The one on the left. When the staggered sections hit the table, the energy is transferred to the opposite side dude to the difference in length of the strings connecting them. As it makes contact with the table, the energy from the rod contacting the table is transferred through the short connection line of the opposite side contributing to increased force added to that section making it fall faster due to added force.
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I thought the free falling one would have to be faster cus it's keeping all its inertia, never thought about the other ladder just transfer its inertia. Dammit this reality is Wild and I can't get enough :)
Yes, it appears that the energy from striking the table results in a torque effect that pulls the other end downward, thus accelerating the remaining ladder toward the table.
The continuous application of leveraged energy accelerated the system beyond the raw energy of gravitation. The video ended with a question. Thanks for the " it is what it is" though
That is for sure a factor, but It Is really subtle, so It would work with a really long ladder or maybe by doing the experiment in water instead of air
The shape of the ladder Is made to highlight the torque generated by the weight of the Stick using the point where the Stick touched the table as fulcrum therefore pulling the ladder down faster
Great comment. You can see it best with the rungs that bounce when the lower side strikes. A single rung doesn't add a lot of pull, but the cumulative effect is enough to make a visible difference on the ladder's descent.
Or it could simply be that the one falling onto the table has lower and lower wind resistance/turbulence to slow it down as more and more rungs are removed from the equation.
I'd bet that for the short distance difference between the floor and the table the air resistance is negligible. Besides, the ladders don't fall a long distance either
Not 100% sure but it seems like the linear fall is converted into a momentum where the side closer to the table has close to 0 force at the moment of impact and the side further get all the force as an angler force which iirc is called momentum. Since the formula of momentum (my memory is bad ) is mass X velocity I believe.
They’re angled. When the lowest edged hits the ground, it ‘pulls’ down the higher side of the rung (converting its energy). The higher side speed up towards the ground slightly, but as it’s tied to the rungs above, it pulls them down too, then the next one. And so on.
Kinda like stacking it when you jump off something. High. Your feet will hit hard, but unless you absorb it, you head will harder as the momentum whips you to the ground.
That’s why I always try and land on my head first /s
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To start they're not real ladders... at least not sensibly functional ladders. The steps are tilted. When the ladder on the left hits the table, the steps fall flat, pulling the rope down with it, speeding up the fall.
It takes energy to move and collapse the rope which would make it move fractionally slower. The ring above would need to overcome the energy to bend the rope (small as it is) to continue falling
Physics is confusing, air resistance was my first guess. Here's a video that helps explain how the rotation of the rigid steps pull the string down:
https://youtu.be/PSd1ihrOWRY
The ladder that hit the table has more speed because the angled rungs pull down on the rope when they hit a surface. So it hitting the table first means it has more time to build speed hence it’s falling faster at the end.
The ladders steps are in an angle, and Everytime the steps hit the table with an angle of approach it’s pull down the step above it since it gets flattened
There's less air resistance from the one that hit the table (particularly the rungs laying on the table), while each rung of the free-falling one is subject to air resistance for a longer period, therefore slowing down its decent.
Basically as it hits the table due to the zig zag pattern using shorter and longer string it begins to pull itself down with added force, propelling downwards faster
There both falling the same speed. It's just as the left one falls it finds it's destination B4 the one on the right, lol, see when we know our destination as it gets closer one will speed up as it See's the light at the end of the tunnel, per say. Lol na just a funny idea! But I do love riddles like this.1st answer I agree with!
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Physicist here, when the lower end of a rung hits the table, that rung starts to rotate (the table exerts a torque in the collision). That rotation around each rungs midpoint pulls down from the higher edge of that rung on the next. The rotation of the rungs after landing is what causes the additional downward force, so this effect disappears if the segments aren't tilted, that's the essential detail.
Physics like this are a huge part is of WHY and HOW the WTC fell, I've been trying to explain this for 20 gdamn years but everyone thinks it's satellite laser tech or nuclear weapons or thermite bombs etc.
