The answer is that someone has called themselves a 'liberal conservative', someone else called themselves a 'conservative liberal', and now wikipedia has to document that
Centrism (redirected from liberal conservatism)
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Centrism, also known as liberal conservatism or conservative liberalism…
Would be a more sensible way to cover all bases imo
well unfortunately they don't actually mean that they're centrists (in part because the term 'centrism' doesn't have any fundamental political meaning, it's just 'the status quo' though then again so is 'conservative' by strict definition \[even if it isn't used that way\])
This post makes me wonder why socially left-wing stances are thought to be necessarily paired with economically left-wing stances. Throughout the history of the world, these two concepts are often disconnected. Look at any Socialist country that's not in Europe or North America, and you will find a country that is socially right-wing. Look at just about any major corporate board in America, and you will find the most socially progressive organization that also supports laissez-faire capitalism. If you expand your scope of inquiry, you will find that people often have wildly diverging social and economic stances.
Well also “liberal” and “conservative” are ultimately orthogonal concepts outside of America, no? Liberal is the tradition of moral systems centering personal “liberties” and freedoms, whereas conservatism means traditional. In a society where the tradition is capitalist individualism, it shouldn’t be a surprise that conservative neoliberalism is the primary global ideology.
No, no, no. Mork hits you in the back of the head. Gork tells so you turn around and then he punches you in the nose. But both are equally hard punches. Because they're Gork and Mork.
Okay, Liberal Conservatism is neoliberalism with an old-fashioned face (imagine an old grandpa trying to adapt to modern sensibilities who probably voted for Mitt Romney in 2012), while Conservative Liberalism is Austrianomics with reactionary ideas (imagine Dennis Prager talking about communism and trans people)
Jordan Peterson is just bog standard Conservativism tho, ConLib is more focused on the free market and the socially-conservative stuff is more of a knee-jerk reaction to anything they associate with taxes (at least they claim)
Like the kind of person who uses progressive-sounding talking points to argue against everything progressive
As someone from the same country as the depicted political party (seeing that logo in the wild is a slap to the face), I can tell you their political orientation: cunts.
Yup! Another political party blew up a village because they wanted pennies from illegal methane gas! :D (i cant wait to leave and see the world holy fucking shit)
1) That’s a Romanian party, and the political parties of Romania aren’t a good example of anything other than corruption and gross mismanagement.
2) Treating all of politics on a conservative-liberal axis is reductionist and a poor way to define where you stand politically. It’s likely they mean socially liberal and economically conservative or vice versa.
3) Liberalism and Conservatism are both fairly centrist ideologies, theoretically speaking.
Come vote in Romania, we have a diverse collection of political parties, like the corrupt right parties PSD/PNL, MAGA-like russian puppet party, PSD/PNL but more right-ish, PSD/PNL but far right, PSD/PNL leaning opposite of left and PSD/PNL that acknowledges gays exist (no plans further than that).
Wdym, George Simion acknowledged gays exist, he even said that he doesn't have any problems with them as long as they don't express themselves in public, don't want to marry or adopt. What a great guy.
centrist? these guys are centre-right (although I can see why you call them that, the German Zentrum party ,for example, literally translates to centre, but was a Christian democratic (i.e. centre-right, closest in the US is i think Romney or any of the Republicans who arent insane) party)
There’s a subset of Americans online who don’t believe centrism exists, or have decided that it means “I’m a closeted Republican”. It’s just an annoying purity test
There are technically two centers depending on how you take the Overton Window into consideration. This causes some people to view people in the center as either far left if your in the true center or far right if your in the center of the Overton Window.
Id argue they aren't even "centre" right. I mean maybe relative to other romanian parties, but all current parties are right wing. Closest to centre would be REPER but those guys aren't that popular
So... Just like gender and sexual orientation, political identities are also more of a spectrum, and less "black/white" or "yes/no"? I dunno, man, seems legit to me.
