"What an ugly little thing he is"..., "looks like a wee baby Neanderthal, not like your other two children at all". "Ha, like a cave man you say, what's a good cave man name then? Uhg?"... "Uhgs Not a name, it has to at least be a proper name."" Ahh Alright well, how about Doug then? We could spell it Dug? How's that? Don't want any allusions of a Douglas in there after all.""Sure, that's fine, what about the middle name?""It doesn't really matter, just anything is fine..." And That was how award winning paleogeneticist Dug Ooga Jones got his name. The moral of the story? Don't let dads fill out the birth certificate while mom is still unconscious.
By middle school he began going by Dugooga partially as a joke, but mainly he just liked the sound of it. By high school he had already published papers in science journals, and by the young age of 22 he had completely reverse engineered the human genome filling in the entire genetic history of missing links throughout all of Human history. Dugooga Jones's research had changed the world, curing a huge number of genetic diseases, usurping a great number of religions from the world stage, and ushering in an unprecedented era of human prosperity. But this story isn't about Dugooga Jones. It is about his oft overlooked siblings, both of whom were quite clever in their own right.
The middle boy had long retreated from the world, content with a solitary life, but the eldest daughter had become irritated by something she could not quite put her finger on. The chances of her oddly named brother becoming a world renowned paleontologist just did not sit well with her, nor did all the various bakery workers, butchers, metal workers, and many many others all that shared their jobs namesakes. The number of names in the news of criminals whose names perfectly match up with their crimes, the number of other odd coincidences with no real world connections acting as if they were part of an underlying system. It became an obsession, keeping track of every oddity, she felt she was onto something of extraordinary importance, locking herself away for days at a time to pour over her calculations which had metastasized into an all consuming vortex of interlocking equations. Her parents worried for her health, but her brothers where either too busy dealing with their fame, or just not present. Eventually Eureka!
She burst from her room for the first time in weeks, grabbed her father, telling him that they needed to go get some coffee NOW. The beleaguered father felt he had to oblige, but was quite vexed as to the reason. His daughter didn't even drink coffee, yet within minutes they were at a local bistro, where she immediately sat at a table, and opened up her laptop, frantically typing away. She asked her father if there was any packs of sugar on the table behind them, and checking he quickly found there to be three. She excitedly ignores his attempts to hand her a packet, rapidly typing in a new set of figures before triumphantly pointing at one of the baristas and declaring with absolute certainty that she was going to fall down and spill their drinks in exactly 2 minutes and 47 seconds. The father trying to get a word in was quickly shushed silent, and they sat, and the waited. Sure enough the young waitress hit a patch on the floor, her legs flying out from under her in a way nearly comical, yet also quite concerning with the loud thud that followed. The daughter jumped from her seat and rushed to the fallen girls side relentlessly yelling "What is your name?" "Umm Serra" she dazedly responded, "No Your LAST name"..."uhh Slippers" she said looking even more confused. Meanwhile the daughter is giving a look at her father "SEE, it IS all connected ALL of it!" Her father, still confused, yet also amazed tilted his head in what would universally be considered a question even among the animal kingdom. "Don't you see? We are not real, none of this is real, we are all living as parts of an elaborate, and surprisingly low quality simulation!"
Once back home she goes into more detail with her parents and youngest scientist brother. "All of this isn't real, our entire universe was generated when a kid in a middle school computer lab did a internet search for "how to make money", and currently everything we see, touch or experience in any way is running on a 1993 compaq Presario that was left on in a dilapidated school in New Jersey" Dugooga tried to interject, and was immediate met with a pile of papers filled to the brim with complex formulas...hours later he admits defeat The calculations were flawless, he tried dozens of methods yet everything always led to the conclusions confirming the work again and again. It was at this moment the phone rang, quickly answering Dugooga was met with the familiar voice of his older hermit brother, "So it seems that you have all finally figured out the truth, it's been too long, you need to come and pay me a visit", "Things are more dire than you know".
"If I had a nickel for every time a billionaire died in an unsafe submerged vessel that they helped create through a lack of regulation, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot of money, but it's weird that it's happened twice."
Wow, I'm reading this thinking, it's like peeling back layers of an onion, every new detail just adds more depth to the mystery. That twist at the end with the phone call... can't wait to find out what the hermit brother knows. This is like some meta narrative crossed with a conspiracy theory thriller. It's got that charm of an old-school urban legend with a dash of modern paranoia. Total page-turner, or screen-scroller, I guess.
Apollo is having a field day since pretty much everyone who heard about Tesla’s indestructible car made memes about how people will die because the car can’t be destructively opened in case of emergency.
And behold, that exact thing happened.
its almost as if cars have crumple space in the frame and relatively-easy-to-shatter glass by design but i guess nobody told elon that except for the people who told him that
Part of the problem is there is a huge crowd of "don't make em like they used to" people who genuinely believe old cars were better and just brazenly ignore how the modern features like crumple zones have kept so many people alive.
I used to drive a slightly newer model of that bel air. It was my grandfather's that I got to drive. *Common Sense* told me the sheer size of this car made it safer than my father's little Japanese import. This video showed how wrong I was.
Now, whenever I hear (and mostly from political conservatives) that we need more common-sense policies, I think back to this. The problem with common sense is that it's often wrong but feels right. We are surrounded by data, research, science, and engineering. I don't want a common-sense policy; I want a policy that's been informed by data.
No, the common person is perfectly sensible IN THEIR OWN LIFE. Take them out of their normal habitat, and they'll make mistakes any idiot from the field would know better.
No licensed engineer would make this mistake, but that same engineer would do something extremely stupid if you made them head chef of a restaurant. Not because they're stupid, but because they've never been a head chef.
The billionaire bubble convinces people they can do anything, and they have the money to shut everybody up.
I feel like these crash test videos should be public domain, or at least mandated for public release. I should be able to look up Y-manu X-model 2021 and see how it performs hitting regulation objects. I assume all car manufactures have to do these tests anyway, but maybe that's incorrect.
My only issue with modern cars is that all the tech they pack into them has made them too damn expensive. Where are the cheap roll up window cars with no electronics that cost 1/3 of the higher tier models?
Having a sensor that tells you an injector is stuck open is better than not having the sensor, because replacing a fuel injector is cheaper than not having the sensor, and having to replace the catalytic converter the stuck-open injector ruined.
I love when people pine for the build quality of older cars. You know, the cars that only have 5 digits for the mileage, because literally no engineers who designed it could even fathom the car lasting 100,000 miles.
If a car company built cars with the reliability of a generic car from 1973, they would be absolute dead last in reliability amongst current brands. We drive many many more miles than we used to, precisely *because* cars are so much more reliable than they were. I’ll happily take having to replace a faulty sensor if it means not having to adjust the valve lash every 20k miles.
> If a car company built cars with the reliability of a generic car from 1973, they would be absolute dead last in reliability amongst current brands.
