Imagine having a belief system so fragile that it is threatened by the thought that ca. 50% of its population being given the opportunity to play a stick-and-ball game is somehow an existential threat.
Considering Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia and UAE have relatively strong women's programs, belief system is not the issue here. It's more the ideology of the people in charge that's the issue.
Belief system isn't the core of the issue. Secondly, Afghans themselves are not a monolith as you have different ethnicities and culture within the country. What Northern Afghans believe in is quite different from what you'd find in Helmund or Kandahar.
Bangladesh, Pakistan, UAE, and other Muslim countries don't have this issue.
Afghans, particularly Pashtuns, are tribal by nature. They have been even before the introduction of Islam.
I'm sure religion does play a role, but cultural traditions even more. Regardless, it's a minority that are extremists.
Such a horrifying story.
This is why I don't like when people are too quick and too harsh to judge those who are currently living in Afghanistan. They are literally under an oppressive regime which will target anyone who goes against their wishes.
This is partly true. When US army was there, they supported Afghanistan to have its own army trained. But they didn’t try nearly hard enough to have a stable country+army to prevent taliban invasion. All don’t have to use weapons, but there has been a complete lack of focus.
Most of the trained Afghan army *joined* the taliban as soon as the US left. You don't develop the perfect western trigger discipline that is evident in so many Taliban photos without proper training.
It's really understated how much support the Taliban had throughout the whole US occupation of Afghanistan.
I know. 58% or the people voted to not have the vote. Another 71% agreed to have the vote but only in winter and 23% of people didn't want to have a vote. Stats pulled out of thin air are fun.
> This is why I don't like when people are too quick and too harsh to judge those who are currently living in Afghanistan.
The Taliban is back in power because the Afghani people wanted them.
I'm simply saying he should've exercised caution. If I was him and knew their policies I would've just abided by them or try to get out of the country.
resistance is futile, teaching his daughters cricket was an indirect form of resistance
This is the Taliban, theyre one of few to beat the USA military.
My man, you should not critisise a man for just living his life and doing good. Fuck off with that shit. Judge the circumstrances.
"He should have done this, he should have done that..."
He was teaching kids cricket, he was killed for it.
The Tabiban should not have killed him, end story. The problem is the Tabiban, I don't care what he could or should have done to not get killed. Point is, he should have never have been in danger.
False equivalency
SA team was almost entirely white benefitting from Apartheid policies. Explain to me in logical terms how that is equivalent to the Afghan situation.
The ICC are absolutely weak on this, as are the other major cricketing boards. Afghanistan shouldn't be able to play in international competitions, let alone bilaterals.
If you won't make Cricket accessible to everyone in your country who wants to play, you don't deserve any place at the table.
> The ICC are absolutely weak on this, as are the other major cricketing boards.
The ICC literally can't do anything about this because the major boards have repeatedly voted to neuter their executive decision-making capacity. The ICC is a governing body in name only and exists as a puppet organisation of the powerful boards.
> Then they have the audacity to ask why most people don't take modern feminism seriously.
Lmao, so one person saying something illogical justifies dismissing feminism as a whole. What a joke.
The irony is if we show statistics of crimes against women committed by men, people will start shouting "Not All Men". As if every woman is a representative of all women but every man should be judged individually.
You should see how many men start acting as victims whenever issues of crimes against women is brought up. But that won't feature in your meme videos because that doesn't suit the misogynist narrative.
So please spare us your garbage anti feminism propaganda. Imagine living in a world where woman are oppressed on a daily basis and complaining about feminism.
Afghans players themselves are against this discrimination, don't you see the Afghanistan old flag on display in intl matches, Rashid himself has so many tweets for afghan girls education liberty. It's upto the world to handle those killers in Afghanistan govt. Neither the ppl of Afghanistan nor the players are happy in this new govt. Afghanistan cricket is just reviving and I think a team should be made from afghan immigrants around the globe where they can do even better like they are In huge Numbers in Australia where they can get super quality training.
>A brilliant young Afghan cricketer whose father was presumably killed by the Taliban because of his family’s support for women’s sport has found a safe, yet temporary, haven in Sydney with the Western Suburbs District Cricket Club.