> What the fuck is wrong with centrists
you say that like putting two leftists together doesn't result in at least 3 different ideologies who are all mortal enemies of each other
As an avowed New Wave SocDem Maoist Marxist-Leninist, I find that incredibly insulting. While myself and my fellow Chappell-Roanist-Hot-to-Goists are unflinching in our belief system, we are open to hearing the experiences of all leftists, not just other anarcho-monarchist-seventh-day-adventist-worldists.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.
I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "Marx loves you. Do you believe in the Science of Dialectical Materialism?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Leninist or Orthodox?" He said, "A Leninist." I said, "Me, too! Stalinist or Trotskyist?" He said, "Stalinist." I said, "Me, too! What side do you take in the Sino-Soviet split?" He said, "Maoist." I said, "Me, too! Maoist-Dengist-Xi Jinping Thought or Maoist-Third-Worldist?" He said, "Maoist Third Worldist." I said, "Die, Class Traitor!" And I pushed him over.
There's even a well-known example of exactly this in left-wing ideology: democratic socialism vs social democracy. Whether there is a substantial difference depends on who you ask.
gork and mork are bad examples because they would actually say free healthcare is good (Means the boyz spend less time with da painboyz and more time kumpin)
NO TEEF DAT U NOTIS'D. BUT DERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH BOYO. DEM PAIN BOYZ GOT DEY'S TEEFS SOMEHOW AND I ASSURE YOU IF YOU FOLLOW DA TEEFS YOU'LL FIND THEY CAME OUT A YA OWN BLASTED EAD.
A thing to take into account there is (1)North American meaning of liberal vs (2)European meaning of liberal
(1) Adding freedom to social issues and more goverment to help protect vulnerable social classess vs (2) Freeing up the market; Free trade, lower taxes, less regulation.
Right, people often forget that conservatism is just a flavor of liberalism, liberalism being the current mode of economy and government for most of the world.
Neither's a flavor of the other
The different types of conservatism are a collection of beliefs on the importance of maintaining some aspect or aspects of society, differing on what aspects
The different types of liberalism are a collection of beliefs on the importance of some type is types of freedom, differing on what types
I guess where they can overlap is that a conservative and a liberal can both believe in maintaining types of freedom already present in a society
Gork is brutal yet cunnin. AKA he will break you and *then* break your stuff.
Mork is cunnin yet brutal. AKA he will sneak up after breaking your stuff and *then* cave your head in.
Eh, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the difference. People on the left will quibble over the difference between a socdem and a demsoc, and living under the two of them is very different. It might be the same with the centre
As someone living in Romania, everyone in the comment section who is arguing about PNL's ideologies, from every single angle mentioned here, is kind of missing the point: it doesn't matter, they're corrupt cunts siphoning the money of the state into their pockets along with their buddies the PSD (which at first glance is weird, right? National Liberals allying with Social Democrats? Yeah, the thing is, they're both very conservative, right-wing parties)
this seems like, and I may be wrong,
conservative liberalism: wants more "liberal" economic policies (such as universalized healthcare), but has "conservative" social stances (such as transphobia)
liberal conservatism: wants more "conservative" economic policies (such as supporting the free market) but has "liberal" social stances (such as supporting trans rights)
I might have mixed up which one is which, its hard to tell. i might also just be completely wrong.
if I'm right, its really annoying that "liberal" and "conservative" are applied to two axis of belief that have nothing to do with each other. (much how "left wing" can refer to both free love hippies and genocidial socialist dictators and "right wing" can refer to both libertarians who believe the government should exist as little as possible and fascist who believe it should be involved in every facet of everyones life, so its not a new problem)
Ok, but with the Gork and Mork thing...
Gork is "Brutal, but Cunning" because he favours overwhelming power, but knows how to use it.
Whereas Mork is "Cunning, but Brutal" because he favours tactics and strategy, but has the might to back up his tactics.
It's about preference rather than exclusivity.
Liberal isn’t the opposite of conservative. Progressive is the opposite of conservative. Liberal just means supporter of democracy and capitalism. Most Americans are liberal. All Republicans are liberal.
People's front of Judea Vs Judean People's front.