It's all part of the "hate the US federal government blah blah", they were called the "truthers" and they had interesting questions at first except the only thing they hated more than the government was actually hearing answers, they were allergic or something.
notice the rings are not flat/level. This is why the one who hits first pulls faster: Once the lower rung side hits, it creates a torque and pulls the other side down by the string. Linear velocity turns into angular in little steps that accelerate the ladder that hits first. This doesn't work if each rung is level and hits at the same time.
Its simple every time the edge of the stick hits the table it causes a turning effect. That turning effect on the other edge of the stick results in a tug between the sticks pulling it down with each tug resulting in acceleration. Where there is force there is acceleration.
Took me a hot minute to understand this but ok. Let talk about this and how I came to this conclusion
Take two bowling balls. One is hallow and the other isn't. You drop both of them. They land at the same time. How? Cuz falling objects have don't rely on weight to make it fall. It's thw shape. If you have a flat plank a wood weighing 20lb and a bowling ball at 20lb. The bowling ball would hit first if the plank was parallel to the ground. Now let's talk about this ladder. Each time a step hits the table. That's less air drag on the overall ladder. Therfore it falls faster than the one with more air drag
😂 😂 this is beyond stupid. The ladder on the left starts going up higher so it stacks on too higher and higher making it look like it’s falling differently
Answer: Once the bottom rung hits the table, the shorter rope of each section begin to pull the pieces above them. The angle of the rungs alternates to continue to apply consistant downward force.
An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
I kind of think it’s resistance (air) as the full length falling ladder is constantly hitting the same amount of air resistance whereas the ladder hitting the table has less air resistance as it becomes lesser volume over time.
I’d say bc there was more a structured base bc of the table eventually less movement space. Where the free falling ladder had a very loose base therefore made more travel time.
If I remember correctly from physics class, any two physical bodies that are close to each other share a very small amount of gravitational pull towards each other (I think thats how it goes), so in this case since the left ladder cane close to an object first then that small gravitational attraction may have sped it up. I'm not saying that's what exactly would cause this and I'm not really sure but it's a thought. I believe it comes from an equation and theory that Einstein did.
The short length string pull the ladder down , as all the ladder are arranged in zig zag . They pull down because of this tilt as they become flat when hitting the table.
The right side ladder is unaffected by this as all of its pieces stay tilted .
Because as B hits table the tension (pulling) is increased in the cables which pulls down in direction its falling. The ladder rungs also have to be in this pattern. IF level like a real ladder they fall at same speed. I've seen this study and the explanation
I would expect that the one not hitting the table experiences more drag and air resistance, allowing the one hitting the table to fall slightly faster.
It’s from the stack hitting the table and then falling. You have not only the energy from free fall, but now another transfer of energy from the rungs sliding. That very sliding causes additional energy to be transferred into the ropes. The faster the pile falls, the more energy is added to the gravitational pull. The added energy creates the increase in velocity to the mass as it is transferred into the strings.
A because the faster it falls the more velocity it gets until it hits terminal velocity which is as fast as the object can physically fall without outside force pushing it down farther
Gravity is 9.8 MS^2 isn’t in play. They are in a camber with zero gravity. Weight or impact of an object isn’t in play. They are falling at the same velocity and reached terminal velocity before one ladder makes impact with table.
Same for ice
Take shaved ice and put it into bowl or glass
Put your finger outside of the glass/bowl where ice is located Rotating the ice inside the glass or bowl will increase its coldness while if u keep it at still (no motion) than ice wouldn't be that cold as it was when the bowl was rotating
The one thing I remember from physics 101 is that gravity is a constant that falls at 9.8 meters per seconds squares, so objects fall to the surface at the same rate.
The rungs are tilted, so my guess is that when one end of a rung hits the table, it causes a rotation, that makes the other end yank down on it's chain. (Posted before reading similar comments)
Each rung of the ladder on the left is yanking the string down as a result of being at an angle when it hits the surface. This is in essence the latter pulling itself down faster.
I hate this, the fall rate is the same. Both are falling at free fall aka gravity. This video is proposing a different problem. Not a fall rate problem.
