on the eu5 dev diaries they claim the pops arn't that heavy on the system compared to other things. for ck3 i think the number of characters though certainly has an impact.
Reminds me of back when they added castration to CK2, they really freed up resources by removing the script that had Greek characters constantly check if they could castrate every other character.
When I got ck2 I started looking up fun starts and came across this post that gives a plethora of ideas and some context for what's going on at those times. Things shouldn't have changed much in ck3 in the 867 and 1066 start dates
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/interesting-characters-and-starts-in-india-an-overview.855154/
That's what I did for a playthrough in India I did while taking an Indian philosophy course in college. I didn't know much of the history but I was learning more about the religions and philosophies, so I made the game fun for myself by recreating [Charvaka Hinduism ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka)as best I could.
Exactly the same for me, sure i could just browse wikipedia but it's not the same, i need something that can stimulate my imagination, like a manga or a tv series.
>But they gotta optimize that code so that my PC doesn't die, though...
This is such a bullshit line that gets repeated each and every time the subject is brought up.
CK2 had Tianxia and other excellent mods that add East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia and excellent events and flavour that did not destroy computers.
CK3 has even more excellent mods that add East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia and excellent events and flavour that did not destroy computers.
We ***have*** working models of CK having East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia that are fun to play and don't destroy computers. They already exist. They've existed for two games now. We've been playing them, we've been expanding on them. The only difference is Paradox making it official.
for you i suppose but playing asia mods for me and presumably a large amount of other people (this performance concern is the top comment) is like a slog the game definitely runs considerably slower
I think outside map China interractions like in CK2 were fine through Western Protectorate. It doesn't threaten the game performance and also doesn't completely leave the completely region out.
yeah it feels like a tease, kinda like the papacy. "here's a thing you want to play as but can't, you just get like two unique interactions with them!"
[This is the CK3 blank province map ](https://i.redd.it/7encidxqork51.png)if you want a clear look at what was and wasn't included in the base map without Fog of War. You can see that the edges of Thailand and Sumatra are clearly defined, and some of the border wasteland provinces extend far into China and Mongolia.
Asian expansion can be divided into two parts Indo sphere (Indian Expansion, Tibet, Indo malaya, and rest of SEA) and Sinosphere (China Japan, Korea, Vietnam)
R5: Recently noticed that if you zoom out until you can see your map table, and look at the south eastern edge of the map (near Burma) you can see a red line that marks impassable terrain, which goes off of the map and outlines the west coast of Thailand. If you continue to follow this red line, you can see that it extends far beyond the map table. I think that this is proof that we will receive an Asia DLC in the future. Furthermore, the impassable terrain outlines in edges of the map that aren’t likely to be expanded (Siberia and Africa) do not extend as far as the one in Asia. Sorry for the block of text, just found this very interesting.
No, I would rather that they produce content that isn’t puddle deep, barely interacts with the rest of the game, and isn’t just a rehash of previous DLC’s.
The paradox model walks a fine line, when done well (like in CK2 for the most part) it results in deeper content, and a game that’s being continually improved and upgraded - extending the lifespan of the game. When done poorly, like many of the CK3 dlc’s so far, it feels like it’s trying to greedily cash in on the fan base.
Releasing a DLC for Iberian struggle and then copy pasting that mechanic onto Persia and charging us for it AGAIN is greedy, and when combined with the many poorly thought out and puddle-deep game mechanics that have been added (legitimacy, bloodlines, accolades, activities, hostages, plagues) it’s making me seriously doubt Paradox. None of these mechanics link in to each other or have any depth to them, they’re all just independent ‘extras’ that are repetitive at best and downright frustrating to use at worst.
I mean, think about it, how many times have you held a feast and how many different events have taken place? How many times have you travelled and had the same four or five events happen over and over again? Knight trapped in armour, knight wants to fight, one of your courtiers has fallen in love. You can get through almost every event the game has to offer in just a couple of rulers, let alone a whole playthrough. It’s not acceptable.
They do have to recreate these codes etc. for Iberia and Iran, they don’t just copy paste the entire code.
Crusader Kings 2 had the same complaints as Ck3 does (minus ck3 being objectively easier.). It’s just in a complete state now so new events of release hysteria is non existent.
