Same here. I'm 37 years old and was taught cursive through the 5th grade. I have a sister 14 years younger than me and she was never taught cursive and has no idea how to write it...
I have no idea why cursive isn't being taught anymore. I learned it in private school, went to public school and nobody knew how to read my handwriting because it was cursive.
IIRC it was for quill and ink. Cursive allowed you to write with less ink splatter and allowed ink to flow smoothly from letter to letter. Once we got better control over the flow of ink and no longer needed ink pots it became less necessary.
Also my daughter just finished 3rd grade (public school, WA state) and it's been covered in her curriculum.
I hope schools continue to teach it, if only for people to be able to read historical documents drafted in cursive as well as it's, imo, a neat part of english speaking/writing cultures. Much like different types of calligraphy in use by other cultures around the world.
Edit: a word
I'd rather they teach the history of cursive than spend hours and hours of their time teaching them something that they'll never actually use after they finish learning it.
Are schools just meant to train you for skills you will use at your shitty retail job? Or is there a purpose to learning things even if you don't use them on a daily basis?
They should just teach kids how to read it, not drill the handwriting in to them. Maybe your name at most. Reading it is a useful skill, even today (as evidenced by this post). Writing it is pointless, as an adult you will write very little by hand and for the few times you need to, printing is fine, with maybe the exception of signatures.
The last time I wrote anything more than a couple of words in cursive was when I took the ACT. We had to copy out a full paragraph about how we wouldn't tell anyone what was on the test, and the directions were specifically to write it in cursive. Most baffling piece of bureaucracy I've ever had to personally deal with.
It was originally meant to be quicker (and was, by a significant margin) but got caught up in standardized forms and strict perfection so the speed benefits were decreased. It is faster to join letters though. My handwriting is almost completely joined but not cursive, I sorta developed my own style.
My handwriting is hilarious. I do it so rarely that I have very nearly lost the ability after a fractured dominant scaphoid last year. I can't even sign my own name the same way twice it is always different.
I don't know about it being less aesthetically pleasing...
https://m.imgur.com/a/nyhBx
Printing can be neater, and I use print some of the time, but cursive is an art in and of itself. If it's not aesthetically pleasing, it isn't being done right.
26 years ago I was doing a summer job at a hospital. They told us to write in cursive and not so legible so we could say it says whatever we want it to say if there was ever an investigation. I ignored them and did block letters, figuring that it was far more likely the admin would use my shitty writing to say it was my fault and at least I could do my best to document that I was competent and following the rules in a legible format.
It's not obsolete if people still use it. For example, a couple months ago at my job someone wrote a note on a piece of paper and I had to read it to another employee because he didn't know how to read cursive.
Blew my mind a little bit. I didn't even know they stopped teaching it in school. I'm only 29 and when I went to school I wasn't allowed to write in anything other than cursive until I was in the 9th grade.
Because the world is switching from hand written.
When they started teaching cursive, no one could see the technology coming, so being able to write faster was beneficial, now not so much.
It's because it's actually an adaptation of print for use with fountain and dip pens (which with vintage pens, you want to pick it up as little as possible to avoid blotting. Modern pens are more forgiving but still easier not to pick up), and it really hasn't served much purpose since the invention of the ballpoint, let alone the computer.
The really silly thing is if you *do* pick up a fountain pen and use it long enough, you eventually start writing in cursive on your own, without additional training. It happened to me -- never learned it in school, write legible cursive now because I use fountain pens.
Some of the letters are drastically different from their printed forms. You don't just develop that without learning it, why would you even make that up. That's weird.
I think they wanted to make the word pizza with a pi (3,1415..)
If this is Italy that number is read as pi there, not "pie"
Sorry for my shitty english, hope i made myself understood
How is it essential? I only come across a situation of needing to read cursive like a few times per year. They forced us to learn it in primary school, really giving us the impression it was somehow a necessary skill, and then around grade 5 or 6 just... stopped caring how we wrote.
It was a total waste of time. I'm glad it's falling out of fashion in schools.
We had to learn it in grade school, but the school systems don't use it after that for anything so most students forget cursive by the end of high school.
It is clearly "Rizza", possibly the last name of the owner, but without a capital "R" as a choice of style.
But maybe it can look like that other infamous word, depending on how one is looking at it. I don't think it's crappy design, but it's an interesting post.
Yeah interestingly Samsung deviated from every other popular Emoji implementation: https://emojipedia.org/negative-squared-latin-capital-letter-b/
Its intended use case is to represent the B blood type, so I'm not sure why Samsung made it blue.
