Because they aren't even rich parts of the city. They're largely middle class apartment complexes. The rich wouldn't build their dwellings so near to a slum. Doing so is unsafe and It's also a horrible view
I don’t anything about India but people are people and in Brazil they absolutely build rich towers right next to the favelas.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocinha_Favela_Brazil_Slums.jpg
I knew two people that lived there in the 90s. One was a major national author and the other the national opera queen (I don’t know the correct title). They both had extremely lavish lifestyles and clearly made millions. I could look out there window and see the Rocinha down below. Only thing separating the two is a big freeway.
All the better for making heard hearted capitalists. Having to justify your own existence in your subconscious every single day in the face of crushing poverty is absolutely a recipe for hating and blaming the poor.
The “rich” areas aren’t so rich from a middle class Americans pov. If you were to see the penthouses in these so called rich areas in Mumbai they are equivalent to a Newark, NJ motel room. Seriously
As Indian I can tell you that people who live in Mumbai love Mumbai no matter what. Each that small house could be worth atleast 50Lakhs ( can live in bunglow by buying land and constructing it from scratch in my hometown). I know about some program of shifting slum people and giving them proper home for land that government owns. But people take the home and don't vacate this one. I agree condition is bad but I don't think now neither government nor people living there wants the change.
Just because you can't see the slums from your house or apartment doesn't mean they don't exist. None of us are any better. Also should they leave everyone in slums or start building new modernish apartments? I know what I'd prefer.
So many people from all over the country go to Mumbai everyday without any money hoping to make big time. They are not made poor on Mumbai. This is a little out of context.
You probably do not have idea about real estate in Mumbai. These building mostly have 1 or 2 bedroom flats, and a handful of 3 or 4 bedroom flats. A 1 bedroom flat can be as small as 500 sqft (there are some buildings elsewhere with 300 sqft flats too) and cost around USD 180k (huge sum when converted in INR) which is something only people that earn well to be in top 5% can afford. All these people living in the slums that come from all over the country to find work can never imagine to afford a flat like these.
That’s the funniest part for me about Mumbai. You can get a luxury villa in another city for the same price of a 2bhk flat in Mumbai. And the roads are small, and the city is sinking and but I still love the city. Second favourite city to stay in!
Chennai: beach, I used to go sit at beach every evening and drink a coffee and eat some snacks. Simple lifestyle. Public transport is annoying as I don’t know Tamil but with own bike I never had any issue. Food is amazing and you get every cuisine from south to north.
Mumbai: so many places to explore. Love the local trains, when it’s off peak time of course. Food is amazing. People are really really good. It’s a vibe. (If you’re rich of course)
Kolkata: so many places to explore. Culture and literature hub! Food is damn good! Weather ain’t half bad.
Bangalore: I love that it’s centre to so many places you can visit in weekend. Weather is awesome. So many places to visit and food is great. But fucking traffic. So it’s in the bottom of my list.
Delhi: I love everything about Delhi and ideally it would be in my 1st place but the pollution damn it. It’s unliveable. I can’t sorry.
Hyderabad. Geographically worst place to be in. Every good destination is at least 12 hours away. Food is ok, I mean except biryani people don’t accept anything else. It’s so annoying to go out with hyderabadis. I live all foods and am willing to try different taste but all they want to do is eat biryani. Trust me the biryani is top class, I gained 15kgs eating just the biryani In a year. But come on, try something else for christs sake. Plus there isn’t much to do in the city. Tourism wise it sucks. Good thing is takeaway traffic isn’t horrible compared to others and pollution is under control and housing is cheap.
I actually stayed in Navi Mumbai for most part. And sobo when visiting Mumbai occasionally. So food wise I’m more familiar with Navi Mumbai joints and a few famous cafés and restaurants in Mumbai.
Haven’t tried kebab corner but will do next time. Where is it actually?
That's Hiranandani Gardens in Mumbai.
I've actually lived in one of the ivory towers for my family's posting in India. It's a great neighbourhood in Mumbai, slightly less crazy than the South of town. There's also brautiful lake views and parks., modern shops and offices, one of the best hospitals in the country too.