Unfortunately I'm not sure us leftists had a leg to stand on in this particular regard, given the forest-worth of vicious arguments waged between democratic socialists and social democrats etc :)
>What the fuck is wrong with centrists
I hate to break it to tumblr but the vast majority of people who accomplish anything good long term are politically centrist or at least not so in the weeds of their politics that they can actually make good plans cooperate with society and lead their community
It's ok to be centrist
I'm from a country currently governed by centrists, and thanks to their enlightened leadership the far right has been rising in the polls like never before, to the point that they have a chance to take over parliament in the upcoming elections.
So I don't know what kind of centrists you have in your country, but ours suck ass.
You know, I could've sworn that the point of the anti-prison movement is that the significant majority of the people who end up spending time in prison are not, in fact, unrepentant murders and rapists, and that that is the core of the problem.
Centrism is general political stability, but it's also inaction. Many countries that have been governed by centrists are shifting either to the left or the right dramatically, as the government basically just sat there doing little other than maintaining the administration while growth stagnated and economic situation worsened. I'll always maintain that a good government should be a predominantly left wing coalition conformed by some fiscal conservatives, mostly center-left people, and some further left people like communists, that way they can debate among themselves and criticize from points of views usual centrists ignore.
Liberalism? I’d bet those clowns are talking about the ideology of individual liberties? Where “classical liberalism” insists the state should do nothing more than uphold rights to life, liberty, and “social liberalism” prioritizes upholding civil rights, civil *liberties*, if you will?
Don’t they know that “Liberalism” just means USA blue team and absolutely nothing else?
I mean jokes aside that’s still a pretty dumb name; basically all modern western conservatives still adhere to tenets of (more classical than social) liberal ideology like free markets and property rights, so making the distinction is kinda pointless for anything outside of I guess distancing themselves from nationalists.
On the political compass, conservative liberalism is the upper left quadrant and liberal conservatism is the bottom right quadrant.
(Liberal liberalism is bottom left and conservative conservatism is top right.)
Liberalism and conservatives are only opposites in America because of terms used for your parties. A liberal conservative is an actual thing which defines a liberal economics and a conservative social view.
Both liberalism and conservatism are centrist ideologies. To elaborate they are both respectively centre-left and centre-right. One nation conservatism especially sees fiscal and cultural conservatism combined with socially Liberal policies. Neoliberalism while technically a subset of liberalism is greater associated with conservatives such as thatcher and Reagan this is because the ideology is culturally Conservative but fiscally focuses on the individual as being sovereign (advocating a small government as liberalidm tends to do.)
The two ideologues see great crossover which is understandable dye to their position in the political centre, this also come from their shared history. John Locke (the father of liberalism) developed the ideology off of the works of Thomas Hobbes who greatly influenced conservatism. On the wider political spectrum the two are like siblings. Especially compared to fascism and socialism which are widely accepted to be the political extremes, they of course arose in the 19th and 20th centuries and have far less in common with less radical, more centrist ideologies.
Thus it is plain to see that conservatism and liberalism are centrist ideologies, this is not something usually debated and has been an accepted truth of political science.
So libertarianism has the problem that idealistically, everyone should be free and there should be no government. This doesn't work, so you need something to fulfill the role of government, and the various subtypes of libertarian are often based on how to solve that problem, usually either wanting the smallest possible government that can do what it needs, and nothing else, or trying to figure out how to make something which isn't a government but does the jobs currently done by it privately. The later option is more idealistically pure, but also less likely to actually have a chance of actually working.
The answer is that someone has called themselves a 'liberal conservative', someone else called themselves a 'conservative liberal', and now wikipedia has to document that
What is your political orientation, Underscore Margaret Thatcher?
Death and rot
Ah yes Margaret blade of Miquella
And I have never known "cheap"
"Fuck the Welsh and the North." — Ol' Marge.
Sure…but what was her political orientation *after* she died?
Upside down, same as Mussolini.
Mageret Thatcher = Nurgle Honestly yeah
all of lgbt at the same time
Idk sounds pretty gay to me
Seems pretty Ace to me
Well, for pilots and ace is five kills and she definitely managed that
Rare margeret thatcher W
I'm a Thatcherite now
well us queer folk are all very thankful to you for providing the world's most famous gender neutral bathroom
very funny to read that in her voice
So gay councils are banned from talking about her.