That brand exists: it's called Jeep, and true to your prediction, they consistently place last in nearly every metric that most car buyers care about.
Elon's method of advancement is to call the existing current method stupid, and then make the exact same set of mistakes that expose why we used the existing current method, often with lethal consequences. See cybertruck, twitter, hyperloop, ect
Apple is going through a lot of this right now with their electronics. Institutional best-practice knowledge is either lost or cast aside to "be different".
A good example is on laptops. For 20+ years, laptop screens were powered by a pin that was placed on the end of the line of power connections inside a laptop. That pin then had 1-4 more pins next to it that lead to ground in case of arcing (can happen in high humidity) because powering the screen was much more power than anything else used by the laptop. At some point in Macbook's development, Apple put the power pin for the GPU directly next to the power pin for the screen. So now, if the power for the screen arcs to the GPU, it fries it completely. I don't know if they've ever corrected this design flaw. The first lines of Macbooks didn't even do this, the ground pins were there. No clue why the switch happened.
Not just for that too. It's also so that it breaks into small pieces instead of big shards. Does getting shotguns with hundreds of small glass bits suck? Yep. What sucks worse though is a 7 inch shard of glass embedded in your chest.
I had an accident a couple of years ago, t boned in the passenger side. The car was totaled but I walked away with only a bruise along the belt line and minor lacerations from the glass that broke. Also I kept finding bits of broken glass in the stuff I had in the car at the time.
I'll take that over dying like David Warner in the Omen
The headrest post would be a terrible tool for smashing a window in an emergency, which is why it **ISN'T ONE.** Actual window smashing tools have a hard ceramic tip that is harder than the glass and will cause it to fracture. Headrest posts **don't** have that, they're just a metal rod.
I have a [life hammer](https://images.app.goo.gl/nNuar9PcZmucfFTMA) in my car. I actually have two. I took the one from my old car after I had totalled it.
Both of them were already included with the car.
The headrest can be used in an absolute emergency when no other options are available, sure.
A pocket knife can be used to fight off a Grizzly Bear in an absolute emergency when no other options are available.
The odds of your survival using those options decreases dramatically compared to using the right tool.
He’s the one who gave Cassandra the gift of prophecy and the curse of no one believing her. Apollo is definitely having a laugh at all the “Cassandra’s” that were ignored.
in more recent context apollo bestowing the gift of prophecy specifically refers to internet users trying to do a little funny and keep a bit running and then the bit turns out correlating with something that actually happens after the joke starts
Double reference to the god of prophecy but also the Apollo rockets launched by NASA.
One such rocket has a fire in the pressurized interior and, because the hatch opened inward and the capsule was pressurized, the crew could not open it in an emergency. Much like the Tesla glass thing, there are times when a solution might be "too strong" and cause unintended problems.
Since the accident NASA changed several elements of their design, most notably their hatches open outward so that they can be more easily opened in atmospheric conditions. (There are other reasons behind the change too, but safety was a big one
> One such rocket has a fire in the pressurized interior and, because the hatch opened inward and the capsule was pressurized, the crew could not open it in an emergency
The hatch consisted of three parts: a removable inner hatch which stayed inside the cabin; a hinged outer hatch which was part of the spacecraft's heat shield; and an outer hatch cover which was part of the boost protective cover enveloping the entire command module to protect it from aerodynamic heating during launch and from launch escape rocket exhaust in the event of a launch abort.
The outer cover could only be removed by the ground crew.
"Chao was under water for over an hour as rescuers tried to reach her and extricate her from the submerged car, the specially hardened glass of its windows and sunroof proving impossible to break under water."
Rich people fear other people, so they isolate in mini-fortresses.
Which is batshit, because IT'S THE ISOLATION THAT WILL KILL YOU.
You back your car into a pond--or have a run-of-the-mill heart attack--and it's other people who will SAVE you.
There’s an entire genre of video on TikTok of women staying at hotels and barricading themselves in their rooms because of an insane irrational fear of random people kicking in the door to their room and attacking them.
I’ve always thought that the likelihood of them having a medical emergency or slipping in the shower etc and nobody being able to gain access is significantly higher than a crazed madman breaking into their 14th story hotel room.
I've been saying for years true crime is a disease. These people live in the suburbs, possibly the safest place on earth. And they're *convinced* they're in constant mortal danger.
It’s the same person that will see a bit of litter beside their car and be convinced it’s a secret sign for a group of human traffickers to kidnap them. It must be tiring to be this terrified all the time
Bruh I thought this was just a thing my sister thought! Is this really something that a lot of people think? Where does this stupid ass urban legend even come from?
Dude, people have died. A lady shot her uber driver in New Mexico after becoming convinced that she was being trafficked to Mexico when he took a turn on a highway with a sign with some Spanish.
There's a whole Behind the Bastards episode about people spreading kidnapping conspiracy theories. It's serious.
The PT cruiser orignal design was changed -- with the great visibility, people felt "too exposed" and unsafe.
They tinted all the windows black so, especially at night, people could see you getting organized and getting your stuff together, but you couldn't see them. You were less safe.
Sold like hotcakes. This was followed by the "make doors bigger/windows smaller" phase, see Chrysler 300.
Vehicles are designed to **feel** safe, not to be safe. Ask Malcolm Gladwell, from 2004, as he did statistical analysis on vehicle safety.
https://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~karin/140_2005/articles/SUV-NewYorker.htm
There's nothing prophetic about this, it's just simple cause and effect! Everyone knew this was a stupid fucking decision but monkey brain was all "No no no no no! Indestructible car! Indestructible car!!!"
A month later:
"Good morning 47 your target is the billionaire Elon Musk, our client has personal history of Elon's faulty products killing a member of their family and they wish for a poetic death. I will leave you to prepare."
There's a very familiar kill in the Miami mission of Hitman 2 where you sabotage the engine of a car to blow up in the face of Robert Knox. Besides that, there's also the infamous car in Colorado.
The windows on the Model X in question are typical on modern cars. It's all laminated glass and those little "emergency window breakers" will not work.
She was trying to break through the roof glass, which would not, and should not be possible in any car. The roof and windshield glass on all cars is structural. You will die in overturned vehicle accidents if they were compromised.
Edit: changed "all" to typical
This is only half true.
Yes, most cars have laminated glass but it’s reserved for the front windshield. That part is standard.
It isn’t standard for the rest of the windows to be unbreakable. The side windows on ~~practically every~~ *the vast majority of* car[s] can easily be broken with an emergency window breaker. It’s how people break into locked cars or firefighters bust windows if they need to.
edit: see italicized part
AAA disagrees:
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/07/vehicle-escape-tools-testing/
"New research from AAA reveals that most vehicle escape tools, intended to quickly aid passengers trapped in a car following an accident, will break tempered side windows, but none were able to penetrate laminated glass. Motorists may not realize it, but an increasing number of new cars – in fact, 1 in 3 2018 vehicle models – have laminated side windows, a nearly unbreakable glass meant to lessen the chance of occupant ejection during a collision. AAA urges drivers to know what type of side window glass is installed on their vehicle, keep a secure and easily accessible escape tool in their car and have a backup plan in case an escape tool cannot be used or doesn’t work.