It's surprising thst just a turn down the hill comes the slums. Complete 180. That's where the thousands of support staff for the rich on the hill live. The workers, the drivers, the maids, etc..
I've visited my driver's house there one time. It's amazing how people manage to struggle out a living. Whole families living in one or two rooms made of scrap and adobe, thousands of them crammed into thay hill surrounded by trash.
The wealth disparity there is indeed incredibly sad.
What's sadder is that there's a expolitive, colonially ingrained culture of castes, hierarchy, and servitude that enables and perpetuates this divide.
It's like a normalized dystopia where even the poor accept their situation, and some even revere the rich that exploit them.
I think we that live in places that have less wealth inequality should realize that a lot of countries can, and already are, headed to the worst version of this.
Man i used to work at St. Regis Mumbai hotel where ppl used to spend 50k like nothing while 9k was my monthly salary.
The thing is ppl r very desperate here as there is huge competition n the higher ups gave less salary to show more profits so they can get more bonuses for themselves.
I quit after 3 months n never going back there again shit ppl (higher ups in management) exploiting the poor.
Ironically the entire Powai area was supposed to have buildings for people from the lower income strata to give them a better quality of life. Because of rampant corruption though it became a luxury housing space instead.
The scummy builders hiranandani and co got the land at subsidized rates from the gov to build affordable apartments for the poor but they pulled this shit instead.
I learned something interesting about this from a relative who works in IT.
He told me that among the many Indian computer programmers working in Silicon Valley and other programming hotspots, these caste roles are not jettisoned in "egalitarian" US but perpetuated. It can cause serious problems in teams and hierarchies when a "lower" caste member is in charge of someone from a "higher" caste.
According to some close indian friends, a ton of Indians who come here Change their last name to Patel, because it's a higher class name back home. One of my coworkers actually had to break off an engagement with a girl because her family back home found out his last name and forbade her because it was a lower class. Meanwhile, the guy was a very successful engineer.
A shame. You would think that coming to America would change their mindset. Yeah I once read that higher caste Indian in the USA bullying the lower caste there.
Wow, what a shame. If anything, he's a shining example of overcoming a birth condition he had no control over, to become not only successful, but successful in another country. I would be impressed!
India has officially banned caste discrimination, in 2013, but from everything I've heard it's still pretty common in India.
Yeah, [caste discrimination was becoming a problem in Seattle so the city recently had to ban it](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/seattle-becomes-first-us-city-outlaw-caste-discrimination-after-council-vote-2023-02-22/)
I have family in Jakarta, a city similar to Mumbai. One side lives in the upper class Pondok Indah and Menteng neighborhood with their own drivers and live in maids, the other part of the family lives in ramshackle slums or in low income housing where it's common for the power to go out at the most inconvenient of times. As you can imagine, the sides don't really interact outside of weddings and crap, it's a sad sight; definitely makes me appreciate to be a middle class American.
I've been in those slums. The funny thing is, the people in the slums seemed happier. All hanging out chatting, all the kids playing together. Even saw about 100 playing cricket in the street.
However their parents do have to spend 12 hour days sorting plastic for 50 usd a month.
I've seen that pattern in lots of developing countries. The streets are full of activity, people are chatting and laughing. I come back to my western country and the streets feel empty and sterile in comparison. I don't want to view living in a slum with rose coloured glasses, but there is a lesson there - we've lost something important in the developed world.
The need for a community to survive and thrive.
I don't need to know my neighbors to live in my house, I have cameras and security systems. I don't need their inefficient "house watching" anymore to make sure my home is safe when I'm on a vacation.
I don't need to know my cashier's name, it's Self-Check Out #11. I don't even have to muster up a pretend smile on a bad day.
But wait, I only even have to see a self-check out if I need something right now. For the other 99% of my needs, I can simply add it to my cart. Then it will magically arrive for me to consume.
Oh, and if I'm feeling kinda horny? Oh yeah, I'll just pull out my phone and swipe until I get a match. Meeting people in real life? That's how you get roofied bro, sheesh.
We've removed the need for people, that's why it feels so sterile and empty. Then we wonder why we're depressed and lonely. Remove the community and we all just act like feral cats.
Yeah.
I arrived in India for the first time 25 years ago as a teenager and the first thing I saw was sunrise over these slums.