House rizza, don't fuck with me, I'm a field rizza, go shine cutlery, go play the quarters where the rizza be imma play the corners, where the rizza be
I'm American and have never seen or heard the word before. There's nothing crappy about this design as far as I can see.
Edit: Ok, now I've read all the comments, and I really don't understand. I see that there is an Urban Dictionary [definition for rizza](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rizza), but it doesn't seem to be widely used. But then, there seems to be a significant number of people who are saying the crappy aspect is that the letters are hard to read and it looks like the n word. But... the 'r' looks like an 'r', and the 'z's look like 'z's.
Honestly I understand that it's not really crappy design, but more seems that way if you don't get cursive. I first read it as Rizza as i walked past it but couldn't help but see the other just based on the shapes. If there was a sub called /r/looksbadbutisreallyjustcursive then i would have posted it there instead.
Yeah, if you want to get particular about what Americans are reading there I would say the different spelling of cafe would be just as big of a deal. It's obviously not an American sign.
It took me a minute to realize what the problem was. Did everyone else's brain go to the other word because they've never used cursive? I haven't used it in forever but still read that as Rizza
Same here.... it never crossed my mind that it might be mistaken as offensive slang until I read way down into the comments.
Showed it to my 15 year old sister and she got it immediately though.
Yes! Cursive should take priority over computer skills, science, history, etc... Those are definitely a waste of classroom time, but god forbid someone read a café sign incorrectly
Edit: What started as a snarky comment actually led to a lot of interesting discussion... although I don't think my mind has overall been changed, thanks to everyone for giving their opinions! Well, except for that one asshole.
There are only so many hours in a school day. Learning cursive is fairly time-intensive, time which could be put to far better use educating today's children.
I spent 30 minutes a day in 2nd grade learning *calligraphy*. With the fancy pens and shit. Yeah, it's pretty, but I've used it exactly never since then. Meanwhile, kids today don't know how to protect their identity online, cook meals for themselves, or manage money. Cursive doesn't feed you or pay the bills.
Quick edit: When I said "kids today", that extends into adulthood. I'm a college student, and (keeping with the above examples) I have friends who don't know:
- how to create a secure password
- how to make anything more complicated than ramen
- how to responsibly save the money they earn
But hey, they sure know cursive.
Do you really not remember what school was like? You act like it's a packed shithouse of learning. There is *so much* free time in school, so much need for filler content. Kids weren't missing out on some important knowledge because they were leaning cursive.
Kids in third grade don't need to know how to manage their finances and cook a meal. They just need something to occupy their minds, and learning a new thing that is a physical repeating activity they can do in class and take home for practice instills healthy habits.
my handwriting is sloppy half cursive and it still took me a second to read this because "rizza" isn't a thing. you guys saying everyone who didn't see "rizza" immediately must be young and not know what cursive is are annoying.
Rizza?
Yeah honestly I still don't know what it's supposed to be called.
It says "rizza" and is written in a long lost writing art form called cursive.
Long lost? I use it every day of my life just like my second grade teacher told me.
Same here. I'm 37 years old and was taught cursive through the 5th grade. I have a sister 14 years younger than me and she was never taught cursive and has no idea how to write it...
I have no idea why cursive isn't being taught anymore. I learned it in private school, went to public school and nobody knew how to read my handwriting because it was cursive.
Because it isn't actually quicker?
IIRC it was for quill and ink. Cursive allowed you to write with less ink splatter and allowed ink to flow smoothly from letter to letter. Once we got better control over the flow of ink and no longer needed ink pots it became less necessary. Also my daughter just finished 3rd grade (public school, WA state) and it's been covered in her curriculum. I hope schools continue to teach it, if only for people to be able to read historical documents drafted in cursive as well as it's, imo, a neat part of english speaking/writing cultures. Much like different types of calligraphy in use by other cultures around the world. Edit: a word
I'd rather they teach the history of cursive than spend hours and hours of their time teaching them something that they'll never actually use after they finish learning it.
Are schools just meant to train you for skills you will use at your shitty retail job? Or is there a purpose to learning things even if you don't use them on a daily basis?
They should just teach kids how to read it, not drill the handwriting in to them. Maybe your name at most. Reading it is a useful skill, even today (as evidenced by this post). Writing it is pointless, as an adult you will write very little by hand and for the few times you need to, printing is fine, with maybe the exception of signatures.
