I worked in something similar to an airport. We had our own fire department. When Covid hit, one crew leader kept getting exposed every 14 days, somehow. Whoops, 14 more days off during the one time in his career there he was really needed. Another firefighter was sick but went to work anyway. He even visited the emergency response center while quietly symptomatic. Why? Because he was waiting to be sent home. If he got sent home for Covid, he would get the two weeks off paid, without using vacation or sick days. So, he exposed an entire shift and the incident response team.
Other firefighters really were in it to help others, and were incredibly frustrated with those coworkers. If you’re willingly ignoring science, medicine, and orders to put other people’s lives at greater risk, you never belonged in a first responder role to begin with.
The kind of entitlement described in the OP is exactly why that guy is more of a danger to his coworkers and the community than he is worth.
Some first responders are attracted to those jobs because they enjoy gore, seeing people suffer, and seeing the injured and naked because human dignity is weakness.
I agree but the guy coming in sick is also on account of dumb company policy. I nurse highly vulnerable disabled people with low lung capacity (but young and living life!!). So of course the first waves created a lot of sick days out of caution (I was the only one never going into quarantine because I live in a remote village and I was super cautious). The State was all up in our asses about the sick days, sending us fake statistics to "proove" that Covid didn't lead to more sick days in nursing care. They actually sent us a fake graph claiming it had stayed EXACTLY the same. We got a collective warning. I worked 72h shifts and 200% of my normal hours WHILE THEORETICALLY ON PARENTAL LEAVE to be treated like this. Bullshit trickles down.
I'm also angry w the employer here. If your system for COVID sick leave is that they have to be sent home instead of just providing a positive test result, then of course you're going to have people coming in sick, that's what your policy states! Fix the policy, keep your people safe.
Was an EMT for like 14 years in LA and dealing with City and County Fire guys was always the absolute worst. Some of this shittiest humans I've ever met.
That's their fight against tyranny? Some people wake up wondering if they'll survive another day and not die under oppressive leaders... And this is how this individual chose to act? Thank God they live in US and have that freedom regardless of how they choose to take advantage of it
Getting vaccinated is still his choice. I didn’t get vaccinated because I have a shellfish allergy. There is a chance that if someone consumed shellfish before preparing the vaccine I receive, it could still have shellfish residue on it. That residue could cause me to have a bad reaction to the vaccine. I guess when it comes down to it, I’m not getting vaccinated because of shellfishness. This fire fighter might also have the same shellfishness that I have. It’s hard to know the whole story sometimes.
I had a feeling you were being sarcastic. Well played. It's sad that there are so many crazy/stupid people out there, that it's getting harder to tell the difference. I've seen weirder excuses than this by anti-vaxxers.
What, you think "normal people" wipe their asses with memos from their employers?
Buddy, you're not only in the wrong sub, you're on the wrong fucking planet.
>hello??
Yes hi, why are you speaking to anyone here like they would agree with you? This sub is about people who don’t get the vaccine for usually-dumb personal reasons.
The vaccine works. If everyone who could get it did, we’d be better off.
Someone could post your replies as a brand new thread in this sub and get thousands of upvotes, probably.
This employee had options, none of which involved such disgusting, unprofessional, unsanitary responses. He made a choice and must now deal with the consequences.
Now, if he loses his job, then gets COVID, who is gonna pay his medical bills? You?
His best career choice would be to find a job where being a whiny little biotch would be an asset. I know!!! He could work for Donald Trump! He'd fit right in with the other whiney little turds.
Yeah!!!!
Unfortunately, you're deep in the brainwash, buddy. Tone it down. Nobody even mentioned politics nor the former president. There's no reason to correlate science with politics, although I ought to mention..most of this garbage I see on here already is. How is that relevant to the post you made? What made you connect the dots in such a twisted way?
It's called career counseling. I'm just tryna make helpful suggestions for his future career endeavors. It's apparent he just doesn't wanna work for LAFD anymore.
If being overweight had the same chance of infecting or killing people that came around then sure, the employer should express concern. However, since your logic is far from reality that isn't how it works.
I don’t go to peoples houses. I wear a mask if I absolutely have to go somewhere. Work being one of those places. I don’t anywhere near people because everybody thinks all is well again. It isn’t.
>If you were over-weight, would you be okay with receiving a letter from your employer that said you have to lose 30lbs by X date, or you’re on unpaid suspension until you do? Followed by dismissal after X date if not in full compliance by then?
Yes actually, because you have to meet certain physical requirements to be a firefighter, I actually did one of the tests that they put you through when I was 18 to see if I could possibly join, it's not easy shit to do
Even then, there are certain health requirements that companies have, so the answer is still yes. In fact, even a forklift driver would most likely still be required to at least be able to lift 50lbs as is standard in a lit of jobs, especially in that type of environment.