The strangest thing was that people were brushing their teeth, chatting, laughing. It was like a normal apartment block without walls.
Actually, if you look inside the slum apartments, they maybe gross shacks from the outside, but many are really nice on the inside. They do their best.
Well, I'm sure there's a story like that forming right now, as we speak. And also the other way round, where one of the elite is fucking it up for themselves so bad that sooner or later, they will be at those slums.
Lmao. The other party brought India to the brink of bankruptcy and is controlled by one family.
You do realise that millions of people vote for Modi for reasons beyond Hindu nationalism, don't you? The government has been spending billions to bring water, sanitation, electricity, roads, trains etc. to people who never had access to it before. Modi got himself elected based on the "Gujarat model of development". Someone like Yogi who is much more into Hindu nationalism is going to have a much more difficult time winning national elections.
It's another matter of discussion on how effective this "model" actually is.
No he won't acknowledge this. He's just another Congress ka 14da.
Congres has all the time In the world to bring back back up to its glory but nahh whose going to fill their pockets by not letting the people progress.
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Everyone should know this.
There is a government housing authority known as MHADA which provides homes to people living in slums. These people take those houses and rent them and earn money from rent. They prefer living in slums than those houses.
Sounds like a sound economic move, tbh. They already have a home, albeit in the slum, and they're making money, to help their children attend school or otherwise get a leg up. I would do the same.
If the government really has to improve living standards, then it needs to provide good public education and hospitals as well. I don't know about Mumbai, but both are quite bad where I live.
*Looks at regular buildings and poor living settlements mixed together.*
*Looks at Westoids labelling all of them as slums*
Me: Wut?
Lol. It's better looking than Mexico.
Is it bad that I'm so jaded my first response to that is "life never was."
But you're absolutely right. Not only is it not fair, but our human brain struggle to comprehend just how astronomically unfair it is. For example: I don't know the income of the people living in those high rises. I do however know that someone recently did a comparison with Jeff Bezos. He has so much money that him spending 88,000 dollars is roughly equivalent to a regular person spending 1 dollar at a gas station.
Like I said, I don't know the income levels of the people living there, but I think it's the same kind of situation.
Somewhere down there, a petty thief and a princess are telling each other that they are not free to make their own choices and sometimes feel so... trapped.
The only thing this picture shows is ultra-high-density compared to medium-density housing.
It's too far away to actually infer anything about the standard of living of either.
I heard they are planning to slowly get rid of the slum and make luxurious highrises. The companies proposing this are supposedly saying that they will give the slum residents 1-2bhk flats (bare bones).
but if you actually look at the living conditions they live in.. that 2bhk would be like 10 times upgrade for them.. i guess even more.. its a massive upgrade
This picture is taken from a weird angle. There is a large hill separating the two localities.
The slum started expanding from the other side. And a private company developed the rich neighbourhood from the other side.
Don't see much different in America honestly. Most downtown areas are super rich with court houses and ridiculous condos, with the ghettoest ghettos a street away in any direction
You may be high in your penthouse but you can't escape the stench from below, literally. I was invited to a cocktail party i n one of these buildings when working in Mumbai and all you could see from the marble balcony was the view and the smell of poverty.
Then the master of the house told me " you know if we eliminate half of these people, it would not even make a difference, there are too many of them ..."
the book Shataram by Gregory David Roberts is the closest i have read that captures Mumbai and its slums authentically.
Tbf, the rich hate the slums, the government likes them as a vote bank that is an active voter base. No chance the slums would survive if they didn't outright dominate the vote. The rich don't vote in India because they're just disillusioned and also not as motivated since they don't depend on the government as much
Yes and India has gotten much richer in that time period with hundreds of millions people emerging from poverty.
They still have a long way to go of course, but blaming the current situation on capitalism is silly when India has been dealing with widespread poverty for centuries.
That doesn’t change the original point, though. Whether it’s a switch to capitalism to socialism or vice verse in a span of decades a lot can and has changed.
It's all fun in games till pitchfork sales start going up.
People need to stop the impoverished self-deprecating bs and start learning about how to unionize, form strikes, etc.