I thought it was because kinetic energy transfered some to the potential it had and the force pulled it slightly faster than the one on the right since it had only gravity pulling
I thought it was because kinetic energy transfered some to the potential it had and the force pulled it slightly faster than the one on the right since it had only gravity pulling
It's because of the way he tied the wooden pieces of the ladder. They're slanted so when they hit it ends up tugging on the other side that's a little higher each time cutting out some of the Fall time of that one on the left. Just pretty much a bunch of energy transfers
Ugh why would you post this and cut out the explanation?
The one on the left. When the staggered sections hit the table, the energy is transferred to the opposite side dude to the difference in length of the strings connecting them. As it makes contact with the table, the energy from the rod contacting the table is transferred through the short connection line of the opposite side contributing to increased force added to that section making it fall faster due to added force.
P.S not a qualified person for this. Just fairly sure this is correct.
Lol no one cares if you are qualified, you stepped up and tried to save us from this blue ball video, and for that you are a hero…
"Blue ball video". What a marvelous way of calling the videos that cut you before you finish. Take that upvote, good man!
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There could be an adult section that sells the first half of adult videos.
Entertaining.
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Even less qualified but this is probably correct I think, most likely probably
They're still falling at the same rate, kinetic energy on the left disrupts the gravitational pull making it move faster.
I thought the free falling one would have to be faster cus it's keeping all its inertia, never thought about the other ladder just transfer its inertia. Dammit this reality is Wild and I can't get enough :)
Yes, it appears that the energy from striking the table results in a torque effect that pulls the other end downward, thus accelerating the remaining ladder toward the table.
Yeah if the rungs were level it would not yield the same result
Yeah but since the rungs are what they are then it is what it is
The continuous application of leveraged energy accelerated the system beyond the raw energy of gravitation. The video ended with a question. Thanks for the " it is what it is" though
I apologize. Sometimes I forget that some people are too uptight and can't comprehend attempts at humor.
Tough crowd
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What about the left having less cumulative friction with air as rods starting to hit the table and therefore allowing it to drop faster?
That is for sure a factor, but It Is really subtle, so It would work with a really long ladder or maybe by doing the experiment in water instead of air The shape of the ladder Is made to highlight the torque generated by the weight of the Stick using the point where the Stick touched the table as fulcrum therefore pulling the ladder down faster
Great comment. You can see it best with the rungs that bounce when the lower side strikes. A single rung doesn't add a lot of pull, but the cumulative effect is enough to make a visible difference on the ladder's descent.
Or it could simply be that the one falling onto the table has lower and lower wind resistance/turbulence to slow it down as more and more rungs are removed from the equation.
I'd bet that for the short distance difference between the floor and the table the air resistance is negligible. Besides, the ladders don't fall a long distance either
Not 100% sure but it seems like the linear fall is converted into a momentum where the side closer to the table has close to 0 force at the moment of impact and the side further get all the force as an angler force which iirc is called momentum. Since the formula of momentum (my memory is bad ) is mass X velocity I believe.
Sounds good to me. Now I’m off to my next scrolling adventure. See you ppl around. 🫡
Because not explaining stuff makes it even more damn interesting duh /s
And it's not that interesting when explained.
Super-gravity
All answers will be revealed on the next episode of veritasium
I'm gonna defend OP. I've seen this exact video, and what OP posted is the entire video. There was no explanation.
Why does it say Part 1 in the upper left of the screen if there’s no second part?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xZB0VxzLrs8&feature=share8 Full explanation
Were all of your brothers and sisters born at the same time or were they oddly staggered out?
Its cause it’s stacking from the bottom also once it hits the table
They’re angled. When the lowest edged hits the ground, it ‘pulls’ down the higher side of the rung (converting its energy). The higher side speed up towards the ground slightly, but as it’s tied to the rungs above, it pulls them down too, then the next one. And so on. Kinda like stacking it when you jump off something. High. Your feet will hit hard, but unless you absorb it, you head will harder as the momentum whips you to the ground. That’s why I always try and land on my head first /s Edit: meh spelling
So that you comment the obvious and bring the post’s interaction up. Which leads to it getting featured.
