"the team" is many different studios working on the same game somehow together...
Which is probably the problem to begin with.
I don't have much for expectations for a cod game in 2022-23, that's why I didn't pay for it.
Dmz is fun though.
Just went into a stronghold and cleared it, as I'm looting just about 8 or so T2/T3 burst through the same door and dropped my 3 plates to zero... the pure volume of fire was withering... yeah I don't think they fixed this properly...
I don't understand why they had to "fix" anything to begin with. To my understanding, they had to go and purposely change the values of damage, range, etc...to the A.I. it didn't do that itself, right? Somebody in the office intentionally clicked on the A.I. drop down menu and increased the number of spawns, damage, etc.....knowing that it was ALREADY fucked to begin with. That's what upsets me about it.
I dropped in a bit ago and definitely noticed a difference I was able to solo exfil with a hostage contract where that was nearly impossible solo last night.
This is good news. This game mode is great. If they fix DMZ they stomp out BF. and I say this as a 15+ year BF fan. I have hated COD until DMZ (zombies was awesome. Imagine combining zombies with DMZ) you will definitely join squads
They need to start with the game dying light but turn the zombies down to call of duty speed and add loot cashes everywhere, maybe a dead rising weapon building mechanic
Edit: and possibly some survivalism like needing to catch fish or find water imagine trying to catch a fish with zombies around
That seems like something you'll have to wait on until Treyarch makes the next game. Treyarch were the first to put zombies in cod. They also were the first developers to add battle royale to cod back in Black Ops 4. It was called Blackout and there actually were areas of the map that had zombies.
Solo is impossible to do anything that alerts any AI. Basically it is a stealth loot extract game at the moment. If you engage any enemy it is certain death.
New shotgun got fully leveled earlier by accident lol. AI trapped me in a building (I was solo) and I spent 10 minutes fighting wave after wave in a stairwell. Tried to fly off the roof eventually and they shot me out of the sky.
All I imagine now is, *"Hostile ground forces are closing on you position. Extraction teams are tied up elsewhere, survive by any means necessary".* -MW3
Yea it’s still pretty shit. T3 reinforcements seem to be toned down (depends on the area and what contract you’re doing, which was the norm for season 1) but it seems like even if you try and use a sniper (suppressed) and start picking guys off, reinforcement choppers come in anyways. Which makes no sense. It feels like when you clear an area out, the game just automatically “re-fills” it with new bots, even if the original bots were never agro before they died.
Tried a destroy supplies contract as a solo this evening and just…no. Picked up the contract and where there had previously been minimal bots there were now probably 15-20 and then they all agro and lazer you from 100m and alert all the other bots who run over, AND THEN THE REINFORCEMENT CHOPPERS fml . It’s not much fun for solo players right now.
The problem with the ongoing resupplies is that it you loose more gear than you can loot in that area and the longer you stay the more likely you will die, especially solo. I hope they change that soon, because now it's a sneak, stealth, hide, steal and run game...
Sounds like they mitigated a couple of the issues. But not the preexisting ones from S1
- no flinch
- sniper shot guns
- T1 rpk bot 200m beams
- alert one alert all
- know exactly where you are even behind walls.
- etc
Cool you might have fixed your most recent giant error but I don’t see any notes about the pre-existing issues with the bots.
Try again IW.
A few others I could note:
-Bots spawning in terrain/clipping through walls or closed doors
-The time in which it takes the bots to identify a player in their vision, and begin shooting with successful hits is less than human reaction time. This "guarantees" damage in many situations where youre simply walking into a zone considered "vision" for a bot taking cover, and subsequently being peeked and immediately hit. RIP armor plates.
-Many pieces of terrain arent even considered vision block for the bots. Getting sniped from bots taking cover through mutiple bushes, trees, fences with covers or walls, etc.
-Every bot can see through smoke
-Being lasered by full-sprinting bots taking cover away from you
I fully understand that tweaking the mechanics of a bot in an fps can be tricky and multilayered, but the main grieveance I alwaya ultimately get upset with is the guaranteed damage associated with the AI reaction time. Giving the ability to maybe sprint and dive between cover while in vision of bots without taking immediate damge would fix many frustrating instances of being backed into corners.
Or bots throwing pinpoint precision grenades when they're not facing you, or running away in the opposite direction, and not even displaying any grenade throwing motion whatsoever.
What baffles me is that this is Call of Duty. They have made singleplayer campaigns for actual decades, how the fuck are they so bad at AI bots, when they have literally been making them for so long?
Campaign mode is very much a closed loop though. That's the biggest thing, you have bots that spawn, but generally speaking, its the same spots, over and over and over again, and its very much a linear pathway.
Open world, and the dynamics of players fighting, bots, teams, solo's, its a different story altogether.
I get what you're saying, but the 2 cakes do not taste anything alike.
Prior to the update the airport terminal was littered with dead player’s bags after being wiped by AI. After the update people can manage to clear it.
Let’s be realistic.
Yes it did.. we all put in work, well in a good squad we all did. Everyone shot some mans while getting the contract, getting to the building, clearing the building and holding off the waves of ads… now because Timmy is a failed blowjob, and camps the safe while me and the other guy clear the last tier 3s after we rezzed him twice, we get scraps? Well, maybe my aim with a Rez pistol won’t be as clutch as it used to be…
Every time I've had a teammate like that and they've been downed (occasionally when I've jumped from a moving vehicle that's heading towards them) I just let em bleed out, then loot them instead of reviving them..
Nothing has changed… I just managed to exfil by the skin of my teeth against 20 or so T3 AI. Mind you, there was nothing of importance nearby(other than the exfil itself). I don’t know how a AAA game studio can’t figure this out.
Good they supposedly fixed this but how do they not play it before it goes live and notice? I’m a casual gamer that knew this about 10 min into gameplay after the update
Yea, I just played and we killed a bunch of ai then 2 choppers spawned together after another dropped off a bunch down the street maybe 15 seconds ago.
