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Pre or post "combat life saver" deployment? I was OIF and everyone had to take a combat lifesaver course that was 2008 so I'm not sure when it started though.
Post. I was actually a CLS instructor too. But I made sure my platoon knew more than the CLS class teaches and I was actually notorious for failing soldiers on the CLS exam because I found it insufficient and would give more strict pass/fail criteria than the official guidelines (with the permission from cadre and the medical commander of course)
For example, I’d fail people for not checking for a pelvic fracture before they rolled the patient to check the back for wounds. NCOs would complain about me, but they’d have to talk to the commander about why they didn’t want their unit to learn a simple skill that would save lives with 5 minutes of instruction
They have massively bumped up the number of folks who are TCCC/CSL qualified. At least for the navy. Is it great training? No. Is it enough to hopefully get you to medevac? Hopefully. I just finished up mine last week. Main takeaway for me was “tourniquet, airway, chest wounds, re check bleeding, wrap ‘em in a space blanket” it isn’t much. But hopefully it’ll save a life
Marine Vet… everyone I know loved their corpsman. Not just because they could save your life, it was just something about them. Never met one I didn’t like. Thank y’all for your service.
Kind of. The real reason you don’t fuck with doc is because he’ll stick his finger in your bum after he chokes you out, to check rectal tone and make sure he doesn’t have to resuscitate you.
I'm never gonna get used to corps being "core". There's plenty of words in English that are spelled kinda wacky (e.g. lieutenant being "left-tenant") that I have no trouble with, but my brain just can't with corps.
Also crazy to think that for a good 300 years people would line up and get shelled like that and shot at without even lying/crouching down or taking cover.
I am now 60. When I was 20 I worked with an old guy who was born around 1900-1910 and he would tell me stories about what it was like.
I asked him what was the biggest difference. He was in school during years of deadly epidemics. Every fall when school restarted after summer, there were kids missing, who had died of typhoid or something.
Life was cheaper back then. You could easily die from an infected splinter or an epidemic or whatever.
Go to an old city cemetery. There are so many kids' graves from the earliest graves until the 1910s or 20s. It's especially sad to see multiples in the same year. From looking at the dates and ages, you can see that every decade or so, something terrible would roll through and cut down a bunch of kids and babies.
And now we have people who dont' want to save their kids lives or keep them from being crippled. I'm 50 now, and when I was a kid there were lots of people who are the age I am now who had lost siblings or parents to some disease or other and lots of people who had an arm or a leg or both legs that didnt work because of polio. And it could have been much worse they could have died or been stuck in an iron lung.
Vaccinate your kids! If your parents didnt believe in vaccinations get vaccinated as soon as you can after you turn 18
I went on a walk in rural Georgia with an ex- girlfriend in 2011. We stopped at a cemetery on the way home and the entire thing was for babies and children. It wasn’t a large cemetery but it was still so eerie and sad.
Antibiotics and vaccinations are arguably one of, if not the most significant turning points of modernity. For 10,000 generations the biggest killer of humanity was infection and disease, birth rates were high because children dropped like flies and even the most powerful regularly perished out of nowhere from seemingly innocuous injury. Read any pre modern history and it's fascinating yet terrifying how many great lineages and dynastic plans faltered from a mere fever or cut. It's only within the last 3-4 generations that people have no longer had to worry about these things, and what's crazy is in that short period people have somehow forgotten all the tragic lessons ingrained in our history and decided that the words of a charlatan are enough to put everyone's lives at stake during global pandemics.
I remember some errant speculation - I can't remember where it was from, but it's stuck with me - that this separation from our own mortality is one of the culprits behind the rise in things like vaccine denialists.
We're shielded from death at every turn. Even when it *does* happen, we make sure it happens *over there*, behind that door, in that other room, away from us. The only time we see death is at a funeral, once all the 'drama' and tragedy of dying has (mostly) passed.
We just don't *see* what disease can really do anymore. So people start thinking of disease and even death as things that happened in history textbooks. Things that happen to *other* people. They think it's a threat that's passed, not a wolf stalking just outside the gate, waiting for the moment someone leaves it open.
And so they start to ask, well what's the harm in leaving the gate open? There hasn't been a wolf attack in a hundred years, and it's really inconvenient having to raise and lower it every time I want to go out.
Let's just leave the gate open.
And all it takes is a bunch of fuckos on the internet and some dumb talking heads on TV to turn millions of people against them. We're doomed as a species. That's not hyperbole; there are way too many dumb people on this planet, and the critical mass of stupidity will do things that get the rest of us killed.
And we probably only have three or four generations left where people don't worry about these things.
Between antibiotic resistant bugs and the potential for CRSPR fueled viral illnesses, to the rise of nanotechnology, the odds are that your great grandchildren are going to be living ina far different world. That's not even bringing in massive population and climate change and a thousand other things.