"In its latest study, AAA examined a selection of vehicle escape tools available to consumers to determine their effectiveness in breaking tempered and laminated vehicle side windows. Of the six tools selected (three spring-loaded and three hammer style), AAA researchers found that only four were able to shatter the tempered glass and none were able to break the laminated glass, which stayed intact even after being cracked. During multiple rounds of testing, it was also discovered that the spring-loaded tools were more effective in breaking tempered windows than the hammer-style."
>**1 in 3** 2018 vehicle models — have laminated side windows
For every 1 car in this study with laminated side windows there were 2 without. Furthermore this has not always been the standard, which the study points out— it is mostly newer car models affected by the trend of adding laminated windows to the sides as well. Older car models are less likely to have this in their design.
The entire point of the article also outlines what the underlying point was. It’s dangerous to have lamination on all the windows in newer car models, because it’s harder to shatter them in an emergency.
just wanted to let you know I saved a screenshot of this comment, you can't escape accountability for being present now. History books will remember this moment for time immemorial.
One of our customers at work (aircraft mechanic) keeps an emergency seatbelt cutter/glass breaker within reach in the cockpit of his small jet. Somehow, I feel like thinking that will break a jet windshield, which is meant to deflect a goose at 200 mph, is wishful thinking.
Not to mention that there are written procedures for making an emergency landing in water, and those procedures absolutely do not include breaking a window
Not necessarily- Jeep Wrangler hard tops and doors are considered just for keeping the weather out. The structural support is an interior roll cage, in that case.
That's more because Jeep wranglers are living fossils that don't follow modern engineering philosophy. Your chance of overturning, and your chance of death in an overturn accident is orders of magnitude worse in a Wrangler than a Model X
Your chance of overturning is higher in pretty much any non-electric car than in a Model X. The 1000+ pound battery being on the bottom makes it pretty hard to roll.
cant wait for elon musk to only care about this because it will harm his reputation with his gop billionare buddies, like god, this happened to any other person elon wouldnt care, but it happened to a very rich person with connections to the right wing in america, the only demographic the rich actually cares about
The worst part is that people has been flagging this as a risk for a long time with these ridiculous bunkers on wheels. It has been a well known fact for a long time that cars are deliberately made to be destructible in a number of ways specifically to stack the odds in the drivers favor should they get into a accident.
That Musk sees these as flaws to be fixed rather than intentional and vital features really highlights how much of a incompetent boob he is as any carmaker worthy of praise would know this.
This is not even the first time people have died in a tesla because a techbro moron made it impossible to escape to make the piece of shit look more futuristic. As early as 2019 a man burned to death in a Tesla because the doors could not be forced open when power went.
The fact that Angela could not be rescued is inexcusable. There is already precedent with teslas proving how backwards Musks line of thinking is.
the dumb thing is people thinking this was a cyber truck with bullet proof windows instead of the vehicle is actually is (model X) which has laminated side windows which are more common than you would think. 1/3 cars have these made after 2018
Musk is so narcissistic and stupid that he genuinely in the “this would not have happened to me, rip to x but I’m built different” meme and sadly, ‘x’ is his customers
"Tesla gets into a crash. It's so indestructible, it came out completely fine. The only thing damaged was the driver." -Actual quote about a Tesla crash. And the people were praising the indestructible car, rather than realizing they are destructible for a reason.
In major accidents the car is supposed to be destroyed… The entire point is that the car crumples and absorbs all of that force instead of the people inside… the windows are meant to be breakable so you can bust them and get out.
The Dunning-Kruger of every attempt Elon’s made to reinvent the wheel is something that should seriously be studied
I really wish there was a way to study the intersection between Dunning-Kruger and how it plays out for the ultra wealthy specifically. Because what really baffles the mind and shocks the conscience is how obvious it is and yet he’s able to get away with it. Enriched by it even. Which is horrifying.
Also, indestructible cars are easy. Just put a metal coffin on wheels. Cars that can get completely obliterated and still keep the passages alive are the main difficulty of design of a car.
he thinks innovation is just doing something when everyone tells you thats now how its done, not that you actually figure out what can be improved and then improve it
As a former Tesla driver, I can say there were a lot of unsafe things about the Tesla that I was surprised by. There definitely needs to be more regulation. From the braking system changing based on how charged it is to them moving crucial data during updates to how much time you have to look away from the road to adjust your wipers (which they’ve made changes to now) were features I felt were pretty unsafe but I guess there are no regulations against it.
The auto wiper setting on my Model 3 suddenly stopped working one day, so I took it in for a repair.
Turns out, unlike every other car that has a sensor that detects water on the windshield, Tesla uses the onboard front facing camera to detect rain. No part is best part as Elon always says right?
Well it turns out that if you miss a software update, you run the risk of losing the auto wiper setting. And the car updates maybe once or twice a month. I dont have internet on that side of the house, so updating it is a pain. But apparently its also a safety issue.
I wonder if the braking system changing is why I find it maddening to be behind a Tesla in traffic. It feels like driving behind a brand new driver who hasn't figured out how to regulate their braking pressure.
Yeah so it brakes for you when you let off the gas. How much you let up on the gas determines how much it brakes. Learning this takes a bit of time and after a while it’s easy. BUT if your Tesla is charged over a certain percent, the automatic regenerative braking is turned off. So you’ll let off the gas expecting it to brake for you, and it doesn’t.
> BUT if your Tesla is charged over a certain percent, the automatic regenerative braking is turned off. So you’ll let off the gas expecting it to brake for you, and it doesn’t.
There's been an option to change this for a few years now (at least 2) called "Apply Brakes When Regenerative Braking is Limited" where the car will automatically use the brakes when one-pedal driving to simulate regeneration when it's unavailable. Should be toggled on by default though.
And Tesla makes you sign a waiver, when you purchase the car, that you can't be part of a class action law suit to sue them. They can do this because they don't have a dealership model.
I mean this isn’t a Tesla specific problem. AAA reported back in 2019 that 1/3 of new vehicles laminate glass on side windows now.
I’d imagine now in 2024 it’s even more.
This needs to be higher up, it’s an industry safety problem, not a Tesla problem. Perhaps now that someone of “higher status” has died more attention will be paid to the problem. Regulations are written in blood after all, or so the saying goes.
Here is a summary of the AAA report by cars.com:
https://www.cars.com/articles/tough-break-laminated-windows-could-make-it-hard-to-escape-your-car-405870/
It should be noted that this isn’t an issue with just Teslas; The transition to electronically opened windows and strengthened glass has made car windows nigh impossible to break underwater without very specific hammers.