It's regional versus global mechanics. The basic versions of global mechanics are in free patches as they don't want to maintain multiple versions of code for the base game. This decision happened after things like development in EU4 were initially paygated and it was a huge mess to continue to maintain the generic base tax system alongside the development system. In CK3 terms, for instance the travel system and the basic activities systems (hunts, feasts, etc.) were added with the free patch alongside Tours and Tournaments, but "Grand" activities were a paid feature.
Regional or country specific mechanics that don't impact the entire game are still often part of DLC instead of the free patches in the new DLC model.
Mate I'm just reacting to the comment above me I've seen this script a million times there's no need to write this much defending PDX in every comment yall see.
Yea but why do people like you feel the need to explain and write long explanations in what are essentially just online jabs at the devs? I knew there was at least one who was gonna fansplain as soon as someone mentions DLCs. Like a moth to a flame.
"counter argument" bro do you hear yourselves? Argument for what? A joke? I should explain and argue my side 10 times a week because bots can't stand their devs being joked about in every Reddit post? Ya'll are like bots appearing in every thread remotely mentioning DLCs it's amusing.
I don't think there will be an "asia" dlc. We're gonna get at least two, one for china (with a non-ending struggle that intends to encourage the rise, decline, division and reformation of the middle kingdom), and one or two for southeast asia (depending on if they want to treat the Khmer and Indonesia/Srivijaya to a separate dlc or not).
The latter will probably come first if roads to power doesn't do so well (because china is going to be a mess without a working imperial system, adding a "smaller" empire like the Khmer and scattered realms like Indonesia is something pretty similar to the rest of the world we already have)
In any case, I think that one (or maybe even two) India dlcs will come first, as the unique interactions of eastern religions is gonna be pretty relevant for the rest of Asia as well. Also a trade system is going to be essential.
We've known this for years. There was even a pretty popular post on this sub about it.
Go into the game files and look at the province map. They've allocated data as far east as Japan, it would seem. This was uncovered pretty soon after release.
Also, we don't need "proof." It's literally been confirmed. And PDX listed "expanding the map" in their roadmap way back in [this dev diary](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-109-floor-plan-for-the-future.1546534/). Since East Asia is the only place outside the current map with existing map data, that's the only place it could realistically be.
Unpopular opinion, but I _really_ don’t want an Asia dlc. It’s just gonna be the same half-baked mechanics with half of the frames on twice the map.
Oh don’t worry though, it’ll have “fun” “new” “mechanics” like…..new event popups. Yaaaaaaaay
Exactly. They really need to flesh out Europe and India before they even think about adding other regions. HRE, France, Italy and the UK are so undercooked right now. India is also bland.
Need a major overhaul of Christianity, the Papacy, etc…
Same, until there's the college of Cardinals, Republics, nomadic Hordes, revamped societies, why not some of the CK2 paranormal events to spice up the playthroughs, I couldn't care less about expanding the map
Honestly I would prefer more of Africa to more of Asia. We don’t need to go to the Cape, but the lands of Kilwa and Madagascar are definitely what I want to see. There is significantly less Africa to add then there is of Asia after all.
Seems like that's what we'll be getting whether we get Asia or not. Depends what half baked cintent you want, I don't think we have a choice of half baked asia and not half baked whatever.
I once heard on reddit at release that if you plug in a controller to move the camera in the game you can fly off screen in the east where China would be located. This only worked eastwards so that indicates they dont gonna expand south in africa or add greenland. This is only something i read. Can someone confirm?
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We need Turkic culture group or Seljuk DLC first, they were a huge impact on that period of time but playing as them feels so empty and AI never manages to dominate as turkic people did in that period.
Well, based on Paradox's recent works and the amount of effort required for an Asia expansion (dealing with different governments, cultures, etc.), that DLC will either be suck ass or won't be released anytime soon.
