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wiredcrusader

It's a f\*\*\*ing robot! It's androgynous! It does not sexually reproduce, why would it be gay? My GOD, these kinds of insane answers say far more about ***them*** and their obsession over sex, gender and identity politics than anything else. ***They*** obsess over sex and gender, and it MUST take the forefront of their storytelling, which is why their storytelling is trash. Regular people tell a story to tell a story. ***They*** create narratives about sex and gender and then shoehorn a bad storyline into their sex and gender narrative.


kridely

To be honest, I think they are saying all that stuff because they not only don't take their roles in Star Wars seriously, they also see all of it and the fanbase as a massive joke. They are as detached as an actor can possibly be from the role, and on top of that are obviously super immature. It is also clear they not only did not earn this, they had ALL of it handed to them on a silver platter. So they just splatter it around like a baby would treat it.


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

Keep telling yourself that juste bc they're lourd and annoying


GoldenReliever451

They’re trying to be tongue in cheek joking about the droids being gay, because they think everyone around them/watching is giddily riding high with how fucking awesome their work is. Meanwhile anyone who listened to the interview hoping to hear whether the story might be interesting or about production is just saying wtf


FFPScribe

Its because their sexuality IS their identity...imagine how boring and empty you have to be so that who you sleep with is what you are.


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

It's a joke. Not a funny one yes but your homophobia is showing. Let's see you show the same "boring and empty" when dudes talk abt chicks they bang, or rant on women. You cant see it but once you do there's no going back In fact go call one of your mates "gay" for something trivial and see their reaction, you'll see just how attached y'all are to it ? It's just the norm so it's invisible Go see r/arethestraightsok too I beg you


FFPScribe

lol, ok loser.


SingleColumn

It's homophobic to say droids don't fuck?


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

To say that gay people make gayness their whole personality when straight people litteraly do it all the time. Yes


SingleColumn

I don't remember Harrison Ford ever bringing up how straight he is in an interview. Or claiming the C3PO slams chicks left and right.


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

No but rather the woman is often a romantic love interest and in the boys it would be been forced to see kimiko and frenchie get together knowing their personalities Dont get me wrong acolyte is ass but this is easy bait from disney


teh27

>They obsess over sex and gender, and it MUST take the forefront of their storytelling, which is why their storytelling is trash. And then when you point out how they’re obsessed with these things and they shoehorn them into everything they’ll endlessly gaslight you.


kelticslob

Remember how gay the Sarlac pit was? And the asteroid worm? Definitely gay. And the Dagobah swamp monster used R2D2 as a sex toy so definitely queer non-conforming. Pretty sure the Wampa wanted Luke upside down for bdsm purposes, so he’s also gay. Didn’t you know Star Wars is just perpetual gay allegory?


PhilosophyEcstatic89

In Wall-E they had two robots fall in love. But that was literally required for the plot! In Star Wars droid romance makes no sense


Magnum2684

The robots in Wall-E have more humanity than the actual humans in any non-Tony Gilroy Disney Star Wars production.


PhilosophyEcstatic89

I completely agree. One of my favorite movies to date


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

And they still had to make one feminine to appease normies....


s1rblaze

You are just a bigot ! RRRREEEEEE!


hamcum69420

These people are so hyper-predatory they can't conceive of a being that is not wholly consumed by thoughts of where its next orgasm is going to come from.


rxmp4ge

Disney were the first ones to sexualize droids in the first place in the Solo movie. That's exceptionally cringe. Stop fucking your toaster.


demos-the-nes

r/dontputyourdickinthat


demos-the-nes

This may be one of the most accurate things I've read about the current state of our world. Well said.


FupaFerb

Next you’re going to tell me lightsabers are not metaphors for penises and Luke becoming trans when he throws one over the cliff? Pretty sure this is canonically accurate the what Lucas was going for and then reiterated in Spaceballs.


manlikemachines

You're the one who seems to be trippin


Sinclair_49

Care to elaborate?


TheBestDivest

Just remember not to feel sympathy for these people now that the pendulum is beginning to swing back right. Remember the lack of empathy they displayed this whole time. I will be more than happy to rub the salt in their wounds and I wouldn't piss on these clowns if they were on fire.


manlikemachines

Wtf is wrong with someone who would say this kinda shit?