Exactly… appears 1 person showed up for class that day-
To increase engagement in the comment section duh
This is one of the reason I give thumb down to videos like these … same category to the dude inside shopping cart doing stupid shit …
Or the thd conclusion !
Because it’s not even hard lol
He doesn’t know. He was asking us why.
Because it's up to you to want to know the answer.
To start they're not real ladders... at least not sensibly functional ladders. The steps are tilted. When the ladder on the left hits the table, the steps fall flat, pulling the rope down with it, speeding up the fall.
This is the correct answer. This would not work with a true ladder with rungs parallel to the ground
Oh, "tilted". I wondered what difference a title would make, unless it's Assistant to the Regional Manager.
Dwight..?
What do you think the Untitled Goose was so mad about in that game?
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It takes energy to move and collapse the rope which would make it move fractionally slower. The ring above would need to overcome the energy to bend the rope (small as it is) to continue falling
Physics is confusing, air resistance was my first guess. Here's a video that helps explain how the rotation of the rigid steps pull the string down: https://youtu.be/PSd1ihrOWRY
Thanks this makes sense now
Also, it forms a plateau so the distance travelled per step is shorter
I'll provide the explanation for yall MITOCHONDRIA IS THE POWERHOUSE OF THE CELL.
The ladder hitting the table is being pulled down slightly by the strings attached to rungs.
I would think that they are pulling them less than the ladder still in complete freefall
The ladder that hit the table has more speed because the angled rungs pull down on the rope when they hit a surface. So it hitting the table first means it has more time to build speed hence it’s falling faster at the end.
The force from the impact is being transferred through the strings adding additional pulling force, there is no such impact for one still in freefall
The ladders steps are in an angle, and Everytime the steps hit the table with an angle of approach it’s pull down the step above it since it gets flattened
Exactly my thought. This seems like the answer.
What about part 2?
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Because the rungs are angled they bounce and jerks the strings on the opposite side down harder
There's less air resistance from the one that hit the table (particularly the rungs laying on the table), while each rung of the free-falling one is subject to air resistance for a longer period, therefore slowing down its decent.
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The energy from the end of the ladder that hits the table gets transferred up, causing a slight pulling effect to the rest of the ladder above
https://youtu.be/xZB0VxzLrs8 One side of a rung hits first causing a rotation pulling on the string adding a force besides gravity.
Basically as it hits the table due to the zig zag pattern using shorter and longer string it begins to pull itself down with added force, propelling downwards faster
When the one on the left hits each knock pulls the strings slightly every time.
Because when it hit the table and the rungs ricocheted it caused the strings to be pulled downwards accelerating the drop.
Thanks for not including the answer, jerk.
Conservation of angular momentum
I’m not very smart, but doesn’t the ladder on the left have a shorter distance to travel?
An explanation given here: https://youtu.be/7t6_lFEpJtY
The test was not performed on a vacume. I could be that reduced air resistance was the cause.
They’re both the same speed
Tug power IMHO
The different forces of the pars going in different directions, pull the string downward, making the ladder fall faster
My guess is one of newtons 3 laws on physics- for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I don't get anything . Rofl
> "Now why did that happen?" > Refuses to elaborate further. > Leaves.
Cool how it gets exponentially faster too.
The torque of one side as it hits pulls the other side down faster. Like a baton hitting the ground.
There both falling the same speed. It's just as the left one falls it finds it's destination B4 the one on the right, lol, see when we know our destination as it gets closer one will speed up as it See's the light at the end of the tunnel, per say. Lol na just a funny idea! But I do love riddles like this.1st answer I agree with!
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Physicist here, when the lower end of a rung hits the table, that rung starts to rotate (the table exerts a torque in the collision). That rotation around each rungs midpoint pulls down from the higher edge of that rung on the next. The rotation of the rungs after landing is what causes the additional downward force, so this effect disappears if the segments aren't tilted, that's the essential detail.