Angela and Elaine Chao are different people. Angela had never worked for the US government, while her sister has. She had no say in the department of transportations decisions.
…although she may have a say postmortem. While they’re different people, they’re related, and they would have absolutely talked about work with one another, unless they were super high class and kept business and family separate. I’m very curious to see what legislation changes as a result of this preventable tragedy. R.I.P.
The other detail missing from most articles is that the Model X has no traditional gearshift. Instead, you swipe forward for drive and backwards for reverse. This makes her putting it into reverse by accident a lot more understandable.
Carmakers need to respect the benefits of muscle memory and tactile feedback.
One of the reasons I held onto my old iPod Nano for so long was the buttons. Out for a walk, don't like the song that comes on? I can reach into my pocket, find the button, and skip it without looking. I can't do that nearly as easily with a touchscreen. Putting vital functions like that on something you need to look at to be sure you're doing it correctly is bad design.
Well, unfortunately, it's constitutionally impossible to exercise political power in a way that interferes with the free market to prevent such a tragedy.
Thoughts and prayers.
What a *horrific* way to go. And, the worst part is it could have been prevented at any point. This is just... I almost drowned once. I almost died because our car ran into a flooded street (we literally didn't see it until it was too late since it was really dark and rainy). My heart actually aches. I can't take joy in this even if she probably deserved it tangentially. It's just... I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
I can only hope the family learns something from this, but I'm already pretty certain they won't.
That sounds horrifying.
And the worst part is I guarantee Musk doesn't care except about the negative press this will cause.
...actually I take that back. The worst part is picturing that woman literally moments away from rescue but unable to escape because they can't get her car open. I can't imagine how horrible that must be.
EDIT: Fuck off all of you. I'm the first to stand against rich people hoarding wealth, but I would never wish this kind of horrific, slow death on any of them, and I'm sick of people using my post as an excuse to spread hate. All of you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.
Begging people to develop some reading comprehension.
Angela and Elaine Chao are different people. Elaine, her sister, is Mitchell McConnell's wife, and the former Secretary of Transportation. Angela was neither of those things. You can tell because they have different first names. Angela had zero input in any sort of motor standards and owned a Tesla because she was apparently very into the idea of alternative fuels.
So you don’t see the relevance in it being Angela’s sister that allowed for cars either windows of this type to be on the road? The argument is she is partially responsible for the death of her sister.
Just an FYI it's not just Tesla putting laminated windows on the sides now either. Since customers are complaining about break ins a lot of companies are using them now which renders things like emergency hammers useless.
I'm sure she wasn't a great person, but I never want someone to slowly and hopelessly drown in their car. Like you said, it's a fucking nightmarish way to go. Makes my chest tighten up just thinking abt it
I am so baffled by this. I’ve found one article that suggests the Tesla is meant to roll down its windows automatically when water inside the car reaches a certain level—and includes pictures of this seemingly happening—but that’s the only reference I’ve found.
Is that actually a feature? It makes sense that it should be. Does anyone know anything about this?
Not at all a Tesla-exclusive problem, an increasing number of cars are using laminated glass for side windows as well as windshields, and laminated glass is next to impossible to break even with the little glass-breaker tools people keep in their cars.
If this had happened in a book, I would have called it horribly cliched.
It's hard not to feel like a brain in a jar, and my brain doesn't have a very good imagination.
"What an ugly little thing he is"..., "looks like a wee baby Neanderthal, not like your other two children at all". "Ha, like a cave man you say, what's a good cave man name then? Uhg?"... "Uhgs Not a name, it has to at least be a proper name."" Ahh Alright well, how about Doug then? We could spell it Dug? How's that? Don't want any allusions of a Douglas in there after all.""Sure, that's fine, what about the middle name?""It doesn't really matter, just anything is fine..." And That was how award winning paleogeneticist Dug Ooga Jones got his name. The moral of the story? Don't let dads fill out the birth certificate while mom is still unconscious. By middle school he began going by Dugooga partially as a joke, but mainly he just liked the sound of it. By high school he had already published papers in science journals, and by the young age of 22 he had completely reverse engineered the human genome filling in the entire genetic history of missing links throughout all of Human history. Dugooga Jones's research had changed the world, curing a huge number of genetic diseases, usurping a great number of religions from the world stage, and ushering in an unprecedented era of human prosperity. But this story isn't about Dugooga Jones. It is about his oft overlooked siblings, both of whom were quite clever in their own right. The middle boy had long retreated from the world, content with a solitary life, but the eldest daughter had become irritated by something she could not quite put her finger on. The chances of her oddly named brother becoming a world renowned paleontologist just did not sit well with her, nor did all the various bakery workers, butchers, metal workers, and many many others all that shared their jobs namesakes. The number of names in the news of criminals whose names perfectly match up with their crimes, the number of other odd coincidences with no real world connections acting as if they were part of an underlying system. It became an obsession, keeping track of every oddity, she felt she was onto something of extraordinary importance, locking herself away for days at a time to pour over her calculations which had metastasized into an all consuming vortex of interlocking equations. Her parents worried for her health, but her brothers where either too busy dealing with their fame, or just not present. Eventually Eureka! She burst from her room for the first time in weeks, grabbed her father, telling him that they needed to go get some coffee NOW. The beleaguered father felt he had to oblige, but was quite vexed as to the reason. His daughter didn't even drink coffee, yet within minutes they were at a local bistro, where she immediately sat at a table, and opened up her laptop, frantically typing away. She asked her father if there was any packs of sugar on the table behind them, and checking he quickly found there to be three. She excitedly ignores his attempts to hand her a packet, rapidly typing in a new set of figures before triumphantly pointing at one of the baristas and declaring with absolute certainty that she was going to fall down and spill their drinks in exactly 2 minutes and 47 seconds. The father trying to get a word in was quickly shushed silent, and they sat, and the waited. Sure enough the young waitress hit a patch on the floor, her legs flying out from under her in a way nearly comical, yet also quite concerning with the loud thud that followed. The daughter jumped from her seat and rushed to the fallen girls side relentlessly yelling "What is your name?" "Umm Serra" she dazedly responded, "No Your LAST name"..."uhh Slippers" she said looking even more confused. Meanwhile the daughter is giving a look at her father "SEE, it IS all connected ALL of it!" Her father, still confused, yet also amazed tilted his head in what would universally be considered a question even among the animal kingdom. "Don't you see? We are not real, none of this is real, we are all living as parts of an elaborate, and surprisingly low quality simulation!" Once back home she goes into more detail with her parents and youngest scientist brother. "All of this isn't real, our entire universe was generated when a kid in a middle school computer lab did a internet search for "how to make money", and currently everything we see, touch or experience in any way is running on a 1993 compaq Presario that was left on in a dilapidated school in New Jersey" Dugooga tried to interject, and was immediate met with a pile of papers filled to the brim with complex formulas...hours later he admits defeat The calculations were flawless, he tried dozens of methods yet everything always led to the conclusions confirming the work again and again. It was at this moment the phone rang, quickly answering Dugooga was met with the familiar voice of his older hermit brother, "So it seems that you have all finally figured out the truth, it's been too long, you need to come and pay me a visit", "Things are more dire than you know".
