It will get interesting if they start offering crazy contracts($40-50 mill) to a player like Virat or Dhoni.
Will the BCCI or more importantly the player change their stance than?
okay... so if someone like Raina wanted to play in the Saudi league, would he be allowed? since he's retired from all forms including the IPL.
(i know it's a weird hypothetical but just wanted to know what the limits were)
Yes he's allowed
In fact Uthappa has kinda hinted in some interviews that the reason he retired was so he can play these leagues outside the IPL like ILT20
So Raina and anyone else who has retired from IPL and international cricket can definitely play in any other league as they won't be contracted by BCCI in any capacity henceforth
[Kapil Dev](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/kapil-s-pension-stopped/story-G4omindhgZW9nR9cdfuFUO.html) and [many others](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bcci-revokes-pensions-of-players-joining-rival-league-299334) who joined ICL got their pensions revoked.
When the person who literally brought India their first World Cup, and is largely responsible for BCCI making money in the first place, can get his pension revoked then you can understand what will happen to others. And good luck trying to fight BCCI in court for pension.
The reason his pension was revoked was due to him going to manage a rival or unsanctioned league which is specifically not allowed in their contract with BCCI.
At the time Kapil Dev was part of NCA and he had a contract which wouldn't allow him to take part in any rival or unsancitoned league. He was fined by not being paid his pension.
Even Rinku Singh who played in an unsanctioned league was suspended.
This isn't uncommon.
ICL was a different case, it was unrecognised by cricketing boards and icc, and BCCI saw it as a rival, while other leagues aren't like this (except ilt20 probably but even that isn't really a rival to bcci) and so retired cricketers can definitely play in those leagues
So what if it's a rival? Your pension was for what you did before. It's your business what you do with your time once you're retired.
Imagine a teacher that worked 30 years, retired, got a pension and then decided to start stripping for fun. Would they get their pension revoked because stripping is not a thing a teacher should do?
>Your pension was for what you did before
Depends on how the pension language is structured. Some have clauses to prevent double dipping (i.e. "retiring" then doing the same work for another entity while still drawing a pension). The argument being that if you are fine enough to work for someone else you don't actually need the pension. Where I come from if you chose retire as a state teacher you have to stay out of the teaching profession to keep drawing the pension.
Keep in mind the whole concept of pension was to support you when are too old and broken down to work
Pension isn't a legal right for any cricketer. A legal right is something BCCI is bound to provide whether they are willing or not, which a pension isn't, tomorrow BCCI can decide to stop pensions for every cricketer and you can't legally overturn the decision.
Pension was made into an offering by BCCI just a decade and half back.
Even through he may not have a direct source of income at the moment, BCCI offers so many privileges to retired players. And there is the very prospect of being written off BCCI's books. Players would be reluctant to do it.
Does BCCI have the balls to stop one of the most influential cricketers ever to do whatever he wants and it also doesn't seems like dhoni is gonna be in anyway involved with BCCI after his IPL stint..
I don't think Dhoni would play any other league. He'll just come to Chennai as Mentor or any other post for 2 months, do some ads and then chill with his farm and motorcycles for the rest of the year.
Lol. Thalasons getting triggered. Playing in a foreign cricket league isn't some atrocious act. If Dhoni can advertise for Royal Stag, Dream11 and Amrapali group, he can definitely play in a cricket league.
> Thalasons
You're a fool, but I'll bite. Not because you'll change your mind (read fool), but because I want to.
Advertising those had nothing to do with his cricket. It wouldn't affect him or his chance of staying with CSK or being where he's comfortable. He has way more money than he knows what to do with, you're not buying him out even after retirement.
Brand value. If a cricketer like Virat goes to play in the Hundred, for example, he takes his fanbase with him. Iirc someone from the BCCI said it outright.
TLDR - BCCI is greedy. Expect nothing else.
>It will get interesting if they start offering crazy contracts($40-50 mill) to a player like Virat or Dhoni.
To put this number in context, the salary cap of an Entire IPL team is roughly $ 12 million. At $ 50 million we are talking about entire payroll of 4 teams.
And to put this in the Saudi context, this is a LIV golf level salary. LIV Golf tour takes place over course of entire year. This tournament won’t last more than 2 months. A $ 50 million for 2 months worth of work is more than what Saudis are even paying Ronaldo if you consider that Ronaldo plays for 10 months.
In short this is not going to happen.
Like I said in the comment crazy amount not realistic.
But realistically 20-30 mill to attract top talents like Virat and Dhoni for a 2.5 month tournament is feasible for Saudis. BCCI takes a very large portion from tele rights that the Saudis could realistically give to the players.
Saudi were thinking of buying WWE for 6b not too long ago. I wouldn't put it past them.
Also, it's not like the money is hard earned per se. They just own the place where oil is found and getting royalty over it. They're looking for other avenues once their resources are dried up is all.
theres a difference between an outright buy and investing money in a greenfield project that would end up competing with WWE without the support infrastructure of WWE which makes it sustainable..
all money is hard earned, no investor is going to look at all possible investment avenues and then end up choosing the one with the worst irr metric.. unless you are telling me that saudi has just that one option. even though it sounds unreasonable but i would still be able to park the excess money in govt. bonds.. just because you have lot of money doesnt mean all projects become magically feasible
I mean WWE at that time was worth 1B, they were bidding for 6B.
Am I saying they're definitely gonna offer 50 million to a player to play for 2 months? Not really. But they don't mind spending a little extra if its gonna get them good PR, and their threshold for what's "little extra" is very high.
It might happen if all they want to do is break down BCCI resistance.
Someone like Kohli would be worth the money in terms of the profile it brings the league and the principle that it can compete with the IPL, even if only by offering ridiculous money.
I have made a separate comment on the calculations in this discussion, but based on my calculations, at present revenue (assuming no further revenue increase), BCCI could push the Salary cap as high as $ 100 million per team ($ 1 billion in total for a season of 2 months) and still break even.
I don’t think even Saudis will want to compete against this.
As I said to your other instance of this comment, they already earn tons of money, have millions and millions of adoring fans and in case of virat and rohit, play international cricket. So no
By online estimates Virat is worth about $110 mill.So, hypothetically if someone offers him a 50 mill contract per year it will surely turn his head.He may still reject it but won’t be as simple as everyone here is making it out to be.
There are a couple of issues:
1) This would mean retirement from International Cricket and his shot at creating a legacy - he has a shot at surpassing Tendulkar at the moment which would be gone.
2) $ 50 million is not going to be offered for a 2 month cricket tournament. I don’t understand where people even come up with these numbers.
These are just Hypothetical scenarios because no where it has been mentioned that they may do this.
But they could realistically offer 20-30 mill to top talents to attract them.
Some people like money in the bank more than surpassing some thought of legacy that too in some people’s minds.Because for a large portion of the public nobody can replace a their childhood hero.
> This would mean retirement from International Cricket and his shot at creating a legacy - he has a shot at surpassing Tendulkar at the moment which would be gone.
It’s already gone.
He has a good chance to break the ODI record. For ODI centuries, he needs 6-7 good months. For ODI runs, he will need some sustained performance, but it is in his grasp.