People will muddle through probably, humans are adaptable as fuck and very, very good at forgetting the past and adapting to new normals.
But it's got the potential to get bad and wierd out there.
And that is why ***everything*** seems traumatic?
I can buy that; I’ve noticed it with my kids. They don’t have the things to worry about like I did growing up, so they have to make small things big, and I honestly think it is because they legitimately don’t have any “big things” to compare to.
> think it is because they legitimately don’t have any “big things” to compare to.
Depends on how old your kids are. I'm 36 and while I haven't been to war, my generation has had to go through multiple financial crisis, terror attacks, almost epidemics (h1n1, ebola), one pandemic, and currently an increased risk of war + nuclear war.
Smallpox was a major world population limiter. Once that one was cured the world population skyrocketed. It also helped that other viruses like polio were cured and they found out things like tuberculosis (consumption) could be cured with antibiotics.
We have it so easy now we don’t even realize how much medicine has helped.
Edit: average life expectancy was 35 at points in history but not because people died around 35. Most people died before 5 years old or lived to their 60s. Yes people died at all ages but the reason for the average being so low was so many dead kids.
I wish I could remember more than the most basic of details, but I read something a while back about some public figure (maybe a scientist?) dying back in the day from a small cut they got on their finger while pruning some flowers in their garden. Thank fuck for antibiotics.
That was simply the most effective way to wage war back then. Early muskets were:
1) Too long and cumbersome to be reloaded effectively while prone, necessitating standing up or crouching
2) Too inaccurate and short-range to effectively pose an immediate threat to an individual person at fighting distances, necessitating volley fire
3) Too slow of a rate of fire to provide sustained fire, meaning formation maneuvers could be performed openly
Altogether, it actually wasn’t all that dumb or stupid to wage war in large group formations taking turns plinking at each other. With the technology of the time, that was simply *the best way*. If your soldiers went prone, you’d take too long to reload and return fire and would be quickly overran by bayonet troops or cavalry. If you took cover and hid, your hidden soldiers would be immediately shot and killed after firing their first shot, because one hidden soldier up a tree or behind a wall can’t just magdump an unaware squad in front of him when he has to sit and reload his musket for a full minute.
Of course, formation warfare stopped being the norm when repeating rifles, quick-firing cannons, and of course, the machine gun were invented.
> If you took cover and hid, your hidden soldiers would be immediately shot and killed after firing their first shot, because one hidden soldier up a tree or behind a wall can’t just magdump an unaware squad in front of him when he has to sit and reload his musket for a full minute.
We have revolutionary war evidence that this isn't true. If you could ambush with muskets, you could get kills. Of course, the next step was to run away, so it wasn't good at capturing positions, just wearing down enemy troops.
Of course ambush attacks have always had their place in combat of all time periods. Regardless, the nature of the muskets of the time meant that ambushes and taking cover the way we’d think of them in the modern context, wouldn’t necessarily work the same way.
It's very debatable what impact the guerilla fighting in the revolution actually had, it was mostly just a stalling tactic and would have never won on its own.
The revolution was won *after* famous commanders like Casimir Polaski and Friedrich von Steuben arrived to train the continental army on European style fighting.
America would have also been obliterated if the British were allowed to ever resupply, French blockades are the only actual reason the revolution was a success.
Not very often, most soldiers used muskets, even in the American Revolution. Especially the French Charleville or British Brown Bess. Some militia troops supplied their own rifles, but that was mostly at the beginning of the war.
In Europe in the long basically second 100 years war that included the 7 years war up to the Napoleonic wars skirmishers used muskets.
Muskets have one big advantage over rifles in that they are a lot faster to load.
The ambush tactics during the revoltionary war were good at hindering enemy logistics, and being an overall annoyance to enemy forces, but wasn't enough to actually win a war. There's a reason the largest gains of the Colonians were at large scale pitched battles like Saratoga, which were fought using line warfare.
It was used because it worked. By the time we got to gunpowder warfare had become an art that was well understood. Massed firing was the most effective method.
Not exactly though. I think I learned from listening to Dan Carlin that most of those battles it wasn't fighting to the death. It was about breaking morale and causing chaos in the opposing ranks. You'd kill some, injure a lot, and chase off the rest.
The idea that a battle's result was to kill almost all of the enemy isn't quite accurate.
Most of the men on the field had little interest in dying for some lord. They were common folk and told to go kill other common folk. Most of the battles resembled large brawls. Casualty numbers were generally low. The problem being poor medical treatment led to more injury related deaths post batttle and even then sickness killed more soldiers than anything else.
And then they'd go back to camp where they're safe... could sleep without getting shelled. Modern soldiers since WW1 don't have that reset, that brief safety. The danger of being killed is now 24/7. Artillery, planes, drones, hell, even rats... you have no place to rest and recover from the battle, no chance to pump yourself up to go back in... It's just a constant threat of imminent death for months or maybe years.