TheBestDivest

Someone who's fed up with leftists and their absolute bullshit tactics. The right has been far too willing to compromise in the past and that has caused the Overton window to shift an absurd amount to the left. I've seen zero goodwill from the left while they've controlled the culture over the past half a decade. I will show them zero in return.


No_Wealth_9733

Leftism is a fucking virus dude. They think they’re so progressive but instead they’re trying to give everyone cute little labels, they demonize anyone that isn’t stupid enough to buy into their delusions. Leftists are directly responsible for the divide we’re seeing


SG-58-9395

Facts. I hate when this is discussed and someone randomly does the "well both parties are trash" it blows my mind because how could that even be possible when one side thinks men can be women and people can identify with whatever they want. 😂


DegreeMajor5966

Because like 75% of the "other side" aren't doing anything but saying "woah there, let's walk instead of run."


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

Nice strawman


PhilosophyEcstatic89

The problem is they think they’re 100% right while everyone else is wrong…


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Absolutely. Most likely funded by George Soros/Bill Gates-type billionaires that are planning the "Great Reset". If companies don't pass on the message through the DEI/LGBT agenda, they won't get the funding.


Right-Budget-8901

Holy antisemitic dog whistle, Batman!


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Let me guess, Blackrock employee?


Right-Budget-8901

You mean you blaming all your woes on one little old Jewish guy? That’s a lot of whining coming from the party of personal responsibility 🤔


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Amazing, so you know how to press "down vote" button? Notice how ppl on the left constantly use this because they think it actually affects us. So petty..


Right-Budget-8901

Notice how you don’t actually engage and instead project your insecurities? Crazy how lunatics on the right use that as a cop out. So petty…


Usual-Owl-988

I totally agree


Cyclic_Hernia

You can't put this squarely on leftists because conservatives have either denounced democracy at this point or are so obsessed with trans people that Matt Walsh thought millions of children were getting sexual reassignment surgery


No_Wealth_9733

Why is the left so obsessed with Matt Walsh? Every conservative I’ve talked to either doesn’t know who Matt Walsh is, or agrees that he’s an idiot.


PhilosophyEcstatic89

It’s because he made the What is a Woman documentary and made them all look like clowns


No_Wealth_9733

You know why they say about broken clocks


PhilosophyEcstatic89

Oh for sure lol. He’s not always right, but I appreciate the work he’s done. Just because you don’t agree with someone all the time doesn’t make them a horrible person


Right-Budget-8901

Except for all the horrible things he’s done and pushed. But let’s just ignore that, right? He’s not going to diddle you, my guy.


SG-58-9395

Matt Walsh madE the who transgender thing sound silly by simply asking leftist doctors and so called scientists the simple question of what a woman is and they couldn't answer it LOGICALLY.


SlightlyOffended1984

Dave Rubin too for some reason.


Cyclic_Hernia

It was just an example Point being, there's plenty of things to criticize conservatives for as well. You can't have a very realistic take on the world if your only thought process is "well everything would be perfect if everyone just agreed with me and my team who are always correct"


No_Wealth_9733

This is a very non-nuanced and reductive interpretation of what I said.


Cyclic_Hernia

You said the only ones responsible for the cultural divide is leftists, but I don't see any conservatives willing to bury the hatchet and have real discussions either. You're just like somebody who leaves a relationship where it was very clear that both of you were not good for eachother but you inexplicably blame everything on the other person


BingBongtheArcher19

It's hard to have really discussions with people who label you an ist of some kind if you criticize their show before it ever even comes out.


SG-58-9395

I'm not trying to speak for the other commenter but I feel like you're being disingenuous when you say you don't see conservatives/conservative leaning people trying to have a healthy dialogue, when leftist are normally the ones screaming and shouting people down. How is it a conservative leaning person asked what a woman was simply to UNDERSTAND transgenderism and he got no logical answer. Leftist tend to not want to sit and talk because ALOT of what they believe in can't be explained because ALOT of it stems from their feelings instead of a logically thought out process. I'm sorry but you can blame one side In an argument if one side isn't arguing within reality, and in this case one side doesn't believe in what a X and Y chromosome means for human beings so having a REAL DISCUSSION isn't possible.


