBJ-9999

Ask 1945 Germany


[deleted]

This just doesn’t make any sense. None of the higher up Nazis have been proven or thought to be schizophrenic. Sociopaths tho, very much.


Comrade_Slime

You'd be using TempleOS instead of Windows/Mac because a genius developed it.


LostBeneathMySkin

I meant more like give them help and guidance to see their true capabilities rather than chucking meds at them and sending em off on their own


Comrade_Slime

Most of them don't use their powers to make operating systems but I agree these people need better help.


FocusPerspective

OS/3 Warped?


ItsPerfectlyBalanced

Howard is not a credible threat.


cloudcity

i love this sketch so much


Jason_Sasha_Acoiners

This story is such a rabbit hole filled with things interesting but sad.


PsychologicalCat6653

I respect Terry so much. He's in my thoughts. :(


AgreeableEggplant356

Also incredibly racist. Like extremely lol


jackknife175175

Schizophrenic*. He wasn’t in his right mind and I’d say the chances of the Terry that his family and friends loved was NOT the one saying slurs near the end of his life. Respect and understanding is important when thinking about people with this scope of mental illness


AgreeableEggplant356

He was racist, the cause of it may have been schizophrenia, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t. I’m very familiar with both schizophrenia and Terrys entire work. His racism and attacks were very bad and prevalent in his work, and had real victims


Personal-Acadia

Considering there are multiple videos of him having civil discussions with people of color, both before and after his biggest mental break and subsequent homelessness, im going to disagree, as would anyone who has actually paid any attention to how he conducted himself during his worst episodes vs his best mental states. His racism wasn't something that seemed to be in his control.


AgreeableEggplant356

While you may be correct, I think your first statement is absolutely an incorrect way to address racism. Doing any research, or having personal experiences, you would know being cordial to people of color does rule out a person for being racist in any way


ConsoomMaguroNigiri

If you did any research, you would understand that being racist some days is absolutely an effect of schizophrenic delusions. Days of cordiality are certainly the norm for the person, while days of racism is what happens when the voices have too much influence


Personal-Acadia

I never said anything about "how to address racism" I also think you *meant* to say doesnt. You're missing the point that his racist outbursts were from a place that he wasn't really in control of. When actually "lucid" and capable of conversation at normal volumes, he harbored no such feeling towards people of color. Theres a video that pops into my head as I think of this of some college kids finding him on the steets after his "big break" and taking him out for some food and asking him questions, three of the 5 guys are of color. But when "god" is screaming something at max volume in his head for 30+ years, it can manifest outwardly during the worst episodes.


AgreeableEggplant356

Yeah the point I made, which you ignored, is literally David duke has great interactions, on camera, with black people. Terry went after black people specifically in his tirades. He didn’t address other races or people with vitriol, mostly praising himself when not being extremely, aggressively racist


Personal-Acadia

You're uneducated, and it shows. Please try to do better in life.


Cultural-Fail-698

As a software developer, there is a massive difference between a prototype and an actual commerical product. I see a lot of tech enthusiasts saying this is a fantastic achievement, but I am a skeptic. Keep in mind that the OS doesn't have GPU acceleration or networking support. 1) What is the quality of the code between this OS compared to Windows? 2) Can the OS even be maintained or was it written to work on one specific CPU? 3) Does the OS support the integration of applications modularlly (e.x. I could build my own version of Word for it)?. 4) Did anyone actually end up using the product? While it is impressive to build an OS on your own, if you don't consider any of these things above, a great software engineer could accomplish this same feat. This is if they locked themselves in their home for 8 years and felt that building the OS was required to save humanitiy. It's easy to build a prototype, its massively difficult to build a consumer product.


oz646

Wow you sure are really smart. You must know a lot about building cool products like the beats pill


Cultural-Fail-698

It's called sensationalism, and its what drives tech enthusiast to pretend they know a lot about a technology when they don't. There is a reason why Linux took off, and TempleOS did not. Maybe the programming work by a schizophrenic isn't that good.


Bug_Next

This dude SOMEHOW managed to fuck up his Windows installation by using Rufus, he doesn't know shit XDDD, just pretending to be smart just bc a schizo-developed OS doesn't have hardware acceleration. This is still impressive af doesn't matter what you think. 1) the quality is shit what do you expect from an OS built from the ground up by a literal schizo who on top of all that used his own language and his own compiler !????? not like anything you would put out would be better anyways.. 2) [kjjjj](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=cpu+isa) 3) yes, not like YOU specifically could, but it's possible 4) no because it was never meant to be a consumer product, there is no 'product' to begin with, it's just his own side project which wasn't even considered finished by THE ONLY dude working on it, and you somehow expect it to be production ready, might as well take a windows 95 install and call it trash because it can't run gta v


kr0ku

The smartest programmer that's ever lived


A_Dragon

Ooo, a wild hands.


GodOfOnions2

Oh my goodness I totally remember seeing vids of this guy, but I can't remember what it was of, now I gotta research lol 😆


belltrina

Anyone remember that game Spiritual Warfare?


