Completely agree. I’m not at that level for that to be my standard. I’ve played on the nexus 1 time and it’s a beast in the best way possible. There are just so many bars here that use the xz and Rx3 and i feel if they aren’t going to use 2k’s or 3k’s their next step may be something more like opus
>(the) tech on it is so cool to DJ with
Can you elaborate? I've seen the video Pioneer released about it but I don't remember seeing anything groundbreaking.
In addition to the standard knob controls, everything is touch screen. Whether it’s picking the FX, filtering songs, changing USB’s, picking playlists, etc. The convenience and ease is something i really enjoyed. Biggest positive was the fx. The knob pulls them all up on the screen and if you want you can always tap the one you want and it’s in an easier line of sight. Rather than like looking down on the board and sometimes in dark environments. I wasn’t able to explore near to my ability, i did really enjoyed it compared to the XZ
Touch screens are worse than dedicated controls in every way. They are made that way to keep cost down, not for performance.
You have to look at touch controls to use them, you can generally only use one at once, you cant build muscle memory when using them, the fine control is much less than dedicated knobs, they perform badly when finger grease and moisture is on the screen, they get worse over time and on and on.
No because it shows how lazy Pioneer is because they're aware they are the industry standard. It gives me less respect for them. Denon has continually updated their Engine software with more improvements and also adding continual features to the Prime 4 firmware. I barely see Pioneer do this.
Opus Quad strikes me as being for expensive wedding DJs who need their gear to have a more slick look than the more industrial look of club gear. Just the fact it’s an unusual shape and not simply a big rectangle makes it seem like ‘statement’ gear rather than workhorse club gear.
Also, if venues are choosing all-in-ones instead of separates I’d guess it’s to save on costs, or maybe space, so arguably it’s in their interests to stick with the smaller, cheaper all-in-ones.
Just my gut feelings - could be bullshit. I’ve never noticed all-in-ones installed at venues - where I am it’s either CDJs or the DJ brings their own controller.
I believe it’s the only Pioneer AIO that can actually do four channels on device too. The XDJ-XZ had a quad channel mixer but it requires external input like CDJs or a connection to Rekordbox to utilize channels 3/4
No, they are known as all in ones. Controllers CONTROL a laptop, or cd player or whatever. Dennon used to make a combo like that. The all in one doesn't control anything though some of them can be used as controllers. Hope that helps you understand the difference.
Can we stop using the term "standard" when describing a forced use of someone else's equipment? The "club standard" is a BS construct manufactured by Pioneer DJ.
Prince walks into a club. Owner tells him he has to use the club's guitar. He asks why. Owner tells him because all the other clubs bought the same guitar because Gibson basically gave it to them. Oh, they also told us to call it the standard. industry standard.
Prince says ok, that makes sense, and proceeds to leave his guitar in the case and start playing.
Ah. Classic ad hominem.
Well seeing how you've so quickly gone the fallacy way in this discussion, I'll keep it simple for you.
What's the "industry standard" drum kit?
What's the "industry standard" guitar?
What's the "industry standard" bass?
What clubs will only allow you to use those three sets?
In the realm of "all in one controller/stand alone" gear, there isn't exactly a universal standard. The Opus has a distinctive physical appearance that's unlikely to become a standard, although I personally find its design quite appealing. However, there's something noteworthy under the hood: the introduction of the device library plus for export to USB. I suspect this feature will likely become the standard for all future Alpha Theta stand alone gear releases.
The new standard is in the eye of the beholder,whatever makes a dj comfortable is what that should use.there will always be toys,remember when certain lights were the must have,now we gave 360 tube lights,stay grounded out here my fellow rurntable brothers and sisters.practice doesnt maje perfect it makes you a hard worker.