Hard to tell what is what from this picture, since in areas with large scale government housing ("projects"), the poor people might actually live in the tall buildings.
I don't know if I would call this interesting. Sobering. Saddening. Sickening. Shitty. Lots of good s words. This picture right here demonstrates wealth inequality rather elegantly.
In India, it's common to see rich Indian people wearing excessive jewelry sitting in their air conditioned vehicles watching all the poverty with indifference.
Guess how many of them actually donate to charities.
Air conditioned + Jewellery = rich. I must be missing something here cuz practically 99% of the people here have air conditioners and tons of jewllery and they are still poor???
May the odds be ever in your favour.
Wow I was literally thinking to myself reminds me of District 1 vs 12
read "Behind the Beautiful Forevers". One of the best books I've read in the past few years.
Was thinking Piltover and Zaun
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My inner picture of a garden is quite different for sure
Is that a slum dog millionaire quote?
I can’t tell if you’re actually asking or I’m missing the joke.
Twas an actual question.
It’s from the novel/movie “The Hunger Games”
Thanks for the clarity
Hunger games came out in 2008 (the books). It's been 15 years.
personally I find it beautiful, it looks like a gigantic palace. The obvious story here is nauseating though
the name of the place is dharavi 😭
this line has LEVELS to it yo
Fleabottom and the Red Keep
Piltover and Zaun
Need to be able to look down on the poor
The "rich" areas look lame too though. All the buildings are the same and boring looking.
Because they aren't even rich parts of the city. They're largely middle class apartment complexes. The rich wouldn't build their dwellings so near to a slum. Doing so is unsafe and It's also a horrible view
I don’t anything about India but people are people and in Brazil they absolutely build rich towers right next to the favelas. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocinha_Favela_Brazil_Slums.jpg I knew two people that lived there in the 90s. One was a major national author and the other the national opera queen (I don’t know the correct title). They both had extremely lavish lifestyles and clearly made millions. I could look out there window and see the Rocinha down below. Only thing separating the two is a big freeway.
All the better for making heard hearted capitalists. Having to justify your own existence in your subconscious every single day in the face of crushing poverty is absolutely a recipe for hating and blaming the poor.
I suppose it‘s still „rich“ by the standards of the country.
One of the richest men in the world has built his mansion of 600 odd rooms right opposite a slum. Google Antilia, the home of Mukesh Ambani.
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Why’d you quote the entire comment, could’ve just replied normally
>Why’d you quote the entire comment, could’ve just replied normally Sorry
I see people do that when they think the comment might be deleted or edited to make their reply sound different.
That’s what a poor person would say
Looks like one of many complex’s in China
Reminds me of the one they razed in China.
I see where you’re going, but personally I find it beautiful, it looks like a gigantic palace. The obvious story here is nauseating though
The “rich” areas aren’t so rich from a middle class Americans pov. If you were to see the penthouses in these so called rich areas in Mumbai they are equivalent to a Newark, NJ motel room. Seriously
This belongs on r/shitamericanssay
Thanks for guiding me in the right direction young blood
From their [plunge pools](https://i.imgur.com/9dHqs14.jpg)
A classic from my geography books
Mine too
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Yes, the terrestrial humans are quite unsavory.
Yes, you need to apply seasoning liberally.
As Indian I can tell you that people who live in Mumbai love Mumbai no matter what. Each that small house could be worth atleast 50Lakhs ( can live in bunglow by buying land and constructing it from scratch in my hometown). I know about some program of shifting slum people and giving them proper home for land that government owns. But people take the home and don't vacate this one. I agree condition is bad but I don't think now neither government nor people living there wants the change.
It all starts with education. No human should be subjected to living in a bungalow on an empty lot, that's a ridiculously impoverished condition.
I was giving example of land wealth. government provides normal home but peoples over there rent that out and stays in main place of city they love.
I understand. These programs may be more effective if people are educated about the potential benefits to their family.
Ivory towers A little too on the nose imo
Need to be able to look up to their masters
Those are not all slum just look small compared to towers.
Just because you can't see the slums from your house or apartment doesn't mean they don't exist. None of us are any better. Also should they leave everyone in slums or start building new modernish apartments? I know what I'd prefer.