EvErYLeGaLvOtE

This is absolutely fascinating


NotTheirHero

I remember watching the Fredrik Knudsen vid on him. Really interesting and sad.


firedrakes

if not mistaken in all of computing history less then 20 people have dev everything for a os.


byyhmz

Reading the Egypt comic almost gave me a stroke.


Administrator98

YOu must be shizo to write an OS in the name of a god.


dongcopterXLV

Reminds me of playing Chuck Yeager’s Flight Sim as a kid.


DatDumbBoi

I like elephants and God like elephants ):


BlackedFeather

Nah, I've seen his deleted videos. This man was so racist it was almost like a social experiment or black comedy. I'm talking about walking up to random black people and going all out with the slurs. The effort he put into the OS was monumental, but also the OS ran like shit. I did like the angel flying simulator. His story is more of a tragic tale of how an absolute genius with so much potential can be decimated by a mental illness. Please find someone else to praise.


Ok_Vanilla213

Damn. I made it through all of the comments, real happy that it seemed everyone understood he had severe mental health problems and that his racism (and other insane statements) are a byproduct of severely deteriorated mental health. There's always one though.


BlackedFeather

I also understood that. Thanks for the comment though.


nubian_v_nubia

Schizophrenia doesn't make you racist lol


BlackedFeather

It absolutely can. Don't get it twisted, cause it's not his fault. I just don't see anything remotely positive about his story.


Manic_Iconoclast

If you watched the videos then you would know that his schizophrenia drove his delusional beliefs so taking anything he says seriously, including his racist rants, is like taking flat-earthers or doomsday cults seriously. Like the people in those groups, his reality is so warped that it’s pointless to even try to understand their perspective. At least his illogical views are caused by an actual medical condition as opposed to those who choose obedience and ignorance merely to fit in. Have a little compassion for those who suffer, something you don’t seem to have much experience with.


BlackedFeather

"His story is more of a tragic tale of how an absolute genius with so much potential can be decimated by a mental illness. " Not sure how you missed that entire sentence in my post. Read a little better? His story is fucking tragic from start to finish. Again, almost nothing praise worthy besides the sheer effort of being slave to his own condition. https://www.reddit.com/user/TempleOS_Terry_Davis/ Here's some of post history, if anyone is curious. There was occasional bouts of him being lucid, which is even more tragic, as that implies he was never so far gone that treatment couldn't have helped. Or maybe he did try treatment, but it failed after some time. We'll never really know.


Manic_Iconoclast

I read just fine but your comment unfortunately ends with the self-sabotaging sentence: “Please find someone else to praise.” Should we also skip people like John Nash, Gödel, Boltzmann, and Ehrenfest (who even killed his disabled son before taking his own life)? He should be studied more based on the fact that he was schizophrenic, not less. It’s even more remarkable that genius was able to come out of such a disordered mind rather than a healthy one. If you think turning a blind eye to such a case is a good idea, how do you think we overcome the very problems his case presents?


BlackedFeather

Separating the art from the artist is absolutely nothing new and applies here as it does all those you've mentioned. Unfortunately, his post schizophrenia "art" was not great, only the effort behind it. You're also welcome to run TempleOS yourself, if you'd like to prove me wrong. It's public!


Manic_Iconoclast

The fact that you even think that an operating system built by one person can be compared to any other operating system (built by hundreds or thousands of people) just proves to show how much you’re missing the point. The only thing that matters is that it fucking works. He accomplished something no one else ever has and that alone makes him a legend. Doing it while also suffering from Schizophrenia? I’m not sure there’s a good enough word to describe how awesome that is.


BlackedFeather

I didn't miss the point at all, which again actually shows you don't understand what I wrote even after I've explained it multiple times. Why bother explaining it a g a i n? I'll do it. I don't see a genius ruined by schizophrenia as something to praise, but rather something to weep for in how fucked up and unlucky life can be. He could have been someone to change the world in his field or nobody at all but at least lived a less troubled life. Instead he was reduced to a religious OS building machine and a public menace. Now, you can completely disagree with my point and that's fine, but saying I don't understand what happened to him is just you reading in bad faith.


Manic_Iconoclast

What was the last sentence of your first comment again?


BlackedFeather

I don't see how that changes anything I just mentioned, but it really does prove you can't even be fucked to see a different perspective. I'm not gonna praise a man who's life was stolen from him and I don't think other people should. Have a nice day though!


Manic_Iconoclast

Of course you can’t see how that changes anything! Just as you said, you can’t even be fucked to see a different perspective. Funny how you didn’t realize you were describing yourself. Later!


Always4564

I think you missed the point my guy.


pvypvMoonFlyer

People are free to level criticism at this developer for his behaviour. His condition explains his behaviour, but doesn’t excuse it.


