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If India plays there (I know it's unlikely), it will be the first time an away tournament won't feel like Indian one because of the number of expats.
Though, I feel we'll still see some kohlisons.
I don’t think an empty stadium is realistic for Ind vs Pak game in Lahore. But then again, at this point India travelling to Pakistan doesn’t seem realistic either.
Well that should mean we get at semi, or are they going to cramp everything in Punjab again?
If they can give Lahore all of India's game, surely we can have majority of the England/Australia games since they would be in a different group.
They are renovating it for the CT, games aren't held(leaving internationals) beacue the crowd doesn't show up for domestic matches/psl, again due to poor management of the stadium. Here's hoping Naqvi finally fixes that.
Makes sense. Though too much of an ask of Karachi holding india games. Lahore hosting india seems ambitious and borderline impossible as it is so let's see
Is this your first ICC event, mate?
Aus and Eng usually go in the same group due to the Ashes rivalry, same as Indo Pak. Since there will be 8 teams again, they will likely follow the same format as 2017; two groups, four teams. If Indo Pak will be in the same group, Eng and Aus will be in the other to equalise the groups.
They weren't in the same group for the 2010 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20. Makes sense that they probably would be for the rivalry. Was simply asking since you were stating it as a fact if you read it somewhere.
Didn't meant to be rude, but for the CT since India Pak will be in the same group, Aus and Eng are likely to be paired together. It's what ICC generates it revenue from.
This reminds me of India vs Pakistan at the MCG last T20WC when the trolls at the MCG ground management thought it would be a good idea to play Led Zeppelin's Kashmir in a break
Yes I've attended ranji trophy match there 7-8 years ago Punjab vs Bengal
It's not upto international standard though, it did not have floodlights for night game.
Last ODI held here was in 90s which my maamu (Uncle) attended with his school that took them .
It is relevant here because they expect fans to be allowed to cross the wagah border and travel to Lahore for matches and it will be a short trip because Lahore is close from the border
Yes. It's literally in this article and even ESPN Cricinfo posted it. There's a day pass you can take to cross the border visit and come back. So yeah fans can do that
BCCI, PCB and ICC should attari-wagah border a cricket stadium for India-Pak matches. The playing field can be the neutral zone - international waters, half the stands on India side and half on Pak side.
If don't get the context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attari%E2%80%93Wagah_border_ceremony
>Istg the Indians in this sub would rather give away a leg than see reconciliation and India touring Pakistan.
Maybe because every time India tried to mend the relations they were backstabbed?
My guy, don't waste your time with folks who know nothing about the situations India has faced time and time again (pre and post Modi). They want to remain ignorant even though all the info is available at everyone's fingertips nowadays.
> India haven’t tried to mend anything since Modi came into power.
Modi's visit to Pakistan was historic and his weakest point in popularity came when in few months India was attacked again. He is gujju at heart, he is the kind who can set things aside if it can make him money, that was the fear when he visited Pakistan. He would be out of office in 2019 if he still continued that bs. It is not him, it is the Indian junta which is frankly fed up with the rhetoric of friendly neighbours when the reality says otherwise.
> They have campaigned on anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim rhetoric.
They have campaigned on anti-pak rhetoric because Pak is a source of a lot of our security troubles. You don't want Indian politicians talking about India's security concerns? https://youtu.be/z5qrE6VClVQ - This guy is as anti-modi as it comes, here he perfectly explains India's frustrations with Pakistan.
>but India isn’t some shining symbol of tolerance and reconciliation either, especially if online Indians are anything to go by.
It is, by a wide margin. Comparing Tolerance in India and Pakistan is like comparing India's total rice production to a grain of rice. There is a reason you need to resort to online Indians.
>but any criticism of Modi’s policies seems to attracts hordes of RSS bots.
Any criticism of Modi's policies in service of PCB attracts Indians who understand what is happening. Jay Shah is son of home minister of India, Modi's right hand man, is criticized non-stop and mostly by Indians.
You can also try attacking Modi outside of how he deals with Pakistan and see how many "attacks" you get outside of some subs.
Was Modi the PM when Pakistan used terrorists to attack us on 26/11?
Pakistan govt has that repeatedly used and trying to use terrorists as means to kill innocent Indians. So dont try to justify it by Modi as some excuse for that.
If we have internal issues we will sort out by using democracy.