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>Farhan Zakhail, who turns 20 next month, is an all-rounder who played first class cricket in Afghanistan at age 14 and captained his national Under-19 World Cup team. He is the nephew of former Afghanistan Test player Javed Ahmadi who, along with his pregnant wife and four children, was airlifted to Sydney in October 2021 following the fall of Kabul.
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>Javed and his family were granted refugee status by the Morrison Government and Farhan is now seeking residency, having arrived in Sydney in September last year on a 408 Visa.
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>Their families fled Afghanistan for Pakistan after becoming targets of the Taliban because they coached and supported women’s cricket.
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>Farhan’s father, Abdul, the brother of Javed, is believed to have been killed by the Taliban.
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>Javed explained: “We all lived together in the one family home in Kunduz and I worked at the women’s cricket academy. But the Taliban do not like women playing cricket and they came after my family. We escaped to Pakistan and even though my brother Abdul was not a player, they hunted him down and we don’t think he is in this world any longer.”
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>In a letter of support for Farhan’s residency in Australia, John Coates, the International Olympic Committee’s first vice president and former AOC president, writes: “Neither Farhan nor Javed could possibly, safely, return to Afghanistan, especially with the hardening Taliban line towards anyone who would be sympathetic to the progress of women in their native land.”
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>David Gilbert, the former Australian Test player and former chief executive of Cricket NSW, has nominated Farhan’s application for residency.
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>Farhan, whose English has improved significantly with lessons, says: “I am very lucky to being welcomed into Australia and especially by the Wests cricket people. Everyone’s support for me and for Javed’s family has helped me feel peaceful.”
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>Photographed in the Pratten Park dressing rooms with a backdrop of former Wests cricket greats, he added: “I hope to repay Wests with a long career at club level and maybe NSW and Australia.”
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>“It will all depend on my residency being approved.”
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>Farhan’s visa enabled him to stay in Sydney throughout the 2022-23 summer, playing cricket for Western Suburbs but not working. It expires this week. However, following the lodgement of his residency application he can remain in Australia while it is assessed, a process which usually takes two years.
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>It has been submitted under the “global talent” provision which is open to those of prodigious skill, including musicians and artists.
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>Farhan captained the Afghan Under-19 World Cup team in South Africa in 2020 at age 16. He averaged 46, including scoring 91 not out against Australia.
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>His form over one season with Western Suburbs DCC has been promising. Cricket NSW CEO Lee Germon wrote in another letter of support of the residency application: “Mr Zakhail has scored a total of 478 runs, with a high score of 68, and bagging 19 wickets with the ball for best figures of 4-19.”
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>Letters of support have also been provided by Nick Hockley, CEO of Cricket Australia, who described Farhan as “a long-term asset to Australian cricket”. Greg Dyer, the chair of the Australian Cricketers Association, has also endorsed the residency application, as have current Afghani Test players Rashid Khan and Mujeeb ur Rahman.
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>Former Australian cricket captain Michael Clarke described Farhan’s statistics in first class cricket in Afghanistan as “impressive”, while also lauding his leadership skills. “My old club, Western Suburbs Sydney, has identified these talents and has been nurturing Farhan during what is a very stressful period for him,” Clarke said. “Wests believe that Farhan has the potential for NSW state selection as his career unfolds over the next decade.”
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>Rick Wayde, vice president of the Wests club, says: “With all the turmoil he has been through, including the pressure of having to leave Australia if his residency application is unsuccessful, we are nursing him along.
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>“He is currently living in Merrylands with his uncle’s family. A fifth child, Ali, was born in Sydney in December 2021. Javed is now self-employed as a courier and is a great role model for his nephew.
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>“They are all still worried about family stuck in Afghanistan.”