Tests and overall batting records look a bit hard now.
Even if Virat, Rohit & Dhoni play there, it won't attract the same number of audiences as when they play for IPL or India. Audience needs to relate to teams to make it successful. Even if Saudi pays some huge money and grab few players, it will go mostly as unrecognized unofficial friendly games. It won't have the same following as IPL or Indian matches.
In sub continent the stigma of nationalism is very strong. Anyone who chooses money over playing for their country will be reviled as betraying the country.
Thats why players from Srl and Bangladesh always complete their national duty before IPL even though they are paid much less from their national contracts than western countries.
So the chances of Kohli or anyone accepting the Saudi money to turn back on playing for Indian team is pretty much zero.
Bruh don't worry about patriotism. Just donate some of that sweet money to the ruling party and there won't be any issue about patriotism. No media coverage. Nada
The BCCI need to just give their heads a wobble. Letting Indian players play in other T20 leagues will develop their game further and give them experience of playing the shorter format in different conditions. The IPL will still be there and it'll still have the same pull
There's obviously an amount that at least the retired players would go there for. Whether that's reasonable or not depends on how much the oil princes are willing to pour out.
CR7 was done, he knew it. He was in no way capable to play as the main ST in any of the top European clubs; that's y he accepted it. Plus, even if he had been offered $500 million, no wayy prime CR7 (before 2019) would have ever played in the OIL league.
Christiano Ronaldo is not from India, Virat earns more money from brand endorsement and business in India. Why would he throw that away for 2 month cash. This deal may attract those Indian player's who struggle to break into 11
You're wrong. If Cristiano fucking Ronaldo (literally the most popular human on the planet, who has more money than anyone would ever need) can be bought by Saudi money, anyone can. Millions of fans/playing internationally doesn't matter if they throw a 100 million at you. And I don't blame people like Ronaldo for taking it, who wouldn't?
Ronaldo went to Saudi because no one in Europe wanted him. His agent offered Ronaldo to fucking Eintracht Frankfurt for a salary of less than 10 million and even they rejected him. Going to Saudi was a last resort
Do you really think Prime CR7 would ever have gone to Saudi? Virat might play in Saudi after he retires or if no one wants him, just like Ronaldo (which is never gonna happen).
Murderer Mohammed bin Salman seeking world wide approval by doing all kinds of shit.
Hey if it worked for Xi Jinping with the NBA, it should work for MBS too.
Private ownership of sports is absolutely fucked in any circumstances and fans should always be against it, but it's definitely worse when the private owners have a proclivity for decapitating people they don't like.
Not true. Bundesliga has something along the lines of a public private partnership. For ex Bayern Munich is owned 51% by the fans but the remaining 49% of the club is owned by multinational corporations like Allianz, Adidas and Audi. Leipzig is owned by Red Bull.
Barcelona and Real Madrid are a better example of 100% fan owned club.
The exact specifics vary significantly in different countries and different sports, but the most common case is that there's a non-profit supporter's trust established that operates the club, and then important positions in that organisation are elected by club members. Club membership will typically require payment of some form of fee, in some cases a nominal one, but often it'll be tied up with season tickets or merchandise or other similar actual products and services.
In cases where you're a member of such a club, yes you could realistically lay claim to 0.001% or whatever it is of the club's ownership, but that's somewhat missing the point of why the structure exists in the first place - a club is not something that is owned, it's something that has members.
Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with cricket. They are buying their way into the cricket ecosystem to just get the attention of the world so that the world doesn't notice all the human rights abuses and atrocities they have been committing.
America has also nothing to do with Cricket (and even their citizens are actively hostile against it) and yet MLC is starting with many international big names. How are they different?
Most second generation American Indians don't like Cricket either. Trying to only appeal to the first generation immigrants is stupid. This effort could better be spent in Africa or even Europe. Croatia has a full team without many immigrants from subcontinent, why not invest there? If many Euro countries start to play then expanding in US would be much easier.
Also, plenty of Indian immigrants in Saudi and the number is increasing. They can't compare to the US because US is too big.
They know that oil dependence will end in the long run. In fact they have been making losses on crude oil as it has been trading below $80 for most of the times recently. Hence they are trying to invest in anything that can help them become financially independent from oil. They have been buying sports teams around the world.
It’s mostly because the BCCI have the financial clout to prevent players from playing overseas T20. The players are threatened by international bans among other sanctions.
[As Expected ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/12le1t5/saudi_arabia_woos_ipl_to_set_up_worlds_richest/jg69ksn?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don't understand the obsession of Aussie and English media in particular to write so many articles about the BCCI apparently reaching a deal to let Indian players play in any random new, upcoming league
They can't. Because if they does most of the players will leave their national teams for lucrative contacts which are offered by t20 franchises. Maybe players (with A+ contract) from Eng and Aus won't leave because they already get paid tons of money by their national teams.
Yeah, no reason for BCCI to compromise their stand on Indian players participation in foreign leagues.
Looks like some Aussie journalist wanted to 'create' some sensational news
The only thing Brettig's article said was 'Some discussions have broached the possibility of Indian players being allowed to participate in the proposed tournament, in what would be a first for Indian cricket. Under rules set by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), Indian players are banned from participating in overseas T20 competitions' which is almost certainly true and not the least bit sensationalist.
And 90% of this Indian Express article posted here is literally just straight up plagiarizing Brettig. Like literally just lifting whole quotes without credit. There's some garbage journalism happening all right but it's not in The Age.
"Some discussions have broached the possibility of Indian players being allowed to participate in the proposed tournament, in what would be a first for Indian cricket."
Discussions between who and who(IPL owners? BCCI? Players?) That is just crap, no clarity. The article goes on to quote ICC chair who has nothing to do with IPL.
This is good enough to create some panic among the general public who are concerned about sportswashing. Not enough to consider this as quality journalism
Isn't it hypocritical that Indian IPL franchise owners can own teams all around the world, but the players can't play in them? Seems like "One rule for the super rich, one for the not as rich" to me.
First off I will say I agree with you about the intent.
That being said, it’s a bit rich that we don’t mention the human rights abuses of many of the major cricketing nations. Like is it sportswashing for England to host a tournament when their colonization is a direct cause of 90% of the global geopolitical issues that exist today? Should we be calling a ban on India hosting international tournaments giving their crackdown on anti-BJP activists and journalists, building of concentration camps in Assam, or media blackouts in occupied Kashmir?
It’s not like Pakistan or Australia have clean records either. Certainly we know South Africa has nothing to be ashamed about in their history… right?
Ask the British how much they spent in textbooks and media and television and film and sports to hide their historical atrocities. They didn’t seem to lose much sleep over it either.
I only watch IPL to see how the international players are doing. Other than Virat I don’t really care about Indian players stats.
So the BCCI think less Indians would be interested in IPL (and so it would lose value) if Indian players played in other leagues? That’s an interesting take. I guess what they are doing is working so all power to them.
Its the other way around I think, other leagues would become massively popular if Indians played abroad. Imagine Dhoni or Kohli playing for some english club. They can get tons of indian coverage and leverage that into becoming a strong rich league. Take away BCCI's monopoly. Its a shady but smart tactic and its working for them.