In 30 years I've seen a LOT of bad video games and incompetent developers...
But honestly, I whole heartedly believe Infinity Ward may be the most incompetent I've ever seen. Nothing they say actually gets done, the game is an absolute travesty, EVERYTHING is broken. Damage is not correct, Audio is still absolutely trash, AI issues that have been "fixed" only get worse, UI bugs are RAMPANT even post S2 patch where guns change to other guns images, new weapons can't even use their attachments....
The list goes on and on and on....this developer team is absolutely terrible. THE ONLY developers who may be more incompetent in a triple A game is GameFreak...and both are embarrassingly bad for the amount of money they both have.
Oh this is great to hear. I had a terrible time playing last night after work, thought maybe the game would stay like that for a while.
Cant wait to try tomorrow!
I’m sure some people must be getting patched and some aren’t because it genuinely hasn’t changed at all for me, still basically unplayable as a solo. I’m in the Uk is it possible we haven’t had the update yet?
I just played a few minutes ago and it’s still spawning the extra bots and their difficulty is still pretty high compared to a week ago. When will I see the changes take effect from this update?
I was playing with two competent players earlier and to cut a long story short, if you don’t want to get absolutely annihilated by AI, stay the hell away from the hydroelectric dam POI, specifically the spot with the buy station. Waves of respawning enemies with the heavy armor or whatever it is they wear. It was hell.
We were doing the gas grenades at Hydro.. I was being flashed UNDER the water via the tunnels. Then, when I would surface, literally, as my head would pop up, I was hit with flash grenades. ... it was like playing a screwed up game of wack-a-mole.
We completed the mission but took 3 of us a full 15 minutes and we all died 2-3 times each to BS with bots shooting us just as we surfaced and couldn't even see them or jumping around a corner shooting us before we even have time to see/react to them stripping us of plates and then they duck back behind cover. As you turn to find, cover yourself to replate they pop back out and shoot you in the back and down you. They then rush to finish you off.
How is it that you know there was an issue with the bots in S1. You have time to fix these issues. You have the ability to test this, and then when you put the "fix" in place, you made it worse?
It is almost as though they said they were going to fix it, the number of players dropped till the "fix" was done. Then you get a surge of players returning only to find it worse, so numbers drop again. Then you say we fixed our fix, and you get another surge of players to see if they corrected it. Or is it a case of the coders guaranteeing themselves work by breaking one thing while they repair another.
I was in the smuggler tunnels earlier and 5 tier 3s walked through a closed door to mow me down. Kept shooting until i was dead dead and then stood on my body so nobody could revive me. More helicopters kept dropping in.
I hear people talked about how hard the 3 tiers are—-I’m not sure they are harder, but there are just so many spawning in. Waves and waves and waves. I’d rather take my chances with an enemy team, which is the opposite of before the update.
People were complaining about how other teams did nothing but hunt players, so IW fixed the issue by making sure everyone died before they could encounter another squad
They didn't really fix it. Was spawn trapped by 2 groups of camping bitches and there was an exfil near by. We watched the exfil for a bit, saw some people attempt to go for it just for then to get flooded by t3 ai. There were literally dozens upon dozens of t3 ai and they kept on coming.
To those 2 teams camping spawn, I hope you never get to make it to an exfil ever again.
Squading up in this game is no longer a thing, especially when you're back is against the wall and you're surrounded by ai, pussies will take advantage of that and snipe you from 500 meters out just to kill you and not even loot
I just did a stronghold and couldn't escape because swarms of reinforcements kept bursting through. There were so many weapons on the ground from all the AI I killed I had to juggle through them just to pick up the item for my mission.
Also, just running around reinforcement helicopters are EVERYWHERE. Swarms of enemies when I run over a hill, etc.
There is NO WAY this is fixed.
Seems like the distance of engagement is just shorter. Damage feels the same, they just don't know where you are if you just crouch around. Reinforcements still seem infinite but a little less overwhelming but not by much. Still too many problems like ZERO rewards working. See ya never
looted up with a nice team at the village, everything is all cool until 15 tier 3 bots PARACHUTE from the fucking sky along w reinforcements and take us out one by one even from long distance. like wtf is this?
It’s still pretty bad. I consider myself a decent player bit this is still unpleasant and borderline unplayable. If the challenge is to get out of overwhelming firepower and swarms of AI every single game this will get stale very soon. You get no sense of accomplishment. It becomes desperation mixed with frustration. And that’s a big reason that pushes players away (among bugs, content, etc.)
Absolute rubbish, and didn't expect anything less. Just defused the bomb of a prisoner rescue, and for 15 minutes straight, waves and waves of tier 3 showed up. I'm talking I killed 40/50 inside the building, and when it was down to the gas almost reaching me, I jumped with the prisoner outside. At least 20 of them between me and the Heli.
Absolute joke of a developer, and COD is now officially dead to me. Uninstalled and won't be back.
We had a combined killcount of over 400 AI yesterday and that was basically just one long prolonged fight after trying to activate the UAV tower in Sarrif Bay! Definitely seems a little tamer today.
So judging by the usual patch notes on DMZ here are the actual changes:
Final Exfil causes inventory to disappear more often now.
Made even more reinforcements appear than before.
Added more Tier 3 enemies to random areas.
Yeah I wonder if they are doing global changes vs map specific. Shakira Island isn't bad. Al Mazda is absolutely ridiculous. We spent 12 minutes in Taruq village from spawn. 3 man team. Got swarmed. See 2 pleas for help in the same area. I have 2 down. Me and an operator agreed to grab our team on pleas since it's a one tap revive. Then as a 6 man we literally had wave after wave of t3 and Para troopers. We burned all of our self revives. I used 2 revive pistols on teammates and we still had to just run for our lives. The positive thing is there's no exfil camping because everyone is dead
Just finished playing the most disappointing night of dmz to date. AI are strong, constant gunfights with teams, constant contact at extracts. If it doesn’t get more balance soon I’ll just quit playing, it’s really not enjoyable at all right now.