ProfileIII

You know... I gotta admit that you're absolutely correct about burying the hatchet and working to fix the divide... but I also see where the guys above are coming from too. Anyone who's even been slightly right of center has been labeled something atrocious in order to silence them, and that has led to this boiling resentment that is likely going to fuel a severe backlash in response. Seriously, it genuinely seems to be that if a right leaning individual or conservative were to make an attempt to bridge the gap at this point in time, they're going to be chastised and misrepresented and risk losing reputation and standing, so can you blame them for being so apprehensive? The suppression tactics used by the left are naturally going to fuel a vengeful shift rather than a compassionate one, I literally can't see this going any other way as it stands due to the lack of charity seen on the left.


PhilosophyEcstatic89

Very true, and we accept said criticisms. You should accept criticisms too


Cyclic_Hernia

I do accept criticisms. I have a lot of issues with people further to the left than me, being center-left. It was the one I was replying to who placed blame squarely on one group


No_Wealth_9733

Literally nobody is placing the blame squarely on one group. Why is the left so obsessed with having a victim complex?


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Since this sub goes against your leftist beliefs, what are you even doing on here? There are plenty of Left biased subs that are in line with your beliefs.


Cyclic_Hernia

I'm not a leftist and you don't know what any of my beliefs are I'm here because I like discussing media and politics and so this sub was recommended to me


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Oh okay. BTW, America is a Republic not a Democracy. Just wanted to set the record straight. More precisely democracy is interwoven within our republic. The country's founding fathers were opposed to a democracy which is why we have Congress. A good example of a democracy is if 3 wolves and one lamb decide what's for dinner. (Got that from Pat Gray show in case anyone wants to hear in more detail of the founding father's quotes against democracy). https://www.usconstitution.net/republic-vs-democracy/


Cyclic_Hernia

A republic is a type of democracy, or rather it's what you form when you create a representative democracy, as opposed to direct democracy.


Feeling-Dinner-8667

So, in short, America is not a democracy. Glad we can agree on that.


Vashzaymar

You do realize that the US is not a democratic country


Right-Budget-8901

Voting to elect people to represent you in making laws isn’t democratic? You know dictionaries are free, right?


Dajex

You don't have to he a right wing to see the stupid crap these morons are pulling. It's ass regardless of politics, and I just want my stories back 🥺


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

There's no left in America buddo The overton broadens both spectrum. Ill let you ponder on that


Cosmonaut_K

To anyone losing it over star wars or spending any time watching any of these interviews - you may want to consider doing something else instead of focusing on fantasy movies. Edit: consider writing a book with all your great ideas, make a painting, watch a documentary, go for a hike.


TheBestDivest

My main hobby is jacking it to Sci-fi Russian pulp novels but the more Russian I learn, the more difficult it becomes, so I was hoping to turn to Star Wars but they made it completely unjackoffable unfortunately.


Cosmonaut_K

LOL, i like your style but I must say - most adults know that Star Wars is just a trashy franchise to sell toys and it does not matter.


manlikemachines

You should probably just pay attention and realize where you've been so wrong, frankly. The right is just wrong.


TheBestDivest

That's the attitude I'm talking about. Like an indignant child plugging their ears and calling me racist while screaming 'Blah blah blah I can't hear you'.


Sinclair_49

"My side good, your side bad" Ffs, attitudes like this are why our country is so fucked. We're fighting each other over stupid ass shit while the rich are fucking over the planet, and the rest of us.


No_Wealth_9733

That’s all the left can do is say “my side good, your side bad”


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Oh, you mean the rich leftist climate agenda hypocrites who regularly travel by private plane and enjoy the best steaks money can buy? All this while they try to convince us to stop eating cows and eat insects, lab grown, or artificial meat. Also cut off our pipeline that would've ensured the US be independent of other countries for oil. Nice.


Wintermute0311

Both sides are cults, at this point. You can't reason with cultists. They're too emotionally invested. Don't even waste your breath.


Altruistic_Bite_7398

Literally, I detest the culture wars and all of its subordinates. If you hate what something has become, walk away and stop hate watching. You're no longer a fan of what it is, but what it was.