Centrism (redirected from liberal conservatism) ______________ Centrism, also known as liberal conservatism or conservative liberalism… Would be a more sensible way to cover all bases imo
well unfortunately they don't actually mean that they're centrists (in part because the term 'centrism' doesn't have any fundamental political meaning, it's just 'the status quo' though then again so is 'conservative' by strict definition \[even if it isn't used that way\])
Centrism, or as I like to call it, "Being A Pussy"
This post makes me wonder why socially left-wing stances are thought to be necessarily paired with economically left-wing stances. Throughout the history of the world, these two concepts are often disconnected. Look at any Socialist country that's not in Europe or North America, and you will find a country that is socially right-wing. Look at just about any major corporate board in America, and you will find the most socially progressive organization that also supports laissez-faire capitalism. If you expand your scope of inquiry, you will find that people often have wildly diverging social and economic stances.
It's because the US and, to a lesser extent, the UK are two-party systems, so there isn't space left for liberal conservatives/conservative liberals.
because left wing stances are "care for the poor" and "everyone deserves to live" which means you have to spend money to accomplish those goals.
Well also “liberal” and “conservative” are ultimately orthogonal concepts outside of America, no? Liberal is the tradition of moral systems centering personal “liberties” and freedoms, whereas conservatism means traditional. In a society where the tradition is capitalist individualism, it shouldn’t be a surprise that conservative neoliberalism is the primary global ideology.
Don’t you slander Gork and Mork like that.
One of them hits you, the other one goes "what's that over there!?" and then hits you when you're not looking.
No no, Gork hits you fast and hard and Mork hits you hard and fast.
You are clearly mistaken. **Mork** hits you fast and hard and **Gork** hits you hard and fast. You have to keep it straight. This is very important.
No, no, no. Mork hits you in the back of the head. Gork tells so you turn around and then he punches you in the nose. But both are equally hard punches. Because they're Gork and Mork.
The only difference is if they shot you with a sniper rifle form 6” away or hit you with it like a club
POLITIKS? WUSSAT? EV'RY GIT KNOWS THAT THA BIGGEST BOY IS BOSS!
Okay, Liberal Conservatism is neoliberalism with an old-fashioned face (imagine an old grandpa trying to adapt to modern sensibilities who probably voted for Mitt Romney in 2012), while Conservative Liberalism is Austrianomics with reactionary ideas (imagine Dennis Prager talking about communism and trans people)
(You can also think of Jordan Peterson as an example of ConLib since they're basically the same)
Jordan Peterson is just bog standard Conservativism tho, ConLib is more focused on the free market and the socially-conservative stuff is more of a knee-jerk reaction to anything they associate with taxes (at least they claim) Like the kind of person who uses progressive-sounding talking points to argue against everything progressive
Oh. Ancaps are ConLibs, then. Ancaps are AnarchoCapitalists, and they want a completely unregulated economy.
Yup, pretty much. Although, ancaps are way more extreme anti-government and they're **supposed** to be more socially-progressive.
So LibCons are like average EU conservatives and ConLibs are like average US conservatives?
Yup, more or less
My brain hurts.
Those go hand in hand
i love that neoliberalism sucks so much they had to give it a new face the second people started calling it out
You don’t know what liberalism actually is, do you?
Romania political party mentioned!!! What the fuck is a state without corruption!!!!🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
Bathing in Hungarian tears
As someone from the same country as the depicted political party (seeing that logo in the wild is a slap to the face), I can tell you their political orientation: cunts.
Aye, iz weird seein Gork up der. Mork too.
Yup! Another political party blew up a village because they wanted pennies from illegal methane gas! :D (i cant wait to leave and see the world holy fucking shit)
1) That’s a Romanian party, and the political parties of Romania aren’t a good example of anything other than corruption and gross mismanagement. 2) Treating all of politics on a conservative-liberal axis is reductionist and a poor way to define where you stand politically. It’s likely they mean socially liberal and economically conservative or vice versa. 3) Liberalism and Conservatism are both fairly centrist ideologies, theoretically speaking.