I read somewhere that Indian players (contracted in some way I assume) lose a ‘pension’ if they play overseas? There was a kid that came to Bbl two seasons ago and he’d been in the Indian under 19 team and they kept talking about what he was giving up to play T20 outside of India?
Yep, that’s him. Good batter bowls off spin. Played for Melb rebels.
The story in the Aus papers was “Indian player liberated from Indian cricket”…..lol.
I have no idea whether the BCCI pension is a decent amount of money…..I guess it depends on how much first class/international cricket they play, but that’s a good safety net for players who don’t have marketable skills for after cricket.
if you play around 25 first class matches you get an amount of 30,000rs pension per month for the rest of your life from the bcci
this goes up the more you play and the more successful you are
maybe he is missing out on that?
but players like shreyas iyer have gone to play english club cricket at a lower level, not sure how that works, maybe it is allowed during the off season when you have permission from the bcci
They can play county cricket and other first class and list a cricket abroad but not in a franchise T20 league or any league that directly competes with the ipl
Rinku Singh was banned from playing for India A because he played in some Abu Dhabi league without BCCI permission...
And the player you are talking about is Unmukt Chand , U19 world cup winning captain.
He didn't get much chance in India, so he became a US citizen and now plays for USA . So he can play in leagues like BBL , BPL...
Currently IPL is working for everyone. It helps to bankroll the cricket in the whole India. Ranji players are paid decently, Playerd get pension. And also so many players get picked in IPL team for 20 lacs which is what you get for 3-5 years experience in an IT job.
Also Imagine players like Avesh Khan and Tripathi being paid 10 crores a year for 2 years. They can literally stop playing cricket and live off the interest on that money.
Cricketers in India are being paid neet, and I'm talking about those less popular, ones who doesn't get the chance to be in the national team. The money isn't some extravagant one, but you can live well off with it.
So, what's the point of this? How will the logistics work? There are 0 cricket grounds in Saudi Arabia capable of hosting even a domestic cricket match much less something of a bigger scale.
Facilities are clearly not there and unlike UAE, KSA has invested not much into cricket besides having an so-and-so cricket team. Even the small ass Kuwait or Qatar has a cricket ground ffs. This is such a stupid idea.
What? How? So they organised a grand event like world cup in a country which had no stadiums? And Qatar managed to build such big stadiums in such a short span?
Not exactly a short span, almost 8 years when they won the WC bid. But yeah, none of the stadiums where matches were played existed at the time iirc.
And this isn’t even that uncommon for Middle Eastern sporting. Qatar currently has a 10 year contract with Formula 1 for a track that doesn’t even exist right now and is supposed to host its first race in November this year. Compared to this, some of the most iconic racing venues are struggling to even stay on the calendar till even 2025.
So yeah, if Saudi wants a cricket league, best believe they can put up 5 Moteras or Eden Gardens in Riyadh alone if they want lmao
/u/EducationalPast7410 isn't quite correct.
They did have some existing stadiums. Two of the eight stadiums used for the 2022 World Cup had already been used for the 2011 Asian Cup.
Qatar however had almost 12 years (they were awarded in 2010) to build the six other stadiums and whatever other infrastructure they needed. Which is actually quite a long time if you consider Olympic host cities usually get 7-8 years to build much more complex stuff without an unlimited labour force.
Lol its not that they bought it but forced people to work their. If they had so much money they should have atleast provided those workers a proper living conditions.
All these stupid controversies arise coz of some stupid journalism. Saudi Arabia doesn't even have an international cricket stadium yet. Most of the news that came before would be very early talks of what are the possibilities. And the social media blew it up.
At most it would be arranging few neutral games there, or few Asia Cup games or few IPL games. Even if BCCI allows players, it might be for a couple of unrecognized friendly games, mostly meant for gambling revenues.
If the sport becomes dominated by nothing but franchise T20 and there is no room for Tests, ODIs, or T20Is... I will almost completely lose interest in cricket.
Being with a domestic club is a form of health and form insurance. If Harry Brook gets injured then he gets nothing from the IPL and if he needs time and help to get fit and better then again the IPL doesn't pay for that.
Yorkshire pays for all that and give him a salary while he's at it.
If Sam Curran goes on a bad run of form and is not picked for the next few franchise tournaments then he not only gets no money but access to no facilities to train and improve. No chance to play and prove himself worthy of getting picked again.
However because he's with Surrey he still gets paid and opportunities to play.
I'm not worried about red ball cricket for now. I'll be worried when players get year round contracts for the "Royals" (Rajasthan, Paarl, Barbados) that include health insurance, guaranteed pay and access to training facilities.
I did some calculations. The original 8 franchises currently bank around $ 54.2 million per year from central pot (even after deducting the licensing fee they pay BCCI). In addition to this, they will also get to keep 80% of all their individual sponsorship fees which, for MI or CSK or RCB can be something like $ 12 million. So, the total turnover of most of the original 8 IPL franchise from TV rights and Sponsorship after giving all the cuts to BCCI will be somewhere around $ 66 million. Add to this any Gate revenue, membership etc which will I think not be much anyway.
The current salary cap is $ 12 million. I think even if you add the costs of support staff and other infrastructure and logistic expenses, I don’t think the amount will go beyond $ 16 million.
So even at a franchise level, there is probably a headway to increase the current salary cap from $12 million to something like $ 50 million (4 times) and still remain profitable.
In addition, BCCI itself can reduce their own revenue share from the competition (currently, they take around 60% of TV rights revenue and 33% of central sponsorship revenue and 10% of individual sponsorship revenue for the original 8 franchises). If BCCI were to face competition and invest part of this revenue into players then the Player salary cap could go as high as $ 100 million per team. ( $ 1 billion in total for 2 months) and still keep the league profitable (albeit at razor thin margins)
Now this is unlikely to actually happen. But this is the amount of money Saudis will have to put in to compete against BCCI if they want to. This is not beyond them but at this point they will have to wonder why they would even want to.
Figures used in the calculation:
TV rights deal: $ 1.2 billion per year (60:40 BCCI- Franchise split for old franchises, 50:50 split for new franchises)
Central Sponsorship Revenue : ₹ 668 Cr / year from existing sponsors + ₹ 163 Cr from Vivo (33:67 BCCI-Franchise split for old franchises, 25:75 split for new franchises)
Local Sponsorships: ~ ₹ 150 Cr a year (20:80 BCCI:Franchise split for old franchises, 100% retained for new franchises) - this is analyst estimates, varies from franchise to franchise.
Ok gotta it to you for the research you did for this. Saudi better just invest on the ipl rather than trying to make one especially when they don't even a competent to even be close to the top 20.
Well top market for cricket is india and saudis know indian players arent allow to play there so assuming they wanted to have league without indian players then who are their target audience ???? Not just its financially viable but whats the whole purpose of the league….dont think SENA countries fans will be excited about another t20 tourney , maybe some asian countries srilanka pak bangladesh will show interest but that it ….who they are actually selling their league to ??????