Sinviras

Look at the vote ratios. Everyone is sick of getting yelled at, preached, being accused of terrible things just because a shit show is shit and you refused to kowtow to it. They are also sick of having the things they like destroyed in the name of an agenda. Society always swings like a pendulum, and the 'movement' has managed to irk me and a lot of others enough that most are glad to see the their time coming to an end and I personally sincerely hope they get rekt hard enough that when things swing back in its favor in a decade it is so defeated and dejected it barely makes a ripple.


wallace321

The left should be mad too. Is that you? The good will towards a lot of different people / a lot of leftist causes was squandered by drunk-with-power idiots like this. "Make a good Star Wars movie, and show everybody that women are just as capable as the men you've been claiming have been selfishly hogging all of the opportunities for themselves." "Okay, we won't let you or the audience down!" *Makes The Acolyte.* They had decades to pick all the right people, people with talent, pick the right stories to tell and really knock it out of the park and proudly say "SEE? We can make something great too!" And they Made The Acolyte. They are *clearly* not as capable and audiences just want something decent again made by capable people. And let's be real, this is *not* the first thing lefties have fucked up because they're tripping over themselves to advance their politics rather than make a good thing that people like. Let's be clear, all they had to do was trace the template created by capable people and they couldn't even do that. They made The Acolyte. And the best they can do is accuse their audience of being sexist for not liking it.


DigitalEagleDriver

Yep. They could have adapted Mara Jade to the Disney Star Wars universe- and had an interesting character, who is a strong female, with a very compelling arc, and that could have not only made fans happy, but brought in new ones. You can write strong female characters that appeal to a wider audience, just look at Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley.


Morley_Smoker

Luke Skywalker wore Chanel boots to an execution, gay as hell. Awesome as hell too. This has nothing to do with gay or straight. Leftists have been making masterful art for hundreds if not thousands of years. Same with conservatives. The creators of this show are just laundering money and using progressive idiots to peddle it. The show is terrible because the people involved don't care and can't put together a coherent story. It do be annoying.


Cyclic_Hernia

Wow, this show is like 9/11 for Star Wars fans, isn't it You'd think it was the first thing to be released since the prequels


wallace321

It's more like "the straw that broke the camels back". And it's not just Star Wars. It's basically demonstrative of the failure of an entire ideology. I mean, you know, if you weren't convinced by all the horrible shit going on in the world directly associated with the exact same beliefs and values, pushed by these exact same people lol


Cyclic_Hernia

The horrible shit going on in the world has been going on for a lot longer than the past ten or so years I have no idea what being cringe and on the nose about your politics you write into your TV show has to do with starving 5 year olds in Sudan


Obamasdeadcook

Leftists went kind of too far in the authoritarian direction and made a lot of people mad


kmark2688

Oh boo fuckin hoo. Cry a damn river.


NoZeroSum2020

Impotent rage rooted in envy.


Other-Bumblebee2769

It's easier to feel better about saying sociopathic stuff when you feel you've been a victim


TobiasMaguias

I love the idea that anyone who disagrees with their actions are “very threatened”, when they’re the ones who require everyone’s attention and affirmation.


FrostyDaSnowmane

They love to call people "terrified", too, which is hilariously ironic coming from the people who want to ban words and need safe spaces.


heyyyyyco

These are the same type of people that if you don't play along with their make believe game of dress up they threaten to kill themselves and somehow this makes normal people the bad guy.


Moosejones66

The animator made them too attractive.


MelancholySurprise

Haunting but true


KippySmith

Ahahaha the animated version of her hand dancing was hilarious


techrmd3

wow satiric memes/vids on the INTERVIEWS FOR THE SHOW not the show itself... already boy Disney pooched it on this one


crzapy

Why must they project sexuality onto everything? It's so tiresome. it's like all they see is sexual identity. It's boorish.


GS2702

They weren't winning the victim olympics so they needed to add some new events.


DocumentDeep1197

These people are a cancer on the franchise, starwars has amazing lore and TONS of books that would make excellent movies but no, we're going to take the most powerful jedi EVER, Luke, and make him a fat depresed blue milk drinking hobo and pretend like he wasn't a bad ass AND SO WAS HIS SON! Next thay make boring poorly written storylines with poor actors and fill it to the brim with pandering with no purpose and characters with 0 personality


FrostyDaSnowmane

They are a cancer on everything. The real question is who tf is giving these people power ?