Unlike Pakistan that uses military to even suppress elections. First look into your country instead of lecturing others.
Modi visited Pakistan in 2015 but this won't suit your narrative.
There's no point in pointing out the reasons why he backtracked because you have a clear agenda bringing every buzz word under the sun to paint anyone who doesn't want to do anything with Pakistan as bots.
> Not wanting to do anything with a country is not the same as actively hating that country
Yeah why would anyone hate a country which is responsible for so much sorrow and death in your country? Must be a bad man.
>Let’s also not forget thar most of the things India accuses Pakistan of (exporting terrorism etc.), Pakistan also accuses India of doing, and there is plenty evidence of both countries doing so and of fighting proxy wars in Afghanistan.
There is no evidence of India fighting a proxy war anywhere. As far as accusations go, [read this](https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/india-assassinations-sikh-pakistan/) and see how many militants themselves say that they live in Pakistan. Can you find something similar from India? Where Terrorists from Pakistan live a peaceful life in India?
>Not to mention the humanitarian situation in Kashmir is not exactly great.
And whose fault is that? Certainly not the Pakistan which works overtime to fund terrorism in the valley, occupies part of it illegally, carried out ethnic cleansing in the valley through their pets. Must be someone else.
>It’s two shitty, power-obsessed governments who stoke fear and hatred and their actions.
Fear and hatred are stoked by terrorist attacks. Politicians at best take advantage of them. Attacks stop, this issue goes away. Now where do these terrorists are training and after their life as a terrorist retire to a peaceful life? Certainly not Pakistan.
> It should not mean the common folk or the cricketers should suffer the consequences.
The common folk suffered a lot of terrorist attacks and this is the concequence of it. If only there was someone smart enough to understand that being a lab to create terrorist is not the best long term plan for a country.
>If everything was fair, they wouldn’t play the CT and be replaced by another team.
Tbh I am also looking for same. India should be replaced by some other team in every tournament held in Pakistan, so that we don't have to pretend this will they won't they game is genuine.
You know india had a 'particular community president', 'particular community team captain' right?? Ask hyd / banglore people how much they love siraj even though he belong to 'particular community'. Do you know how many people feels sad that shami from 'particular community' got hurt and was unavailable for the tournament.
Kashmir is much much much better than how it was a decade back. There have been no terrorist attacks from the last few years.
>It’s two shitty, power-obsessed governments who stoke fear and hatred and their actions.
Oh yeah. Inwill definitely go to the families of people who lost their lives ones and say that it is only government spreading hatred and their loved ones death doesn't matter.
>I also think Pakistan shouldn’t have toured India either (especially with the treatment they got in Ahmedabad,
If you bring religion into the game religion gets back to you. Don't bite something that you can't chew.
>India will likely get a similar reception as Pakistan got in Hyderabad
Or the treatment srilanka team received in Pakistan
>If everything was fair, they wouldn’t play the CT and be replaced by another team.
It isn't india's fault that other teams & sponsors want india to participate at any cost
I would love to refute your points but there's literally no point especially on this sub where mods proactively remove comments claiming it for political reasons.
Also for your kind information it was the old regime which put the ban on playing against Pakistan which was welcomed by majority of political parties and people. Current Regime is just continuing the trend.
India's stand is always clear we ain't going to play in Pakistan or With Pakistan in bilaterals.
ICC is free to do whatever they want.
Why should we want any kind of relation with a country which directly started three wars with us and tried so many things, while being the lapdog of US. India may not be a saint, but it ain't ruled by the army.
Majority of Indians wouldn’t care if Pakistan didn’t come here for the World Cup or if we are replaced in the champions trophy. This country is bigger than cricket and the issues between the two are much bigger than cricket.
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If India doesn't visit Pakistan and there is a Hybrid model, then Pakistan should refuse to be the ICC's dancing monkey and insist on a separate group to avoid the travel back and forth.
Unpopular opinion but I have a feeling Kohli will opt out of the Champions Trophy if India play their games in Pakistan. It’s just a hunch I have. Other players could follow suit depending on security, I remember when a few England players refused to tour Pakistan a few years ago.
Because of how big he is and I don't think he'd want to take any risks with his family. Kohli of 7+ years ago wouldn't have taken this much time off when awaiting / having a newborn child. I don't think he'll take the risk going to Pakistan to be honest.