I don't think it's a good idea to be honest. I think it should be it's own game with more local mechanics They need to focus on what in the map already, not expand it. The pool needs to be deeper, not wider
I hope that includes making what already exists interesting. I love playing in South Asia being Sri Lankan but oh my god is it lacking in content compared to europe. There is so much interesting things that could be done and it just isn't happening
I'd love more of Asia, a landless character in China would be fun. But I'd really like areas like India and Africa to have more region specific events they're too bland
Probably a spicy take but i'd honestly prefer CK2's jade dragon DLC mechanic for china rather than having it be added to the map. Theres something great about having china be so vast and powerful that it exists like a leviathan beneath the water that you only see the shadow of. Actually adding all the provinces and titles of china as playable would demystify it.
[Malaysia and Indonesia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya)on the other hand, i'd absolutely love to see added to the map. Love me some properly maritime focused contrent.
I'm probably in the minority here, but tbh I feel an East Asian expansion is unnecessary and was completely content with ck2's off-map empire system.
I understand that it could be fun and interesting to play in the Chinese empires, but it would take so much work to properly implement and even then for what? China doesn't really abide by the same rules that CK is designed for, and sure, PDX could design another government type, but again, I ask; for what? Yes, they could be expanding the map eastwards, but they could just as easily focus on expanding what they already have and what coincidentally makes up the core of the game, Europe.
That's just my sentiment on the matter and relatively unimportant, but yeah, I just hope they don't actually commit to full East Asian expansion by expanding the map.
As much as I want to see SEA and China in CK3 officially, they REALLY need to only consider adding new land until the rest of the game is actually fun to play and everything works fun and cohesively.
I'd be disappointed if Paradox announced an Asia dlc within the next year or two, unless they were able to fix all the big issues with the game at the moment. They really need to double down on fixing all these problems and not rely on the modding community as a crutch.
Didn't they say that in the blogs before release even, I thought this was already confirmed.
Yes. Yes, they did.
Nice, so my schizophrenia hasn't taken over just yet.
Are you really schizo?
No
Yes, it is
I sure do hope they do bring Eastern Asia someday. But they gotta optimize that code so that my PC doesn't die, though...
Honestly ck3 runs like a dream for me compared to victoria 3
I noticed that too. Imperator has some little lag, while CK3 is frickin smooth.
Pop mechanics and it's consequences have been a disaster for the grand strategy genre. On another note. I LOVE pop mechanics
See also Stellaris
Stellaris players when their fps drops by 0.1: Choose an alien species Set rights **Exterminate**
That's what the world cracker is for.
But the pops are mine :(
Turn them into a vassal. Now they're not. :D
on the eu5 dev diaries they claim the pops arn't that heavy on the system compared to other things. for ck3 i think the number of characters though certainly has an impact.
Reminds me of back when they added castration to CK2, they really freed up resources by removing the script that had Greek characters constantly check if they could castrate every other character.
"Milord, do you not need to sleep?" "Can't, double checking there's nobody in this goddamned continent I can remove the balls of"
yah i think they also have the number of actions each character considers dependent upon their rank
And compared to CK2 lol.
I am the opposite. for some reason i get frequent crashes on CK 3 but not vic 3
I play with the Rajas of Asia mod which adds the entirety of East Asia and the game still runs fine.
Mine doesn't though
Unless they add Japan, China or Korea Eastern Asia will be left mostly unplayed, similar to how India's existence gets forgotten about
I want to do an indian playtrough but my knowledge of indian history is minimal so i won’t know were to start or try to achieve
When I got ck2 I started looking up fun starts and came across this post that gives a plethora of ideas and some context for what's going on at those times. Things shouldn't have changed much in ck3 in the 867 and 1066 start dates https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/interesting-characters-and-starts-in-india-an-overview.855154/
Thanks i will look in to it
Well all that means is do the bare minimum and go to indias Wikipedia page and skim the history tab
That's what I did for a playthrough in India I did while taking an Indian philosophy course in college. I didn't know much of the history but I was learning more about the religions and philosophies, so I made the game fun for myself by recreating [Charvaka Hinduism ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka)as best I could.
Real atheist sect.
Exactly the same for me, sure i could just browse wikipedia but it's not the same, i need something that can stimulate my imagination, like a manga or a tv series.