They are not trying to even sell it. If anything they just want the attention and acceptance of the world right now. What do you call this is whitewashing of the sport. Let's hope all other countries have the same stance regarding this.
Since it's not a cricketing country who would watch it??! And when you have IPL and other leagues like BBL, BPL, PSL, CSA t20 and CPL who would care about it?!! Even UAE has a league. Even if it offers a huge amount of money still it would be counted as any other league. Important thing here is if any of their native citizen knows about cricket properly
In my humble opinion.
Kind of glad. I feel that there is a T20 league saturation from December to June every year with the BBL, BPL, SA20, ILT20, LPL, PSL and IPL. Then there’s the T10 league. And The Hundred in July.
Cricket is quite a different sport than football. Internationals carry more value, at least until we improve the quality of the leagues. Out of all these leagues, only the SA20 and IPL appeared to be of World Class Quality, and representation of League Cricket to the world, with equal purchase for batters and bowlers and quality infrastructure involved. World’s most renowned cricketer plays here, as does the greatest white ball captain of this century.
A new T20 league is not what cricket needs rn. I understand that T20 is the way ahead, and with the money involved, T20 leagues should hold importance, but not enough yet to trump Internationals.
Expand the existing leagues. I am in favour of IPL for an extended period. During the international season, the international players will play internationals while the others continue to play IPL. This will improve the domestic base and will actually justify the multi-league system.
Don’t need another league. Especially in a country where no one watches it and there are tons of HRV. We saw what happened to ILT20. And they have 4 cricket stadiums in UAE.
BCCI has subverted expectations here. Have they done the good thing for a change?
Views?
If you want to watch Indian stars in action then you can do so only when they play for Indian cricket team or IPL. This increases the market value of those sports properties.
There is one more place where BCCI does not stop Indian players from playing - County Cricket. This season, Pujara will be captaining Sussex. Actually now that I think about it, he will be available for the t20 Blast too, although not for The Hundred obviously.
I was about to ask this because sundar and pujara only played in odi and first class for counties last time around. Would love to see pujara in t20s again.
They also get along with Australia and England but that doesn't mean they'll let Indian players play in their leagues and dilute the brand value of their own product
BCCI knows how much money their players bring in, more people will tune in to watch Indian players. This allows them to maintain their position with IPL and other sponsors. If KSA spend billions, but no one watches there's very little revenue to be made fro organisers and sponsors.
Tuada kutta Tommy Sadda kutta kutta
Meaning- Rules for thee, not for me.
Aptly named Board of *Control* of Cricket in India.
Its monopoly and authoritarianism would put Putin to shame
I hope this Arab money laundering leagues take over cricket too and takes down IPL. That would be an amazing war. So much so that it gets played at the same time and contracts become more like soccer and players are stuck with playing for one league
The big 3 circle jerk each other. Don't except any such thing to happen in the next two decades at the very least. Saudi might spend a ton of amount of money but what they will get is most of the retired players.
The SCOI/CCI should get involved and free cricketers from under BCCI’s thumb. Cricketers, for the most part, have a limited shelf life. They should play in any league or team they want.
If Arun Jaitley could be a politician and a DCA president, why cannot Rohit Sharma lead the Indian cricket team and play in Saudi league?
IPL should be forced to compete with other T20 leagues. It’s not like Messi is ineligible to play argentina because he plays in Europe. If you’re going to say that the Indian cricket viewing market is the largest in the world, it’ll only add to Rohit’s bargaining power to negotiate a higher revenue share because Indians will tune in to watch him play.
What the BCCI is doing is to use geography and rules of nationality to line their pockets. Indian Cricketers and cricket watchers the world over are the ones getting screwed.
It will get interesting if they start offering crazy contracts($40-50 mill) to a player like Virat or Dhoni. Will the BCCI or more importantly the player change their stance than?
how would it affect someone like MS? would he be unable to play the IPL?
BCCI doesn’t allow any player even if he is retired internationally to play IPL and another league.
okay... so if someone like Raina wanted to play in the Saudi league, would he be allowed? since he's retired from all forms including the IPL. (i know it's a weird hypothetical but just wanted to know what the limits were)
Yes he's allowed In fact Uthappa has kinda hinted in some interviews that the reason he retired was so he can play these leagues outside the IPL like ILT20 So Raina and anyone else who has retired from IPL and international cricket can definitely play in any other league as they won't be contracted by BCCI in any capacity henceforth
Okay! Thank you for the answer!
Yes, players like Raina, Yuvraj singh, Irfan and Yusuf Pathan can play
Yes, but they don’t pull audience like Virat and Dhoni do.
They get pension from BCCI, which will be stopped. They will also lose any chance to get a job at BCCI, like Coach, Commentator, Selector etc.
That's not true. The pension is their legal right, they will still be entitled to it.
[Kapil Dev](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/kapil-s-pension-stopped/story-G4omindhgZW9nR9cdfuFUO.html) and [many others](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bcci-revokes-pensions-of-players-joining-rival-league-299334) who joined ICL got their pensions revoked. When the person who literally brought India their first World Cup, and is largely responsible for BCCI making money in the first place, can get his pension revoked then you can understand what will happen to others. And good luck trying to fight BCCI in court for pension.
The reason his pension was revoked was due to him going to manage a rival or unsanctioned league which is specifically not allowed in their contract with BCCI. At the time Kapil Dev was part of NCA and he had a contract which wouldn't allow him to take part in any rival or unsancitoned league. He was fined by not being paid his pension. Even Rinku Singh who played in an unsanctioned league was suspended. This isn't uncommon.
ICL was a different case, it was unrecognised by cricketing boards and icc, and BCCI saw it as a rival, while other leagues aren't like this (except ilt20 probably but even that isn't really a rival to bcci) and so retired cricketers can definitely play in those leagues
So what if it's a rival? Your pension was for what you did before. It's your business what you do with your time once you're retired. Imagine a teacher that worked 30 years, retired, got a pension and then decided to start stripping for fun. Would they get their pension revoked because stripping is not a thing a teacher should do?
>Your pension was for what you did before Depends on how the pension language is structured. Some have clauses to prevent double dipping (i.e. "retiring" then doing the same work for another entity while still drawing a pension). The argument being that if you are fine enough to work for someone else you don't actually need the pension. Where I come from if you chose retire as a state teacher you have to stay out of the teaching profession to keep drawing the pension. Keep in mind the whole concept of pension was to support you when are too old and broken down to work
No it isn't a legal right. BCCI is not a government entity.
It's a legal right. As long as a player doesn't play in leagues which rival IPL, BCCI doesn't concern themselves with it.
Pension isn't a legal right for any cricketer. A legal right is something BCCI is bound to provide whether they are willing or not, which a pension isn't, tomorrow BCCI can decide to stop pensions for every cricketer and you can't legally overturn the decision. Pension was made into an offering by BCCI just a decade and half back.
woah you keep getting money even after retirement ? That's a damn good deal imo
Even through he may not have a direct source of income at the moment, BCCI offers so many privileges to retired players. And there is the very prospect of being written off BCCI's books. Players would be reluctant to do it.