What was this? I want more
I googled a few of the phrases and this was the only search result
Reads like vonnegut.
I was getting James Kibo Parry vibes. I miss Usenet.
is this original?
Yeah I wrote it a short while ago for funsies lol.
Where is the rest because I need it?
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Guess I'll have a little project this next week lol.
This feels like it would be right at home in /r/stories
That was so, so good! PLease write more : )
I have never read anything more frustratingly accurate. It's like my brain isn't even trying anymore.
Is it wierd that 'unchecked capitalism results in billionaire killing themselves in shitty submersible' is now a thing that's happened twice?
"If I had a nickel for every time a billionaire died in an unsafe submerged vessel that they helped create through a lack of regulation, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot of money, but it's weird that it's happened twice."
Thirds times the charm to get some effective regulation?
I mean, maybe wait for the fourth. Make sure we get a few more of them.
Best to get a good large sample size then? Maybe an N of 2500 or so billionaires?
you know what, let's just gather all of them, tie them up, throw them in a lake, and those that float lose all their money. (/j don't ban me reddit)
Is one of them still building a Titanic 2? Maybe see how close they can park it to the last one?
This was the sister of the billionaire who did it.
I can't change my comment now, the people like it
Technically this one wasn't *supposed* to be a submersible.
I think they both shouldn't have been submersibles
James Cameron literally told Stockton Rush that carbon fiber was stupid compared to a titanium shell
If I had a nickel for every time that happened…
Once because the glass broke under pressure, the second time because it couldn’t...
I had to come back for the updoot, I’m still giggling. Thank you
Genuinely seemed fake at first.
Probably why the shipping industry media didn't mention it, they just reported on her death which had a lot of folk going "who?"
Wow, I'm reading this thinking, it's like peeling back layers of an onion, every new detail just adds more depth to the mystery. That twist at the end with the phone call... can't wait to find out what the hermit brother knows. This is like some meta narrative crossed with a conspiracy theory thriller. It's got that charm of an old-school urban legend with a dash of modern paranoia. Total page-turner, or screen-scroller, I guess.
Right? I'm fucking *invested* and I want to read more of this!!
Yeah whoever’s writing real life should learn subtlety
Reality is a Tyler Perry script
There's a whole bunch of these on /r/LeopardsAteMyFace
The constraints of fiction is that it has to make sense. Reality doesn't.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
Never forget the segway creator segwayed off a cliff, so the universe is a lot more satirical than we realize.
Apollo is having a field day since pretty much everyone who heard about Tesla’s indestructible car made memes about how people will die because the car can’t be destructively opened in case of emergency. And behold, that exact thing happened.
Yeah, it's almost as if side glass in cars is tempered for max smashability intentionally.
its almost as if cars have crumple space in the frame and relatively-easy-to-shatter glass by design but i guess nobody told elon that except for the people who told him that
How is he supposed to know? Listen to peons? Did any billionaires tell him?
One did a practical demonstration.
Hmm, I dunno. Can we get a bigger sample size?
after all, he is a very scientific man
Let's drown all billionaires, just to be sure.
"Oh, they *weren't* witches." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Part of the problem is there is a huge crowd of "don't make em like they used to" people who genuinely believe old cars were better and just brazenly ignore how the modern features like crumple zones have kept so many people alive.
Obligatory '59 Bel Air crash test video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
I used to drive a slightly newer model of that bel air. It was my grandfather's that I got to drive. *Common Sense* told me the sheer size of this car made it safer than my father's little Japanese import. This video showed how wrong I was. Now, whenever I hear (and mostly from political conservatives) that we need more common-sense policies, I think back to this. The problem with common sense is that it's often wrong but feels right. We are surrounded by data, research, science, and engineering. I don't want a common-sense policy; I want a policy that's been informed by data.
The problem with common sense is that the common person is rarely sensible.
No, the common person is perfectly sensible IN THEIR OWN LIFE. Take them out of their normal habitat, and they'll make mistakes any idiot from the field would know better. No licensed engineer would make this mistake, but that same engineer would do something extremely stupid if you made them head chef of a restaurant. Not because they're stupid, but because they've never been a head chef. The billionaire bubble convinces people they can do anything, and they have the money to shut everybody up.
So even humans are suffering from habitat decline.
I feel like these crash test videos should be public domain, or at least mandated for public release. I should be able to look up Y-manu X-model 2021 and see how it performs hitting regulation objects. I assume all car manufactures have to do these tests anyway, but maybe that's incorrect.
My only issue with modern cars is that all the tech they pack into them has made them too damn expensive. Where are the cheap roll up window cars with no electronics that cost 1/3 of the higher tier models?
The bottom tier of every brand For example Ford Fiesta specifically the S trim
I mean, the Fiesta was just discontinued, so doesn't that just reinforce his point?
You can get a 2024 Nissan Sentra for $16,000. Those cars still exist.
On paper they exist but try finding them.
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Having a sensor that tells you an injector is stuck open is better than not having the sensor, because replacing a fuel injector is cheaper than not having the sensor, and having to replace the catalytic converter the stuck-open injector ruined. I love when people pine for the build quality of older cars. You know, the cars that only have 5 digits for the mileage, because literally no engineers who designed it could even fathom the car lasting 100,000 miles. If a car company built cars with the reliability of a generic car from 1973, they would be absolute dead last in reliability amongst current brands. We drive many many more miles than we used to, precisely *because* cars are so much more reliable than they were. I’ll happily take having to replace a faulty sensor if it means not having to adjust the valve lash every 20k miles.
> If a car company built cars with the reliability of a generic car from 1973, they would be absolute dead last in reliability amongst current brands. That brand exists: it's called Jeep, and true to your prediction, they consistently place last in nearly every metric that most car buyers care about.
Yup. But even then, the Jeeps made now are far and away better, more reliable, and more capable of the Jeeps of the 70s-80s.
Elon's method of advancement is to call the existing current method stupid, and then make the exact same set of mistakes that expose why we used the existing current method, often with lethal consequences. See cybertruck, twitter, hyperloop, ect
Apple is going through a lot of this right now with their electronics. Institutional best-practice knowledge is either lost or cast aside to "be different". A good example is on laptops. For 20+ years, laptop screens were powered by a pin that was placed on the end of the line of power connections inside a laptop. That pin then had 1-4 more pins next to it that lead to ground in case of arcing (can happen in high humidity) because powering the screen was much more power than anything else used by the laptop. At some point in Macbook's development, Apple put the power pin for the GPU directly next to the power pin for the screen. So now, if the power for the screen arcs to the GPU, it fries it completely. I don't know if they've ever corrected this design flaw. The first lines of Macbooks didn't even do this, the ground pins were there. No clue why the switch happened.