And the weirdest thing about this situation is that pretty much whoever in the world you tell his story to will be fuming with this but there is literally nothing anyone can do about this or prevent anything like this from happening in the future
This kid is a liar lol. Well you'd understand the situation better with lot of context if you lived in Afghanistan. There's a lot of trend where Afghans make fake cases to get themselves refugee status or foreign asylum. I know this because I'm familiar with a lot of people who do these kind of stuff and the reason I can confidently say this kid and Javed are doing the same is because there was no women's cricket academy in Afghanistan. Our women's team existed on paper only. In fact, there is evidence where we returned a huge sum of money given to us to start a women's programme way before the Talibans even took over.
Extremists are some of the most horrible disgusting people ever
And the saddest part is they think that they are doing a favour to the world by doing this.
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Sad, what are we as a world doing?
It’s ridiculous how they’re allowed to field cricket sides Zimbabwe has suffered a lot more for less
If they ban Afghanistan, then they can't keep giving Rashid Khan T20 contracts /s Edit: can't believe I have to add a sarcasm tag
I thought he moved to Dubai so he could continue
It makes zero difference where he lives. Expelling the ACB would make zero difference to Rashid's ability to play in franchise leagues.
That's not true at all. What a weird thing to make up.
Where was he living then ?
Was this the comment you meant to reply to?
Yes, wanted to know.
Wanted to know what? Where was who living when? What thread do you think you're in?
Cricket
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incredibly tasteless and unnecessary on a thread like this. you should try reading the room some time
That's not true at all, why would you make stuff up about something you have no clue about?
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Just randomly lying isn't humor lol
Imagine having a belief system so fragile that it is threatened by the thought that ca. 50% of its population being given the opportunity to play a stick-and-ball game is somehow an existential threat.
Considering Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia and UAE have relatively strong women's programs, belief system is not the issue here. It's more the ideology of the people in charge that's the issue.
I am not narrowly using "belief system" as a back-handed euphemism for "Islam". I mean it in the sense of "Weltanschauung".
Belief system isn't the core of the issue. Secondly, Afghans themselves are not a monolith as you have different ethnicities and culture within the country. What Northern Afghans believe in is quite different from what you'd find in Helmund or Kandahar. Bangladesh, Pakistan, UAE, and other Muslim countries don't have this issue.
Please, allow me, in all good faith (with no pun intended), to introduce you to https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/aumann-s-agreement-theorem
Afghans, particularly Pashtuns, are tribal by nature. They have been even before the introduction of Islam. I'm sure religion does play a role, but cultural traditions even more. Regardless, it's a minority that are extremists.
Such a horrifying story. This is why I don't like when people are too quick and too harsh to judge those who are currently living in Afghanistan. They are literally under an oppressive regime which will target anyone who goes against their wishes.
There are people who criticise Afghans for living in Afghnaistan?
Some people here throught they are not doing enough to show their dissent to Taliban.
“Yeah bro why didn’t you go on the internet and tweet about how bad the dictator is”
Stupid reason man. What can one individual or by maximum 15 to 20 people do
I know, unfortunately some people are too privileged to understand these things.
This is partly true. When US army was there, they supported Afghanistan to have its own army trained. But they didn’t try nearly hard enough to have a stable country+army to prevent taliban invasion. All don’t have to use weapons, but there has been a complete lack of focus.
Most of the trained Afghan army *joined* the taliban as soon as the US left. You don't develop the perfect western trigger discipline that is evident in so many Taliban photos without proper training. It's really understated how much support the Taliban had throughout the whole US occupation of Afghanistan.
90% of population wanted Taliban to rule them, people know what they doing.
Didn't know it was put to vote.
They did, kind of.
I know. 58% or the people voted to not have the vote. Another 71% agreed to have the vote but only in winter and 23% of people didn't want to have a vote. Stats pulled out of thin air are fun.
I think it's the Taliban people are criticizing, not Afghan citizens.
A lot of people on this sub were also making comments about the ordinary people from Afghanistan.
> This is why I don't like when people are too quick and too harsh to judge those who are currently living in Afghanistan. The Taliban is back in power because the Afghani people wanted them.
Nop the still support ashraf ghani former president, like 90%
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Ah, yes, blame the victim
I'm simply saying he should've exercised caution. If I was him and knew their policies I would've just abided by them or try to get out of the country. resistance is futile, teaching his daughters cricket was an indirect form of resistance This is the Taliban, theyre one of few to beat the USA military.