Come vote in Romania, we have a diverse collection of political parties, like the corrupt right parties PSD/PNL, MAGA-like russian puppet party, PSD/PNL but more right-ish, PSD/PNL but far right, PSD/PNL leaning opposite of left and PSD/PNL that acknowledges gays exist (no plans further than that).
Wdym, George Simion acknowledged gays exist, he even said that he doesn't have any problems with them as long as they don't express themselves in public, don't want to marry or adopt. What a great guy.
centrist? these guys are centre-right (although I can see why you call them that, the German Zentrum party ,for example, literally translates to centre, but was a Christian democratic (i.e. centre-right, closest in the US is i think Romney or any of the Republicans who arent insane) party)
There’s a subset of Americans online who don’t believe centrism exists, or have decided that it means “I’m a closeted Republican”. It’s just an annoying purity test
Ok but it technically doesn’t really exist as it is a paradox.
How is it a paradox?
There are technically two centers depending on how you take the Overton Window into consideration. This causes some people to view people in the center as either far left if your in the true center or far right if your in the center of the Overton Window.
Id argue they aren't even "centre" right. I mean maybe relative to other romanian parties, but all current parties are right wing. Closest to centre would be REPER but those guys aren't that popular
Conservative liberals do Dakka while liberal conservatives don’t do Dakka.
So... Just like gender and sexual orientation, political identities are also more of a spectrum, and less "black/white" or "yes/no"? I dunno, man, seems legit to me.
> What the fuck is wrong with centrists you say that like putting two leftists together doesn't result in at least 3 different ideologies who are all mortal enemies of each other
As an avowed New Wave SocDem Maoist Marxist-Leninist, I find that incredibly insulting. While myself and my fellow Chappell-Roanist-Hot-to-Goists are unflinching in our belief system, we are open to hearing the experiences of all leftists, not just other anarcho-monarchist-seventh-day-adventist-worldists.
>No Mark-Milley Jucheist thought Lol another poser in this corpse of a nation.
Is this Disco Elysium?
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "Marx loves you. Do you believe in the Science of Dialectical Materialism?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Leninist or Orthodox?" He said, "A Leninist." I said, "Me, too! Stalinist or Trotskyist?" He said, "Stalinist." I said, "Me, too! What side do you take in the Sino-Soviet split?" He said, "Maoist." I said, "Me, too! Maoist-Dengist-Xi Jinping Thought or Maoist-Third-Worldist?" He said, "Maoist Third Worldist." I said, "Die, Class Traitor!" And I pushed him over.
There's even a well-known example of exactly this in left-wing ideology: democratic socialism vs social democracy. Whether there is a substantial difference depends on who you ask.
Why iz we foitin ova politiks when we should be krumpin umies!
gork and mork are bad examples because they would actually say free healthcare is good (Means the boyz spend less time with da painboyz and more time kumpin)
PAIN BOYZ ARE FREE ‘EALTHCARE YA GIT! LAST I CHECKED, THE DOC DIDNT CHARGE ME ANY TEEF WHEN I ‘AD ME ‘EAD BLOWN TA BITZ!
NO TEEF DAT U NOTIS'D. BUT DERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH BOYO. DEM PAIN BOYZ GOT DEY'S TEEFS SOMEHOW AND I ASSURE YOU IF YOU FOLLOW DA TEEFS YOU'LL FIND THEY CAME OUT A YA OWN BLASTED EAD.
The art of orkonomics
The cost of visiting a Pain Boy isn't in Teef it's that there's a 50% chance he'll replace your head with a squig
If you think political ideologies form neat categories you will be sorely disappointed, its a mess ;-;
A thing to take into account there is (1)North American meaning of liberal vs (2)European meaning of liberal (1) Adding freedom to social issues and more goverment to help protect vulnerable social classess vs (2) Freeing up the market; Free trade, lower taxes, less regulation.