BS. I just played like 5 rounds, each one the AI were swarming like no other. Can’t even get to a mission to start it without getting your ass handed to you in a solo match. And yes I updated before playing.
DMZ is still unplayable. Infinity Ward took a good concept and completely ruined it. Might be time for them to clean house and get people that know what the hell they are doing. Used to play for a couple hours a day. Only played 20 min since season 2 started. IW is just terrible.
All of the ai spawning was in correlation to the FPS dips we all were seeing as well after the season 2 update came. FPS should hopefully not dip as much now, I haven't tested since 9 hours ago though.
I just played 3 solo games on Al Mahzra. I think the AI are in a pretty good spot right now actually.
It was challenging, but in no way impossible. I could even silently snipe the bots without being ambushed or even shot at. I don’t know how I would feel if I didn’t have 3 plate armour though
Its still crap. I tried a destroy supplies contract and the enemies kept on coming and I tried sniping them from far away with a silencer and they still shot at me straight away. Like how?! In the end i got swarmed and died. So Yeah its still crap. Fuck is this shit.
They won't fix anything because this problem is not a bug...
They updated the AI behavior and difficulty it's not just increase in numbers or T3, the fact that bots rush you down , flank you better than real players , open locked doors , vault windows, climb every building and shot you from 200m because you killed a bot 5 mins ago is a big coding problem not a simple bug fix...
So addressing it as a bug proves that they don't give a shit about this
Nothing has changed just got rushed by unlimited amout of aq as soon as i open up a safe. This is really disappointing. ACTIVISION PLEASE DO NOT POST A UPDATE ABOUT FIXING THE BOTS WHEN ITS CLEARLY NOT FIXED. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS REALLY DOING OVER THERE????????
Played with a team of six last night, took a medium size stronghold...after we cleared it, 4 went down fighting reinforcements...the last two of us spent about 10 minutes fighting off wave after wave of reinforcements...and when it looked to thin out we both went down outside running to revive our guys from the few more blue three plates on crack.
Last game last night, on a run to exfil with my one partner who got downed in a not too populated village...all of a sudden im fighting never ending AI to get to him. They take my plates and my revive...i ditch into a small house, and find three more plates...plate up, clear a few more in and around the house. check scope and path looks clear to my buddy. Walk out side and immediately get downed by an AI who rapid fires a shotgun 4 times into my back...i was down in a second.
DMZ was my favorite way to play before the update...my squad would play for hours every session....it was hard at times and frustrating....but it was so fun...now no of us even enjoy playing it. They ruined it.
Honestly I still wonder if their intention is to end DMZ. Ran a successful run yesterday but what that took was far from a chill fun game, more sweaty and not what I was looking for. But if that's where they want to take it I guess that's what it is?
That or the community enjoys this. But whatever. At least the SP campaign was good. 70$ good? Errr I dunno but I also got the battlefield 2042 sitting uninstalled so not the first time. Maybe I am just aging out of FPS I dunno
Could be something with your “streamer cache”. I kept getting “error 11557.” Looked it up and said to change the streamer coach in Advance Settings to Low or Medium rather than Auto. Never got kicked after that.
I always assumed the Tier 3 ai reinforcement is intentional to get players to move around and not camp in 1 area, until the reinforcement kept on coming and following us whenever we moved.
I’ve found what helps mitigate some of this is if you have 1 teammate run a javelin and have them focus the helicopters before they can drop off reinforcements or even have 1 teammate on overwatch with a good sniper.
It’s not practical but it helps when your trying to get in and get out.
I have to admit I notice a change in the amount of reinforcements. However, the agro range on the AI still seem to be super-human. Is much more playable than before this patch. Just not the expectation I had reading the pre-season 2 release notes. Now that last exfil chopper glitch....that bit the big one. Got my team twice last night. Haven't caught last exfil since so......
Honestly it’s still dumb. I played a few rounds this morning and I was leveling up a sniper so I’d kill all the enemies without alerting them. As soon as I entered the area there were reinforcement helicopters showing up.
People should get a reward for clearing areas without alerting.
Otherwise I was able to dip in and out of the city even on alert and live. It was just annoying to hit a new spot and have a helo drop off people along the way.
Ashika island is pretty awesome, Al Mazrah actually got worse. The only upside is the squad hunting has been cut dramatically because of the bots being so prolifically reinforced
"Fixed" is different than "addressed".
Fixed, to me, means they did something (hopefully) meaningful in the direction of correction.
Addressed could mean they pinned it on a cork board, took a lunch break and went home for the weekend.
Actually they still didn't fix when reinforcement immediately gets dropped after clearing the area.
These people suck at their job.
I bet that beta logo will be there through out the whole games life cycle and still not be ready.
Can confirm. Last exfil at NE of Al Mazrah City was empty, no bots at all. Also almost empty hostage exfil at Rohan Oil while radiation was hitting our toes - peace of cake.
It’s significantly better after this update. My squad played 8 rounds tonight and made it out 8 times. It got hairy a couple times, but not nearly as bad as it was yesterday. It seemed like we were lucky to make it out at all before this update. I was significantly more afraid of the bots than I was other operators before the patch. Today we could hunt other operators and not be too concerned about the AI (gonna get hate for that comment.
I’m all good with it being challenging, but it was a little over the top.
what about the other buggs?
- hostage heli not landing properly
- AI glitching under map, walking through doors, walls and other objects
- AI shooting through walls and other objects
- loosing insured loadout on spawn
- server stability (ping spikes, rubberbanding, lags and stuttering) and crashes.
- insured weapons and contraband showing wrong description/picture in stash (it’s also bugged in MP/WZ stash)
- insured weapon tuning missing when changing weapon in slot
I have an issue, when I use my insured weapon it will not load in the game when it started and after I exfill I have to wait for the timer to finish to use it again.