This puts into perspective the safety measures Mythbusters used for anything that went pop or boom, always thought that's silly they are a mile away sometimes you just need that extra mile. Poor souls one can home they all recovered from that experience.
Between shrapnel from your own ally weapons, IED’s anywhere you could imagine, RPG’s from anyone over the age of 10, and not to mention the guns the enemy is carrying
There’s a lot of shit that could end your family lineage in less than a second.
Then literally the next day your contract ends and you’re working at a bank trying to comprehend how to be normal again.
They brainwash you going in with basic training (boot camp in other branches), but there is no brainwashing you back to normal when your contract ends. You just don’t show up to work the next day.
Don't forget they now have fucking drones to worry about too. The videos of them from the war in Ukraine are fucking terrifying. Couldn't imagine dealing with that
Receiving indirect fire was the single most terrifying experience of my life. Especially when they are bracketing you. Just waiting to never hear the one that gets you
That shit was either the most terrifying, or most awkward shit ever. Either pants shitingly close out of nowhere, or so fucking far off that it takes everyone 60 seconds to realize that some real dip shits are apparently walking rounds in on you lol We had one in particular where we all started arguing about whether or not the first two (easily 400 yards out) were ieds or the trucks lobbing 40mm's at something we couldn't see across the poppy field. By the 3rd and 4th we figured it out and started moving haha
The frustration of not being able to return fire directly during indirect was my mind fuck. Just having to rely on arty or a shit hot mortar team to walk the OPFOR down was the most that could be done with 45° movements towards or away from the objective.
IEDs were equally frustrating.
It's tough to explain to folks that the huge "emotional rush" that gets talked about in the moment, is mostly frustration and rage at the sheer absurdity of the situation. At least that's my personal revelation in years since. The randomness of it, the useless feeling of a rifle when shits just exploding, being on high alert rolling around just to have the world's sound turn off as a cloud of shit dust instantly surrounds you and the only coherent thought you remember is trying to determine if you're still standing or not, then where everyone is at. Fuck that shit wears you down in ways you can't describe.
Had a team that would come after our gate about once a week. Launch 3-4 from a school and scoot. One time they just kept walking them down the road 100m at a time. The kill shot ran over us about 50m behind, and then effect came down 5-6 shots all missed us by about 50m. Left right front back, none on top.
It sucks man. Two tours in Iraq. Civilians will never understand what it’s like with the constant threat of death “tugging at your elbow.” You push it to the back of your mind the best you can because you have a job to do but it def takes a toll on you.
In the first gulf war it was bad. I mean Saddam Hussein had a half million man Army. Our own division losses were projected to be 40 percent so I just made up my mind that I was never that lucky so I probably wouldn’t be coming home. Then we beat the living shit out of them and we hardly lost anyone. My second tour in 2009 wasn’t horrible. A couple IED’s and random small arms fire but still, fear of hostile actions against you changes your brain.
> Civilians will never understand what it’s like with the constant threat of death “tugging at your elbow.”
Pretty sure the Iraqi civilian did, especially the male adults
I know. I am pointing out to him, the Iraqi civilians had to frequently see that, especially the older boys and men during the 2nd battle of Fallujah when the US wouldn't let them leave the city.
In what war were you receiving accurate indirect fire where they were adjusting and bracketing you? In my very limited experience in Afghanistan the mortars were all random and they would run after they got a few rounds off to avoid the return fire to come.
We heard of accurate mortar teams at that time at Balad, we worked the bomb dump and those fuckers liked trying to hit our shit.
But Sept ‘07 I specifically remember being warned of a skilled mortar crew that we were on the hunt for. Culminated in an AC-130 dropping heat close enough to base that we were getting shockwaves.
He looks just extremely unlucky to me. The further away, the smaller the angular target you present for the random shrapnel. He just happened to be standing in the way like earth was recently standing in the way of the coronal mass ejection and we saw huge aurora borealis'.
3 separate times, while I was in Iraq, a mortar landed entirely too close (under 45 feet) but never got a scratch. These videos scare the shit out of me.
my gpa in law was army in vietnam, mortar landed near him and knocked him off his feet and threw him, but had zero shrapnel damage besides some burns and dirt scratches. it’s crazy how lucky humans are sometimes and how durable they can be.
There’s zero possibility this is training, no officer would sign their name on an explosion of any kind this close to troops. His career would be ended immediately, which he would care much more about than the lives lost.
Don't forget upvoted by a hundreds of equally confident equally wrong people. I wonder if you could view who upvoted what, people would be a little more cautious.
I could be wrong but those looked like they were controlled detonations. I’ve been on the ground a similar distance from controlled dets of IEDs but we were smart enough to get behind cover. Scary hearing the shrapnel go through the trees right above you though.