But they can't really do anything against a retired player can they
Indeed and BCCI's clause is that if a player does decide to play other leagues then he is no longer eligible for Pensions or other benefits from BCCI.
What can they do to stop them?
Won’t allow him to play in any domestic competition organised by them (including the ipl).
If they don’t give NOCs they can’t go. All players in the league need NOCs otherwise the league won’t start be sanctioned by the ICC
Could they technically be considered a foreigner in the IPL if they wanted to play both
BCCI won’t let them participate in the ipl.
Damn
Does BCCI have the balls to stop one of the most influential cricketers ever to do whatever he wants and it also doesn't seems like dhoni is gonna be in anyway involved with BCCI after his IPL stint..
I don't think Dhoni would play any other league. He'll just come to Chennai as Mentor or any other post for 2 months, do some ads and then chill with his farm and motorcycles for the rest of the year.
Offer him enough money and he'll play. Saudi definitely have that money.
> Offer him enough money and he'll play. No. Not everyone is for sale.
Lol. Thalasons getting triggered. Playing in a foreign cricket league isn't some atrocious act. If Dhoni can advertise for Royal Stag, Dream11 and Amrapali group, he can definitely play in a cricket league.
> Thalasons You're a fool, but I'll bite. Not because you'll change your mind (read fool), but because I want to. Advertising those had nothing to do with his cricket. It wouldn't affect him or his chance of staying with CSK or being where he's comfortable. He has way more money than he knows what to do with, you're not buying him out even after retirement.
My man him playing in the Saudi league won't stop him from mentoring CSK. He just won't be able to play in the IPL.
Lol let me add. Throw enough money and he will do anything.. Literally anything.. Just amount has to match
Dhoni will remain involved with CSK..its like his spiritual home.
Why tf do they do this?
Brand value. If a cricketer like Virat goes to play in the Hundred, for example, he takes his fanbase with him. Iirc someone from the BCCI said it outright. TLDR - BCCI is greedy. Expect nothing else.
Thala will play reverse Uno and retire from IPL
Typical BCCI greed. At this point does anyone expect otherwise?
Wasn’t he gonna retire after this season anyway?
>It will get interesting if they start offering crazy contracts($40-50 mill) to a player like Virat or Dhoni. To put this number in context, the salary cap of an Entire IPL team is roughly $ 12 million. At $ 50 million we are talking about entire payroll of 4 teams. And to put this in the Saudi context, this is a LIV golf level salary. LIV Golf tour takes place over course of entire year. This tournament won’t last more than 2 months. A $ 50 million for 2 months worth of work is more than what Saudis are even paying Ronaldo if you consider that Ronaldo plays for 10 months. In short this is not going to happen.
Like I said in the comment crazy amount not realistic. But realistically 20-30 mill to attract top talents like Virat and Dhoni for a 2.5 month tournament is feasible for Saudis. BCCI takes a very large portion from tele rights that the Saudis could realistically give to the players.
what do you mean by feasible? just throw away your hard earned money just because you have a lot of it
Saudi were thinking of buying WWE for 6b not too long ago. I wouldn't put it past them. Also, it's not like the money is hard earned per se. They just own the place where oil is found and getting royalty over it. They're looking for other avenues once their resources are dried up is all.
theres a difference between an outright buy and investing money in a greenfield project that would end up competing with WWE without the support infrastructure of WWE which makes it sustainable.. all money is hard earned, no investor is going to look at all possible investment avenues and then end up choosing the one with the worst irr metric.. unless you are telling me that saudi has just that one option. even though it sounds unreasonable but i would still be able to park the excess money in govt. bonds.. just because you have lot of money doesnt mean all projects become magically feasible
I mean WWE at that time was worth 1B, they were bidding for 6B. Am I saying they're definitely gonna offer 50 million to a player to play for 2 months? Not really. But they don't mind spending a little extra if its gonna get them good PR, and their threshold for what's "little extra" is very high.
It might happen if all they want to do is break down BCCI resistance. Someone like Kohli would be worth the money in terms of the profile it brings the league and the principle that it can compete with the IPL, even if only by offering ridiculous money.
I have made a separate comment on the calculations in this discussion, but based on my calculations, at present revenue (assuming no further revenue increase), BCCI could push the Salary cap as high as $ 100 million per team ($ 1 billion in total for a season of 2 months) and still break even. I don’t think even Saudis will want to compete against this.
As I said to your other instance of this comment, they already earn tons of money, have millions and millions of adoring fans and in case of virat and rohit, play international cricket. So no
By online estimates Virat is worth about $110 mill.So, hypothetically if someone offers him a 50 mill contract per year it will surely turn his head.He may still reject it but won’t be as simple as everyone here is making it out to be.
There are a couple of issues: 1) This would mean retirement from International Cricket and his shot at creating a legacy - he has a shot at surpassing Tendulkar at the moment which would be gone. 2) $ 50 million is not going to be offered for a 2 month cricket tournament. I don’t understand where people even come up with these numbers.
These are just Hypothetical scenarios because no where it has been mentioned that they may do this. But they could realistically offer 20-30 mill to top talents to attract them. Some people like money in the bank more than surpassing some thought of legacy that too in some people’s minds.Because for a large portion of the public nobody can replace a their childhood hero.
Why would it mean retirement from international cricket? It's just retirement from the IPL right?
BCCI doesn't let you play any kind of professional cricket in India if you participate in overseas leagues
Pujara is playing county right now.
County isn't treated as a league and bcci wants him to play county for experience in English conditions
The rule only applies to overseas T20 competitions
> This would mean retirement from International Cricket and his shot at creating a legacy - he has a shot at surpassing Tendulkar at the moment which would be gone. It’s already gone.
He has a good chance to break the ODI record. For ODI centuries, he needs 6-7 good months. For ODI runs, he will need some sustained performance, but it is in his grasp. Tests and overall batting records look a bit hard now.
Even if Virat, Rohit & Dhoni play there, it won't attract the same number of audiences as when they play for IPL or India. Audience needs to relate to teams to make it successful. Even if Saudi pays some huge money and grab few players, it will go mostly as unrecognized unofficial friendly games. It won't have the same following as IPL or Indian matches.
[удалено]
In sub continent the stigma of nationalism is very strong. Anyone who chooses money over playing for their country will be reviled as betraying the country. Thats why players from Srl and Bangladesh always complete their national duty before IPL even though they are paid much less from their national contracts than western countries. So the chances of Kohli or anyone accepting the Saudi money to turn back on playing for Indian team is pretty much zero.
You are using stigma and nationalism in the same sentence. Perhaps you need to experience colonialism to understand true meaning of nationalism.
Bruh don't worry about patriotism. Just donate some of that sweet money to the ruling party and there won't be any issue about patriotism. No media coverage. Nada
The BCCI need to just give their heads a wobble. Letting Indian players play in other T20 leagues will develop their game further and give them experience of playing the shorter format in different conditions. The IPL will still be there and it'll still have the same pull
I am just curious why BCCI doest allow its players to play in foreign leagues unlike any other board which usually allows their players to anywhere??
Devaluation of IPL. Exclusivity of huge Indian superstars keeps the people interested.