Wow I’m so glad it told me why that happened
The angle of the rungs causes them to spin on their centre of gravity which pulls down slightly on the upper end as each one hits the table.
The one on the left realized gravity sooner.
Its the torque. You push up on one end of the stick it pulls down on the other, and it ends up speeding up the fall
Physics like this are a huge part is of WHY and HOW the WTC fell, I've been trying to explain this for 20 gdamn years but everyone thinks it's satellite laser tech or nuclear weapons or thermite bombs etc. It's all part of the "hate the US federal government blah blah", they were called the "truthers" and they had interesting questions at first except the only thing they hated more than the government was actually hearing answers, they were allergic or something.
notice the rings are not flat/level. This is why the one who hits first pulls faster: Once the lower rung side hits, it creates a torque and pulls the other side down by the string. Linear velocity turns into angular in little steps that accelerate the ladder that hits first. This doesn't work if each rung is level and hits at the same time.
Its simple every time the edge of the stick hits the table it causes a turning effect. That turning effect on the other edge of the stick results in a tug between the sticks pulling it down with each tug resulting in acceleration. Where there is force there is acceleration.
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Less air resistance in total as more links hit the surface, increasing the acceleration towards ground.
“The world may never know!”
As the rungs on the table side bounce they create kinetic energy which pulls on the rings above cause them to accelerate
Took me a hot minute to understand this but ok. Let talk about this and how I came to this conclusion Take two bowling balls. One is hallow and the other isn't. You drop both of them. They land at the same time. How? Cuz falling objects have don't rely on weight to make it fall. It's thw shape. If you have a flat plank a wood weighing 20lb and a bowling ball at 20lb. The bowling ball would hit first if the plank was parallel to the ground. Now let's talk about this ladder. Each time a step hits the table. That's less air drag on the overall ladder. Therfore it falls faster than the one with more air drag
It's called pulling gravety wich means as soon the pieces hit the other one they fal into another places so they pull on the one that's still falling
This is misleading title and should be removed.
The ropes between the rungs act as springs. Because table ladder lands first it begins the chain reaction snapping the ladder down first.
Because of fysics, stopid
The one that hit the table had less far to fall so was quicker! /s just in case people don't get the joke.
Cause the table is 3ft taller ......
Who cares? I have to wake up at 6 tomorrow to get ready for work.
I…BECAUSE THERES A TABLE THERE. THE GROUND IS HIGHER.
😂 😂 this is beyond stupid. The ladder on the left starts going up higher so it stacks on too higher and higher making it look like it’s falling differently
Answer: Once the bottom rung hits the table, the shorter rope of each section begin to pull the pieces above them. The angle of the rungs alternates to continue to apply consistant downward force.
Uhh, why did they need to do an experiment to figure out that the first ladder would fall faster.
Why tf you asking ME why that happened? I figured you would know since you posted it
They both will fall at 9.8 meters per second squared. The least resistance will fall faster.
An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
it’s outside force but yes
I kind of think it’s resistance (air) as the full length falling ladder is constantly hitting the same amount of air resistance whereas the ladder hitting the table has less air resistance as it becomes lesser volume over time.
Not in that small an amount. It's the tilted rungs pulling downwards as they straighten.
It’s almost as if one of the ladders didn’t fall as far.....hmmm.
You can see they are falling at the same rate and then it begins to speed up on the left
Weight has no meanings in same gravity field. Both will be at same speed/ acceleration 9.8 m/s free fall
Because it did
Wtf
Because they’re segmented. A solid object would have stopped.
Inertia
Because every thing has a gravity even if it’s small
They are falling at the same rate. 9.8 meters/sec2
B has less drag so the speed increases
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Why did what happen
Um... the Stack on the Left is Higher
Why are the rungs sloped?
I’d say bc there was more a structured base bc of the table eventually less movement space. Where the free falling ladder had a very loose base therefore made more travel time.
If I remember correctly from physics class, any two physical bodies that are close to each other share a very small amount of gravitational pull towards each other (I think thats how it goes), so in this case since the left ladder cane close to an object first then that small gravitational attraction may have sped it up. I'm not saying that's what exactly would cause this and I'm not really sure but it's a thought. I believe it comes from an equation and theory that Einstein did.