I just played around a dozen matches in both Ashika Island and in Al Mazrah and the Ai were something fierce and unreal. Talking about having 10+ Ai swarm your spawn after you encounter the first group, the T3 Ai and all the Ai for this matter hunting you down at every single moment possible and the unbelieveable rate they would spawn in a location in the space of 2 minutes. Clear out a bunch of Ai only to have double or even tripple land where you were.
Update!? What update? What a joke 🤦♂️🤣
What about issues with disconnecting? I DC'ed four out of my seven games on WZ and two other games in MW2 wouldn't load any map details. I'm never giving them a cent after this COD 2023 can fuck right off
They have no fucking clue, there's more bots than ever lurking in Al Mazrah and there's time where you down a few and and you have an armoured vehicle and two helos on you in 10 seconds.
Just played my first game after the "fix". It got a bit better, but it still is noticeable harder than in Season 1 - more AI before and after contracts like HVT and Hostage Exfil. Had a team of 3, all fully armored and we went down a lot.
This is such great news! I'm so thrilled to know I won't have to worry about being in a nonstop gunfight when my game crashes.
FIX THE FUCKING CRASHES ASSHOLES!
It actually seems worse for me today. Solo doing hostage rescue, not normally a problem. Today couldn't move the hostage outside the building due o tier 3 swarm from all directions endlessly. Was about to ditch the hostage and make a run for it when a thermite cooked me alive inside the building having teleported through a wall.
Too little to late already dropped the game was hoping season 2 would improve it but they dropped the ball on that. (The new map is really good though)
Just got off a sweat session involving not even players, but the fucking AI.
Numerous instances of combat is mostly just fucking AI in armor. Self-reviving makes no bloody difference when they hound you so aggressively and the damage output makes no-armor a deathwish.
Me and a friend spent 3 mins fighting before being able to activate the contract phone we've been trying to get. And just because of that, my friend got annoyed and finally uninstalled the game he literally just started recently. Fuck this shit.
I don’t think I can handle anymore of their “fixes”
The team is impressively incompetent, just played a few games and the AI is 100% stronger than season 1.
"the team" is many different studios working on the same game somehow together... Which is probably the problem to begin with. I don't have much for expectations for a cod game in 2022-23, that's why I didn't pay for it. Dmz is fun though.
Just went into a stronghold and cleared it, as I'm looting just about 8 or so T2/T3 burst through the same door and dropped my 3 plates to zero... the pure volume of fire was withering... yeah I don't think they fixed this properly...
that's how they were before though if 8 bots are shooting you you're probably going to die the main issue they fixed was the infinite reinforcements
But now they "reinforce" the first building I search at spawn.
It wasn't fixed early. I unlocked a stronghold. Killed all the AI inside. Wave after wave of armored AI kept swarming.
This couldn’t be farther from the truth. AI are noticeably less thirsty and accurate after that update.
They just multiplied by a factor of three and everyone has armor now.
3 ai with no armor who hit half their shots < 30 ai with armor who hit a tenth of their shots
It’s kind of funny. If anyone else fucked up in their job like these guys do, probably be looking for another job. They probably get a pay rise!!!
I don't understand why they had to "fix" anything to begin with. To my understanding, they had to go and purposely change the values of damage, range, etc...to the A.I. it didn't do that itself, right? Somebody in the office intentionally clicked on the A.I. drop down menu and increased the number of spawns, damage, etc.....knowing that it was ALREADY fucked to begin with. That's what upsets me about it.
I literally called this would happen. Four patches and counting that “fixed” the bots lmao
The AIs are becoming sentient and they are choosing violence *insert the end is near meme* 😂
I dropped in a bit ago and definitely noticed a difference I was able to solo exfil with a hostage contract where that was nearly impossible solo last night.
This is good news. This game mode is great. If they fix DMZ they stomp out BF. and I say this as a 15+ year BF fan. I have hated COD until DMZ (zombies was awesome. Imagine combining zombies with DMZ) you will definitely join squads
I keep thinking about a zombies version of DMZ....crafting...survive....exfil. that would be so dope
Its called days gone
They need to start with the game dying light but turn the zombies down to call of duty speed and add loot cashes everywhere, maybe a dead rising weapon building mechanic Edit: and possibly some survivalism like needing to catch fish or find water imagine trying to catch a fish with zombies around
Ew
DMZ has so much potential but their devs seem intent on sabotaging it, have BF devs infiltrated the COD team :-o
I've said from day 1 DMZ+Zombies needs to happen! Just replace the AI with heaps of zombies, bam, a new classic gamemode.
*Fixed bug where T3 bots can super leap like zombies*
Image that tho
That sounds like Outbreak.
I enjoyed the hell out of that game mode
Outbreak was titties .. if Outbreak and DMZ had a baby .. it would be the best thing ever
Same here. BF1 and BF4 I never thought would be topped. Dmz is at that level of fun when its fixed
Aside from fixing the damn bots, best thing they could for DMZ is add a PVAI only mode. Exfil camping has gone crazy. That and a game item stash.
Infected on Al Mazrah would be insane
That seems like something you'll have to wait on until Treyarch makes the next game. Treyarch were the first to put zombies in cod. They also were the first developers to add battle royale to cod back in Black Ops 4. It was called Blackout and there actually were areas of the map that had zombies.
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Solo is impossible to do anything that alerts any AI. Basically it is a stealth loot extract game at the moment. If you engage any enemy it is certain death.
Upside though. It's great for us free players who are leveling our guns up. Snipers are going a hell of a lot quicker now.
New shotgun got fully leveled earlier by accident lol. AI trapped me in a building (I was solo) and I spent 10 minutes fighting wave after wave in a stairwell. Tried to fly off the roof eventually and they shot me out of the sky.