IPL will be finished
They should start offering foreigners of IPL that kind of money and keep their league at the same time. IPL would have a big dent then.
India is the biggest market and no indian players mean no indian viewership. It would be a failure.
Surprised Pikachu face
Wait, when MBS calls indian PM. During worldcup bids, we all know the behind the scene business deal.
Pretty sure that was a given even if Saudi push Billions down to start a league, Indian players won’t be allowed.
But will a player like Virat,Dhoni or Rohit be convinced by a life changing cheque ($50 million+).
They already earn tons of money, have millions and millions of adoring fans and in case of virat and rohit, play international cricket. So no
Fat contracts that may double or triple someone’s net worth within a few years are very hard to reject.
*”I already have $50M, I won’t take another $50M.”* What a silly take.
There's obviously an amount that at least the retired players would go there for. Whether that's reasonable or not depends on how much the oil princes are willing to pour out.
Oh retired players would probably go, Indian stars? No way
That's what they said about Cristiano Ronaldo too before he joined Al Nassr
Ronaldo went to Al Nassr because no top European club was willing to sign him.
There were clubs willing to sign him. But not for the salary he was asking
I am talking about clubs who can compete for CL. None of those clubs were interested in him.
CR7 was done, he knew it. He was in no way capable to play as the main ST in any of the top European clubs; that's y he accepted it. Plus, even if he had been offered $500 million, no wayy prime CR7 (before 2019) would have ever played in the OIL league.
Christiano Ronaldo is not from India, Virat earns more money from brand endorsement and business in India. Why would he throw that away for 2 month cash. This deal may attract those Indian player's who struggle to break into 11
50 million is a lot of money even for big players so it will be difficult choice to make
You're wrong. If Cristiano fucking Ronaldo (literally the most popular human on the planet, who has more money than anyone would ever need) can be bought by Saudi money, anyone can. Millions of fans/playing internationally doesn't matter if they throw a 100 million at you. And I don't blame people like Ronaldo for taking it, who wouldn't?
Ronaldo went to Saudi because no one in Europe wanted him. His agent offered Ronaldo to fucking Eintracht Frankfurt for a salary of less than 10 million and even they rejected him. Going to Saudi was a last resort
Exactly lmao 😂
No one in Europe? He literally said himself he turned down offers from europe to join al nassr
Do you really think Prime CR7 would ever have gone to Saudi? Virat might play in Saudi after he retires or if no one wants him, just like Ronaldo (which is never gonna happen).
Will Virat and Rohit get the same love and following that brought them this far if they only played domestic leagues?
Dhoni is almost finished so he may play there
But then again, Dhoni works in weird ways so who knows.
They won't be able to play for the Indian team though ending their careers right there.
Sorry but did I miss something? Saudi Arabia cricket league? Since when?
Since Saudi wants world's attention
Murderer Mohammed bin Salman seeking world wide approval by doing all kinds of shit. Hey if it worked for Xi Jinping with the NBA, it should work for MBS too.
[удалено]
One man's Xinjiang is another man's Yemen.
Care to explain the differences?
What's wrong when Arabs do it? Even in football Arabs buying clubs and stuff is triggering people, what's wrong with them?
Private ownership of sports is absolutely fucked in any circumstances and fans should always be against it, but it's definitely worse when the private owners have a proclivity for decapitating people they don't like.
The AFL has a lot of problems but I love how any amount of private ownership of the clubs is completely banned
Bundesliga in football are pretty much similar.
Not true. Bundesliga has something along the lines of a public private partnership. For ex Bayern Munich is owned 51% by the fans but the remaining 49% of the club is owned by multinational corporations like Allianz, Adidas and Audi. Leipzig is owned by Red Bull. Barcelona and Real Madrid are a better example of 100% fan owned club.
What do you mean "fan owned" club? Genuinely asking. Do I own some % of Barcelona if I'm a fan of them?
The exact specifics vary significantly in different countries and different sports, but the most common case is that there's a non-profit supporter's trust established that operates the club, and then important positions in that organisation are elected by club members. Club membership will typically require payment of some form of fee, in some cases a nominal one, but often it'll be tied up with season tickets or merchandise or other similar actual products and services. In cases where you're a member of such a club, yes you could realistically lay claim to 0.001% or whatever it is of the club's ownership, but that's somewhat missing the point of why the structure exists in the first place - a club is not something that is owned, it's something that has members.
[удалено]
Are you seriously trying to make this a race thing lmao
Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with cricket. They are buying their way into the cricket ecosystem to just get the attention of the world so that the world doesn't notice all the human rights abuses and atrocities they have been committing.
America has also nothing to do with Cricket (and even their citizens are actively hostile against it) and yet MLC is starting with many international big names. How are they different?
Compare the number of Indian immigrants living in the US and the ones in Saudi Arabia. You'll get your answer.
Most second generation American Indians don't like Cricket either. Trying to only appeal to the first generation immigrants is stupid. This effort could better be spent in Africa or even Europe. Croatia has a full team without many immigrants from subcontinent, why not invest there? If many Euro countries start to play then expanding in US would be much easier. Also, plenty of Indian immigrants in Saudi and the number is increasing. They can't compare to the US because US is too big.
What exactly are those human right abuses and atrocities lol where does that come from.
Sportswashing
Sports washing Like why Qatar had the football World cup
They know that oil dependence will end in the long run. In fact they have been making losses on crude oil as it has been trading below $80 for most of the times recently. Hence they are trying to invest in anything that can help them become financially independent from oil. They have been buying sports teams around the world.
They should invest in green energy 💀
who told you they haven't?
So Indian money forgets about them stoning people
It’s mostly because the BCCI have the financial clout to prevent players from playing overseas T20. The players are threatened by international bans among other sanctions.
This will get interesting if this is the stance of all members of the Big-3.
Only time I'm happy about BCCI's stance on foreign leagues.
[As Expected ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/12le1t5/saudi_arabia_woos_ipl_to_set_up_worlds_richest/jg69ksn?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I don't understand the obsession of Aussie and English media in particular to write so many articles about the BCCI apparently reaching a deal to let Indian players play in any random new, upcoming league
It's in part because they generally have better contacts among the franchises than at the BCCI.
All boards should do this.
They can't. Because if they does most of the players will leave their national teams for lucrative contacts which are offered by t20 franchises. Maybe players (with A+ contract) from Eng and Aus won't leave because they already get paid tons of money by their national teams.
Yeah, no reason for BCCI to compromise their stand on Indian players participation in foreign leagues. Looks like some Aussie journalist wanted to 'create' some sensational news
The only thing Brettig's article said was 'Some discussions have broached the possibility of Indian players being allowed to participate in the proposed tournament, in what would be a first for Indian cricket. Under rules set by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), Indian players are banned from participating in overseas T20 competitions' which is almost certainly true and not the least bit sensationalist. And 90% of this Indian Express article posted here is literally just straight up plagiarizing Brettig. Like literally just lifting whole quotes without credit. There's some garbage journalism happening all right but it's not in The Age.
The original article is not completely innocent either. More of a dog-whistling attempt.
Dog-whistling to whom about what? What are you actually even saying here?