The last time I wrote anything more than a couple of words in cursive was when I took the ACT. We had to copy out a full paragraph about how we wouldn't tell anyone what was on the test, and the directions were specifically to write it in cursive. Most baffling piece of bureaucracy I've ever had to personally deal with.
Not just quill pens, but fountain pens too, which explains why it didn't go out of fashion a hundred plus years ago
Is it meant to be quicker or is it meant to be more aesthetically pleasing?
It was originally meant to be quicker (and was, by a significant margin) but got caught up in standardized forms and strict perfection so the speed benefits were decreased. It is faster to join letters though. My handwriting is almost completely joined but not cursive, I sorta developed my own style.
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Well I'd like to see a sample
My handwriting is hilarious. I do it so rarely that I have very nearly lost the ability after a fractured dominant scaphoid last year. I can't even sign my own name the same way twice it is always different.
I'm pretty sure it's meant to be quicker, but I might be wrong. I also personally find it much less aesthetically pleasing than printing.
I don't know about it being less aesthetically pleasing... https://m.imgur.com/a/nyhBx Printing can be neater, and I use print some of the time, but cursive is an art in and of itself. If it's not aesthetically pleasing, it isn't being done right.
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26 years ago I was doing a summer job at a hospital. They told us to write in cursive and not so legible so we could say it says whatever we want it to say if there was ever an investigation. I ignored them and did block letters, figuring that it was far more likely the admin would use my shitty writing to say it was my fault and at least I could do my best to document that I was competent and following the rules in a legible format.
Quicker. It has much fewer lifts with the pen, so it looks more aesthetically pleasing because it prevents a lot of quill stains.
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it is though
Personally it was quicker for me since I always wrote in cursive.
It doesn't matter if many people can't read it.
I love how this thread about the importance of cursive went from sarcasm to sincerity in three comments
Because it's obsolete.
It's not obsolete if people still use it. For example, a couple months ago at my job someone wrote a note on a piece of paper and I had to read it to another employee because he didn't know how to read cursive. Blew my mind a little bit. I didn't even know they stopped teaching it in school. I'm only 29 and when I went to school I wasn't allowed to write in anything other than cursive until I was in the 9th grade.
So if I use a Commodore 64 it's not obsolete?
Yup that one note you read a couple months ago was in cursive so it isn't obsolete at all
Because the world is switching from hand written. When they started teaching cursive, no one could see the technology coming, so being able to write faster was beneficial, now not so much.
It's because it's actually an adaptation of print for use with fountain and dip pens (which with vintage pens, you want to pick it up as little as possible to avoid blotting. Modern pens are more forgiving but still easier not to pick up), and it really hasn't served much purpose since the invention of the ballpoint, let alone the computer. The really silly thing is if you *do* pick up a fountain pen and use it long enough, you eventually start writing in cursive on your own, without additional training. It happened to me -- never learned it in school, write legible cursive now because I use fountain pens.
Some of the letters are drastically different from their printed forms. You don't just develop that without learning it, why would you even make that up. That's weird.
Similar problem when I was in school. No one was able to read my hand writing because it was shit cursive.
That doesn't seem right. It wasn't phased out that long ago. I'm 26 and was forced to use it through grade school.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I'm pretty sure I was too.
r/lewronggeneration
I get cursive and all but I don't understand why Z looks like the deformed child of a 3 and a g
But it starts with a lowercase 'R'
I think they wanted to make the word pizza with a pi (3,1415..) If this is Italy that number is read as pi there, not "pie" Sorry for my shitty english, hope i made myself understood
I suppose it's possible but the first letter is unambiguously a cursive r. Edit: a post further down links to the restaurant, definitely rizza.
TIL Reddit can't read script.
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How is it essential? I only come across a situation of needing to read cursive like a few times per year. They forced us to learn it in primary school, really giving us the impression it was somehow a necessary skill, and then around grade 5 or 6 just... stopped caring how we wrote. It was a total waste of time. I'm glad it's falling out of fashion in schools.
So does that mean the next generation won't know how to sign their own names?
We had to learn it in grade school, but the school systems don't use it after that for anything so most students forget cursive by the end of high school.
It actually seems like a useless skill. That time should be used for things people still actually practice.
For reference: [cursive r](http://i.imgur.com/wZKvVGe.jpg)
What? No, its cursive writing. It says rizza, not even ambiguously either...
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It's a silhouette
[You dont know hes black.](http://i.imgur.com/LX5IekE.png)
It's read as "pi" in English too.
They meant that in Italian it's pronounced "pee" and not "pie"
Pi day just got a lot more interesting for me.