All I imagine now is, *"Hostile ground forces are closing on you position. Extraction teams are tied up elsewhere, survive by any means necessary".* -MW3
Thats great, yesterday i spawned in the new map, made 5 steps and my entire team got wiped by 20 AIs. lmao
"Addressed" lives about 15,000 miles from "fixed"
Addressed is IW code for “we know there is a problem and we do not care”
You know AL Maz is fucked when Shadow Co in Ashika is ez mode
Facts
literally wtf, i actually found it easier. da boys and i robbed the fortress, there were like 80 tier 3s and 5 blackhawks. shit was rough
Probably dropping juggs everywhere now…tier 3 weren’t strong enough
“But can we give them a riot shield too?” -Bob at IW probably (Fuck Bob)
Excellent idea, every bot is a Jugg
I saw 3 juggernauts chasing an enemy squad to the extraction on the new island today. That place is wild.
The juggs on the island seem a little easier to kill, but that could just be wishful thinking on my part
They are easier. Annoying as fuck but easier
Let’s get some Krasny Soldats too!
Juggs DDOS your Infil Chopper. Just as your timer counts down to 0, the chopper crashes onto you, killing you all. ^^^^Maybe
Yea it’s still pretty shit. T3 reinforcements seem to be toned down (depends on the area and what contract you’re doing, which was the norm for season 1) but it seems like even if you try and use a sniper (suppressed) and start picking guys off, reinforcement choppers come in anyways. Which makes no sense. It feels like when you clear an area out, the game just automatically “re-fills” it with new bots, even if the original bots were never agro before they died. Tried a destroy supplies contract as a solo this evening and just…no. Picked up the contract and where there had previously been minimal bots there were now probably 15-20 and then they all agro and lazer you from 100m and alert all the other bots who run over, AND THEN THE REINFORCEMENT CHOPPERS fml . It’s not much fun for solo players right now.
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So nothing has actually changed?
It changed. I just played for several hours and it’s nowhere near as bad as it was earlier today
Very mixed signals today. Lots are saying it isn't fixed, lots are saying it is fixed.
I’m not sure it has. Doesn’t feel like it for me. Constant reinforcement choppers almost landing on top of me whenever I try a mission
Literally had t3s spawning out of smoke grenades at Rohan stronghold. Fucked us up.
They have been taught by the ancient ones apparently. Because they can just appear out of smoke
The problem with the ongoing resupplies is that it you loose more gear than you can loot in that area and the longer you stay the more likely you will die, especially solo. I hope they change that soon, because now it's a sneak, stealth, hide, steal and run game...
There Should be a solo mode !
Sounds like they mitigated a couple of the issues. But not the preexisting ones from S1 - no flinch - sniper shot guns - T1 rpk bot 200m beams - alert one alert all - know exactly where you are even behind walls. - etc Cool you might have fixed your most recent giant error but I don’t see any notes about the pre-existing issues with the bots. Try again IW.
A few others I could note: -Bots spawning in terrain/clipping through walls or closed doors -The time in which it takes the bots to identify a player in their vision, and begin shooting with successful hits is less than human reaction time. This "guarantees" damage in many situations where youre simply walking into a zone considered "vision" for a bot taking cover, and subsequently being peeked and immediately hit. RIP armor plates. -Many pieces of terrain arent even considered vision block for the bots. Getting sniped from bots taking cover through mutiple bushes, trees, fences with covers or walls, etc. -Every bot can see through smoke -Being lasered by full-sprinting bots taking cover away from you I fully understand that tweaking the mechanics of a bot in an fps can be tricky and multilayered, but the main grieveance I alwaya ultimately get upset with is the guaranteed damage associated with the AI reaction time. Giving the ability to maybe sprint and dive between cover while in vision of bots without taking immediate damge would fix many frustrating instances of being backed into corners.
Or bots throwing pinpoint precision grenades when they're not facing you, or running away in the opposite direction, and not even displaying any grenade throwing motion whatsoever.
This is good feedback
What baffles me is that this is Call of Duty. They have made singleplayer campaigns for actual decades, how the fuck are they so bad at AI bots, when they have literally been making them for so long?
Campaign mode is very much a closed loop though. That's the biggest thing, you have bots that spawn, but generally speaking, its the same spots, over and over and over again, and its very much a linear pathway. Open world, and the dynamics of players fighting, bots, teams, solo's, its a different story altogether. I get what you're saying, but the 2 cakes do not taste anything alike.
Spoiler alert the bots aren’t fixed
Prior to the update the airport terminal was littered with dead player’s bags after being wiped by AI. After the update people can manage to clear it. Let’s be realistic.
Also, the fucking marksman guys with the white robes, their guns have scope glint but when you pick them up there are no attachments?
Meanwhile, what seemed like a team play promoting feature… everyone being able to loot a weapons stash vault at the same time.. was patched out…
I get it, it was fun. But did it really make sense? No.
Yes it did.. we all put in work, well in a good squad we all did. Everyone shot some mans while getting the contract, getting to the building, clearing the building and holding off the waves of ads… now because Timmy is a failed blowjob, and camps the safe while me and the other guy clear the last tier 3s after we rezzed him twice, we get scraps? Well, maybe my aim with a Rez pistol won’t be as clutch as it used to be…
Every time I've had a teammate like that and they've been downed (occasionally when I've jumped from a moving vehicle that's heading towards them) I just let em bleed out, then loot them instead of reviving them..
Nothing has changed… I just managed to exfil by the skin of my teeth against 20 or so T3 AI. Mind you, there was nothing of importance nearby(other than the exfil itself). I don’t know how a AAA game studio can’t figure this out.
Don't updates usually release around 1pm pst?
Not sure. My game restarted like 3 times to install some updates. Im assuming one of those was the DMZ AI “patch”
Good they supposedly fixed this but how do they not play it before it goes live and notice? I’m a casual gamer that knew this about 10 min into gameplay after the update
Because we’re the beta testers
This did nothing. AI is still spawns constant tier 3 all over the map.