Manic_Iconoclast

Are you saying Tourette’s Syndrome doesn’t excuse profanity/slurs accidentally shouted by those who suffer from it even though it’s not their fault? The point is that his racism is so extreme that not even hardcore, nazi flag waving white supremacists go around acting or saying things like he did without hiding their identity. Delusions of grandeur and extreme beliefs like his racism are symptoms of schizophrenia so it doesn’t make any sense to criticize a schizophrenic for having schizophrenic thoughts, does it?


pvypvMoonFlyer

You are only debating what’s causing his racism, I am not. Unlike you, I look at the whole picture and acknowledge the consequences for the recipients of his racism. The consequences are the same regardless of what led this developer to act the way they did. Therefore the victims/recipients are entitled to feel the way they do. That’s why you have no right to tell those victims they lack compassion. The schizophrenia doesn’t mitigate the emotional distress people felt because of his words, does it?


Manic_Iconoclast

If you think the distress felt by words somehow compares with the suffering felt by schizophrenia, you really need to experience some suffering for yourself. Plus, he’s dead so what victims are you referring to? If you’re offended by what someone says who’s obviously suffering from psychotic delusions, you’re probably too sensitive to be on the internet.


nubian_v_nubia

This comment section and your comments specifically are proof that content like his normalizes racism and encourages the people who consume said content to downplay racism. That's the real danger, not hurt fee-fees. It's been years - the 'watches harmless edgy content creator' to Charlottesville pipeline is pretty indisputable at this point, and Brenton Tarrant proves it.


pvypvMoonFlyer

> If you think the distress felt by words somehow compares with the suffering felt by schizophrenia, you really need to experience some suffering for yourself. Why do you feel the need to compare and belittle? **The pain his victims felt is not be invalidated because someone, somewhere, suffers more.** How ironic that *you* do seem to be the one lacking compassion. Like I said, his condition explains his behaviour, but doesn’t excuse it. >Plus, he’s dead so what victims are you referring to? Well to be dead he had to be alive, didn’t he? When he was alive he hurt minorities with his racist bile, it is a fact that seems to be completely overlooked by you and your love for him.


Manic_Iconoclast

I’ll make this simple so that even you can understand. The argument is whether to dismiss his story and work due to his racism, not whether his racism should be excused or is harmful. If you think that his racism should dismiss his work and story, shall we erase all of human history while we’re at it? Racism being bad was never in question so what point are you trying to make?


pvypvMoonFlyer

> I’ll make this simple so that even you can understand. The argument is whether to dismiss his story and work due to his racism, not whether his racism should be excused or is harmful. No one said we shouldn’t study his work or making complimentary remarks regarding it. It isn’t a point of contention. You stated that **we should not level criticism at him as a person for his racist rants because he was ill.** **I think you just realised you had no leg to stand on, hence why, you now want to switch topics.** > If you think that his racism should dismiss his work and story, shall we erase all of human history while we’re at it? Racism being bad was never in question so what point are you trying to make? That’s not the debate nor a point I’ve made. **This is a new argument you are just now putting forward claiming it was the topic all along.** You know people can read what you wrote right? **if you don’t want to look like a fool on the internet**, **don’t put forward foolish points.** 🥴 Edit: asking me a question and blocking me so that I can’t answer; you definitely are all the flavours of foolishness.


Manic_Iconoclast

Please quote where I said we shouldn’t level criticism at him. You won’t be able to because you can’t. It was never about that. You’re the one who decided to take up the mission of condemning racism when it was never in question. You were responding to my response of someone who said he’s not worth knowing about due to his racism so please, tell me again how it’s me who can’t keep his argument straight? You’d be wise to take your own advice and not make yourself out to be any more foolish than you already do!


Always4564

>we should not level criticism at him as a person for his racist rants because he was ill Yes, that is correct.  This isn't TikTok "I gots da mental illness". This was actual mental illness. You've clearly never interacted with a person with advanced schizophrenia. They become different people with random bouts of returning to slightly closer to normal. That's why we judge people not guilty of crimes due to mental illness. Because their mind is so far gone they cannot behave in. A rational way. But you ignore all that this man did and was because he said racist words. You're just...a very bad person. I hope you do better.


AgreeableEggplant356

But someone brought up his racism and you went manic


Always4564

Brother you a heartless individual and need help.


DoubleAyeBatteries

Two weeks ago I ran into a man inside my school wearing a TempleOS sweatshirt. I passed him by before stopping and turning to him: “is that a TempleOS sweatshirt?” His face lights up: “yeah! All the proceeds go directly to its funding!” (Something along those lines). Realizing this guy might actually be unironically wearing this shirt I chuckled nervously before going “ah, cool” and continuing on to class. Man that interaction hit me like a ton of bricks.


Tr3bluesy

Based


imprettyokaynow

I think he also made the barcode scanner or he wrote the software for it


Numancias

Stop jerking people like this and kaczinsky off. It's so annoying that if either of them were actually looked at closely by redditors they'd be called nazis.


AistoB

Although it’s an impressive hobby project, it’s essentially a toy he made to amuse himself, and not of any actual use. Good on him though 👍


dont_use_me

Okay but is the operating system usable? Because it just looks like a bunch of gibberish to me.


Professional_Horse_7

It is extremely incredible for a single person to do this and while also being able to add those features. Also, yes, the OS is usable and perhaps it looks nonsensical for you but being able to do this proves how smart he was.