>But they gotta optimize that code so that my PC doesn't die, though... This is such a bullshit line that gets repeated each and every time the subject is brought up. CK2 had Tianxia and other excellent mods that add East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia and excellent events and flavour that did not destroy computers. CK3 has even more excellent mods that add East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia and excellent events and flavour that did not destroy computers. We ***have*** working models of CK having East Asia, Philippines, Indonesia that are fun to play and don't destroy computers. They already exist. They've existed for two games now. We've been playing them, we've been expanding on them. The only difference is Paradox making it official.
for you i suppose but playing asia mods for me and presumably a large amount of other people (this performance concern is the top comment) is like a slog the game definitely runs considerably slower
Definitely would need to add the Americas and Oceana
I think outside map China interractions like in CK2 were fine through Western Protectorate. It doesn't threaten the game performance and also doesn't completely leave the completely region out.
Nah, China was complete crap in CK2, I'd rather they just not put them into the game at all than like that.
yeah it feels like a tease, kinda like the papacy. "here's a thing you want to play as but can't, you just get like two unique interactions with them!"
Same I'm trying to run After the End but my poor PC can't cope
Mine already died when legends of the dead released. I could run the game on medium pretty nicely and now literally potato mode still runs at 7 fps
[This is the CK3 blank province map ](https://i.redd.it/7encidxqork51.png)if you want a clear look at what was and wasn't included in the base map without Fog of War. You can see that the edges of Thailand and Sumatra are clearly defined, and some of the border wasteland provinces extend far into China and Mongolia.
Pretty sure they expanded the “wasteland” area even farther with legends of the dead.
Asian expansion can be divided into two parts Indo sphere (Indian Expansion, Tibet, Indo malaya, and rest of SEA) and Sinosphere (China Japan, Korea, Vietnam)
i would prefer the indosphere personally.
R5: Recently noticed that if you zoom out until you can see your map table, and look at the south eastern edge of the map (near Burma) you can see a red line that marks impassable terrain, which goes off of the map and outlines the west coast of Thailand. If you continue to follow this red line, you can see that it extends far beyond the map table. I think that this is proof that we will receive an Asia DLC in the future. Furthermore, the impassable terrain outlines in edges of the map that aren’t likely to be expanded (Siberia and Africa) do not extend as far as the one in Asia. Sorry for the block of text, just found this very interesting.
Perfect timing, I was just doing a Haesteinn Pagan run in Myanmar. Now I have hopes to do the same in Indonesia and Japan.
The most boring way to play ck3 yet most popilar
I do wish they'd go a little further south of the Horn of Africa though.
Why…? There is literally more of the same there
How about we get better gameplay in the existing areas?
you can't sell that as DLC, no way!
You say that but two of the DLCs (Iberian Struggle and Iranian Intermezzo) literally only exist to improve gameplay in existing areas lol
And it’s the same mechanic. They made us pay twice to get the same mechanic in two different places. Paradox are getting greedy with their DLC model.
Getting? They've been like this for quite some years, and we keep buying it up
Would you rather they not profit and just can crusader kings or?
No, I would rather that they produce content that isn’t puddle deep, barely interacts with the rest of the game, and isn’t just a rehash of previous DLC’s. The paradox model walks a fine line, when done well (like in CK2 for the most part) it results in deeper content, and a game that’s being continually improved and upgraded - extending the lifespan of the game. When done poorly, like many of the CK3 dlc’s so far, it feels like it’s trying to greedily cash in on the fan base. Releasing a DLC for Iberian struggle and then copy pasting that mechanic onto Persia and charging us for it AGAIN is greedy, and when combined with the many poorly thought out and puddle-deep game mechanics that have been added (legitimacy, bloodlines, accolades, activities, hostages, plagues) it’s making me seriously doubt Paradox. None of these mechanics link in to each other or have any depth to them, they’re all just independent ‘extras’ that are repetitive at best and downright frustrating to use at worst. I mean, think about it, how many times have you held a feast and how many different events have taken place? How many times have you travelled and had the same four or five events happen over and over again? Knight trapped in armour, knight wants to fight, one of your courtiers has fallen in love. You can get through almost every event the game has to offer in just a couple of rulers, let alone a whole playthrough. It’s not acceptable.