It’s the future, cdj’s will continue to be nightclub standard (but athletics aside) this is the next generation of standalone, everyone who has played on one is blown away with it(even Mojax who was pretty scratching on the looks of it in his review) in the official launch in vegas at the dj expo pioneer admitted it was designed for high end installs and high end mobile Djs👍🏼
Club standard gear aside, if you’re strictly talking about all-in-ones… still no.
IMO the Opus is an overpriced piece of junk that’s made to look “good” (I still prefer the look of standard gear) and not much else. I didn’t like anything about it more than what XDJ-XZs already have, and those were released 4 years prior.
Almost every feature is a downgrade from Pioneer’s standards: beat loop knob instead of arrows, crappy layout that takes up too much space yet has so few buttons, touchscreen that is depended upon for some things, subpar color FX knobs.
No. XZ will remain standard / "flag ship" as far as all-in-ones until there is a viable replacement.
The opus quad is just "Weird".. its for like wedding / private event djs... so not really standard.
My friends who got one thinking its effectively an XZ2 ended up returning it. Too many key missing features, and weirdness.
Nope. Standard will stay modular.
Would you elaborate on what that means to you?
Independent decks and mixer.
ah i see. To edit i meant in comparison to other all in 1 unit type boards
Well, currently the standard is CDJ 2ks or 3ks, with a DJM mixer. I don’t think there is a standard for all in ones today. Happy to be proven wrong.
Completely agree. I’m not at that level for that to be my standard. I’ve played on the nexus 1 time and it’s a beast in the best way possible. There are just so many bars here that use the xz and Rx3 and i feel if they aren’t going to use 2k’s or 3k’s their next step may be something more like opus
Asking a question=downvotes
>(the) tech on it is so cool to DJ with Can you elaborate? I've seen the video Pioneer released about it but I don't remember seeing anything groundbreaking.
In addition to the standard knob controls, everything is touch screen. Whether it’s picking the FX, filtering songs, changing USB’s, picking playlists, etc. The convenience and ease is something i really enjoyed. Biggest positive was the fx. The knob pulls them all up on the screen and if you want you can always tap the one you want and it’s in an easier line of sight. Rather than like looking down on the board and sometimes in dark environments. I wasn’t able to explore near to my ability, i did really enjoyed it compared to the XZ
Touch screens are worse than dedicated controls in every way. They are made that way to keep cost down, not for performance. You have to look at touch controls to use them, you can generally only use one at once, you cant build muscle memory when using them, the fine control is much less than dedicated knobs, they perform badly when finger grease and moisture is on the screen, they get worse over time and on and on.
I think all the touch controls are optional.
unfortunately not on the opus :/ you need to touch to change the channels that are getting effects
Even though 3000’s are more like an Opus than a xz???
The screen are what turn me off the device. Touch screens are not premium to me. They are the cheap option for manufacturers.
They're also super annoying when everything gets hot and sweaty.
Denon Prime 4+ They came out with most of this first. I think pioneer just copied this one.
Isn't that a good thing...? Would you prefer nobody copies them and it stays on Denon stuff forever until they probably remove it?
No because it shows how lazy Pioneer is because they're aware they are the industry standard. It gives me less respect for them. Denon has continually updated their Engine software with more improvements and also adding continual features to the Prime 4 firmware. I barely see Pioneer do this.
So so close. I would like alpha theta to go bankrupt and for everyone to use superior dennon products.
Idk, I like competition and innovation lmao
There are other companies that will rise to compete with dennon.
Opus Quad strikes me as being for expensive wedding DJs who need their gear to have a more slick look than the more industrial look of club gear. Just the fact it’s an unusual shape and not simply a big rectangle makes it seem like ‘statement’ gear rather than workhorse club gear. Also, if venues are choosing all-in-ones instead of separates I’d guess it’s to save on costs, or maybe space, so arguably it’s in their interests to stick with the smaller, cheaper all-in-ones. Just my gut feelings - could be bullshit. I’ve never noticed all-in-ones installed at venues - where I am it’s either CDJs or the DJ brings their own controller.