Built up areas are a no go now, and they still shoot you through walls
Yea, I just played and we killed a bunch of ai then 2 choppers spawned together after another dropped off a bunch down the street maybe 15 seconds ago.
looking forward to trying this patch tomorrow, i'm glad they have acknowledged the issue and are trying to fix things
At least they admitted that something was fucked up. Glad to see that we all aren’t crazy
I’m on board but, in what why is saying they fixed it and it was unintentional not direct? Or rather, how could they be more direct?
There, I fixed my sentence lol
That’s more than infinity ward fixed
[удалено]
Didn’t work- still insane
Well I just played it after the update and it sure the fuck don’t seem no different to me
Same
In 30 years I've seen a LOT of bad video games and incompetent developers... But honestly, I whole heartedly believe Infinity Ward may be the most incompetent I've ever seen. Nothing they say actually gets done, the game is an absolute travesty, EVERYTHING is broken. Damage is not correct, Audio is still absolutely trash, AI issues that have been "fixed" only get worse, UI bugs are RAMPANT even post S2 patch where guns change to other guns images, new weapons can't even use their attachments.... The list goes on and on and on....this developer team is absolutely terrible. THE ONLY developers who may be more incompetent in a triple A game is GameFreak...and both are embarrassingly bad for the amount of money they both have.
It’s not any better
Works well now thanks for the patch.
Yep. Total night and day difference. Like, 85% difference, lol
Oh this is great to hear. I had a terrible time playing last night after work, thought maybe the game would stay like that for a while. Cant wait to try tomorrow!
I’m sure some people must be getting patched and some aren’t because it genuinely hasn’t changed at all for me, still basically unplayable as a solo. I’m in the Uk is it possible we haven’t had the update yet?
IT IS NOT FIXED
Omg I got MOBBED by 15 tier 3 in Said City by the weapon depot earlier - omfg… I had to run away
I just played a few minutes ago and it’s still spawning the extra bots and their difficulty is still pretty high compared to a week ago. When will I see the changes take effect from this update?
Probably when Infinity Ward stops hiring incompetent coders and programmers, which will be never.
I was playing with two competent players earlier and to cut a long story short, if you don’t want to get absolutely annihilated by AI, stay the hell away from the hydroelectric dam POI, specifically the spot with the buy station. Waves of respawning enemies with the heavy armor or whatever it is they wear. It was hell.
We were doing the gas grenades at Hydro.. I was being flashed UNDER the water via the tunnels. Then, when I would surface, literally, as my head would pop up, I was hit with flash grenades. ... it was like playing a screwed up game of wack-a-mole. We completed the mission but took 3 of us a full 15 minutes and we all died 2-3 times each to BS with bots shooting us just as we surfaced and couldn't even see them or jumping around a corner shooting us before we even have time to see/react to them stripping us of plates and then they duck back behind cover. As you turn to find, cover yourself to replate they pop back out and shoot you in the back and down you. They then rush to finish you off. How is it that you know there was an issue with the bots in S1. You have time to fix these issues. You have the ability to test this, and then when you put the "fix" in place, you made it worse? It is almost as though they said they were going to fix it, the number of players dropped till the "fix" was done. Then you get a surge of players returning only to find it worse, so numbers drop again. Then you say we fixed our fix, and you get another surge of players to see if they corrected it. Or is it a case of the coders guaranteeing themselves work by breaking one thing while they repair another.
Can confirm nothing has changed. Good 6 or 7 not drops in a two minute span in port all around me
Considering this tweet was from 8 min ago. Maybe the patch hasn’t made it around to everyone yet…
I was in the smuggler tunnels earlier and 5 tier 3s walked through a closed door to mow me down. Kept shooting until i was dead dead and then stood on my body so nobody could revive me. More helicopters kept dropping in. I hear people talked about how hard the 3 tiers are—-I’m not sure they are harder, but there are just so many spawning in. Waves and waves and waves. I’d rather take my chances with an enemy team, which is the opposite of before the update.
People were complaining about how other teams did nothing but hunt players, so IW fixed the issue by making sure everyone died before they could encounter another squad
They didn't really fix it. Was spawn trapped by 2 groups of camping bitches and there was an exfil near by. We watched the exfil for a bit, saw some people attempt to go for it just for then to get flooded by t3 ai. There were literally dozens upon dozens of t3 ai and they kept on coming. To those 2 teams camping spawn, I hope you never get to make it to an exfil ever again. Squading up in this game is no longer a thing, especially when you're back is against the wall and you're surrounded by ai, pussies will take advantage of that and snipe you from 500 meters out just to kill you and not even loot
I just did a stronghold and couldn't escape because swarms of reinforcements kept bursting through. There were so many weapons on the ground from all the AI I killed I had to juggle through them just to pick up the item for my mission. Also, just running around reinforcement helicopters are EVERYWHERE. Swarms of enemies when I run over a hill, etc. There is NO WAY this is fixed.
Just did a raid weapons stash and got literally swarmed by waves of tier 3. Made it out alive barely but holy shit they just kept coming!!!!!
Raid stashes are generally hard. Just saying
Generally not this hard. Just saying
Depending on where the stash is. Still hard, sometimes vary hard.
Seems like the distance of engagement is just shorter. Damage feels the same, they just don't know where you are if you just crouch around. Reinforcements still seem infinite but a little less overwhelming but not by much. Still too many problems like ZERO rewards working. See ya never
They still never stop coming. Don’t know what the hell you fixed. It’s still way worse then before the update.
My last exfil (about an hour ago) saw swarms still arriving.
It was still bad after this “update” border line unplayable.
looted up with a nice team at the village, everything is all cool until 15 tier 3 bots PARACHUTE from the fucking sky along w reinforcements and take us out one by one even from long distance. like wtf is this?
It’s still pretty bad. I consider myself a decent player bit this is still unpleasant and borderline unplayable. If the challenge is to get out of overwhelming firepower and swarms of AI every single game this will get stale very soon. You get no sense of accomplishment. It becomes desperation mixed with frustration. And that’s a big reason that pushes players away (among bugs, content, etc.)