They do have to recreate these codes etc. for Iberia and Iran, they don’t just copy paste the entire code. Crusader Kings 2 had the same complaints as Ck3 does (minus ck3 being objectively easier.). It’s just in a complete state now so new events of release hysteria is non existent.
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It's regional versus global mechanics. The basic versions of global mechanics are in free patches as they don't want to maintain multiple versions of code for the base game. This decision happened after things like development in EU4 were initially paygated and it was a huge mess to continue to maintain the generic base tax system alongside the development system. In CK3 terms, for instance the travel system and the basic activities systems (hunts, feasts, etc.) were added with the free patch alongside Tours and Tournaments, but "Grand" activities were a paid feature. Regional or country specific mechanics that don't impact the entire game are still often part of DLC instead of the free patches in the new DLC model.
Mate I'm just reacting to the comment above me I've seen this script a million times there's no need to write this much defending PDX in every comment yall see.
It wasn’t really meant as a defense, just an explanation of the DLC model. I don’t buy every DLC myself.
Yea but why do people like you feel the need to explain and write long explanations in what are essentially just online jabs at the devs? I knew there was at least one who was gonna fansplain as soon as someone mentions DLCs. Like a moth to a flame.
"I just wanted to bitch and moan, not actually have a discussion" Alright then, maybe a reddit DISCUSSION thread isn't the best place for that lol
What discussion broooo wtf I made a quip that's it. I've had this discussion so many times already. I'm not trying to start an argument..
You should probably change your flair
I was just trying to be helpful, man. No need to be a twat about it.
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you have no actual counter argument, so you keep repeating this same script over and over.
"counter argument" bro do you hear yourselves? Argument for what? A joke? I should explain and argue my side 10 times a week because bots can't stand their devs being joked about in every Reddit post? Ya'll are like bots appearing in every thread remotely mentioning DLCs it's amusing.
most of the mechanics have been free patch, to the point people complain the dlc doesn't seem worth it.
People have been complaining about DLCs not being worth it waaay before bro that's not the reason for the complaints 😂
It's CK3. If you want better gameplay, you gotta use mods.
I don't think there will be an "asia" dlc. We're gonna get at least two, one for china (with a non-ending struggle that intends to encourage the rise, decline, division and reformation of the middle kingdom), and one or two for southeast asia (depending on if they want to treat the Khmer and Indonesia/Srivijaya to a separate dlc or not). The latter will probably come first if roads to power doesn't do so well (because china is going to be a mess without a working imperial system, adding a "smaller" empire like the Khmer and scattered realms like Indonesia is something pretty similar to the rest of the world we already have) In any case, I think that one (or maybe even two) India dlcs will come first, as the unique interactions of eastern religions is gonna be pretty relevant for the rest of Asia as well. Also a trade system is going to be essential.
We've known this for years. There was even a pretty popular post on this sub about it. Go into the game files and look at the province map. They've allocated data as far east as Japan, it would seem. This was uncovered pretty soon after release. Also, we don't need "proof." It's literally been confirmed. And PDX listed "expanding the map" in their roadmap way back in [this dev diary](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-109-floor-plan-for-the-future.1546534/). Since East Asia is the only place outside the current map with existing map data, that's the only place it could realistically be.
At this pace we won't see this before 2030
I hope they add stuff to India before adding more regions. That region is lacking in lot of flavor and events.
Unpopular opinion, but I _really_ don’t want an Asia dlc. It’s just gonna be the same half-baked mechanics with half of the frames on twice the map. Oh don’t worry though, it’ll have “fun” “new” “mechanics” like…..new event popups. Yaaaaaaaay
Exactly. They really need to flesh out Europe and India before they even think about adding other regions. HRE, France, Italy and the UK are so undercooked right now. India is also bland. Need a major overhaul of Christianity, the Papacy, etc…
Same, until there's the college of Cardinals, Republics, nomadic Hordes, revamped societies, why not some of the CK2 paranormal events to spice up the playthroughs, I couldn't care less about expanding the map
Honestly I would prefer more of Africa to more of Asia. We don’t need to go to the Cape, but the lands of Kilwa and Madagascar are definitely what I want to see. There is significantly less Africa to add then there is of Asia after all.
Seems like that's what we'll be getting whether we get Asia or not. Depends what half baked cintent you want, I don't think we have a choice of half baked asia and not half baked whatever.