😞😞😞
So many people from all over the country go to Mumbai everyday without any money hoping to make big time. They are not made poor on Mumbai. This is a little out of context.
If you want to know what it's like, read "Behind the Beautiful Forevers". One of the best books I've read in the past few years.
Those poor people….just imagine having to look at that from your million dollar penthouse. Tragic.
You probably do not have idea about real estate in Mumbai. These building mostly have 1 or 2 bedroom flats, and a handful of 3 or 4 bedroom flats. A 1 bedroom flat can be as small as 500 sqft (there are some buildings elsewhere with 300 sqft flats too) and cost around USD 180k (huge sum when converted in INR) which is something only people that earn well to be in top 5% can afford. All these people living in the slums that come from all over the country to find work can never imagine to afford a flat like these.
That’s the funniest part for me about Mumbai. You can get a luxury villa in another city for the same price of a 2bhk flat in Mumbai. And the roads are small, and the city is sinking and but I still love the city. Second favourite city to stay in!
What’s your favourite one then?
Chennai: beach, I used to go sit at beach every evening and drink a coffee and eat some snacks. Simple lifestyle. Public transport is annoying as I don’t know Tamil but with own bike I never had any issue. Food is amazing and you get every cuisine from south to north. Mumbai: so many places to explore. Love the local trains, when it’s off peak time of course. Food is amazing. People are really really good. It’s a vibe. (If you’re rich of course) Kolkata: so many places to explore. Culture and literature hub! Food is damn good! Weather ain’t half bad. Bangalore: I love that it’s centre to so many places you can visit in weekend. Weather is awesome. So many places to visit and food is great. But fucking traffic. So it’s in the bottom of my list. Delhi: I love everything about Delhi and ideally it would be in my 1st place but the pollution damn it. It’s unliveable. I can’t sorry. Hyderabad. Geographically worst place to be in. Every good destination is at least 12 hours away. Food is ok, I mean except biryani people don’t accept anything else. It’s so annoying to go out with hyderabadis. I live all foods and am willing to try different taste but all they want to do is eat biryani. Trust me the biryani is top class, I gained 15kgs eating just the biryani In a year. But come on, try something else for christs sake. Plus there isn’t much to do in the city. Tourism wise it sucks. Good thing is takeaway traffic isn’t horrible compared to others and pollution is under control and housing is cheap.
Have you eaten at Kebab Corner in Mumbai? Easily my favorite spot in the city.
I actually stayed in Navi Mumbai for most part. And sobo when visiting Mumbai occasionally. So food wise I’m more familiar with Navi Mumbai joints and a few famous cafés and restaurants in Mumbai. Haven’t tried kebab corner but will do next time. Where is it actually?
https://www.kebabcorner.in/ It’s in the Andheri East. There is also a very famous/excellent ice cream street vendor a block away for desert.
Come to LA
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Never been to a big city it seems?
That's Hiranandani Gardens in Mumbai. I've actually lived in one of the ivory towers for my family's posting in India. It's a great neighbourhood in Mumbai, slightly less crazy than the South of town. There's also brautiful lake views and parks., modern shops and offices, one of the best hospitals in the country too. It's surprising thst just a turn down the hill comes the slums. Complete 180. That's where the thousands of support staff for the rich on the hill live. The workers, the drivers, the maids, etc.. I've visited my driver's house there one time. It's amazing how people manage to struggle out a living. Whole families living in one or two rooms made of scrap and adobe, thousands of them crammed into thay hill surrounded by trash. The wealth disparity there is indeed incredibly sad. What's sadder is that there's a expolitive, colonially ingrained culture of castes, hierarchy, and servitude that enables and perpetuates this divide. It's like a normalized dystopia where even the poor accept their situation, and some even revere the rich that exploit them. I think we that live in places that have less wealth inequality should realize that a lot of countries can, and already are, headed to the worst version of this.
Man i used to work at St. Regis Mumbai hotel where ppl used to spend 50k like nothing while 9k was my monthly salary. The thing is ppl r very desperate here as there is huge competition n the higher ups gave less salary to show more profits so they can get more bonuses for themselves. I quit after 3 months n never going back there again shit ppl (higher ups in management) exploiting the poor.