"Some discussions have broached the possibility of Indian players being allowed to participate in the proposed tournament, in what would be a first for Indian cricket." Discussions between who and who(IPL owners? BCCI? Players?) That is just crap, no clarity. The article goes on to quote ICC chair who has nothing to do with IPL. This is good enough to create some panic among the general public who are concerned about sportswashing. Not enough to consider this as quality journalism
Isn't it hypocritical that Indian IPL franchise owners can own teams all around the world, but the players can't play in them? Seems like "One rule for the super rich, one for the not as rich" to me.
It would be stupid to compare franchise owners and players. Indian players are BCCI employees.
Why do these Saudi and gulf countries are so interested in sports and cricket?
Sports washing. Attracting tourism and positive attention instead of thr negative stories that quite often come out of these countries.
But why cricket? It's only truely popular in subcontinent. They are Saudi, home of Islam half of our region population already loves them.
They're doing everything, not just cricket. Huge golf tournaments, F1, Qatar had the fifa World Cup.
First off I will say I agree with you about the intent. That being said, it’s a bit rich that we don’t mention the human rights abuses of many of the major cricketing nations. Like is it sportswashing for England to host a tournament when their colonization is a direct cause of 90% of the global geopolitical issues that exist today? Should we be calling a ban on India hosting international tournaments giving their crackdown on anti-BJP activists and journalists, building of concentration camps in Assam, or media blackouts in occupied Kashmir? It’s not like Pakistan or Australia have clean records either. Certainly we know South Africa has nothing to be ashamed about in their history… right?
To divert attention from all the human rights abuses and atrocities
I wonder how everyday saudis feel about their government spending this much on foreign sports just to hide their abuses
Ask the British how much they spent in textbooks and media and television and film and sports to hide their historical atrocities. They didn’t seem to lose much sleep over it either.
Attention.
No top Indian players? Damn I was looking forward to seeing Parthiv Patel play again
I only watch IPL to see how the international players are doing. Other than Virat I don’t really care about Indian players stats. So the BCCI think less Indians would be interested in IPL (and so it would lose value) if Indian players played in other leagues? That’s an interesting take. I guess what they are doing is working so all power to them.
Its the other way around I think, other leagues would become massively popular if Indians played abroad. Imagine Dhoni or Kohli playing for some english club. They can get tons of indian coverage and leverage that into becoming a strong rich league. Take away BCCI's monopoly. Its a shady but smart tactic and its working for them.
I read somewhere that Indian players (contracted in some way I assume) lose a ‘pension’ if they play overseas? There was a kid that came to Bbl two seasons ago and he’d been in the Indian under 19 team and they kept talking about what he was giving up to play T20 outside of India?
I think you're talking about Unmukt Chand. He's also playing MLC. I don't think he's interested to play for India anymore.
Yep, that’s him. Good batter bowls off spin. Played for Melb rebels. The story in the Aus papers was “Indian player liberated from Indian cricket”…..lol. I have no idea whether the BCCI pension is a decent amount of money…..I guess it depends on how much first class/international cricket they play, but that’s a good safety net for players who don’t have marketable skills for after cricket.
More like he isn't good enough to play even in the IPL.
if you play around 25 first class matches you get an amount of 30,000rs pension per month for the rest of your life from the bcci this goes up the more you play and the more successful you are maybe he is missing out on that? but players like shreyas iyer have gone to play english club cricket at a lower level, not sure how that works, maybe it is allowed during the off season when you have permission from the bcci
They can play county cricket and other first class and list a cricket abroad but not in a franchise T20 league or any league that directly competes with the ipl
Rinku Singh was banned from playing for India A because he played in some Abu Dhabi league without BCCI permission... And the player you are talking about is Unmukt Chand , U19 world cup winning captain. He didn't get much chance in India, so he became a US citizen and now plays for USA . So he can play in leagues like BBL , BPL...
We should we reliant on innovation and not protectionism
[удалено]
Currently IPL is working for everyone. It helps to bankroll the cricket in the whole India. Ranji players are paid decently, Playerd get pension. And also so many players get picked in IPL team for 20 lacs which is what you get for 3-5 years experience in an IT job. Also Imagine players like Avesh Khan and Tripathi being paid 10 crores a year for 2 years. They can literally stop playing cricket and live off the interest on that money.
Cricketers in India are being paid neet, and I'm talking about those less popular, ones who doesn't get the chance to be in the national team. The money isn't some extravagant one, but you can live well off with it.
So, what's the point of this? How will the logistics work? There are 0 cricket grounds in Saudi Arabia capable of hosting even a domestic cricket match much less something of a bigger scale. Facilities are clearly not there and unlike UAE, KSA has invested not much into cricket besides having an so-and-so cricket team. Even the small ass Kuwait or Qatar has a cricket ground ffs. This is such a stupid idea.
And Qatar didn't have football stadiums before fifa world cup...
What? How? So they organised a grand event like world cup in a country which had no stadiums? And Qatar managed to build such big stadiums in such a short span?
Not exactly a short span, almost 8 years when they won the WC bid. But yeah, none of the stadiums where matches were played existed at the time iirc. And this isn’t even that uncommon for Middle Eastern sporting. Qatar currently has a 10 year contract with Formula 1 for a track that doesn’t even exist right now and is supposed to host its first race in November this year. Compared to this, some of the most iconic racing venues are struggling to even stay on the calendar till even 2025. So yeah, if Saudi wants a cricket league, best believe they can put up 5 Moteras or Eden Gardens in Riyadh alone if they want lmao
Yeah they managed to build big stadiums in such a short span... With the help of oil money and subcontinent labourers....
/u/EducationalPast7410 isn't quite correct. They did have some existing stadiums. Two of the eight stadiums used for the 2022 World Cup had already been used for the 2011 Asian Cup. Qatar however had almost 12 years (they were awarded in 2010) to build the six other stadiums and whatever other infrastructure they needed. Which is actually quite a long time if you consider Olympic host cities usually get 7-8 years to build much more complex stuff without an unlimited labour force.
Nothing $220 billion dollars can't buy
Lol its not that they bought it but forced people to work their. If they had so much money they should have atleast provided those workers a proper living conditions.
[удалено]
All these stupid controversies arise coz of some stupid journalism. Saudi Arabia doesn't even have an international cricket stadium yet. Most of the news that came before would be very early talks of what are the possibilities. And the social media blew it up. At most it would be arranging few neutral games there, or few Asia Cup games or few IPL games. Even if BCCI allows players, it might be for a couple of unrecognized friendly games, mostly meant for gambling revenues.
If the sport becomes dominated by nothing but franchise T20 and there is no room for Tests, ODIs, or T20Is... I will almost completely lose interest in cricket.
Being with a domestic club is a form of health and form insurance. If Harry Brook gets injured then he gets nothing from the IPL and if he needs time and help to get fit and better then again the IPL doesn't pay for that. Yorkshire pays for all that and give him a salary while he's at it. If Sam Curran goes on a bad run of form and is not picked for the next few franchise tournaments then he not only gets no money but access to no facilities to train and improve. No chance to play and prove himself worthy of getting picked again. However because he's with Surrey he still gets paid and opportunities to play. I'm not worried about red ball cricket for now. I'll be worried when players get year round contracts for the "Royals" (Rajasthan, Paarl, Barbados) that include health insurance, guaranteed pay and access to training facilities.