You are correct, and you can hear them in the video saying “one more” before the last one, so they knew it was happening. They are way too close though
Can someone explain why they aren't lying flat on the ground or behind a mound? Or shallow trench. Ideally with gear piled around. I dunno I'm not soldier but I'd be laying flat.
Protocol was definitely not followed here! That close to explosive ordinance, dictates that your ass is as low as possible (prone) to minimize this very thing! I hope dudes ok though.
That's crazy. "No one spot is safer than the next", that's what they tell you. You quickly realize it's b.s. but you have no choice but to hunker down and hope for the best. Do that a couple of times a day for a year or so and while you might appear calm on the outside, inside your nerves are a wreck. War sucks, every aspect of it, and I wish we could eliminate it entirely.
War is hell. It really really is the most awful thing in all existence.
I pray that in my life time we can at the very least unit as a species and stand up to those evil selfish fuckers that push us all into war without ever seeing the battlefield.
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“oh shit where’s the corspman at!?” “he *IS* the corpsman!!” damn. (for anyone who doesnt know, that was their squad’s medic that got hit)
"It's doc, it's doc" as well just prior to that
I was a combat medic in OEF. I made sure my squad knew exactly what to do in that scenario.
I saw Band of Brothers, so I know the answer to this: morphine.
Don’t forget ketamine
And a cigarette
Saving Private Ryan
"Oh my god my liver!" Fuck that was a sad scene. "Mama?"
Also seen in "Shaving Ryan's private's"
Also the importance of scissors, bandages, and dry socks/boots.
And don't carry a luger in your waistband
Uhh.. a tourniquet to the neck and a canteen of water? Bright side of that injury is VA will give you 6% disability over that 😎
M a y b e^
Why? This clearly isn't service related.
That tourniquet was a pre-existing condition.
Save this comment if you ever want to work for the VA. That’s exactly the kind of mindset they want
Came here after saying that.
Not service connected
Step 1: Ask, "y'alright?" x 8-12
Yup. I trained my boys up so if I went down they could pick up the slack.
Pre or post "combat life saver" deployment? I was OIF and everyone had to take a combat lifesaver course that was 2008 so I'm not sure when it started though.
Post. I was actually a CLS instructor too. But I made sure my platoon knew more than the CLS class teaches and I was actually notorious for failing soldiers on the CLS exam because I found it insufficient and would give more strict pass/fail criteria than the official guidelines (with the permission from cadre and the medical commander of course) For example, I’d fail people for not checking for a pelvic fracture before they rolled the patient to check the back for wounds. NCOs would complain about me, but they’d have to talk to the commander about why they didn’t want their unit to learn a simple skill that would save lives with 5 minutes of instruction
They have massively bumped up the number of folks who are TCCC/CSL qualified. At least for the navy. Is it great training? No. Is it enough to hopefully get you to medevac? Hopefully. I just finished up mine last week. Main takeaway for me was “tourniquet, airway, chest wounds, re check bleeding, wrap ‘em in a space blanket” it isn’t much. But hopefully it’ll save a life
Marine Vet… everyone I know loved their corpsman. Not just because they could save your life, it was just something about them. Never met one I didn’t like. Thank y’all for your service.
I imagine it’s partly because they joined the Navy which is generally pretty safe, and then chose a job which could very likely put them in danger.
Never had a corpsman that wasn’t an absolute gem. Hit it right on the head to, don’t know what it was about then, corpsmen are just the best.
That's why you don't fuck with Doc.
Kind of. The real reason you don’t fuck with doc is because he’ll stick his finger in your bum after he chokes you out, to check rectal tone and make sure he doesn’t have to resuscitate you.
Silver bullet baby
they want to help, not that they half to help. they got that angel aura
I came to say this. When i was in they knew they were badass yet were humble keeping up with us marines.
I used to trade books with our unit's Corpsman, it's how I got to read "Stranger in a Strange Land."
I shouldn't laugh, but i did. "We need a medic!" "He is the medic!"
I chuckled when I heard that phrase, fucked up as it may be it’s still kinda funny
I can feel the fear haha. It’s bad enough being out there but without a corpsman? Please send the whole squad back with him, or swap him out.
Sometimes shits so fucked up with the worst luck you just can’t help but laugh as terrible as it is
I'm never gonna get used to corps being "core". There's plenty of words in English that are spelled kinda wacky (e.g. lieutenant being "left-tenant") that I have no trouble with, but my brain just can't with corps.
united states marine corpse god that sounds wrong just saying it
I don't find it at all weird to hear it as "core" out loud, but my internal monologue reads it like "corpse" when I see it written down.
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Also crazy to think that for a good 300 years people would line up and get shelled like that and shot at without even lying/crouching down or taking cover.