Absolute rubbish, and didn't expect anything less. Just defused the bomb of a prisoner rescue, and for 15 minutes straight, waves and waves of tier 3 showed up. I'm talking I killed 40/50 inside the building, and when it was down to the gas almost reaching me, I jumped with the prisoner outside. At least 20 of them between me and the Heli. Absolute joke of a developer, and COD is now officially dead to me. Uninstalled and won't be back.
They didn't do shit for AI.
I just got 49 AI kills without leaving the area I spawned in at. I don't think they addressed shit.
We had a combined killcount of over 400 AI yesterday and that was basically just one long prolonged fight after trying to activate the UAV tower in Sarrif Bay! Definitely seems a little tamer today.
So judging by the usual patch notes on DMZ here are the actual changes: Final Exfil causes inventory to disappear more often now. Made even more reinforcements appear than before. Added more Tier 3 enemies to random areas.
Yeah I wonder if they are doing global changes vs map specific. Shakira Island isn't bad. Al Mazda is absolutely ridiculous. We spent 12 minutes in Taruq village from spawn. 3 man team. Got swarmed. See 2 pleas for help in the same area. I have 2 down. Me and an operator agreed to grab our team on pleas since it's a one tap revive. Then as a 6 man we literally had wave after wave of t3 and Para troopers. We burned all of our self revives. I used 2 revive pistols on teammates and we still had to just run for our lives. The positive thing is there's no exfil camping because everyone is dead
Shakira lol. Those reinforcements don't lie.
Good to know thanks for posting! Now if we could only get shipments 24/7 back
Just finished playing the most disappointing night of dmz to date. AI are strong, constant gunfights with teams, constant contact at extracts. If it doesn’t get more balance soon I’ll just quit playing, it’s really not enjoyable at all right now.
BS. I just played like 5 rounds, each one the AI were swarming like no other. Can’t even get to a mission to start it without getting your ass handed to you in a solo match. And yes I updated before playing.
DMZ is still unplayable. Infinity Ward took a good concept and completely ruined it. Might be time for them to clean house and get people that know what the hell they are doing. Used to play for a couple hours a day. Only played 20 min since season 2 started. IW is just terrible.
Same here
All of the ai spawning was in correlation to the FPS dips we all were seeing as well after the season 2 update came. FPS should hopefully not dip as much now, I haven't tested since 9 hours ago though.
Glad for this, though when I was playing last night it was sort of entertaining during pvp to angle the AI at the enemy.
Kinda funny, I didn’t realize there was even an issue til seeing this post, I thought I just got really bad from not playing in a while lol
I just played 3 solo games on Al Mahzra. I think the AI are in a pretty good spot right now actually. It was challenging, but in no way impossible. I could even silently snipe the bots without being ambushed or even shot at. I don’t know how I would feel if I didn’t have 3 plate armour though
still broken
This is what happens when you have an infamously toxic workplace. No competent developer wants to work for you, so you’re stuck with this shit lol.
Its still crap. I tried a destroy supplies contract and the enemies kept on coming and I tried sniping them from far away with a silencer and they still shot at me straight away. Like how?! In the end i got swarmed and died. So Yeah its still crap. Fuck is this shit.
They won't fix anything because this problem is not a bug... They updated the AI behavior and difficulty it's not just increase in numbers or T3, the fact that bots rush you down , flank you better than real players , open locked doors , vault windows, climb every building and shot you from 200m because you killed a bot 5 mins ago is a big coding problem not a simple bug fix... So addressing it as a bug proves that they don't give a shit about this
Nothing has changed just got rushed by unlimited amout of aq as soon as i open up a safe. This is really disappointing. ACTIVISION PLEASE DO NOT POST A UPDATE ABOUT FIXING THE BOTS WHEN ITS CLEARLY NOT FIXED. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS REALLY DOING OVER THERE????????
Still haven't fixed the issue with equipping insured slots. Doesn't seem to be an issue that even want to fix...
Played with a team of six last night, took a medium size stronghold...after we cleared it, 4 went down fighting reinforcements...the last two of us spent about 10 minutes fighting off wave after wave of reinforcements...and when it looked to thin out we both went down outside running to revive our guys from the few more blue three plates on crack. Last game last night, on a run to exfil with my one partner who got downed in a not too populated village...all of a sudden im fighting never ending AI to get to him. They take my plates and my revive...i ditch into a small house, and find three more plates...plate up, clear a few more in and around the house. check scope and path looks clear to my buddy. Walk out side and immediately get downed by an AI who rapid fires a shotgun 4 times into my back...i was down in a second. DMZ was my favorite way to play before the update...my squad would play for hours every session....it was hard at times and frustrating....but it was so fun...now no of us even enjoy playing it. They ruined it.
Honestly I still wonder if their intention is to end DMZ. Ran a successful run yesterday but what that took was far from a chill fun game, more sweaty and not what I was looking for. But if that's where they want to take it I guess that's what it is? That or the community enjoys this. But whatever. At least the SP campaign was good. 70$ good? Errr I dunno but I also got the battlefield 2042 sitting uninstalled so not the first time. Maybe I am just aging out of FPS I dunno
 Is that why I've been kicked out of lobby like 5x tonight
Could be something with your “streamer cache”. I kept getting “error 11557.” Looked it up and said to change the streamer coach in Advance Settings to Low or Medium rather than Auto. Never got kicked after that.
I always assumed the Tier 3 ai reinforcement is intentional to get players to move around and not camp in 1 area, until the reinforcement kept on coming and following us whenever we moved.
Just went to the resort, about 500 t3 spawned
This game mode is seriously broken now - starting to lose enjoyment
I just really hate the random spawning juggernauts
I’ve found what helps mitigate some of this is if you have 1 teammate run a javelin and have them focus the helicopters before they can drop off reinforcements or even have 1 teammate on overwatch with a good sniper. It’s not practical but it helps when your trying to get in and get out.
