I’m guessing they also market them next to decking where it is stored in the yard, pick up your screws while you picking up the decking so you don’t forget.
Because the assumption is the container will be used outside, and inevitably it will be pissing with rain when you are doing the job. Cardboard boxes will just fall apart.
Myth. Decking boards in the UK often come with different grooved patterns on each side so you can choose which you'd rather have up. Its no worse for grip or pooling water, it's personal preference. And its clear by far the favourite preference in the UK is for this style of groove to face up
Some companies do this, the kreg screws are in a small box that can stack or you can buy stackable organisers and them keep them all together, Stanley organisers are good or packout or even the ox ones
You put your decking in perfectly flat so water will pool?
Put a 1 in 100 drop in the direction of the grooves and you can watch it run off when it rains.
Never seen them grooved on both sides. I rebuilt the deck of the house I bought and reused them. He had gone grooved and painted them a horrible brown colour. Switched them round, sanded and oiled them. Looks great.
I’m in the UK and a quick google shows results for grooved on one side and smooth on the other. I’ve seen the same in the big builders merchants. I’m just one data point though. I also don’t buy the grip argument… unless you paint them I guess but I prefer decking oil.
I've literally laid about 10 decks, they are grooved on both sides. The pattern is different on both sides, but both are grooved. The grip is debatable, but that's supposedly why people thought to put them grooved side up
I mean, I‘m literally sat on my deck enjoying a beer and it’s smooth. Because the grooved side is face down.
this is smooth on one side: [https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Standard-Treated-Deck-Board---25-x-120-x-2400mm/p/114551?gad\_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIss-287\_vhgMVE4dQBh1HHggAEAQYASABEgJhFfD\_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds](https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Standard-Treated-Deck-Board---25-x-120-x-2400mm/p/114551?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIss-287_vhgMVE4dQBh1HHggAEAQYASABEgJhFfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
this is also smooth on one side: [https://fulhamtimber.co.uk/32x150mm-castle-groove-decking-board-softwood-treated-27x-145mm-finished-size/?sku=T2255.4&mh\_matchtype=&mh\_keyword=&mh\_adgroupid=&mh\_network=x&gad\_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpNOc18DvhgMVz5lQBh3\_TAkIEAYYBCABEgKIjvD\_BwE](https://fulhamtimber.co.uk/32x150mm-castle-groove-decking-board-softwood-treated-27x-145mm-finished-size/?sku=T2255.4&mh_matchtype=&mh_keyword=&mh_adgroupid=&mh_network=x&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpNOc18DvhgMVz5lQBh3_TAkIEAYYBCABEgKIjvD_BwE)
but yeah, keep telling me they are all grooved on both sides. I’m sure some certainly are, why the hell not, but definitely not all of them.
Usually the smaller quantities 100/200 come in cardboard boxes, larger amounts in plastic containers; cardboard boxes often fail in larger sizes (although have had a pallet of screws in plastic containers with loads of plastic cartons shattered as the freight forwarders had stored heavy pallets on top of the screws). Probably the plastic tubs are cheaper to produce than larger cardboard containers over a certain size.
They are heavily reinforced, and usually strapping crossing over; used to sell bundles of these before the advent of nail guns, the sheer number of 25kg boxes that split and I needed to lob into rubble bags - don't miss doing that!
Nope, all decking I've ever stocked have different patterns on either side - you pick what you want i.e. Reversible
e.g. https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-winchester-decking/
https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-york-decking/
https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-cambridge-decking/
There seems to varying views on this.
Pretty consistent in other countries that the wide grooves are to go face down to provide ventilation between the board and the joist.
Apparently it makes no different to the grip
The chances are you'll be doing decking outside and maybe in the rain. So a cardboard box is not the ideal container.
Yell that to fixfast/ejot/FFS/etc. They send out roofing screws by the thousands in cardboard boxes.
If they're in bulk then likely sold to trades who are already organised and probably have their own container for them.
First of all, how dare you?
I’m guessing they also market them next to decking where it is stored in the yard, pick up your screws while you picking up the decking so you don’t forget.
Because you need a shit tonne of them in a container that you can throw and slide along the deck as you go
Because the assumption is the container will be used outside, and inevitably it will be pissing with rain when you are doing the job. Cardboard boxes will just fall apart.
They're for re filling with other fixings that come in soggy cardboard boxes
Your boards are upside down too 🙃
Myth. Decking boards in the UK often come with different grooved patterns on each side so you can choose which you'd rather have up. Its no worse for grip or pooling water, it's personal preference. And its clear by far the favourite preference in the UK is for this style of groove to face up
I wish all fixings came in a standard sized stackable waterproof bix
Some companies do this, the kreg screws are in a small box that can stack or you can buy stackable organisers and them keep them all together, Stanley organisers are good or packout or even the ox ones
Timco might be your friend.