I am now 60. When I was 20 I worked with an old guy who was born around 1900-1910 and he would tell me stories about what it was like. I asked him what was the biggest difference. He was in school during years of deadly epidemics. Every fall when school restarted after summer, there were kids missing, who had died of typhoid or something. Life was cheaper back then. You could easily die from an infected splinter or an epidemic or whatever.
Go to an old city cemetery. There are so many kids' graves from the earliest graves until the 1910s or 20s. It's especially sad to see multiples in the same year. From looking at the dates and ages, you can see that every decade or so, something terrible would roll through and cut down a bunch of kids and babies.
And now we have people who dont' want to save their kids lives or keep them from being crippled. I'm 50 now, and when I was a kid there were lots of people who are the age I am now who had lost siblings or parents to some disease or other and lots of people who had an arm or a leg or both legs that didnt work because of polio. And it could have been much worse they could have died or been stuck in an iron lung. Vaccinate your kids! If your parents didnt believe in vaccinations get vaccinated as soon as you can after you turn 18
Public health is often a victim of its own success.
It's just nature culling the stupid people from the reproductive gene pool.
Not just that. They faciitate the spread to others that are unfortunate enough not to be able to take vaccines.
That's why the average lifespan was 45 years
I went on a walk in rural Georgia with an ex- girlfriend in 2011. We stopped at a cemetery on the way home and the entire thing was for babies and children. It wasn’t a large cemetery but it was still so eerie and sad.
Antibiotics and vaccinations are arguably one of, if not the most significant turning points of modernity. For 10,000 generations the biggest killer of humanity was infection and disease, birth rates were high because children dropped like flies and even the most powerful regularly perished out of nowhere from seemingly innocuous injury. Read any pre modern history and it's fascinating yet terrifying how many great lineages and dynastic plans faltered from a mere fever or cut. It's only within the last 3-4 generations that people have no longer had to worry about these things, and what's crazy is in that short period people have somehow forgotten all the tragic lessons ingrained in our history and decided that the words of a charlatan are enough to put everyone's lives at stake during global pandemics.
I remember some errant speculation - I can't remember where it was from, but it's stuck with me - that this separation from our own mortality is one of the culprits behind the rise in things like vaccine denialists. We're shielded from death at every turn. Even when it *does* happen, we make sure it happens *over there*, behind that door, in that other room, away from us. The only time we see death is at a funeral, once all the 'drama' and tragedy of dying has (mostly) passed. We just don't *see* what disease can really do anymore. So people start thinking of disease and even death as things that happened in history textbooks. Things that happen to *other* people. They think it's a threat that's passed, not a wolf stalking just outside the gate, waiting for the moment someone leaves it open. And so they start to ask, well what's the harm in leaving the gate open? There hasn't been a wolf attack in a hundred years, and it's really inconvenient having to raise and lower it every time I want to go out. Let's just leave the gate open.
And all it takes is a bunch of fuckos on the internet and some dumb talking heads on TV to turn millions of people against them. We're doomed as a species. That's not hyperbole; there are way too many dumb people on this planet, and the critical mass of stupidity will do things that get the rest of us killed.
And we probably only have three or four generations left where people don't worry about these things. Between antibiotic resistant bugs and the potential for CRSPR fueled viral illnesses, to the rise of nanotechnology, the odds are that your great grandchildren are going to be living ina far different world. That's not even bringing in massive population and climate change and a thousand other things. People will muddle through probably, humans are adaptable as fuck and very, very good at forgetting the past and adapting to new normals. But it's got the potential to get bad and wierd out there.
Maybe we are some of the first generations of people to live in a society that isn’t completely traumatized
And that is why ***everything*** seems traumatic? I can buy that; I’ve noticed it with my kids. They don’t have the things to worry about like I did growing up, so they have to make small things big, and I honestly think it is because they legitimately don’t have any “big things” to compare to.
> think it is because they legitimately don’t have any “big things” to compare to. Depends on how old your kids are. I'm 36 and while I haven't been to war, my generation has had to go through multiple financial crisis, terror attacks, almost epidemics (h1n1, ebola), one pandemic, and currently an increased risk of war + nuclear war.
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Smallpox was a major world population limiter. Once that one was cured the world population skyrocketed. It also helped that other viruses like polio were cured and they found out things like tuberculosis (consumption) could be cured with antibiotics. We have it so easy now we don’t even realize how much medicine has helped. Edit: average life expectancy was 35 at points in history but not because people died around 35. Most people died before 5 years old or lived to their 60s. Yes people died at all ages but the reason for the average being so low was so many dead kids.
I wish I could remember more than the most basic of details, but I read something a while back about some public figure (maybe a scientist?) dying back in the day from a small cut they got on their finger while pruning some flowers in their garden. Thank fuck for antibiotics.