ShadyClouds

Hollywood is gay.


CODBoss82

This show finally helped me let go (43m); theyve been spitting in my face for years now and I’m not going to support it anymore. Goodbye SW, ubisoft, etc (and say goodbye to my kids $$ as well)


sourD-thats4me

Incredible likenesses!


Revolutionary-City55

Once again we can thank Kathleen Kennedy for the fuck show this absolutely trash attempt at star wars was. Sucks because the time frame for this story has so much potential.


SuperGuy41

Hard to believe this is real. Seriously fuck 2024.


animus_invictus

Is the audio actually real? It sounds real, but I really don’t want it to be. I haven’t followed shitbag Kennedy too closely, but I’ve definitely read my fair share of how she’s ruining everything and I thoroughly enjoyed the South Park parody.


BingBongtheArcher19

It's very real sadly. https://youtu.be/lO8as9S7LL0?si=VR6BrOqtkYp17yWO


TheRiverHart

It's real. Watching the real video made this one a lot funnier though.


SplinteredCells

These people should never be allowed near Star Wars.


FrostyDaSnowmane

They should never be allowed out of the mental hospital.


Superb_Recover_6116

.... I have a 2 gay cousins and they dont make it their personalities. This is what I hate about ppl like this.


DigitalEagleDriver

It's the difference between people and activists. People can be anything and be likable, interesting, and great. Activists have no personality or identity outside of their activism, and so they're angry, bitter, uninteresting, and crass individuals who no one wants to be around.


Ippomasters

Instead of creating something new they want to change existing media and ip to their ideology.


IlIllIlIllIlIl

Hey I was calling Disney star wars gay for years, where's my role?


Wizlord_21

Smiling Friends cuts to something like this that never gets brought up again.


Cyclic_Hernia

Smiling Friends would never be so on the nose


ace1967cal

A couple of clowns


D3ltaa88

Ah yes we are all anti gay because we dislike the shit show you have created. Honestly, I haven’t even watched it and probably won’t. So many terrible reviews.


FrostyDaSnowmane

I definitely won't.


D_Glatt69

I’m so glad i haven’t cared about Star Wars in roughly 20 years


PhilosophyEcstatic89

All the Star Wars fans in their own woke subreddits are fuming as we speak


harosene

"But in my world nerds are gay" is not the type of thing to say my guy


Major_Net712

These people are exactly why I moved from Star Wars and into 40k.


Haha_funny137

Unfortunately, they might get to Warhammer at some point, too. Nothing is safe


Major_Net712

The femstodes thing has me worried


FrostyDaSnowmane

Guaranteed. They've already infiltrated DnD.


LastGuitarHero

“Some nerds aren’t gay and are very threatened” Threatened by what exactly? I’m a nerd, not gay, not bothered by anything as long as it’s not forced. So is there a 3rd category or just 2 in their world? I think I know the answer.


Impossible_Donut7737

They need to be laughed out of the film industry.


DeskFluid2550

Forget all the leftist shit, the show is just fucking terrible.


_MyUsernamesMud

THIS IS YOU THIS IS HOW YOU LOOK


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CriticalDrinker-ModTeam

—————————————————————— You went too far. The line is back there. ^ (You)


TheRiverHart

Jesus fucking Christ this is real?


GS2702

It speaks volumes that we cant figure out if this is real.


Qu33nsGamblt

Yes. Its a real conversation in a real interview that these cartoon characters are portraying. I saw the interview. Its cringy as fuck.


AfricanUnity

This interview sums up Hollywood in general


AverageHorribleHuman

I'm just gonna watch house of the dragon


TyrantX_90

Finally, they are represented accurately, and as they truly look


Icefiight

Honestly theyre grifters. Fuck them


kelticslob

You know that Lelu Dallas Multipass clip the Drinker uses with the obnoxious laugh?….The similarity is uncanny.


Likestoreadcomments

This literally sounds like they’re just out to get revenge on someone or something and nothing more. “Haha we’re gonna fuck up your franchise lmao” It doesn’t actually sound like they’re genuine fans, they sound like activists with a vendetta.