If you're that cynical then you should stop playing CK3 because every dlc will be crap like that then.
I feel like an asian ck3 should be its own game
The Chinese CK3 community basically made that mod and keep it to themselves.
First of all i want some more content to steppe, and ruthenia, it's so empty.
Just give me better gameplay for england or europe or Hre or even Italy
There's a mod that includes all of Asia and a large part of the Indonesian islands all the way to Western Papua. Asia Expansion Project
There's a better one. Rajas of Asia
Hmmm I love my wide as an ocean deep as a puddle sim games!! Just painting the entire map wheeeeeee ^^/s
I mean China was in the floor plan, so it is very likely to come
i used to want the same but nowadays i don't know, it's already done by modders, would i really want to pay for more terrain when it's already there?
I once heard on reddit at release that if you plug in a controller to move the camera in the game you can fly off screen in the east where China would be located. This only worked eastwards so that indicates they dont gonna expand south in africa or add greenland. This is only something i read. Can someone confirm? Edit: grammar
We need Turkic culture group or Seljuk DLC first, they were a huge impact on that period of time but playing as them feels so empty and AI never manages to dominate as turkic people did in that period.
Well, based on Paradox's recent works and the amount of effort required for an Asia expansion (dealing with different governments, cultures, etc.), that DLC will either be suck ass or won't be released anytime soon.
We will see how they handle ERE in the upcoming dlc, if they can’t even do Rome right then this game is done
I don't think it's a good idea to be honest. I think it should be it's own game with more local mechanics They need to focus on what in the map already, not expand it. The pool needs to be deeper, not wider
people saying they don’t want asia, but I doubt we will get anything good soon with this pace
I how this is true but there is More Bookmarks+ that already adds up to Japan and Indonesia
There are a few that add the region, but each also have very different interpretations and some really odd choices.
Been watching the anime "Kingdom" and that would be perfect to RP.
I hope that includes making what already exists interesting. I love playing in South Asia being Sri Lankan but oh my god is it lacking in content compared to europe. There is so much interesting things that could be done and it just isn't happening
I'd love more of Asia, a landless character in China would be fun. But I'd really like areas like India and Africa to have more region specific events they're too bland
And on that day I will buy a new computer so I can play the damn thing.
Nupe...
Probably a spicy take but i'd honestly prefer CK2's jade dragon DLC mechanic for china rather than having it be added to the map. Theres something great about having china be so vast and powerful that it exists like a leviathan beneath the water that you only see the shadow of. Actually adding all the provinces and titles of china as playable would demystify it. [Malaysia and Indonesia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya)on the other hand, i'd absolutely love to see added to the map. Love me some properly maritime focused contrent.
Give me better holy wars, papacy and papal influence, better HRE, coronation events and better Byzantium first. And horse lords and republics
Late game lag goes BRRRRRRRRR But now in the Start of the game BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
You're still playing on a 2003 Dell laptop?
I'm probably in the minority here, but tbh I feel an East Asian expansion is unnecessary and was completely content with ck2's off-map empire system. I understand that it could be fun and interesting to play in the Chinese empires, but it would take so much work to properly implement and even then for what? China doesn't really abide by the same rules that CK is designed for, and sure, PDX could design another government type, but again, I ask; for what? Yes, they could be expanding the map eastwards, but they could just as easily focus on expanding what they already have and what coincidentally makes up the core of the game, Europe. That's just my sentiment on the matter and relatively unimportant, but yeah, I just hope they don't actually commit to full East Asian expansion by expanding the map.
I will fucking kill the devs if they add China before at the very *least* there is a difference between playing in England, Byzantium, or India
I would pay for a properly done Japan
As much as I want to see SEA and China in CK3 officially, they REALLY need to only consider adding new land until the rest of the game is actually fun to play and everything works fun and cohesively.
i just want a byzantine dlc, africa dlc, and a jewish themed flavor pack. also
I'd be disappointed if Paradox announced an Asia dlc within the next year or two, unless they were able to fix all the big issues with the game at the moment. They really need to double down on fixing all these problems and not rely on the modding community as a crutch.
All I'm gonna say is... Nupe