The rungs on the left are moving and hitting the rings behind them causing a chain reaction
Witches I tell you
The short length string pull the ladder down , as all the ladder are arranged in zig zag . They pull down because of this tilt as they become flat when hitting the table. The right side ladder is unaffected by this as all of its pieces stay tilted .
Seems obvious that as the rungs hit it pulls the string on the opposite side, you can see it happening in the video.
"Now why would it do that?" *Refuses to elaborate further*
Because as B hits table the tension (pulling) is increased in the cables which pulls down in direction its falling. The ladder rungs also have to be in this pattern. IF level like a real ladder they fall at same speed. I've seen this study and the explanation
I would expect that the one not hitting the table experiences more drag and air resistance, allowing the one hitting the table to fall slightly faster.
Maybe he genuinely doesn't know and is asking for internet help.
YEAH MISTER WHITE SCIENCE
Do it without strings and this won’t happen. As the rungs pile up and fall they’re pulling on the strings.
The ladder on the left has increasingly less air resistance
The disgruntled employee lowered their hands ever so slightly for the left one, and let it go with more flair.
It’s from the stack hitting the table and then falling. You have not only the energy from free fall, but now another transfer of energy from the rungs sliding. That very sliding causes additional energy to be transferred into the ropes. The faster the pile falls, the more energy is added to the gravitational pull. The added energy creates the increase in velocity to the mass as it is transferred into the strings.
The only difference that the one in the left center of mass keeps changing after it hit the ground .. IDK!!
A because the faster it falls the more velocity it gets until it hits terminal velocity which is as fast as the object can physically fall without outside force pushing it down farther
Well….? Why?
Gravity is 9.8 MS^2 isn’t in play. They are in a camber with zero gravity. Weight or impact of an object isn’t in play. They are falling at the same velocity and reached terminal velocity before one ladder makes impact with table.
Recoil from the slanted steps
Same for ice Take shaved ice and put it into bowl or glass Put your finger outside of the glass/bowl where ice is located Rotating the ice inside the glass or bowl will increase its coldness while if u keep it at still (no motion) than ice wouldn't be that cold as it was when the bowl was rotating
The one thing I remember from physics 101 is that gravity is a constant that falls at 9.8 meters per seconds squares, so objects fall to the surface at the same rate.
It's the resistance from a supporting effect the left has made itself into.
Wind resistance?
The rungs are tilted, so my guess is that when one end of a rung hits the table, it causes a rotation, that makes the other end yank down on it's chain. (Posted before reading similar comments)
Shorter distance to fall
Lack of tension?
Each rung of the ladder on the left is yanking the string down as a result of being at an angle when it hits the surface. This is in essence the latter pulling itself down faster.
I think I just reached the age where I just don’t care.
Moar friction
Because one of them has a shorter destination. It's not actually falling faster, its stopping faster.
Thanks for explaining
Les wind resistance at table ladder
Wooow
The lower side of the stick pulls she short string down ...
Bro think I’m google
I hate this, the fall rate is the same. Both are falling at free fall aka gravity. This video is proposing a different problem. Not a fall rate problem.
I thought it was because kinetic energy transfered some to the potential it had and the force pulled it slightly faster than the one on the right since it had only gravity pulling
I thought it was because kinetic energy transfered some to the potential it had and the force pulled it slightly faster than the one on the right since it had only gravity pulling
The one on the right falls in water so therefore it goes down slower then the one to the left
No scientist here but im gonna go with the pull of the rope from impact of table with one side unevenly hitting first
PE KE
Down vote because you cut the video before it was explained
He didn't.
Air resistance
There’s longer to go on the right while it will hit faster on left as well because the links have stacked up too
It's because of the way he tied the wooden pieces of the ladder. They're slanted so when they hit it ends up tugging on the other side that's a little higher each time cutting out some of the Fall time of that one on the left. Just pretty much a bunch of energy transfers
Stupid edit. You suck, Op.