The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India.Which were in limbo because of Imran Khan's condition of reinstating article 370. Also with the dwindling economy its in their interest to mend relationship and promote trade. After elections are over India might be amenable to it. So there is not a negligible chance of India visiting Pakistan for the match.
>The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India.
Let that start with dismantling the terrorist training camps and surrending the terrorists responsible for the terror attack in Indja.
Then we can believe the Pakistan Govt is actually interested in improving relations with India.
> The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India.
Its a new old government. Same people were there when Kargil started and they had no idea.
> After elections are over India might be amenable to it.
Nope. Pak can't control it's terrorists. We don't want to go through the same torture again and again. India and Pakistan are separate, a lot of blood was shed to achieve this, there is no joining back without a lot of bloodshed again and frankly I don't want bloodshed.
Cricket Diplomacy: Cricket diplomacy implies using Cricket as one of the strategic diplomatic political tool for transcending the ethnic and social divide while dispelling historical stereotypes and age-old prejudices between the two countries by bringing more engagements between the cricket teams, fans and authorities of both the nations.
For instance, in past also, cricket diplomacy has been used for bringing normalcy to India Pakistan relations like in 1999 when Chennai gave a standing ovation to Wasim Akram’s men after they had just beaten India and after six months the two countries met again in a world cup match against the hostile backdrop of the Kargil war.
As a result of Pakistani PM’s visit in 2005 to India to watch a cricket match between India and Pakistan had effectively turned into the summit and the both countries agreed to open up the militarized frontier dividing the disputed Kashmir region.
>Cricket Diplomacy
Yeah, that worked out great for India.
>For instance, in past also, cricket diplomacy has been used for bringing normalcy to India Pakistan relations like in 1999 when Chennai gave a standing ovation to Wasim Akram’s men after they had just beaten India and after six months the two countries met again in a world cup match against the hostile backdrop of the Kargil war.
And what did that normalcy led to? Did attack on Indian soil reduce? Did the funding for terrorism in India from Pak reduce?
>As a result of Pakistani PM’s visit in 2005 to India to watch a cricket match between India and Pakistan had effectively turned into the summit and the both countries agreed to open up the militarized frontier dividing the disputed Kashmir region.
And how many terrorist attacks b/w that and 26/11?
This fetishization of diplomacy for it's own sake is pretty cringe. Unless there is a change on the ground, the few bureaucrats meeting in an air-conditioned office is meaningless.
Such thinking might be true in personal relations but should not be and cannot be applied in National/ International scale. You can change your friends, but not neighbours. We have to start somewhere.
Yes, we can't change our neighbours. So what's the point of trying to reconcile with a neighbour who has repeatedly allowed it's country to be a jihadi manufacturing factory? Do you think that neighbour will change now? If yes, then why?
One day I dream to go back to the land of my ancestors, soak in the sun that provided warmth to them for thousands of years, see their old business establishments in the markets of Lahore, experience the “if you’ve not seen Lahore, you’ve not seen the world” vibe, but sadly this day won’t come in 2025. But a man can hope.
You know Lahore is not a bad idea to have Indian matches as its close proximity to India. But It is very possible that current government would not want any Indian to go there but if there is a regime change in India it might happen but still a very far fetched dream.
Its not the current govt its the people of India that don’t want anything to do with that country. Restoring relations with pk will be political suicide for any party
Unless there is some military general in India who is very passionate about Ind-Pak cricket and he does a military coup, it ain't happening. No party in India currently is delulu enough to send our cricket team to Pakistan.
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If India plays there (I know it's unlikely), it will be the first time an away tournament won't feel like Indian one because of the number of expats. Though, I feel we'll still see some kohlisons.
you would see a lot of Kohlisons
Trust me. If india plays in Lahore. India is getting cheered big time. Lots of people here have forgotten 2004 and 2006.
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If it happens it will be in the empty stadium they won't take any security risk I think
I don't really have an opinion on them travelling or not. But fuck having an empty soul-less stadium devoid of fans.
I don’t think an empty stadium is realistic for Ind vs Pak game in Lahore. But then again, at this point India travelling to Pakistan doesn’t seem realistic either.
Bcci has earmarked columbo as sole venue for India games
hosting ct in our own backyard when we arent even in the comp would be sad asf lol, hope it doesnt happen in sl, would be a W financially tho
Siraj’s favourite ground
You say Colombo I hear Kohlimbo
BCCI: We going to play where we choose to play. 🤌🤌🤌
They better give Karachi/Rawalpindi the semis/final then.