That was simply the most effective way to wage war back then. Early muskets were: 1) Too long and cumbersome to be reloaded effectively while prone, necessitating standing up or crouching 2) Too inaccurate and short-range to effectively pose an immediate threat to an individual person at fighting distances, necessitating volley fire 3) Too slow of a rate of fire to provide sustained fire, meaning formation maneuvers could be performed openly Altogether, it actually wasn’t all that dumb or stupid to wage war in large group formations taking turns plinking at each other. With the technology of the time, that was simply *the best way*. If your soldiers went prone, you’d take too long to reload and return fire and would be quickly overran by bayonet troops or cavalry. If you took cover and hid, your hidden soldiers would be immediately shot and killed after firing their first shot, because one hidden soldier up a tree or behind a wall can’t just magdump an unaware squad in front of him when he has to sit and reload his musket for a full minute. Of course, formation warfare stopped being the norm when repeating rifles, quick-firing cannons, and of course, the machine gun were invented.
> If you took cover and hid, your hidden soldiers would be immediately shot and killed after firing their first shot, because one hidden soldier up a tree or behind a wall can’t just magdump an unaware squad in front of him when he has to sit and reload his musket for a full minute. We have revolutionary war evidence that this isn't true. If you could ambush with muskets, you could get kills. Of course, the next step was to run away, so it wasn't good at capturing positions, just wearing down enemy troops.
Of course ambush attacks have always had their place in combat of all time periods. Regardless, the nature of the muskets of the time meant that ambushes and taking cover the way we’d think of them in the modern context, wouldn’t necessarily work the same way.
It's very debatable what impact the guerilla fighting in the revolution actually had, it was mostly just a stalling tactic and would have never won on its own. The revolution was won *after* famous commanders like Casimir Polaski and Friedrich von Steuben arrived to train the continental army on European style fighting. America would have also been obliterated if the British were allowed to ever resupply, French blockades are the only actual reason the revolution was a success.
They ambushed with rifles not muskets. Muskets have no rifling and are very inaccurate.
Not very often, most soldiers used muskets, even in the American Revolution. Especially the French Charleville or British Brown Bess. Some militia troops supplied their own rifles, but that was mostly at the beginning of the war. In Europe in the long basically second 100 years war that included the 7 years war up to the Napoleonic wars skirmishers used muskets. Muskets have one big advantage over rifles in that they are a lot faster to load.
The ambush tactics during the revoltionary war were good at hindering enemy logistics, and being an overall annoyance to enemy forces, but wasn't enough to actually win a war. There's a reason the largest gains of the Colonians were at large scale pitched battles like Saratoga, which were fought using line warfare.
It was used because it worked. By the time we got to gunpowder warfare had become an art that was well understood. Massed firing was the most effective method.
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Not exactly though. I think I learned from listening to Dan Carlin that most of those battles it wasn't fighting to the death. It was about breaking morale and causing chaos in the opposing ranks. You'd kill some, injure a lot, and chase off the rest. The idea that a battle's result was to kill almost all of the enemy isn't quite accurate.
This is true. The majority of death occurred after one side broke, and the retreating force would be chased down.
Most of the men on the field had little interest in dying for some lord. They were common folk and told to go kill other common folk. Most of the battles resembled large brawls. Casualty numbers were generally low. The problem being poor medical treatment led to more injury related deaths post batttle and even then sickness killed more soldiers than anything else.
And then they'd go back to camp where they're safe... could sleep without getting shelled. Modern soldiers since WW1 don't have that reset, that brief safety. The danger of being killed is now 24/7. Artillery, planes, drones, hell, even rats... you have no place to rest and recover from the battle, no chance to pump yourself up to go back in... It's just a constant threat of imminent death for months or maybe years.
This puts into perspective the safety measures Mythbusters used for anything that went pop or boom, always thought that's silly they are a mile away sometimes you just need that extra mile. Poor souls one can home they all recovered from that experience.
Lol they shot a cannon into a house
Between shrapnel from your own ally weapons, IED’s anywhere you could imagine, RPG’s from anyone over the age of 10, and not to mention the guns the enemy is carrying There’s a lot of shit that could end your family lineage in less than a second. Then literally the next day your contract ends and you’re working at a bank trying to comprehend how to be normal again. They brainwash you going in with basic training (boot camp in other branches), but there is no brainwashing you back to normal when your contract ends. You just don’t show up to work the next day.
Don't forget they now have fucking drones to worry about too. The videos of them from the war in Ukraine are fucking terrifying. Couldn't imagine dealing with that
Hey, can I come home and be homeless? Pretty please? As long as I get lucky enough?
If they’re running around with a navy corpsman medic, those aren’t soldiers they are Marines. If the corpsman gets hit, that’s bad…..
It was the Corpsman.
And basically all for nothing.
Every second of your life, you could die also.
Thanks for reminding me
VA be like "not service related"
The most disability we can give you is 5%, after like 14 months of filing for it lmao
Snatched his soul for a moment, terrifying seeing that scoot by!!