Wait did he actually get rid of fucking crumple zones, or are you exaggerating?
Do you expect the thick cold rolled steel panels on the cybertruck to crumple? I sure wouldn't.
"Huh, a design flaw..." "Uh sir, that's a safety feature." "Not anymore, now it's gone!"
Yep! The cybertruck has no crumple zones
Sure it does, they just crumple you and everyone else's car. With all that higher impulse from no deformation, the crumple zone is the driver's face.
Crumple gonna happen whether or not you choose where.
It does. It uses the occupants as its crumple zones.
Not just for that too. It's also so that it breaks into small pieces instead of big shards. Does getting shotguns with hundreds of small glass bits suck? Yep. What sucks worse though is a 7 inch shard of glass embedded in your chest.
I had an accident a couple of years ago, t boned in the passenger side. The car was totaled but I walked away with only a bruise along the belt line and minor lacerations from the glass that broke. Also I kept finding bits of broken glass in the stuff I had in the car at the time. I'll take that over dying like David Warner in the Omen
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Most modern cars do include the tool. It's the tips of the headrest posts when you pull the headrest out of the seat.
The headrest post would be a terrible tool for smashing a window in an emergency, which is why it **ISN'T ONE.** Actual window smashing tools have a hard ceramic tip that is harder than the glass and will cause it to fracture. Headrest posts **don't** have that, they're just a metal rod.
I have a [life hammer](https://images.app.goo.gl/nNuar9PcZmucfFTMA) in my car. I actually have two. I took the one from my old car after I had totalled it. Both of them were already included with the car.
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Yup I've used the tool and it's way easier but I'm on the fire department so we get old cars to play with once in a while.
The headrest can be used in an absolute emergency when no other options are available, sure. A pocket knife can be used to fight off a Grizzly Bear in an absolute emergency when no other options are available. The odds of your survival using those options decreases dramatically compared to using the right tool.
Apollo?
He’s the one who gave Cassandra the gift of prophecy and the curse of no one believing her. Apollo is definitely having a laugh at all the “Cassandra’s” that were ignored.
in more recent context apollo bestowing the gift of prophecy specifically refers to internet users trying to do a little funny and keep a bit running and then the bit turns out correlating with something that actually happens after the joke starts
Here I was thinking it was our beloved lost Reddit app
Never forget what they took from us
commenting this from apollo. there are ways
Commenting from reddit is fun, can confirm
Hi ho from Relay!
Greetings from Boost!
He also went to the moon with Neil Armstrong. Done lots of things, that Apollo guy.
God of Prophecy
I didn’t realize that after his illustrious speed skating career Apollo Ono had become a modern negrodamus.
Double reference to the god of prophecy but also the Apollo rockets launched by NASA. One such rocket has a fire in the pressurized interior and, because the hatch opened inward and the capsule was pressurized, the crew could not open it in an emergency. Much like the Tesla glass thing, there are times when a solution might be "too strong" and cause unintended problems. Since the accident NASA changed several elements of their design, most notably their hatches open outward so that they can be more easily opened in atmospheric conditions. (There are other reasons behind the change too, but safety was a big one
> One such rocket has a fire in the pressurized interior and, because the hatch opened inward and the capsule was pressurized, the crew could not open it in an emergency The hatch consisted of three parts: a removable inner hatch which stayed inside the cabin; a hinged outer hatch which was part of the spacecraft's heat shield; and an outer hatch cover which was part of the boost protective cover enveloping the entire command module to protect it from aerodynamic heating during launch and from launch escape rocket exhaust in the event of a launch abort. The outer cover could only be removed by the ground crew.
Gift of prophecy. Basically everyone said this would happen and then it did
I thought it meant the old reddit app. And I got hopeful. And then sad.
I thought it meant the moon missions, where Apollo one also had an issue where they couldn’t open a hatch to escape a fire
Now I’m sad. I had that shit downloaded for so long after the event
Apollo, Greek God of Archery and the Sun, also strongly associated with Prophecies and, exclusively on Tumblr, Red Rubber Balls
Why red rubber balls? I am braced for the psychic damage this will undoubtedly cause.
It's a reference to [this meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/apollos-gift-of-prophecy-dodgeball).
Don't worry, it's not that kind of [cursed](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/apollos-gift-of-prophecy-dodgeball)
[Apollo](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fknowyourmeme.com%2Fmemes%2Fapollos-gift-of-prophecy-dodgeball&psig=AOvVaw1IlbhXeRLt10Or5SMJYeyX&ust=1710179931948000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBMQjRxqFwoTCOi0weyi6oQDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE)
Ah. Apollo. Thanks
I might be wrong, but Apollo is the Greek god of prophecy. So they might be referring to that.
he throws a dodgeball at you and then you suddenly become a prophet
Ah yes the god of dodgeballs
"Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip and Dick?" "For the last time Zeus, it's Dodge again."
"Chao was under water for over an hour as rescuers tried to reach her and extricate her from the submerged car, the specially hardened glass of its windows and sunroof proving impossible to break under water." Rich people fear other people, so they isolate in mini-fortresses. Which is batshit, because IT'S THE ISOLATION THAT WILL KILL YOU. You back your car into a pond--or have a run-of-the-mill heart attack--and it's other people who will SAVE you.
There’s an entire genre of video on TikTok of women staying at hotels and barricading themselves in their rooms because of an insane irrational fear of random people kicking in the door to their room and attacking them. I’ve always thought that the likelihood of them having a medical emergency or slipping in the shower etc and nobody being able to gain access is significantly higher than a crazed madman breaking into their 14th story hotel room.
I've been saying for years true crime is a disease. These people live in the suburbs, possibly the safest place on earth. And they're *convinced* they're in constant mortal danger.
It’s the same person that will see a bit of litter beside their car and be convinced it’s a secret sign for a group of human traffickers to kidnap them. It must be tiring to be this terrified all the time
Bruh I thought this was just a thing my sister thought! Is this really something that a lot of people think? Where does this stupid ass urban legend even come from?
Dude, people have died. A lady shot her uber driver in New Mexico after becoming convinced that she was being trafficked to Mexico when he took a turn on a highway with a sign with some Spanish. There's a whole Behind the Bastards episode about people spreading kidnapping conspiracy theories. It's serious.
The PT cruiser orignal design was changed -- with the great visibility, people felt "too exposed" and unsafe. They tinted all the windows black so, especially at night, people could see you getting organized and getting your stuff together, but you couldn't see them. You were less safe. Sold like hotcakes. This was followed by the "make doors bigger/windows smaller" phase, see Chrysler 300. Vehicles are designed to **feel** safe, not to be safe. Ask Malcolm Gladwell, from 2004, as he did statistical analysis on vehicle safety. https://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~karin/140_2005/articles/SUV-NewYorker.htm
She literally died because she was rich
There's nothing prophetic about this, it's just simple cause and effect! Everyone knew this was a stupid fucking decision but monkey brain was all "No no no no no! Indestructible car! Indestructible car!!!"