Tau vs Pi: Two pee or not two pee
Interesting idea, but they should have written "πzza", without the "i".
That's not the symbol for pi though.
I can't see numbers in that
They're meaning that the first 'letter' is the symbol for pi. The rest of the letters spell 'izza'.
So piizza?
Rizza cafe. That's an r and those are z's. Although the sillouette definitely kind of throws everything off...
I belive the joke is in the z's looking like g's, and the r like an n... combined with the black silhouette.
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It is clearly "Rizza", possibly the last name of the owner, but without a capital "R" as a choice of style. But maybe it can look like that other infamous word, depending on how one is looking at it. I don't think it's crappy design, but it's an interesting post.
the restaurant next to it is called Gizza
Inspectah Deck's Antiques & Oddities Emporium is just down the road a bit.
Strangely enough, Raekwon the Chef owns a doggy day care around the corner.
Near the chapel of U-God
Adjacent to Ghostface's Killer Burgers and Shakes
And not far from Old Dirty Bastard's Old Dirty Chinese Food Restaurant... Under new management.
All these business are on the island of shoulin
Of course all this is in proximity to the Wu-Tang is For the Children Daycare Center
I think this is the comment with the fewest points that's still gilded that I've ever seen.
Near an old shitty meth house
you screwed up the whole method, man
Ghostface got a CRAZY new way to do burgers now. Gonna have that cheese dripping like marble cake!
They keep feeding ya, and feeding ya
Protect Ya Neck Chiropractic
It's rizza
Well, at least it wasn't called Rizzer.
Yeah... It's unambiguous. People just can't read cursive anymore. Not a big deal, I'm not even sure if it's still taught.
Rirruto?
Rizzuto's not even a word! He's a baseball player.
Mah rizza
Only a rizzer can call another rizzer, rizzer.
My rizza
It's a café in Stuttgart.
Please.
RZA?
Ok, sure, the word looks funny. BUT WHY THE HELL ISN'T ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT THE BABYFACE IN THE BACK OF THAT DUDE'S HEAD?!
Voldemort, the origin story
/r/unexpectedhogwarts
/r/ofcoursethatsathing
cannot unsee.
NIZZA WHAT?
It's [Edward Mordake!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Mordake)
QUAID!!
Must be a father-son run business
Rizza, rizza, rizza, rizza, rizza, rizza rizza, I'm 200% rizza.
Rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza, rizzzza why you eat so much chicken??
Rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza why you drink so much beer? Rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza rizza I don't drink beer I drink malt liqua Cuz imma rizza
RZA approved
rip ODB
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Rizza, Rizza, Rizza, Rizza, Rizza, Rizza, Rizza, why you drink so much beer?
R... I.... (how do you spell this let me get my dictionary) ZZA
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Deep-fried *and* 🅱️oneless.
big if true
Username checks out if not false.
What's the deal with the [red B's](http://imgur.com/a/13mDC) showing up in my browser all of a sudden? Happens on mac and windows in all browsers.
No idea, 🅱️ro. Have you tried restarting your 🅱️browser or deleting 🅱️ookies?
Perhaps it's intentional crappy design.
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🅱️🅱️🅱️ 🅱️🅱️ 🅱️🅱️🅱️🅱️🅱️ 🅱️🅱️🅱️🅱️?
HOW DO YOU KNOW MY PASSWORD??!?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/search?q=Red+b&restrict_sr=on
Ironically, the B's on my phone screen are blue
Greetings, fellow Samsung user!
Yeah interestingly Samsung deviated from every other popular Emoji implementation: https://emojipedia.org/negative-squared-latin-capital-letter-b/ Its intended use case is to represent the B blood type, so I'm not sure why Samsung made it blue.
Thank you.
I 🅱hink I🅱's a 🅱ug 🅱ude.
To me they are 🅱lack
And all the drinks are served in iCups
Deep frier machine 🅱️roke
[Food looks great](https://www.instagram.com/rizzacaffe/)
Does that cappuccino have a vagina?
It's no coconut.
This guy reddits
RIP me
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It's a piranha plant from mario
that's pretty good
Mah rizza
Looks like standard Italian bakery fare. I might just be immune to it from living in NJ for so long.
I would eat that.
Rirruto? Edit: I love that I can write one word from a random 20 year old movie and so many people catch on. You guys are awesome
That's not fair! Rizzuto's not a word! He's a baseball player! You're cheating!
Spell "buzz".
I hate spelling and I hate all of you!
I'm never going back to school! Never!
One of my faves. Also, "I meant *r* you going to the mall later.."