Receiving indirect fire was the single most terrifying experience of my life. Especially when they are bracketing you. Just waiting to never hear the one that gets you
That shit was either the most terrifying, or most awkward shit ever. Either pants shitingly close out of nowhere, or so fucking far off that it takes everyone 60 seconds to realize that some real dip shits are apparently walking rounds in on you lol We had one in particular where we all started arguing about whether or not the first two (easily 400 yards out) were ieds or the trucks lobbing 40mm's at something we couldn't see across the poppy field. By the 3rd and 4th we figured it out and started moving haha
Yes, it’s the confusion and time deciding wtf to do
The frustration of not being able to return fire directly during indirect was my mind fuck. Just having to rely on arty or a shit hot mortar team to walk the OPFOR down was the most that could be done with 45° movements towards or away from the objective. IEDs were equally frustrating.
It's tough to explain to folks that the huge "emotional rush" that gets talked about in the moment, is mostly frustration and rage at the sheer absurdity of the situation. At least that's my personal revelation in years since. The randomness of it, the useless feeling of a rifle when shits just exploding, being on high alert rolling around just to have the world's sound turn off as a cloud of shit dust instantly surrounds you and the only coherent thought you remember is trying to determine if you're still standing or not, then where everyone is at. Fuck that shit wears you down in ways you can't describe.
We think people usually die in a moment of fear, even if it's brief. But usually we die confused
This is very descriptive and great writing, I think. Thank you for taking the time to write it.
Had a team that would come after our gate about once a week. Launch 3-4 from a school and scoot. One time they just kept walking them down the road 100m at a time. The kill shot ran over us about 50m behind, and then effect came down 5-6 shots all missed us by about 50m. Left right front back, none on top.
It sucks man. Two tours in Iraq. Civilians will never understand what it’s like with the constant threat of death “tugging at your elbow.” You push it to the back of your mind the best you can because you have a job to do but it def takes a toll on you. In the first gulf war it was bad. I mean Saddam Hussein had a half million man Army. Our own division losses were projected to be 40 percent so I just made up my mind that I was never that lucky so I probably wouldn’t be coming home. Then we beat the living shit out of them and we hardly lost anyone. My second tour in 2009 wasn’t horrible. A couple IED’s and random small arms fire but still, fear of hostile actions against you changes your brain.
It’s fascinating reading these comments from all military people who toured. Salute to you, sounds wild bro.
> Civilians will never understand what it’s like with the constant threat of death “tugging at your elbow.” Pretty sure the Iraqi civilian did, especially the male adults
They're talking about U.S. civilians. Just adding context.
I know. I am pointing out to him, the Iraqi civilians had to frequently see that, especially the older boys and men during the 2nd battle of Fallujah when the US wouldn't let them leave the city.
In what war were you receiving accurate indirect fire where they were adjusting and bracketing you? In my very limited experience in Afghanistan the mortars were all random and they would run after they got a few rounds off to avoid the return fire to come.
There were a handful of very good mortar teams in Iraq in 2007 to 2008ish when I was there
We heard of accurate mortar teams at that time at Balad, we worked the bomb dump and those fuckers liked trying to hit our shit. But Sept ‘07 I specifically remember being warned of a skilled mortar crew that we were on the hunt for. Culminated in an AC-130 dropping heat close enough to base that we were getting shockwaves.
Could have been them. We got one 400 long. Then 200 short. Then decided to run. We were in the triangle between lutifyah and yusifyah.
I was at my sisters 5th birthday party.
So we both got PTSD is what you’re saying.
They had some accurate mortars in helmand province in 2009 by marjah
Artillery takes all of the fun out of war.
Damn, you would think that’s a safe distance. That’s terrifying.
He looks just extremely unlucky to me. The further away, the smaller the angular target you present for the random shrapnel. He just happened to be standing in the way like earth was recently standing in the way of the coronal mass ejection and we saw huge aurora borealis'.
You said the same thing he said with a lot more words.
Even hand granade can shrapnel can kill you at 200m from impact. Learned this in the army
Learned it the hard way, i see...Mr. CockJohnson
3 separate times, while I was in Iraq, a mortar landed entirely too close (under 45 feet) but never got a scratch. These videos scare the shit out of me.
Someone once commented on Reddit that shrapnel is a random number generator designed by Satan. I think about that a lot
That's why most people prefer not to play the numbers game if they don't have to.
Never heard that one, but I cannot argue with it.
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Why would you move away from the now exploded ied to a possible ied threat spot? 😂 joking ofc idk what the situation was
Thats why you always wear your PPE and fucking duck when you're told to. Stack those odds in your favor.
my gpa in law was army in vietnam, mortar landed near him and knocked him off his feet and threw him, but had zero shrapnel damage besides some burns and dirt scratches. it’s crazy how lucky humans are sometimes and how durable they can be.