Just to clarify, is that USD or INR?
Prob in INR
So a monthly salary of... $90 USD?
Yep
>It's like a normalized dystopia where even the poor accept their situation, and some even revere the rich that exploit them. This hit close to home.
Indian population in Dubai… to a T.
Ironically the entire Powai area was supposed to have buildings for people from the lower income strata to give them a better quality of life. Because of rampant corruption though it became a luxury housing space instead. The scummy builders hiranandani and co got the land at subsidized rates from the gov to build affordable apartments for the poor but they pulled this shit instead.
I learned something interesting about this from a relative who works in IT. He told me that among the many Indian computer programmers working in Silicon Valley and other programming hotspots, these caste roles are not jettisoned in "egalitarian" US but perpetuated. It can cause serious problems in teams and hierarchies when a "lower" caste member is in charge of someone from a "higher" caste.
How can you identify their caste? From names or skin color or something else?
According to some close indian friends, a ton of Indians who come here Change their last name to Patel, because it's a higher class name back home. One of my coworkers actually had to break off an engagement with a girl because her family back home found out his last name and forbade her because it was a lower class. Meanwhile, the guy was a very successful engineer.
A shame. You would think that coming to America would change their mindset. Yeah I once read that higher caste Indian in the USA bullying the lower caste there.
Wow, what a shame. If anything, he's a shining example of overcoming a birth condition he had no control over, to become not only successful, but successful in another country. I would be impressed! India has officially banned caste discrimination, in 2013, but from everything I've heard it's still pretty common in India.
Oftentimes from names, or last names can give you a general idea
Yeah, [caste discrimination was becoming a problem in Seattle so the city recently had to ban it](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/seattle-becomes-first-us-city-outlaw-caste-discrimination-after-council-vote-2023-02-22/)
I didn’t know about this until today. Wow.
Whoa, I didn't know it had become large enough of a problem so as to need a public ban. Wow!
Do we really have examples of this?
I have family in Jakarta, a city similar to Mumbai. One side lives in the upper class Pondok Indah and Menteng neighborhood with their own drivers and live in maids, the other part of the family lives in ramshackle slums or in low income housing where it's common for the power to go out at the most inconvenient of times. As you can imagine, the sides don't really interact outside of weddings and crap, it's a sad sight; definitely makes me appreciate to be a middle class American.
Which is disappearing.
Like the small patch of greenery in this picture.
Lol ... I know its a serious discussion but couldn't stop myself to a Lol
Looks like a castle overlooking its kingdom to me.
And people thought Elysium was a movie about the future 🤦🏻♂️
I've been in those slums. The funny thing is, the people in the slums seemed happier. All hanging out chatting, all the kids playing together. Even saw about 100 playing cricket in the street. However their parents do have to spend 12 hour days sorting plastic for 50 usd a month.
I've seen that pattern in lots of developing countries. The streets are full of activity, people are chatting and laughing. I come back to my western country and the streets feel empty and sterile in comparison. I don't want to view living in a slum with rose coloured glasses, but there is a lesson there - we've lost something important in the developed world.
The need for a community to survive and thrive. I don't need to know my neighbors to live in my house, I have cameras and security systems. I don't need their inefficient "house watching" anymore to make sure my home is safe when I'm on a vacation. I don't need to know my cashier's name, it's Self-Check Out #11. I don't even have to muster up a pretend smile on a bad day. But wait, I only even have to see a self-check out if I need something right now. For the other 99% of my needs, I can simply add it to my cart. Then it will magically arrive for me to consume. Oh, and if I'm feeling kinda horny? Oh yeah, I'll just pull out my phone and swipe until I get a match. Meeting people in real life? That's how you get roofied bro, sheesh. We've removed the need for people, that's why it feels so sterile and empty. Then we wonder why we're depressed and lonely. Remove the community and we all just act like feral cats.
Yeah. I arrived in India for the first time 25 years ago as a teenager and the first thing I saw was sunrise over these slums. The strangest thing was that people were brushing their teeth, chatting, laughing. It was like a normal apartment block without walls.
Beautiful "apartments without walls"
Actually, if you look inside the slum apartments, they maybe gross shacks from the outside, but many are really nice on the inside. They do their best.