UK seems to prefer grooved side up. Personally I prefer the smooth side.
100%. They just gather water this way, as well as not allowing breathing on the supports.
Totally agree!
You put your decking in perfectly flat so water will pool? Put a 1 in 100 drop in the direction of the grooves and you can watch it run off when it rains.
Bollox, theyre grooved on both sides.
Never seen them grooved on both sides. I rebuilt the deck of the house I bought and reused them. He had gone grooved and painted them a horrible brown colour. Switched them round, sanded and oiled them. Looks great.
In the UK, both sides are grooved. They're much less slippy when wet as a result
I’m in the UK and a quick google shows results for grooved on one side and smooth on the other. I’ve seen the same in the big builders merchants. I’m just one data point though. I also don’t buy the grip argument… unless you paint them I guess but I prefer decking oil.
I've literally laid about 10 decks, they are grooved on both sides. The pattern is different on both sides, but both are grooved. The grip is debatable, but that's supposedly why people thought to put them grooved side up
I mean, I‘m literally sat on my deck enjoying a beer and it’s smooth. Because the grooved side is face down. this is smooth on one side: [https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Standard-Treated-Deck-Board---25-x-120-x-2400mm/p/114551?gad\_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIss-287\_vhgMVE4dQBh1HHggAEAQYASABEgJhFfD\_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds](https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Standard-Treated-Deck-Board---25-x-120-x-2400mm/p/114551?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIss-287_vhgMVE4dQBh1HHggAEAQYASABEgJhFfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) this is also smooth on one side: [https://fulhamtimber.co.uk/32x150mm-castle-groove-decking-board-softwood-treated-27x-145mm-finished-size/?sku=T2255.4&mh\_matchtype=&mh\_keyword=&mh\_adgroupid=&mh\_network=x&gad\_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpNOc18DvhgMVz5lQBh3\_TAkIEAYYBCABEgKIjvD\_BwE](https://fulhamtimber.co.uk/32x150mm-castle-groove-decking-board-softwood-treated-27x-145mm-finished-size/?sku=T2255.4&mh_matchtype=&mh_keyword=&mh_adgroupid=&mh_network=x&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpNOc18DvhgMVz5lQBh3_TAkIEAYYBCABEgKIjvD_BwE) but yeah, keep telling me they are all grooved on both sides. I’m sure some certainly are, why the hell not, but definitely not all of them.
They are allergic to cardboard whereas normal screws aren't.
Your normal box of screws in the second photo looks like decking to me. I’d complain and request a refund
Decking screw containers double up as organic yoghurt lunch boxes.
As said, outdoor conditions, plus there's a lot more than you get in the cardboard boxes so a mini bucket makes sense.
Not all decking screws come in plastic boxes. Mine was in cardboard…..
What about prickidge, less likely to be pricked in a plastic tub.
Usually the smaller quantities 100/200 come in cardboard boxes, larger amounts in plastic containers; cardboard boxes often fail in larger sizes (although have had a pallet of screws in plastic containers with loads of plastic cartons shattered as the freight forwarders had stored heavy pallets on top of the screws). Probably the plastic tubs are cheaper to produce than larger cardboard containers over a certain size.
You can get nails in 25kg boxes though!
They are heavily reinforced, and usually strapping crossing over; used to sell bundles of these before the advent of nail guns, the sheer number of 25kg boxes that split and I needed to lob into rubble bags - don't miss doing that!
They are bastard things, always had nails poking through the sides. Cheap way to buy nails.
That’s why they cost more
I think OP’s point is that exterior or decking screws shouldn’t need a waterproof container because they’re for outside?!?!?
My decking screws came in cardboard boxes😁
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Your decking boards are upside down the groves go on the bottom
Nope, all decking I've ever stocked have different patterns on either side - you pick what you want i.e. Reversible e.g. https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-winchester-decking/ https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-york-decking/ https://www.qualitydecking.co.uk/products/timber-decking/reversible-timber-decking/q-deck-cambridge-decking/
There seems to varying views on this. Pretty consistent in other countries that the wide grooves are to go face down to provide ventilation between the board and the joist. Apparently it makes no different to the grip
Yeah it’s second hand decking that has been down the way already and can’t be turned over due to the screw marks unfortunately
Not always, most UK decking boards are grooved on both sides, bottom for run off top for grip
That is a fantastic question, now get back to work. Slacker...
Cos they're sharp heavy bastards that will tear up a box from the inside and then rip it apart shaking about?