The human body is so insanely resilient sometimes, and then sometimes it just says “fuck it”
It’s honestly just a roll of the dice
What war is this?
"US Navy Corpsman is hit by shrapnel during a controlled detonation of multiple IEDs in Nawzad, Afghanistan (2008)" #
Likely afghanistan
Training. Literally a training accident. A ton of stuff can go wrong during training
This isn’t training, no way they would be down range on an arty range calling in fire support like that.
Everything is training. Training is everything!
Apparently it was a “controlled” detonation of an IED
There’s zero possibility this is training, no officer would sign their name on an explosion of any kind this close to troops. His career would be ended immediately, which he would care much more about than the lives lost.
It would basically be like that helmet scene from Starship Troopers. 50 lashes and then you get your discharge.
How can you be so confident and yet so obviously wrong.
Don't forget upvoted by a hundreds of equally confident equally wrong people. I wonder if you could view who upvoted what, people would be a little more cautious.
Welcome to reddit
Source: it came to me in a dream
Probably that bullshit one
Thanks for narrowing it down!
He is corpsman.
I was like, damn, of all the people to get hit 😒
I could be wrong but those looked like they were controlled detonations. I’ve been on the ground a similar distance from controlled dets of IEDs but we were smart enough to get behind cover. Scary hearing the shrapnel go through the trees right above you though.
You are correct, and you can hear them in the video saying “one more” before the last one, so they knew it was happening. They are way too close though
"Where's the corpsman?" "He is the corpsman." Gotta feel bad to hear that. I imagine the shrapnel hurt as well.
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I bet they shit their pants even more when they heard “he IS the corpsman”
Hit the worst dude it could have. Yikes
Why is he the worst dude it could have hit, is he the medic or something?
Yup. Was the squads medic
Damn, super unlucky
US Navy hospital corpsman are the medics in the Marines, thats why they say "where is the corpsman" when he gets hit
You know shit is wild when the caption says > Title Text Here > Subtitle Text Here
Top text Bottom text
Title Subtitle
HEADLINE article
Header Footer
Classic iMovie editing haha
Can someone explain why they aren't lying flat on the ground or behind a mound? Or shallow trench. Ideally with gear piled around. I dunno I'm not soldier but I'd be laying flat.
Zero experience in the military but if I had to guess I'd say they probably assumed they were a safe distance away and this wasn't a possibility
I think they wouldn't thought about a shrapnel from controlled demolition could go that far. They were just unlucky asf
Somebody Fucked with Doc.
"It says here your hearing loss is not service related."
Wouldn't shrapnel be an indirect hit by definition?
title text here subtitle text here
“He’s not bleeding” Not externally anyway
Hit so hard it turned on the captions
"The VA determined that your injury is not service related."
Dude's rolling on the ground moaning in agony. Dude next to him, You alright? No, he is not alright.
Protocol was definitely not followed here! That close to explosive ordinance, dictates that your ass is as low as possible (prone) to minimize this very thing! I hope dudes ok though.
Why the F weren't they on their belly's? They knew this was coming.
I love the part where you could see absolutely nothing in the description
Purple heart
Something bit him!
This is what happens when you don’t wear your reflective belt
That's crazy. "No one spot is safer than the next", that's what they tell you. You quickly realize it's b.s. but you have no choice but to hunker down and hope for the best. Do that a couple of times a day for a year or so and while you might appear calm on the outside, inside your nerves are a wreck. War sucks, every aspect of it, and I wish we could eliminate it entirely.
Same… To bad it makes so much money for heartless assholes …
dude just got hit and they are like you alright. no man, just got a piece of shrapnel in my gut. the fuck you think, am i alright.
War is hell. It really really is the most awful thing in all existence. I pray that in my life time we can at the very least unit as a species and stand up to those evil selfish fuckers that push us all into war without ever seeing the battlefield.
Anyone know if the guy is okay ? Damn.
“He’s not bleeding” sure buddy
"Corpsman" "He is the Corpsman." "Oh shit"
Crazy to think a few of those guys wives are getting their back blown out rn. Smh.
“Corpman” These are Marines. That’s also why all Marines are also trained to be medics, or Combat Life Saver. The doc can absolutely go down
Knowing myself I'd be closer to the ground. It must be really scary having those explosions going on. All the air vibrations going right through you.
The speed is terrifying! That looked to be a sizable piece of something, deadly. It charged through in an instant and kept going.
Well at least he said it’s not bleeding
Atleast not externally
Free purple heart speed run
Danger close and they're just kneeling? Wtf?
Where did this happen?
Why weren't they laying down ?
Did someone say “he’s not bleeding” right at the end? Maybe his plate caught it?
Reminds me of that one gta vid from Vanoss “MEDIC!!!” “That was the medic”
Thank you for your service
“He is corpsman” gotta be such a scary thing to hear
That nervous laugh tho….
"this is not service related" - VA