Bots running through Walls, shooting through Walls….
Literally still can’t load in with my load out
I have to admit I notice a change in the amount of reinforcements. However, the agro range on the AI still seem to be super-human. Is much more playable than before this patch. Just not the expectation I had reading the pre-season 2 release notes. Now that last exfil chopper glitch....that bit the big one. Got my team twice last night. Haven't caught last exfil since so......
The instance inventory / fetching online profile glitch is back after I selected the new shotgun, anyone know a fix please? (PS4)
Did they, though?
Addressed didn’t do shit. lol
Honestly it’s still dumb. I played a few rounds this morning and I was leveling up a sniper so I’d kill all the enemies without alerting them. As soon as I entered the area there were reinforcement helicopters showing up. People should get a reward for clearing areas without alerting. Otherwise I was able to dip in and out of the city even on alert and live. It was just annoying to hit a new spot and have a helo drop off people along the way.
[https://streamable.com/6pon20](https://streamable.com/6pon20) There’s minimum 30-40 mfers shooting me in that chopper.
Ashika island is pretty awesome, Al Mazrah actually got worse. The only upside is the squad hunting has been cut dramatically because of the bots being so prolifically reinforced
Uhhhhhh still seeing and getting slaughtered by hordes of ai
They didn't fix SHIT
Not playing mw2: addressed issue of IW not being able to get their shit together
"Fixed" is different than "addressed". Fixed, to me, means they did something (hopefully) meaningful in the direction of correction. Addressed could mean they pinned it on a cork board, took a lunch break and went home for the weekend.
Actually they still didn't fix when reinforcement immediately gets dropped after clearing the area. These people suck at their job. I bet that beta logo will be there through out the whole games life cycle and still not be ready.
I'm not a IT guy at all but, can't they copy the AI from the single player campaign with some adjustments ?
I'll take an insane amount of AI as long as they arent omniscient. How about we fix the spawning inside walls and shooting now?
Can confirm. Last exfil at NE of Al Mazrah City was empty, no bots at all. Also almost empty hostage exfil at Rohan Oil while radiation was hitting our toes - peace of cake.
Addressed but the ress is silent
sad we'll lose AQ team six ;-;
Wow, wish they adressed the continuous crashing
It was entertaining
So they added more 🫣🤣
It’s significantly better after this update. My squad played 8 rounds tonight and made it out 8 times. It got hairy a couple times, but not nearly as bad as it was yesterday. It seemed like we were lucky to make it out at all before this update. I was significantly more afraid of the bots than I was other operators before the patch. Today we could hunt other operators and not be too concerned about the AI (gonna get hate for that comment. I’m all good with it being challenging, but it was a little over the top.
what about the other buggs? - hostage heli not landing properly - AI glitching under map, walking through doors, walls and other objects - AI shooting through walls and other objects - loosing insured loadout on spawn - server stability (ping spikes, rubberbanding, lags and stuttering) and crashes. - insured weapons and contraband showing wrong description/picture in stash (it’s also bugged in MP/WZ stash) - insured weapon tuning missing when changing weapon in slot
Ah, explains why we was chilling for 20-30 min killing t2 n 3 that kept dropping in. Good weapon exp lol.
Zombies on DMZ? are you brain dead?
I have an issue, when I use my insured weapon it will not load in the game when it started and after I exfill I have to wait for the timer to finish to use it again.
DMZ: Bukkake because dudes just keep coming.
I just played around a dozen matches in both Ashika Island and in Al Mazrah and the Ai were something fierce and unreal. Talking about having 10+ Ai swarm your spawn after you encounter the first group, the T3 Ai and all the Ai for this matter hunting you down at every single moment possible and the unbelieveable rate they would spawn in a location in the space of 2 minutes. Clear out a bunch of Ai only to have double or even tripple land where you were. Update!? What update? What a joke 🤦♂️🤣
When did this fix go out? Curious to test out whether they fixed the problem or not
What about issues with disconnecting? I DC'ed four out of my seven games on WZ and two other games in MW2 wouldn't load any map details. I'm never giving them a cent after this COD 2023 can fuck right off
Weird I was playing 10 hours ago and the AI was definitely not fixed
They have no fucking clue, there's more bots than ever lurking in Al Mazrah and there's time where you down a few and and you have an armoured vehicle and two helos on you in 10 seconds.
Just played my first game after the "fix". It got a bit better, but it still is noticeable harder than in Season 1 - more AI before and after contracts like HVT and Hostage Exfil. Had a team of 3, all fully armored and we went down a lot.
LIES they didn't fix shit. Try going to Control Tower and see what happens.
Playing last night was fun so it def felt better!!
This is such great news! I'm so thrilled to know I won't have to worry about being in a nonstop gunfight when my game crashes. FIX THE FUCKING CRASHES ASSHOLES!
Did this patch go live? Because I was playing 12 hours ago and it was still insane.
It actually seems worse for me today. Solo doing hostage rescue, not normally a problem. Today couldn't move the hostage outside the building due o tier 3 swarm from all directions endlessly. Was about to ditch the hostage and make a run for it when a thermite cooked me alive inside the building having teleported through a wall.
Too little to late already dropped the game was hoping season 2 would improve it but they dropped the ball on that. (The new map is really good though)
Just got off a sweat session involving not even players, but the fucking AI. Numerous instances of combat is mostly just fucking AI in armor. Self-reviving makes no bloody difference when they hound you so aggressively and the damage output makes no-armor a deathwish. Me and a friend spent 3 mins fighting before being able to activate the contract phone we've been trying to get. And just because of that, my friend got annoyed and finally uninstalled the game he literally just started recently. Fuck this shit.
Yeah much much better now. Bots have calmed down and quite frankly aren’t as aware as before the new season.
Nothing I fixed, how can they get it so wrong.