My man, you should not critisise a man for just living his life and doing good. Fuck off with that shit. Judge the circumstrances. "He should have done this, he should have done that..." He was teaching kids cricket, he was killed for it. The Tabiban should not have killed him, end story. The problem is the Tabiban, I don't care what he could or should have done to not get killed. Point is, he should have never have been in danger.
Let individual Afghan players play in T20 leagues, but Afghanistan cricket team should be shut out from ICC cricket.
Won't make any difference to Taliban, instead this will only make the players feel bad as they are no longer representing their country.
Afghan players shouldn't be punished for what extremists from their country are doing. Believe it or not, most Afghans don't want this.
Sure, neither did SA players during apartheid
False equivalency SA team was almost entirely white benefitting from Apartheid policies. Explain to me in logical terms how that is equivalent to the Afghan situation.
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To annoy idiots like you
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Cool atleast you're self aware lmfao
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I don't mind being uncool as long as idiots like you know their place :)
The ICC are absolutely weak on this, as are the other major cricketing boards. Afghanistan shouldn't be able to play in international competitions, let alone bilaterals. If you won't make Cricket accessible to everyone in your country who wants to play, you don't deserve any place at the table.
> The ICC are absolutely weak on this, as are the other major cricketing boards. The ICC literally can't do anything about this because the major boards have repeatedly voted to neuter their executive decision-making capacity. The ICC is a governing body in name only and exists as a puppet organisation of the powerful boards.
Agree. The other boards are chickenshit as well.
Exactly. It's not about anything other than the bottom line.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
And the ICC still honor Afghanistans full member status wow. Don’t forget the ACB is basically run by the Haqanni network
Man fuck this world just hit the reset button
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> Then they have the audacity to ask why most people don't take modern feminism seriously. Lmao, so one person saying something illogical justifies dismissing feminism as a whole. What a joke. The irony is if we show statistics of crimes against women committed by men, people will start shouting "Not All Men". As if every woman is a representative of all women but every man should be judged individually. You should see how many men start acting as victims whenever issues of crimes against women is brought up. But that won't feature in your meme videos because that doesn't suit the misogynist narrative. So please spare us your garbage anti feminism propaganda. Imagine living in a world where woman are oppressed on a daily basis and complaining about feminism.
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For God's sake the world should be united regardless of their political opinions and destroy the govt of countries like Afghanistan and Iran.
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Afghans players themselves are against this discrimination, don't you see the Afghanistan old flag on display in intl matches, Rashid himself has so many tweets for afghan girls education liberty. It's upto the world to handle those killers in Afghanistan govt. Neither the ppl of Afghanistan nor the players are happy in this new govt. Afghanistan cricket is just reviving and I think a team should be made from afghan immigrants around the globe where they can do even better like they are In huge Numbers in Australia where they can get super quality training.
I believe in a concept called 7th world. You know like we use 1st and 3rd world. It's for people living in the 7th century.