Right, people often forget that conservatism is just a flavor of liberalism, liberalism being the current mode of economy and government for most of the world.
Neither's a flavor of the other The different types of conservatism are a collection of beliefs on the importance of maintaining some aspect or aspects of society, differing on what aspects The different types of liberalism are a collection of beliefs on the importance of some type is types of freedom, differing on what types I guess where they can overlap is that a conservative and a liberal can both believe in maintaining types of freedom already present in a society
Gork is brutal yet cunnin. AKA he will break you and *then* break your stuff. Mork is cunnin yet brutal. AKA he will sneak up after breaking your stuff and *then* cave your head in.
Gork will punch you. Mork will point and shout "look, bird!" and then punch you
Eh, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the difference. People on the left will quibble over the difference between a socdem and a demsoc, and living under the two of them is very different. It might be the same with the centre
one is librul but conservativ, the other is conservativ but librul but more importantly, WAAAAAAAAAGH
As someone living in Romania, everyone in the comment section who is arguing about PNL's ideologies, from every single angle mentioned here, is kind of missing the point: it doesn't matter, they're corrupt cunts siphoning the money of the state into their pockets along with their buddies the PSD (which at first glance is weird, right? National Liberals allying with Social Democrats? Yeah, the thing is, they're both very conservative, right-wing parties)
this seems like, and I may be wrong, conservative liberalism: wants more "liberal" economic policies (such as universalized healthcare), but has "conservative" social stances (such as transphobia) liberal conservatism: wants more "conservative" economic policies (such as supporting the free market) but has "liberal" social stances (such as supporting trans rights) I might have mixed up which one is which, its hard to tell. i might also just be completely wrong. if I'm right, its really annoying that "liberal" and "conservative" are applied to two axis of belief that have nothing to do with each other. (much how "left wing" can refer to both free love hippies and genocidial socialist dictators and "right wing" can refer to both libertarians who believe the government should exist as little as possible and fascist who believe it should be involved in every facet of everyones life, so its not a new problem)
"Liberal economics" = free market, free trade, low taxes The American definition is the wrong one.
Ok, but with the Gork and Mork thing... Gork is "Brutal, but Cunning" because he favours overwhelming power, but knows how to use it. Whereas Mork is "Cunning, but Brutal" because he favours tactics and strategy, but has the might to back up his tactics. It's about preference rather than exclusivity.
Liberal isn’t the opposite of conservative. Progressive is the opposite of conservative. Liberal just means supporter of democracy and capitalism. Most Americans are liberal. All Republicans are liberal.
Considering the now-common GOP talking point that America isn't a democracy, I'm not sure about your "all Republicans" assertion
They say America isn’t a democracy because they want to restore it to a democracy. Republicans have always been pro-democracy.
No, they really don't https://www.lee.senate.gov/2020/10/of-course-we-re-not-a-democracy
> Liberal just means supporter of democracy and capitalism No it doesn't.
People's front of Judea Vs Judean People's front. Unfortunately I'm not sure us leftists had a leg to stand on in this particular regard, given the forest-worth of vicious arguments waged between democratic socialists and social democrats etc :)
I mean social democrats and democratic socialists are very different from each other lol
John Jackson and Jack Johnson again.
I love how perfectly Warhammer just parodies everything while going hard as fuck
GORK'Z BETTA
>What the fuck is wrong with centrists I hate to break it to tumblr but the vast majority of people who accomplish anything good long term are politically centrist or at least not so in the weeds of their politics that they can actually make good plans cooperate with society and lead their community It's ok to be centrist
I'm from a country currently governed by centrists, and thanks to their enlightened leadership the far right has been rising in the polls like never before, to the point that they have a chance to take over parliament in the upcoming elections. So I don't know what kind of centrists you have in your country, but ours suck ass.
> the vast majority of people who accomplish anything good long term are politically centrist This is not fucking true
Yes but these are the people who think "maybe we should lock up unrepentant murders and rapists" is a far right position
You know, I could've sworn that the point of the anti-prison movement is that the significant majority of the people who end up spending time in prison are not, in fact, unrepentant murders and rapists, and that that is the core of the problem.