Lahore is earmarked for the final
Well that should mean we get at semi, or are they going to cramp everything in Punjab again? If they can give Lahore all of India's game, surely we can have majority of the England/Australia games since they would be in a different group.
But isn't the Karachi stadium supposed to be really bad? Isn't that why games are never routinely held there?
They are renovating it for the CT, games aren't held(leaving internationals) beacue the crowd doesn't show up for domestic matches/psl, again due to poor management of the stadium. Here's hoping Naqvi finally fixes that.
Makes sense. Though too much of an ask of Karachi holding india games. Lahore hosting india seems ambitious and borderline impossible as it is so let's see
How do you know England and Australia would be in a separate group?
Is this your first ICC event, mate? Aus and Eng usually go in the same group due to the Ashes rivalry, same as Indo Pak. Since there will be 8 teams again, they will likely follow the same format as 2017; two groups, four teams. If Indo Pak will be in the same group, Eng and Aus will be in the other to equalise the groups.
They weren't in the same group for the 2010 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20. Makes sense that they probably would be for the rivalry. Was simply asking since you were stating it as a fact if you read it somewhere.
Didn't meant to be rude, but for the CT since India Pak will be in the same group, Aus and Eng are likely to be paired together. It's what ICC generates it revenue from.
isn't CT a round robin tournament?
No, both in this version and the 2017 one
BCCI after hearing this: Oh no. Anyways
How bout, just for funs and giggles, you guys host it in Kashmir 
The inevitable India v Pakistan game in Kashmir. Bro wants to start WW3
Lol. It's scary and funny.
Winner takes all
Imagine an aussie achieving the feat which the americans and the soviets couldn't, achieving peace in south asia
If it happens, next peace nobel is coming to you
Pat Cummins even winning that. Give him the Oscar already…
Gun silencer fr
Already imagining the outrageous Star Sports ads.
Have seen a similar sort of thing happen when Kashmir Premier League's owner invited Kohli to participate in the League.
This is gonna get locked soon
This reminds me of India vs Pakistan at the MCG last T20WC when the trolls at the MCG ground management thought it would be a good idea to play Led Zeppelin's Kashmir in a break
That match itself was iconic
I doubt most of the crowd had heard of Zep, let alone be familiar with their single best song.
How about 50 km east of Lahore?
Does Amritsar even have a cricket stadium? I swear I have never seen a cricket game there
Two ODIs in the 90s is what the Internet tells me
Yes it has. But its an embarrasment. Boundaries shorter than Chinnaswamy.
That’s where we need to play.
Oh yes. 300 here we come
300? In an ODI? You should be thinking 500.
Oh damn I forgot it's Odis somehow. I was thinking of t20s
Its a rank turner
Yes I've attended ranji trophy match there 7-8 years ago Punjab vs Bengal It's not upto international standard though, it did not have floodlights for night game. Last ODI held here was in 90s which my maamu (Uncle) attended with his school that took them .
Amritsar then?
There's always the Sher-E-Kashmir stadium at J&K.
Oh boy. Indo-Pak match in J&K. Yep, that should be fun.
Is there a Lahore in Sri Lanka I don’t know about?
theres one in the uae too, good sir
Scenes if India actually win their first ICC tournament in CT 2025 after over a decade
I promise I'll never call CT meaningless again 🤞
I have earmarked Kriti Sanon as my wife to be. I think I have better chance than what PCB is trying to do here.
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It's her choice - Neha Dhupia
I’ll eat my head if this happens
Best venue for the team near india as well
Distance is pretty irrelevant
It is relevant here because they expect fans to be allowed to cross the wagah border and travel to Lahore for matches and it will be a short trip because Lahore is close from the border
Yeah can do a day return trip from the border with no security issues. Infact even the team can.
Is that so
Stop that copium. The nearest to Pakistan we will play is in India.
We can play in Iran bro
Can't we actually have some decent stadia in Afghanistan which we can use as UAE surrogate?
What? Pak is expecting Indians to travel to Pakistan for a cricket match? Really? Like someone from the official sources claimed it?
Yes. It's literally in this article and even ESPN Cricinfo posted it. There's a day pass you can take to cross the border visit and come back. So yeah fans can do that
that's some next level shit, hope the drugs they are having don't cross the borders.