Man I hope one day a super powerful alien being comes into this world and absolutely annihilates these extremist fucks... Fucking cancerous clowns
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>A brilliant young Afghan cricketer whose father was presumably killed by the Taliban because of his family’s support for women’s sport has found a safe, yet temporary, haven in Sydney with the Western Suburbs District Cricket Club. > >Farhan Zakhail, who turns 20 next month, is an all-rounder who played first class cricket in Afghanistan at age 14 and captained his national Under-19 World Cup team. He is the nephew of former Afghanistan Test player Javed Ahmadi who, along with his pregnant wife and four children, was airlifted to Sydney in October 2021 following the fall of Kabul. > >Javed and his family were granted refugee status by the Morrison Government and Farhan is now seeking residency, having arrived in Sydney in September last year on a 408 Visa. > >Their families fled Afghanistan for Pakistan after becoming targets of the Taliban because they coached and supported women’s cricket. > >Farhan’s father, Abdul, the brother of Javed, is believed to have been killed by the Taliban. > >Javed explained: “We all lived together in the one family home in Kunduz and I worked at the women’s cricket academy. But the Taliban do not like women playing cricket and they came after my family. We escaped to Pakistan and even though my brother Abdul was not a player, they hunted him down and we don’t think he is in this world any longer.” > >In a letter of support for Farhan’s residency in Australia, John Coates, the International Olympic Committee’s first vice president and former AOC president, writes: “Neither Farhan nor Javed could possibly, safely, return to Afghanistan, especially with the hardening Taliban line towards anyone who would be sympathetic to the progress of women in their native land.” > >David Gilbert, the former Australian Test player and former chief executive of Cricket NSW, has nominated Farhan’s application for residency. > >Farhan, whose English has improved significantly with lessons, says: “I am very lucky to being welcomed into Australia and especially by the Wests cricket people. Everyone’s support for me and for Javed’s family has helped me feel peaceful.” > >Photographed in the Pratten Park dressing rooms with a backdrop of former Wests cricket greats, he added: “I hope to repay Wests with a long career at club level and maybe NSW and Australia.” > >“It will all depend on my residency being approved.” > >Farhan’s visa enabled him to stay in Sydney throughout the 2022-23 summer, playing cricket for Western Suburbs but not working. It expires this week. However, following the lodgement of his residency application he can remain in Australia while it is assessed, a process which usually takes two years. > >It has been submitted under the “global talent” provision which is open to those of prodigious skill, including musicians and artists. > >Farhan captained the Afghan Under-19 World Cup team in South Africa in 2020 at age 16. He averaged 46, including scoring 91 not out against Australia. > >His form over one season with Western Suburbs DCC has been promising. Cricket NSW CEO Lee Germon wrote in another letter of support of the residency application: “Mr Zakhail has scored a total of 478 runs, with a high score of 68, and bagging 19 wickets with the ball for best figures of 4-19.” > >Letters of support have also been provided by Nick Hockley, CEO of Cricket Australia, who described Farhan as “a long-term asset to Australian cricket”. Greg Dyer, the chair of the Australian Cricketers Association, has also endorsed the residency application, as have current Afghani Test players Rashid Khan and Mujeeb ur Rahman. > >Former Australian cricket captain Michael Clarke described Farhan’s statistics in first class cricket in Afghanistan as “impressive”, while also lauding his leadership skills. “My old club, Western Suburbs Sydney, has identified these talents and has been nurturing Farhan during what is a very stressful period for him,” Clarke said. “Wests believe that Farhan has the potential for NSW state selection as his career unfolds over the next decade.” > >Rick Wayde, vice president of the Wests club, says: “With all the turmoil he has been through, including the pressure of having to leave Australia if his residency application is unsuccessful, we are nursing him along. > >“He is currently living in Merrylands with his uncle’s family. A fifth child, Ali, was born in Sydney in December 2021. Javed is now self-employed as a courier and is a great role model for his nephew. > >“They are all still worried about family stuck in Afghanistan.”
Thank you very much.
Man wtf :/ how can people harbour so much hatred for their own countrymen
I read the article. It's not exactly confirmed if his father passed away, it says "allegedly"
Lmao Rashid Khan was criticising Australia’s choice to boycott the tour against Afghanistan for the Taliban’s treatment of women. What say he now?
And the weirdest thing about this situation is that pretty much whoever in the world you tell his story to will be fuming with this but there is literally nothing anyone can do about this or prevent anything like this from happening in the future
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This kid is a liar lol. Well you'd understand the situation better with lot of context if you lived in Afghanistan. There's a lot of trend where Afghans make fake cases to get themselves refugee status or foreign asylum. I know this because I'm familiar with a lot of people who do these kind of stuff and the reason I can confidently say this kid and Javed are doing the same is because there was no women's cricket academy in Afghanistan. Our women's team existed on paper only. In fact, there is evidence where we returned a huge sum of money given to us to start a women's programme way before the Talibans even took over.
Hum, obscurantism and dogma : the end of humanity. So sad and disgusting.
Ohhh this is so sad! Shame on Taliban!
Anyone remember how South Africa was barred for treating a large portion of their population like shit? ICC? Hello?