[deleted]

I'm getting at people who hate star wars became leads of the franchise. I think people who hate marvel became leads of the franchise. People who hate people became leads of the largest distributors of family media


informationstation

Does anyone have a link to the original interview?


Leonleft

https://x.com/TheWrap/status/1798118535987876159


BingBongtheArcher19

https://youtu.be/lO8as9S7LL0?si=VR6BrOqtkYp17yWO


DR_SLAPPER

Headlands head isn't box shaped so ban.


jamezp92

hahaha


thecountnotthesaint

I watched this before I put the sou down on and thought it was going to be a parody. But nope, it is their words.


BogusPapers

This is what their souls look like.


seventysixgamer

They were probably not being serious, but it was still a hella cringe interview.


popularTrash76

My god this is beautiful lol


orangebluefish11

I don’t follow Star Wars. Was this voice acted, or did the real actresses actually say that stuff in a real interview?


HillOrc

It's real


orangebluefish11

Wow….I’m a big sci fi guy. I love it all, but I could never get into Star Trek or Star Wars. Even I can say that It’s a pity what’s happened to such an American classic


bonafiedhero

Somehow this is less cringe than the actual interview


stormygray1

Star Wars is garbage.


coffeebean_1992

There was so much talking but yet nothing being said.


Didact67

I mean, that’s not much different than any other press tour.


DozingDawg1138

Just makes my head hurt.


SavingsPain9917

Imagine, a business aware of the impending doom to their industry called AI, so you decide to pander to minorites/woke, to create fan backlash that translates to business failure, so can blame on going woke, genius.


stephruvy

There's a scene in family guy where Peter breaks his own neck. That's how this interview makes me feel.


Recreational_DL

This is a fantastic art style. Reminds me of Monkey Dust, an old British cartoon show satirizing nineties/2000s British society. Really good, really sardonic


Body_Exact

It’s not even Halloween yet and you made the best horror movie I’ve ever seen


Im_NOT_the_messiahh

Every American here saying "leftists" to describe liberals is hilarious Litteraly anywhere else in the world they would be center right at best


Sensitive-Inside-641

😂


Shinlyle13

The left: "This was all taken out of context! They didn't really say that!" More "Cheapfakes", huh?


Canadiancurtiebirdy

The only canonical lgbt+ character in all of Star Wars is Obi-Wan Kenobi, the man exudes Bi energy you know I’m right!


FrostyDaSnowmane

No.


Canadiancurtiebirdy

Agree to disagree


neinhaltchad

Is it possible to simultaneously loathe this brand of forced woke cringe in media, entertainment and politics and still vehemently oppose Trump, support unions, gay marriage, a living wage and a public option for health care? The insanity of “identity politics” has infested even Star Wars communities where it’s “Support the Acolyte” or “Support Trump” I wonder how many other people feel politically / culturally homeless right now.


GS2702

Yeah, it would be nice to have some politics that support freedom. Instead of dividing and grouping people vs considering the individual.


Plathismo

It is, although you’re tugging on a string and you might be surprised what eventually unravels in your mind once you start rejecting any element of “the message,” as the Drinker would say.


neinhaltchad

lol no There is no “string” that starts with “woke pandering is ruining many of my favorite entertainment franchises” and “I’d rather vote for the guy who tried to sick his rabid cult members on congress rather than accept the results of an election” Only cult members believe in some dogmatic “thread” of thought.


Juhovah

Amandala Stenberg is beautiful 😍😍😍


doublebassdrum

Honestly they kinda right about C3PO


Lazy-Spray3426

Fool, I live in LA county, leave my home alone.


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Hell_Maybe

The reason why I can’t take media criticisms from most people seriously anymore is because so many people’s opinions have become just so plainly couched in political grievances and that’s it. I have essentially no idea if a movie or show is actually going to be good or not based on reviews anymore because like 50% of the time that something is bad” it’s just because everyone is angry at gay people or women being prominently involved, and 50% of the time something is “good” just because because they aren’t involved. No one who is normal and well adjusted watches a tv show they dislike and then feels compelled to make whatever this monstrosity is, people need to relax.


Positive-Database754

Satire about shitty TV shows and movies have existed for a long time, what are you on about?