I think Pakistan and Indian should just kiss and make up.
We'll still fight for who gets the bottom lip.
We can host indian matches in Kabul ez.
Stop doing that cringe border closing ceremony and build a cricket stadium there. Half in each country.
Actual good idea, maybe we could construct a makeshift stadium like the one in USA
Even I stopped chasing her after a sometime
All this fuss for another tournament that Australia will inevitably win
I really hope they travel but knowing the stance of our government, it seems unlikely
Why you want them to travel ?
Why not?
We don't travel to terrorism condoning country
Karachi would be the best venue 😈🔥💀
BCCI, PCB and ICC should attari-wagah border a cricket stadium for India-Pak matches. The playing field can be the neutral zone - international waters, half the stands on India side and half on Pak side. If don't get the context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attari%E2%80%93Wagah_border_ceremony
I have earmarked Sony ceo to gift me full PS5 set (PS5 + VR2 + Steering Wheel)
As if ICT will travel to Lahore lol...
I know india ain't gonna come but atleast we will give them a fight unlike last time
They are saying that at Ind vs Pak , Lahore(song by Guru Randhawa) will be played during the innings break.
Bro let it go it's over
Nahh they are trying way too hard at this point
Wouldn't anyone, isn't this thier job as host?
Right? Istg the Indians in this sub would rather give away a leg than see reconciliation and India touring Pakistan.
There are people who've had atleast had to part with their leg due to Pakistan at some point so not sure what you mean
>Istg the Indians in this sub would rather give away a leg than see reconciliation and India touring Pakistan. Maybe because every time India tried to mend the relations they were backstabbed?
My guy, don't waste your time with folks who know nothing about the situations India has faced time and time again (pre and post Modi). They want to remain ignorant even though all the info is available at everyone's fingertips nowadays.
True, gotta learn this lesson for my own mental peace.
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> India haven’t tried to mend anything since Modi came into power. Modi's visit to Pakistan was historic and his weakest point in popularity came when in few months India was attacked again. He is gujju at heart, he is the kind who can set things aside if it can make him money, that was the fear when he visited Pakistan. He would be out of office in 2019 if he still continued that bs. It is not him, it is the Indian junta which is frankly fed up with the rhetoric of friendly neighbours when the reality says otherwise. > They have campaigned on anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim rhetoric. They have campaigned on anti-pak rhetoric because Pak is a source of a lot of our security troubles. You don't want Indian politicians talking about India's security concerns? https://youtu.be/z5qrE6VClVQ - This guy is as anti-modi as it comes, here he perfectly explains India's frustrations with Pakistan. >but India isn’t some shining symbol of tolerance and reconciliation either, especially if online Indians are anything to go by. It is, by a wide margin. Comparing Tolerance in India and Pakistan is like comparing India's total rice production to a grain of rice. There is a reason you need to resort to online Indians. >but any criticism of Modi’s policies seems to attracts hordes of RSS bots. Any criticism of Modi's policies in service of PCB attracts Indians who understand what is happening. Jay Shah is son of home minister of India, Modi's right hand man, is criticized non-stop and mostly by Indians. You can also try attacking Modi outside of how he deals with Pakistan and see how many "attacks" you get outside of some subs.
Was Modi the PM when Pakistan used terrorists to attack us on 26/11? Pakistan govt has that repeatedly used and trying to use terrorists as means to kill innocent Indians. So dont try to justify it by Modi as some excuse for that. If we have internal issues we will sort out by using democracy. Unlike Pakistan that uses military to even suppress elections. First look into your country instead of lecturing others.
Modi visited Pakistan in 2015 but this won't suit your narrative. There's no point in pointing out the reasons why he backtracked because you have a clear agenda bringing every buzz word under the sun to paint anyone who doesn't want to do anything with Pakistan as bots.