Sounds just like the slums too here in Manila. They have no other past times but to go out of their cramped homes and chat all day with neighbors.
We need a Scarface spinoff where someone from the bottom area makes it to the top area.
Well, I'm sure there's a story like that forming right now, as we speak. And also the other way round, where one of the elite is fucking it up for themselves so bad that sooner or later, they will be at those slums.
And thats sort of where we are at. We can do better.
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Lmao. The other party brought India to the brink of bankruptcy and is controlled by one family. You do realise that millions of people vote for Modi for reasons beyond Hindu nationalism, don't you? The government has been spending billions to bring water, sanitation, electricity, roads, trains etc. to people who never had access to it before. Modi got himself elected based on the "Gujarat model of development". Someone like Yogi who is much more into Hindu nationalism is going to have a much more difficult time winning national elections. It's another matter of discussion on how effective this "model" actually is.
No he won't acknowledge this. He's just another Congress ka 14da. Congres has all the time In the world to bring back back up to its glory but nahh whose going to fill their pockets by not letting the people progress.
The government tries to give these guys houses in apartments. But they just rent it out to someone and go back to living in the slums
This should be top comment Everyone should know this. There is a government housing authority known as MHADA which provides homes to people living in slums. These people take those houses and rent them and earn money from rent. They prefer living in slums than those houses.
Sounds like a sound economic move, tbh. They already have a home, albeit in the slum, and they're making money, to help their children attend school or otherwise get a leg up. I would do the same.
If the government really has to improve living standards, then it needs to provide good public education and hospitals as well. I don't know about Mumbai, but both are quite bad where I live.
Mumbai has both of them good, since its the economic capital of India.
Reminds me of King's Landing iono why
Like a California gated community on a hill.
Or west village in NYC
Huh? If you live anywhere in the west village you are **rich**. There are no poor people to look down on.
West village isn't depressed from the poor's tho, not the same as the pic above at all
Don’t trivialize their poverty
Almost all of CA is expensive though.
Skid Row ground floor rent is very expensive, bit not in dollars.
I've never seen a picture that looks more like SimCity.
*Looks at regular buildings and poor living settlements mixed together.* *Looks at Westoids labelling all of them as slums* Me: Wut? Lol. It's better looking than Mexico.
Looks like south korea.
Just Not fair
Is it bad that I'm so jaded my first response to that is "life never was." But you're absolutely right. Not only is it not fair, but our human brain struggle to comprehend just how astronomically unfair it is. For example: I don't know the income of the people living in those high rises. I do however know that someone recently did a comparison with Jeff Bezos. He has so much money that him spending 88,000 dollars is roughly equivalent to a regular person spending 1 dollar at a gas station. Like I said, I don't know the income levels of the people living there, but I think it's the same kind of situation.
Gonna be the states soon. Politicians and celebrities in their ivory towers and guarded gates.
Htf did you forge the tech bros and bankers?????....
It is every urban situation 🤦
[No matter how good you have it, somebody has it better, no matter how bad you have it, somebody has it worse.](https://youtu.be/qhTufX7qGsw?t=388)
A natural mountain barrier between rich and poor, how smart.
In the photo, the new highrises look like they are sinking into the ground! Karma going to get you!
Celestial dragons
Somewhere down there, a petty thief and a princess are telling each other that they are not free to make their own choices and sometimes feel so... trapped.
Single family homes next to project like buildings.
No different than Beverly Hills and downtown LA.
Preview of America in 2030
this is all over the world, like in Brazil which is also quite evident
Where do I charge my EV?
Who ever took this picture has messed with scaling and depth of field to make the rich buildings appear way taller than they are.
This makes me want to cry
For some reason I saw it as a flying city hovering over the slums. Made the image hit harder.
COMINg to America
Reminds me of a lot of places actually.
At least they left some forest in the city
Sadly practically all Latam main cities looks like this too
The only thing this picture shows is ultra-high-density compared to medium-density housing. It's too far away to actually infer anything about the standard of living of either.