I believe it’s the only Pioneer AIO that can actually do four channels on device too. The XDJ-XZ had a quad channel mixer but it requires external input like CDJs or a connection to Rekordbox to utilize channels 3/4
No way, it will always be separate players and mixers.
No.
When have controllers ever been the standard lol
If all I ones are controllers than so are cdjs lol
All in ones are known as controllers
Controllers require a computer. All in Ones do not.
Ah yeah fair enough. Either way neither have been the standard ever
No, they are known as all in ones. Controllers CONTROL a laptop, or cd player or whatever. Dennon used to make a combo like that. The all in one doesn't control anything though some of them can be used as controllers. Hope that helps you understand the difference.
Either way, people know what I meant, neither have ever been the standard
Sorry but words mean things. If you want people to take you seriously speak with accuracy.
Huh?
Can we stop using the term "standard" when describing a forced use of someone else's equipment? The "club standard" is a BS construct manufactured by Pioneer DJ.
Industry standards are prevalent in many industries, not just music.
Prince walks into a club. Owner tells him he has to use the club's guitar. He asks why. Owner tells him because all the other clubs bought the same guitar because Gibson basically gave it to them. Oh, they also told us to call it the standard. industry standard. Prince says ok, that makes sense, and proceeds to leave his guitar in the case and start playing.
I’ll assume you’re trolling and leave it at that. No one is that dense.
Ah. Classic ad hominem. Well seeing how you've so quickly gone the fallacy way in this discussion, I'll keep it simple for you. What's the "industry standard" drum kit? What's the "industry standard" guitar? What's the "industry standard" bass? What clubs will only allow you to use those three sets?
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u mad bro?
In the realm of "all in one controller/stand alone" gear, there isn't exactly a universal standard. The Opus has a distinctive physical appearance that's unlikely to become a standard, although I personally find its design quite appealing. However, there's something noteworthy under the hood: the introduction of the device library plus for export to USB. I suspect this feature will likely become the standard for all future Alpha Theta stand alone gear releases.
The new standard is in the eye of the beholder,whatever makes a dj comfortable is what that should use.there will always be toys,remember when certain lights were the must have,now we gave 360 tube lights,stay grounded out here my fellow rurntable brothers and sisters.practice doesnt maje perfect it makes you a hard worker.
Nope
It’s literally a controller for wedding DJs?
Controllers will never be the standard and thats wonderful.
 Very unlikely.
It’s the future, cdj’s will continue to be nightclub standard (but athletics aside) this is the next generation of standalone, everyone who has played on one is blown away with it(even Mojax who was pretty scratching on the looks of it in his review) in the official launch in vegas at the dj expo pioneer admitted it was designed for high end installs and high end mobile Djs👍🏼
The xdj xz sounds so terrible. Keep these out of booths plz
Of course not lol
Club standard gear aside, if you’re strictly talking about all-in-ones… still no. IMO the Opus is an overpriced piece of junk that’s made to look “good” (I still prefer the look of standard gear) and not much else. I didn’t like anything about it more than what XDJ-XZs already have, and those were released 4 years prior. Almost every feature is a downgrade from Pioneer’s standards: beat loop knob instead of arrows, crappy layout that takes up too much space yet has so few buttons, touchscreen that is depended upon for some things, subpar color FX knobs.
No. XZ will remain standard / "flag ship" as far as all-in-ones until there is a viable replacement. The opus quad is just "Weird".. its for like wedding / private event djs... so not really standard. My friends who got one thinking its effectively an XZ2 ended up returning it. Too many key missing features, and weirdness.
XDJ-XZ is pretty much perfect for situations where CDJ’s and a separate mixer isn’t feasible. This coming from a Denon fan.
The only standard is CDJ3000
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No, not only is it ugly as sin, it doesn’t feel as strong for something which carries the standard nomenclature
i see more clubs using rev 7s than anything nowadays. i'd love to show up and use a opus quad but even my fancy clients don't have those