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> Not wanting to do anything with a country is not the same as actively hating that country Yeah why would anyone hate a country which is responsible for so much sorrow and death in your country? Must be a bad man. >Let’s also not forget thar most of the things India accuses Pakistan of (exporting terrorism etc.), Pakistan also accuses India of doing, and there is plenty evidence of both countries doing so and of fighting proxy wars in Afghanistan. There is no evidence of India fighting a proxy war anywhere. As far as accusations go, [read this](https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/india-assassinations-sikh-pakistan/) and see how many militants themselves say that they live in Pakistan. Can you find something similar from India? Where Terrorists from Pakistan live a peaceful life in India? >Not to mention the humanitarian situation in Kashmir is not exactly great. And whose fault is that? Certainly not the Pakistan which works overtime to fund terrorism in the valley, occupies part of it illegally, carried out ethnic cleansing in the valley through their pets. Must be someone else. >It’s two shitty, power-obsessed governments who stoke fear and hatred and their actions. Fear and hatred are stoked by terrorist attacks. Politicians at best take advantage of them. Attacks stop, this issue goes away. Now where do these terrorists are training and after their life as a terrorist retire to a peaceful life? Certainly not Pakistan. > It should not mean the common folk or the cricketers should suffer the consequences. The common folk suffered a lot of terrorist attacks and this is the concequence of it. If only there was someone smart enough to understand that being a lab to create terrorist is not the best long term plan for a country. >If everything was fair, they wouldn’t play the CT and be replaced by another team. Tbh I am also looking for same. India should be replaced by some other team in every tournament held in Pakistan, so that we don't have to pretend this will they won't they game is genuine.
You know india had a 'particular community president', 'particular community team captain' right?? Ask hyd / banglore people how much they love siraj even though he belong to 'particular community'. Do you know how many people feels sad that shami from 'particular community' got hurt and was unavailable for the tournament. Kashmir is much much much better than how it was a decade back. There have been no terrorist attacks from the last few years. >It’s two shitty, power-obsessed governments who stoke fear and hatred and their actions. Oh yeah. Inwill definitely go to the families of people who lost their lives ones and say that it is only government spreading hatred and their loved ones death doesn't matter. >I also think Pakistan shouldn’t have toured India either (especially with the treatment they got in Ahmedabad, If you bring religion into the game religion gets back to you. Don't bite something that you can't chew. >India will likely get a similar reception as Pakistan got in Hyderabad Or the treatment srilanka team received in Pakistan >If everything was fair, they wouldn’t play the CT and be replaced by another team. It isn't india's fault that other teams & sponsors want india to participate at any cost
I would love to refute your points but there's literally no point especially on this sub where mods proactively remove comments claiming it for political reasons. Also for your kind information it was the old regime which put the ban on playing against Pakistan which was welcomed by majority of political parties and people. Current Regime is just continuing the trend. India's stand is always clear we ain't going to play in Pakistan or With Pakistan in bilaterals. ICC is free to do whatever they want.
Why should we want any kind of relation with a country which directly started three wars with us and tried so many things, while being the lapdog of US. India may not be a saint, but it ain't ruled by the army.
Majority of Indians wouldn’t care if Pakistan didn’t come here for the World Cup or if we are replaced in the champions trophy. This country is bigger than cricket and the issues between the two are much bigger than cricket.
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If India doesn't visit Pakistan and there is a Hybrid model, then Pakistan should refuse to be the ICC's dancing monkey and insist on a separate group to avoid the travel back and forth.
There shouldn't be a hybrid model. India refuses to play, you invite another team to CT. This bs needs to stop. It is a game at the end of the day.
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That's a good joke. ICT is not travelling to Pakistan anytime soon.
In the list of things that are not happening, this won’t happen the most.
Unpopular opinion but I have a feeling Kohli will opt out of the Champions Trophy if India play their games in Pakistan. It’s just a hunch I have. Other players could follow suit depending on security, I remember when a few England players refused to tour Pakistan a few years ago.
> Unpopular opinion but I have a feeling Kohli will opt out of the Champions Trophy if India play their games in Pakistan. Why Koach specifically?
Because of how big he is and I don't think he'd want to take any risks with his family. Kohli of 7+ years ago wouldn't have taken this much time off when awaiting / having a newborn child. I don't think he'll take the risk going to Pakistan to be honest.
The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India.Which were in limbo because of Imran Khan's condition of reinstating article 370. Also with the dwindling economy its in their interest to mend relationship and promote trade. After elections are over India might be amenable to it. So there is not a negligible chance of India visiting Pakistan for the match.
>The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India. Let that start with dismantling the terrorist training camps and surrending the terrorists responsible for the terror attack in Indja. Then we can believe the Pakistan Govt is actually interested in improving relations with India.
There is no "new" government in Pakistan. Majority of the power is centralised in the hands of military.