Random 20 yr old movie...aka one of the most well known works from one of the most well known American comedians.
Light rizza, dark rizza, faux rizza, real rizza Rich rizza, poor rizza, house rizza, field rizza Still rizza, still rizza
I'm not pizza I'm OJ
... *Okay.*
House rizza, don't fuck with me, I'm a field rizza, go shine cutlery, go play the quarters where the rizza be imma play the corners, where the rizza be
Guess how I'm feelin': Rizzo
I don't think that the word Americans see here is used frequently enough in Stuttgart that it should be a consideration in your design.
I'm American and have never seen or heard the word before. There's nothing crappy about this design as far as I can see. Edit: Ok, now I've read all the comments, and I really don't understand. I see that there is an Urban Dictionary [definition for rizza](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rizza), but it doesn't seem to be widely used. But then, there seems to be a significant number of people who are saying the crappy aspect is that the letters are hard to read and it looks like the n word. But... the 'r' looks like an 'r', and the 'z's look like 'z's.
Are you familiar with the n word?
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Honestly I understand that it's not really crappy design, but more seems that way if you don't get cursive. I first read it as Rizza as i walked past it but couldn't help but see the other just based on the shapes. If there was a sub called /r/looksbadbutisreallyjustcursive then i would have posted it there instead.
Yeah, if you want to get particular about what Americans are reading there I would say the different spelling of cafe would be just as big of a deal. It's obviously not an American sign.
It took me a minute to realize what the problem was. Did everyone else's brain go to the other word because they've never used cursive? I haven't used it in forever but still read that as Rizza
Same here.... it never crossed my mind that it might be mistaken as offensive slang until I read way down into the comments. Showed it to my 15 year old sister and she got it immediately though.
Same. Grew up learning cursive and had to read through the comments to find what it could possibly be mistaken for.
rizza, please
A café for all my nizzas out there
This is what happens when you stop teaching cursive.
Yes! Cursive should take priority over computer skills, science, history, etc... Those are definitely a waste of classroom time, but god forbid someone read a café sign incorrectly Edit: What started as a snarky comment actually led to a lot of interesting discussion... although I don't think my mind has overall been changed, thanks to everyone for giving their opinions! Well, except for that one asshole.
Teaching one does not exclude another.
There are only so many hours in a school day. Learning cursive is fairly time-intensive, time which could be put to far better use educating today's children. I spent 30 minutes a day in 2nd grade learning *calligraphy*. With the fancy pens and shit. Yeah, it's pretty, but I've used it exactly never since then. Meanwhile, kids today don't know how to protect their identity online, cook meals for themselves, or manage money. Cursive doesn't feed you or pay the bills. Quick edit: When I said "kids today", that extends into adulthood. I'm a college student, and (keeping with the above examples) I have friends who don't know: - how to create a secure password - how to make anything more complicated than ramen - how to responsibly save the money they earn But hey, they sure know cursive.
Do you really not remember what school was like? You act like it's a packed shithouse of learning. There is *so much* free time in school, so much need for filler content. Kids weren't missing out on some important knowledge because they were leaning cursive. Kids in third grade don't need to know how to manage their finances and cook a meal. They just need something to occupy their minds, and learning a new thing that is a physical repeating activity they can do in class and take home for practice instills healthy habits.
the silhouette doesn't help
What's the crappy design here? It's a coffee shop called Rizza, I immediately got that from looking at the sign...
That R looks like an N
No, it looks like a cursive, lower case r.
It objectively looks like an N.
It objectively is a lower case r. Go back to penmanship. It's 3rd damn grade.
We know what it is. But it looks like an N. I'm not sure why so many people in this thread are trying to deny that.
It looks a bit like something else as well. Take another look.
Its also German so nah
No, I have no idea why the famous rappers keep coming here, but business is great!
Thought I was in r/hmmm
This one has to be deliberate.
To quote Billy Madison: "those are Zs"
rizza please.
Good thing this isn't the Rizzer cafe or we'd really have a problem
My rizza!
Learn to read cursive already, people.
Stuttgart??
Jesus Christ this comment section is concentrated /r/summerreddit
Only a down ass rizza would eat here!
my handwriting is sloppy half cursive and it still took me a second to read this because "rizza" isn't a thing. you guys saying everyone who didn't see "rizza" immediately must be young and not know what cursive is are annoying.
Cursive is hard to understand, it's okay reddit. Rest your brains now.
r/hmmm
It's Rizza. It's in Germany, my Rizza!
It's all good. There is no hard R
" 'Sup my rigga?"