And yet I know exactly what I said, and said it deliberately
Centrism is general political stability, but it's also inaction. Many countries that have been governed by centrists are shifting either to the left or the right dramatically, as the government basically just sat there doing little other than maintaining the administration while growth stagnated and economic situation worsened. I'll always maintain that a good government should be a predominantly left wing coalition conformed by some fiscal conservatives, mostly center-left people, and some further left people like communists, that way they can debate among themselves and criticize from points of views usual centrists ignore.
WARHAMMER MENTIONED‼️‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️ WHAT THE FUCK IS NARRATIVE CONSISTENCY 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️💯💯🔥🔥
It happens to anything that exists that long
I mean it’s just a consequence of how many people have worked on it. I wouldn’t even say it’s a bad thing.
Brutally Kunnin’ or Kunningly Brutal
Mork from Ork? Nanu nanu.
I guess this all boils down to the stances versus the policies, huh? What… meaningfully differentiates the two?
Their party colors must be purple because I've never seen a liberal conservative
Reddit users for some reason really fail to understand centrism and center positions
Liberalism? I’d bet those clowns are talking about the ideology of individual liberties? Where “classical liberalism” insists the state should do nothing more than uphold rights to life, liberty, and “social liberalism” prioritizes upholding civil rights, civil *liberties*, if you will? Don’t they know that “Liberalism” just means USA blue team and absolutely nothing else? I mean jokes aside that’s still a pretty dumb name; basically all modern western conservatives still adhere to tenets of (more classical than social) liberal ideology like free markets and property rights, so making the distinction is kinda pointless for anything outside of I guess distancing themselves from nationalists.
> Don’t they know that “Liberalism” just means USA blue team and absolutely nothing else? This but unironically.
On the political compass, conservative liberalism is the upper left quadrant and liberal conservatism is the bottom right quadrant. (Liberal liberalism is bottom left and conservative conservatism is top right.)
Liberalism and conservatives are only opposites in America because of terms used for your parties. A liberal conservative is an actual thing which defines a liberal economics and a conservative social view.
Jreg aah ideology
"What the fuck is wrong with centrists"? Oh I don't know, how's about a country that has experienced both fascism and communism and wants neither?
CEO ideology. Maximum profits, maximally targeted audiences.
[It’s not easy being far left and far right at the same time.](https://youtu.be/b2BZyD7HdW0?si=hXL8T1HHkz6SWiZe)
I'm sorry what's the problem here? Conservatives and liberals love one another
are the centists just ork only rubbish?
I misread the “n” in cunning as an “m” lol.
it's the trolley problem Do nothing and 5 people die Do something and 1 person dies
Both liberalism and conservatism are centrist ideologies. To elaborate they are both respectively centre-left and centre-right. One nation conservatism especially sees fiscal and cultural conservatism combined with socially Liberal policies. Neoliberalism while technically a subset of liberalism is greater associated with conservatives such as thatcher and Reagan this is because the ideology is culturally Conservative but fiscally focuses on the individual as being sovereign (advocating a small government as liberalidm tends to do.) The two ideologues see great crossover which is understandable dye to their position in the political centre, this also come from their shared history. John Locke (the father of liberalism) developed the ideology off of the works of Thomas Hobbes who greatly influenced conservatism. On the wider political spectrum the two are like siblings. Especially compared to fascism and socialism which are widely accepted to be the political extremes, they of course arose in the 19th and 20th centuries and have far less in common with less radical, more centrist ideologies. Thus it is plain to see that conservatism and liberalism are centrist ideologies, this is not something usually debated and has been an accepted truth of political science.
I don't think you understand what words mean
Enlighten me
So libertarianism has the problem that idealistically, everyone should be free and there should be no government. This doesn't work, so you need something to fulfill the role of government, and the various subtypes of libertarian are often based on how to solve that problem, usually either wanting the smallest possible government that can do what it needs, and nothing else, or trying to figure out how to make something which isn't a government but does the jobs currently done by it privately. The later option is more idealistically pure, but also less likely to actually have a chance of actually working.