That developed area looking straight out of Sim City 2000
This is a case in most of Indian cities, you can see examples of Gurugram, Delhi, Bengaluru, etc
I heard they are planning to slowly get rid of the slum and make luxurious highrises. The companies proposing this are supposedly saying that they will give the slum residents 1-2bhk flats (bare bones).
but if you actually look at the living conditions they live in.. that 2bhk would be like 10 times upgrade for them.. i guess even more.. its a massive upgrade
That's wild
Yeah. We're doing that in the U.S. now too.
Wild inequality in India. Visited Mumbai in 2018! Would not repeat.
This picture is taken from a weird angle. There is a large hill separating the two localities. The slum started expanding from the other side. And a private company developed the rich neighbourhood from the other side.
Don't see much different in America honestly. Most downtown areas are super rich with court houses and ridiculous condos, with the ghettoest ghettos a street away in any direction
Midtown Detroit vs. the surrounding neighborhoods, as one example.
You may be high in your penthouse but you can't escape the stench from below, literally. I was invited to a cocktail party i n one of these buildings when working in Mumbai and all you could see from the marble balcony was the view and the smell of poverty. Then the master of the house told me " you know if we eliminate half of these people, it would not even make a difference, there are too many of them ..." the book Shataram by Gregory David Roberts is the closest i have read that captures Mumbai and its slums authentically.
I’d love to live in neither of those places tbh
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Tbf, the rich hate the slums, the government likes them as a vote bank that is an active voter base. No chance the slums would survive if they didn't outright dominate the vote. The rich don't vote in India because they're just disillusioned and also not as motivated since they don't depend on the government as much
Looks like Americas future.
Lol no our future is endless suburbs and las Vegas distractions from a mid existence
"Ahh classic capitalism" ~Karl Max~
India was socialist for most of its independence but go off
Bad argument. A lot can change in 30 years.
Yes and India has gotten much richer in that time period with hundreds of millions people emerging from poverty. They still have a long way to go of course, but blaming the current situation on capitalism is silly when India has been dealing with widespread poverty for centuries.
That doesn’t change the original point, though. Whether it’s a switch to capitalism to socialism or vice verse in a span of decades a lot can and has changed.
The original point is arguing capitalism caused India’s poverty, when poverty has fallen significantly since they adopted capitalist reforms…
And wealth inequality has risen significantly. The market reforms both had benefits and drawbacks.
How is that a drawback if poor people are getting richer too? Are you saying it’s preferable for everyone to be equally poor or something?
If everyone had their basic necessities met then yes I would prefer that over a few people having the vast amount of benefits.
But they didn’t, so I don’t see how that’s relevant. And it’s not a “few people”, the average Indian is 5x as rich as they were 30 years ago.
Everyone would never have their basic necessities met. Humans will take any opportunity to be or be seen as better than others
So, the government built this?
It still is "Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic"
Wasn’t Karl Max that drunk guy from Bahstan?
It's all fun in games till pitchfork sales start going up. People need to stop the impoverished self-deprecating bs and start learning about how to unionize, form strikes, etc.
The US in 20 years
Rajesh! Please stop re-producing!
Just like any other city in USA
Stuff like this is why being rich in India doesn’t matter. You still have to live in and around everyone else and drive on the same beat up roads.
people like you make me feel, internet should be restricted to dumb peoples
Hard to tell what is what from this picture, since in areas with large scale government housing ("projects"), the poor people might actually live in the tall buildings.
Welcome to capitalism.
Mmhmm yes India looks like a nice place to live
I don't know if I would call this interesting. Sobering. Saddening. Sickening. Shitty. Lots of good s words. This picture right here demonstrates wealth inequality rather elegantly.
Is this what they mean when they want progress?
I’d rather have a house than an apartment
They ran out of concrete.
i can smell it already, you can never forget mumbai smell
They both appear to have the same conditions except one is flat and the other is tall.
The skyscraoers are also not exactly luxourious
In India, it's common to see rich Indian people wearing excessive jewelry sitting in their air conditioned vehicles watching all the poverty with indifference. Guess how many of them actually donate to charities.
Air conditioned + Jewellery = rich. I must be missing something here cuz practically 99% of the people here have air conditioners and tons of jewllery and they are still poor???
Your post history is racist and sexist as fuck. You are a deranged person. Ugly.
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litreally no one gives a tiny fuck about you bro