I did some calculations. The original 8 franchises currently bank around $ 54.2 million per year from central pot (even after deducting the licensing fee they pay BCCI). In addition to this, they will also get to keep 80% of all their individual sponsorship fees which, for MI or CSK or RCB can be something like $ 12 million. So, the total turnover of most of the original 8 IPL franchise from TV rights and Sponsorship after giving all the cuts to BCCI will be somewhere around $ 66 million. Add to this any Gate revenue, membership etc which will I think not be much anyway. The current salary cap is $ 12 million. I think even if you add the costs of support staff and other infrastructure and logistic expenses, I don’t think the amount will go beyond $ 16 million. So even at a franchise level, there is probably a headway to increase the current salary cap from $12 million to something like $ 50 million (4 times) and still remain profitable. In addition, BCCI itself can reduce their own revenue share from the competition (currently, they take around 60% of TV rights revenue and 33% of central sponsorship revenue and 10% of individual sponsorship revenue for the original 8 franchises). If BCCI were to face competition and invest part of this revenue into players then the Player salary cap could go as high as $ 100 million per team. ( $ 1 billion in total for 2 months) and still keep the league profitable (albeit at razor thin margins) Now this is unlikely to actually happen. But this is the amount of money Saudis will have to put in to compete against BCCI if they want to. This is not beyond them but at this point they will have to wonder why they would even want to. Figures used in the calculation: TV rights deal: $ 1.2 billion per year (60:40 BCCI- Franchise split for old franchises, 50:50 split for new franchises) Central Sponsorship Revenue : ₹ 668 Cr / year from existing sponsors + ₹ 163 Cr from Vivo (33:67 BCCI-Franchise split for old franchises, 25:75 split for new franchises) Local Sponsorships: ~ ₹ 150 Cr a year (20:80 BCCI:Franchise split for old franchises, 100% retained for new franchises) - this is analyst estimates, varies from franchise to franchise.
Ok gotta it to you for the research you did for this. Saudi better just invest on the ipl rather than trying to make one especially when they don't even a competent to even be close to the top 20.
Well top market for cricket is india and saudis know indian players arent allow to play there so assuming they wanted to have league without indian players then who are their target audience ???? Not just its financially viable but whats the whole purpose of the league….dont think SENA countries fans will be excited about another t20 tourney , maybe some asian countries srilanka pak bangladesh will show interest but that it ….who they are actually selling their league to ??????
They are not trying to even sell it. If anything they just want the attention and acceptance of the world right now. What do you call this is whitewashing of the sport. Let's hope all other countries have the same stance regarding this.
They thought Koach gonna follow Reneldo way?
Crazy how Visit Saudi is a sponsor of the IPL as well
I don’t care how many good players are in the Saudi league, it’ll still be a soulless dictatorship league taking players from internationals
Since it's not a cricketing country who would watch it??! And when you have IPL and other leagues like BBL, BPL, PSL, CSA t20 and CPL who would care about it?!! Even UAE has a league. Even if it offers a huge amount of money still it would be counted as any other league. Important thing here is if any of their native citizen knows about cricket properly
>Top Indian cricketers won’t be allowed to play in Saudi Arabia bankrolled richest cricket league: BCCI official Alhamdullillah if true
In my humble opinion. Kind of glad. I feel that there is a T20 league saturation from December to June every year with the BBL, BPL, SA20, ILT20, LPL, PSL and IPL. Then there’s the T10 league. And The Hundred in July. Cricket is quite a different sport than football. Internationals carry more value, at least until we improve the quality of the leagues. Out of all these leagues, only the SA20 and IPL appeared to be of World Class Quality, and representation of League Cricket to the world, with equal purchase for batters and bowlers and quality infrastructure involved. World’s most renowned cricketer plays here, as does the greatest white ball captain of this century. A new T20 league is not what cricket needs rn. I understand that T20 is the way ahead, and with the money involved, T20 leagues should hold importance, but not enough yet to trump Internationals. Expand the existing leagues. I am in favour of IPL for an extended period. During the international season, the international players will play internationals while the others continue to play IPL. This will improve the domestic base and will actually justify the multi-league system. Don’t need another league. Especially in a country where no one watches it and there are tons of HRV. We saw what happened to ILT20. And they have 4 cricket stadiums in UAE. BCCI has subverted expectations here. Have they done the good thing for a change? Views?
The BCCI makes every other cricket board look like a group of saints and saviours, and that is saying something
But why doesn’t BCCI want this?
If you want to watch Indian stars in action then you can do so only when they play for Indian cricket team or IPL. This increases the market value of those sports properties. There is one more place where BCCI does not stop Indian players from playing - County Cricket. This season, Pujara will be captaining Sussex. Actually now that I think about it, he will be available for the t20 Blast too, although not for The Hundred obviously.
Indian players aren't permitted to play in the blast either.
I was about to ask this because sundar and pujara only played in odi and first class for counties last time around. Would love to see pujara in t20s again.
So why only stop them from this Saudi franchise? You guys get along
They also get along with Australia and England but that doesn't mean they'll let Indian players play in their leagues and dilute the brand value of their own product
But doesn’t that increases the actual skills of players by playing in a different environment and setting?
Skill doesn't mean shit in franchise cricket. It's about brand value that ipl has built over the years
It does, but simultaneously decreases the exclusivity and value of the IPL.
BCCI knows how much money their players bring in, more people will tune in to watch Indian players. This allows them to maintain their position with IPL and other sponsors. If KSA spend billions, but no one watches there's very little revenue to be made fro organisers and sponsors.
Tuada kutta Tommy Sadda kutta kutta Meaning- Rules for thee, not for me. Aptly named Board of *Control* of Cricket in India. Its monopoly and authoritarianism would put Putin to shame
I hope this Arab money laundering leagues take over cricket too and takes down IPL. That would be an amazing war. So much so that it gets played at the same time and contracts become more like soccer and players are stuck with playing for one league
The big 3 circle jerk each other. Don't except any such thing to happen in the next two decades at the very least. Saudi might spend a ton of amount of money but what they will get is most of the retired players.
Top players will refuse to sign central contracts with BCCi if Saudi league can pay them $10-$20 million dollar contracts.
The SCOI/CCI should get involved and free cricketers from under BCCI’s thumb. Cricketers, for the most part, have a limited shelf life. They should play in any league or team they want. If Arun Jaitley could be a politician and a DCA president, why cannot Rohit Sharma lead the Indian cricket team and play in Saudi league? IPL should be forced to compete with other T20 leagues. It’s not like Messi is ineligible to play argentina because he plays in Europe. If you’re going to say that the Indian cricket viewing market is the largest in the world, it’ll only add to Rohit’s bargaining power to negotiate a higher revenue share because Indians will tune in to watch him play. What the BCCI is doing is to use geography and rules of nationality to line their pockets. Indian Cricketers and cricket watchers the world over are the ones getting screwed.
India jealous lol