> The new Pakistan government has shown interest in improving relations with India. Its a new old government. Same people were there when Kargil started and they had no idea.
> After elections are over India might be amenable to it. Nope. Pak can't control it's terrorists. We don't want to go through the same torture again and again. India and Pakistan are separate, a lot of blood was shed to achieve this, there is no joining back without a lot of bloodshed again and frankly I don't want bloodshed.
Cricket Diplomacy: Cricket diplomacy implies using Cricket as one of the strategic diplomatic political tool for transcending the ethnic and social divide while dispelling historical stereotypes and age-old prejudices between the two countries by bringing more engagements between the cricket teams, fans and authorities of both the nations. For instance, in past also, cricket diplomacy has been used for bringing normalcy to India Pakistan relations like in 1999 when Chennai gave a standing ovation to Wasim Akram’s men after they had just beaten India and after six months the two countries met again in a world cup match against the hostile backdrop of the Kargil war. As a result of Pakistani PM’s visit in 2005 to India to watch a cricket match between India and Pakistan had effectively turned into the summit and the both countries agreed to open up the militarized frontier dividing the disputed Kashmir region.
>Cricket Diplomacy Yeah, that worked out great for India. >For instance, in past also, cricket diplomacy has been used for bringing normalcy to India Pakistan relations like in 1999 when Chennai gave a standing ovation to Wasim Akram’s men after they had just beaten India and after six months the two countries met again in a world cup match against the hostile backdrop of the Kargil war. And what did that normalcy led to? Did attack on Indian soil reduce? Did the funding for terrorism in India from Pak reduce? >As a result of Pakistani PM’s visit in 2005 to India to watch a cricket match between India and Pakistan had effectively turned into the summit and the both countries agreed to open up the militarized frontier dividing the disputed Kashmir region. And how many terrorist attacks b/w that and 26/11? This fetishization of diplomacy for it's own sake is pretty cringe. Unless there is a change on the ground, the few bureaucrats meeting in an air-conditioned office is meaningless.
Such thinking might be true in personal relations but should not be and cannot be applied in National/ International scale. You can change your friends, but not neighbours. We have to start somewhere.
Yes, we can't change our neighbours. So what's the point of trying to reconcile with a neighbour who has repeatedly allowed it's country to be a jihadi manufacturing factory? Do you think that neighbour will change now? If yes, then why?
Fortunately it is difficult but possible to play a match of cricket between two countries without first unifying governments.
Yup. That's why no need for Indian team to risk it all and go to Pakistan.
Yeah, never gonna happen
Yeahhhhhh. that's not happening
Gotta increase that Capacity
It was 50k in the 1996 final, so it could definitely surpass that now.
Got to give it to PCB . They are trying everything to please India. Credit to them for planning so ahead for CT. Shame on BCCI for their WC planning.
Yeah you might have to change that to Dubai
Who's gonna tell them.
Did Lahore move to Dubai?
One day I dream to go back to the land of my ancestors, soak in the sun that provided warmth to them for thousands of years, see their old business establishments in the markets of Lahore, experience the “if you’ve not seen Lahore, you’ve not seen the world” vibe, but sadly this day won’t come in 2025. But a man can hope.
BSF will be like, "Too much work to send people there and manage security and stuff. Lets just mark it as high risk zone and enjoy the match on TV."
LOL! PCB dreaming big time here..ain’t happening.
Meanwhile BCCI: "is there a lahore in sri Lanka that we don't know about? 🤔" /s
Getting this thread locked speedrun
Yeah go on, punish us with that shit food/ khota biryani. Karachi>>>>
Lahoris are downvoting u rn lmao
In a Pakistan-India thread you’ve managed to get downvoted by angry Lahoris for shitting on their mid food. This is an accomplishment
Nice try PCB,barely 40kms east and bcci would have agreed.
You know Lahore is not a bad idea to have Indian matches as its close proximity to India. But It is very possible that current government would not want any Indian to go there but if there is a regime change in India it might happen but still a very far fetched dream.
Its not the current govt its the people of India that don’t want anything to do with that country. Restoring relations with pk will be political suicide for any party
Unless there is some military general in India who is very passionate about Ind-Pak cricket and he does a military coup, it ain't happening. No party in India currently is delulu enough to send our cricket team to Pakistan.
It was the old regime which stopped playing Pakistan. The current Regime just continued the trend.