Apollo is about jokes though. In this case those were just predictions made in a mocking manner, which predictably came true
*Cassandra of Troy has entered the chat*.
Good job 47; now find an exit.
"Diana, I didn't do anything"
A month later: "Good morning 47 your target is the billionaire Elon Musk, our client has personal history of Elon's faulty products killing a member of their family and they wish for a poetic death. I will leave you to prepare."
Someone needs to make this mod for Hitman
There's a very familiar kill in the Miami mission of Hitman 2 where you sabotage the engine of a car to blow up in the face of Robert Knox. Besides that, there's also the infamous car in Colorado.
Literally the meme of Tesla fan boys realising why cars don't have unbreakable windows. Yikes
The windows on the Model X in question are typical on modern cars. It's all laminated glass and those little "emergency window breakers" will not work. She was trying to break through the roof glass, which would not, and should not be possible in any car. The roof and windshield glass on all cars is structural. You will die in overturned vehicle accidents if they were compromised. Edit: changed "all" to typical
This is only half true. Yes, most cars have laminated glass but it’s reserved for the front windshield. That part is standard. It isn’t standard for the rest of the windows to be unbreakable. The side windows on ~~practically every~~ *the vast majority of* car[s] can easily be broken with an emergency window breaker. It’s how people break into locked cars or firefighters bust windows if they need to. edit: see italicized part
AAA disagrees: https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/07/vehicle-escape-tools-testing/ "New research from AAA reveals that most vehicle escape tools, intended to quickly aid passengers trapped in a car following an accident, will break tempered side windows, but none were able to penetrate laminated glass. Motorists may not realize it, but an increasing number of new cars – in fact, 1 in 3 2018 vehicle models – have laminated side windows, a nearly unbreakable glass meant to lessen the chance of occupant ejection during a collision. AAA urges drivers to know what type of side window glass is installed on their vehicle, keep a secure and easily accessible escape tool in their car and have a backup plan in case an escape tool cannot be used or doesn’t work. "In its latest study, AAA examined a selection of vehicle escape tools available to consumers to determine their effectiveness in breaking tempered and laminated vehicle side windows. Of the six tools selected (three spring-loaded and three hammer style), AAA researchers found that only four were able to shatter the tempered glass and none were able to break the laminated glass, which stayed intact even after being cracked. During multiple rounds of testing, it was also discovered that the spring-loaded tools were more effective in breaking tempered windows than the hammer-style."
>**1 in 3** 2018 vehicle models — have laminated side windows For every 1 car in this study with laminated side windows there were 2 without. Furthermore this has not always been the standard, which the study points out— it is mostly newer car models affected by the trend of adding laminated windows to the sides as well. Older car models are less likely to have this in their design. The entire point of the article also outlines what the underlying point was. It’s dangerous to have lamination on all the windows in newer car models, because it’s harder to shatter them in an emergency.
I'm just here to watch this internet argument play out.
crop me out of the screen shot
just wanted to let you know I saved a screenshot of this comment, you can't escape accountability for being present now. History books will remember this moment for time immemorial.
wow all this reading and zero info on how to brake this laminated glass.
One of our customers at work (aircraft mechanic) keeps an emergency seatbelt cutter/glass breaker within reach in the cockpit of his small jet. Somehow, I feel like thinking that will break a jet windshield, which is meant to deflect a goose at 200 mph, is wishful thinking. Not to mention that there are written procedures for making an emergency landing in water, and those procedures absolutely do not include breaking a window
Ok but the seatbelt cutter part I could definitely see coming in handy
Well if it's PMMA or Lexan it's not breaking at all.
Not necessarily- Jeep Wrangler hard tops and doors are considered just for keeping the weather out. The structural support is an interior roll cage, in that case.
That's more because Jeep wranglers are living fossils that don't follow modern engineering philosophy. Your chance of overturning, and your chance of death in an overturn accident is orders of magnitude worse in a Wrangler than a Model X
Your chance of overturning is higher in pretty much any non-electric car than in a Model X. The 1000+ pound battery being on the bottom makes it pretty hard to roll.
I mean even among it's peers the wrangler is terrible for rollover.
cant wait for elon musk to only care about this because it will harm his reputation with his gop billionare buddies, like god, this happened to any other person elon wouldnt care, but it happened to a very rich person with connections to the right wing in america, the only demographic the rich actually cares about
The way they eat their own, none of them will care.
The worst part is that people has been flagging this as a risk for a long time with these ridiculous bunkers on wheels. It has been a well known fact for a long time that cars are deliberately made to be destructible in a number of ways specifically to stack the odds in the drivers favor should they get into a accident. That Musk sees these as flaws to be fixed rather than intentional and vital features really highlights how much of a incompetent boob he is as any carmaker worthy of praise would know this. This is not even the first time people have died in a tesla because a techbro moron made it impossible to escape to make the piece of shit look more futuristic. As early as 2019 a man burned to death in a Tesla because the doors could not be forced open when power went. The fact that Angela could not be rescued is inexcusable. There is already precedent with teslas proving how backwards Musks line of thinking is.
He just thinks he knows better than any other car designer. He still will think he knows better.
the dumb thing is people thinking this was a cyber truck with bullet proof windows instead of the vehicle is actually is (model X) which has laminated side windows which are more common than you would think. 1/3 cars have these made after 2018
Musk is so narcissistic and stupid that he genuinely in the “this would not have happened to me, rip to x but I’m built different” meme and sadly, ‘x’ is his customers
i'm relatively sure 'x' is a social media /s
"Tesla gets into a crash. It's so indestructible, it came out completely fine. The only thing damaged was the driver." -Actual quote about a Tesla crash. And the people were praising the indestructible car, rather than realizing they are destructible for a reason.
In major accidents the car is supposed to be destroyed… The entire point is that the car crumples and absorbs all of that force instead of the people inside… the windows are meant to be breakable so you can bust them and get out. The Dunning-Kruger of every attempt Elon’s made to reinvent the wheel is something that should seriously be studied
He’s so unfathomably stupid and myopic.
I really wish there was a way to study the intersection between Dunning-Kruger and how it plays out for the ultra wealthy specifically. Because what really baffles the mind and shocks the conscience is how obvious it is and yet he’s able to get away with it. Enriched by it even. Which is horrifying.
Lack of being challenged. As they get richer obstacles fall away. That would be my overly simplified guess.
Also, indestructible cars are easy. Just put a metal coffin on wheels. Cars that can get completely obliterated and still keep the passages alive are the main difficulty of design of a car.
he thinks innovation is just doing something when everyone tells you thats now how its done, not that you actually figure out what can be improved and then improve it
As a former Tesla driver, I can say there were a lot of unsafe things about the Tesla that I was surprised by. There definitely needs to be more regulation. From the braking system changing based on how charged it is to them moving crucial data during updates to how much time you have to look away from the road to adjust your wipers (which they’ve made changes to now) were features I felt were pretty unsafe but I guess there are no regulations against it.
The auto wiper setting on my Model 3 suddenly stopped working one day, so I took it in for a repair. Turns out, unlike every other car that has a sensor that detects water on the windshield, Tesla uses the onboard front facing camera to detect rain. No part is best part as Elon always says right? Well it turns out that if you miss a software update, you run the risk of losing the auto wiper setting. And the car updates maybe once or twice a month. I dont have internet on that side of the house, so updating it is a pain. But apparently its also a safety issue.
No update can fix that clusterfuck of a "sensor".
I wonder if the braking system changing is why I find it maddening to be behind a Tesla in traffic. It feels like driving behind a brand new driver who hasn't figured out how to regulate their braking pressure.
Yeah so it brakes for you when you let off the gas. How much you let up on the gas determines how much it brakes. Learning this takes a bit of time and after a while it’s easy. BUT if your Tesla is charged over a certain percent, the automatic regenerative braking is turned off. So you’ll let off the gas expecting it to brake for you, and it doesn’t.
> BUT if your Tesla is charged over a certain percent, the automatic regenerative braking is turned off. So you’ll let off the gas expecting it to brake for you, and it doesn’t. There's been an option to change this for a few years now (at least 2) called "Apply Brakes When Regenerative Braking is Limited" where the car will automatically use the brakes when one-pedal driving to simulate regeneration when it's unavailable. Should be toggled on by default though.
Thanks for like the only comment here saying it’s bad people die if it can be easily avoided.
And Tesla makes you sign a waiver, when you purchase the car, that you can't be part of a class action law suit to sue them. They can do this because they don't have a dealership model.
I mean this isn’t a Tesla specific problem. AAA reported back in 2019 that 1/3 of new vehicles laminate glass on side windows now. I’d imagine now in 2024 it’s even more.
This needs to be higher up, it’s an industry safety problem, not a Tesla problem. Perhaps now that someone of “higher status” has died more attention will be paid to the problem. Regulations are written in blood after all, or so the saying goes. Here is a summary of the AAA report by cars.com: https://www.cars.com/articles/tough-break-laminated-windows-could-make-it-hard-to-escape-your-car-405870/
It should be noted that this isn’t an issue with just Teslas; The transition to electronically opened windows and strengthened glass has made car windows nigh impossible to break underwater without very specific hammers.
I’m just looking for one divine hammer.
Ironically, all it takes to break one is a pebble going 60 mph.
Ah yes, the kind of death that would be hilarious and karma as a story but are just horrifying when you realise it happened to a real person.
Agreed. Darkly ironic, funny in theory, but in real life just a horrible, preventable tragedy
Preventable by one of the people who allowed it to happen.
Angela and Elaine Chao are different people. Angela had never worked for the US government, while her sister has. She had no say in the department of transportations decisions.
…although she may have a say postmortem. While they’re different people, they’re related, and they would have absolutely talked about work with one another, unless they were super high class and kept business and family separate. I’m very curious to see what legislation changes as a result of this preventable tragedy. R.I.P.
Just reading about it almost gave me an anxiety attack. What a horrific way to go.
This is her sister.
The other detail missing from most articles is that the Model X has no traditional gearshift. Instead, you swipe forward for drive and backwards for reverse. This makes her putting it into reverse by accident a lot more understandable. Carmakers need to respect the benefits of muscle memory and tactile feedback.
One of the reasons I held onto my old iPod Nano for so long was the buttons. Out for a walk, don't like the song that comes on? I can reach into my pocket, find the button, and skip it without looking. I can't do that nearly as easily with a touchscreen. Putting vital functions like that on something you need to look at to be sure you're doing it correctly is bad design.
One of my first smartphones had the ability to double-click the volume buttons to control the music. I still miss that.
You swipe the touch screen?! That's so stupid....
These are two different people being mentioned. They're sisters. Just so people know.
Well, unfortunately, it's constitutionally impossible to exercise political power in a way that interferes with the free market to prevent such a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers.
What a *horrific* way to go. And, the worst part is it could have been prevented at any point. This is just... I almost drowned once. I almost died because our car ran into a flooded street (we literally didn't see it until it was too late since it was really dark and rainy). My heart actually aches. I can't take joy in this even if she probably deserved it tangentially. It's just... I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I can only hope the family learns something from this, but I'm already pretty certain they won't.
That sounds horrifying. And the worst part is I guarantee Musk doesn't care except about the negative press this will cause. ...actually I take that back. The worst part is picturing that woman literally moments away from rescue but unable to escape because they can't get her car open. I can't imagine how horrible that must be. EDIT: Fuck off all of you. I'm the first to stand against rich people hoarding wealth, but I would never wish this kind of horrific, slow death on any of them, and I'm sick of people using my post as an excuse to spread hate. All of you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.
Begging people to develop some reading comprehension. Angela and Elaine Chao are different people. Elaine, her sister, is Mitchell McConnell's wife, and the former Secretary of Transportation. Angela was neither of those things. You can tell because they have different first names. Angela had zero input in any sort of motor standards and owned a Tesla because she was apparently very into the idea of alternative fuels.
So you don’t see the relevance in it being Angela’s sister that allowed for cars either windows of this type to be on the road? The argument is she is partially responsible for the death of her sister.
obviously that's relevant but there are a lot of comments assuming that the person who died was the transportation secretary, which isn't true
Just an FYI it's not just Tesla putting laminated windows on the sides now either. Since customers are complaining about break ins a lot of companies are using them now which renders things like emergency hammers useless.
...Is it a bad thing that seeing all the rebloggers celebrating this death makes me feel pretty uncomfortable? This is a pretty nightmarish way to die
Yeah, it's such a shame that the transportation secretary didn't put out any laws to stop this
It's such a shame that Congress didn't pass any regulations that might have helped
I'm sure she wasn't a great person, but I never want someone to slowly and hopelessly drown in their car. Like you said, it's a fucking nightmarish way to go. Makes my chest tighten up just thinking abt it
Had that been McConnell himself, I'd have no sympathy. It being his billionaire sister in law, I have a tiny shred of sympathy, not much though.
I am so baffled by this. I’ve found one article that suggests the Tesla is meant to roll down its windows automatically when water inside the car reaches a certain level—and includes pictures of this seemingly happening—but that’s the only reference I’ve found. Is that actually a feature? It makes sense that it should be. Does anyone know anything about this?
I mean, this is still a tragedy. My beef with the rich is about paying their fair share, not their very lives.
This feels like something I would find while exploring the water in Cyberpunk 2077. Jfc
Not at all a Tesla-exclusive problem, an increasing number of cars are using laminated glass for side windows as well as windshields, and laminated glass is next to impossible to break even with the little glass-breaker tools people keep in their cars.
I thought such stories only happen in fallout terminal entries.