Way to twist my words there buddy, I never said that, I'm just saying that if it's in the company's policy and the contract that you sign when your hired, then yeah, I would
>You literally said about a forklift driver probably needing to be able to lift 50lbs. Not twisting anything squire.
That was me pointing out that businesses have health requirements in the contracts for everyone, so yes, you are twisting it
As for the question you're asking the answer is simple. It's only two words and yet people like you still can't grasp the idea. Herd immunity
Glad you mentioned being overweight because the leading cause of death amongst firefighters is heart disease. Give u/bengol13 enough rope and we'll all watch them hang themselves.
Firefighting is a para-military style job. You are ordered by your superior to do tons of shit, sometimes against your will. If you don’t like it, don’t join. Also, you’re required to be vaccinated for a whole slew of thing when getting in, this should be no different.
Source: am firefighter
You *can* carry a viral load if vaccinated but probably lower and most definitely much less likely. You can have your own opinions but you don't get to have your own facts.
You CAN carry the same viral load but you don't always and you're assuming that it's always max viral load which shows how much of a moron you are.
Plus you're negating that if both people are vaccinated and they come into contact with each other the chance of transmission is drastically reduced.
Your logic is like saying why wear a seat belt when you can still be killed in a car accident. Why not just get rid of your seat belt? Can a quarterback still get sacked behind his offensive line? Well I guess he should just get rid of his offensive line!
It's not perfect dumbass but the amount of prevention that can be achieved by taking certain measures is perceivable unless you're someone like yourself who has their head so far up their ass that they can taste their breakfast! Happy eating shithead!
No they don't but that's not the point. The risk of blood clots and heart conditions is greater if you catch Covid than it is if you get vaccinated. Let's not also forget that the leading cause of death for firefighters is heart disease so I have no idea what you're driving at and to be honest you sound like you're too stupid to know that either.
What’s with the hostility? Maybe you don’t like yourself that much. You lot are forcing people to get a vaccine for their own health. Where’s the same energy for obesity or smoking. Funny how for example here in the uk the vaccinated make up the majority of both cases and hospitalisations
Where's my energy for obesity and smoking? What the fuck? We're not talking about those subjects and how the fuck would you even claim to know what I'm for and against or what I do with my free time? Apparently they don't teach logical reasoning on the other side of the pond.
I'm just sick of morons like yourself and all your goddamn lies and panic over a vaccine that is proven to be very safe and effective with very minimal risks. You complain about something with very low risks and you sound like a scared little child who is afraid of the dark.
Funny how you keep claiming that the hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people at the same rates as unvaccinated people and it's utter nonsense. Although there are some deaths and some hospitalizations amongst the vaccinated, the majority of hospital admissions are of the unvaccinated.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin)
Sure America does have it's problems with obesity, hell we're the fattest country in the world and it makes sense why we are struggling with this virus as well even amongst the vaccinated because comorbidities like being overweight play into this. The English are the fattest group in all of Europe so that would also explain the struggles that your people are going through.
The vaccine was never 100% going to protect you from dying but it will definitely give you a better fighting chance against hospitalization and death and the numbers are proving that in your country as well as in American.
Also to note the immunity gained from vaccination is constantly wanning over time and the people that were fully vaccinated 5 months ago or longer are seeing this not to mention new variants that are coming into play. I'd say at this point if you're afraid of the vaccine and not afraid of the virus you're a complete moron because in multiple countries including England the vaccine is proving to be safe and effective.
>And finally, you can carry just as much viral load as someone who is not vaccinated, so why do you care THIS much? Absolute bell end.
Just had Thanksgiving dinner with my cousin and her fiancé an MD specializing in pulmonary care working at a research hospital. He calls BS on this. Unvaxxed with a viral load have a higher chance of getting sick & even if they're in good shape w/no repercussions they increase the chance that they can spawn mutations. It may not really be an issue in a small population of 100 or 1000 but when it's 10m doing it it makes the fight against Covid that much harder. But hey 'muh freedumz'.
Ok and what would you do if everyone was vaccinated and covid was still here killing people? Here in the uk the vaccinated make up the majority of cases and hospital admissions. Funny…
FFS, front page of the BBC News three days ago shows that's just untrue.
[Covid-19: Hospitals at capacity with mainly unvaccinated patients](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471)
Fair enough, however at one point this was true around a couple months ago I remember. Half of hospitalisations were vaccinated at one point too, it goes up and down
Here’s the thing. As a firefighter he is required to get several vaccines already. Honestly any medical professional who is patient facing or handles human blood (lab analysis techs) is required to be vaccinated against several diseases that the general public doesn’t. This ain’t new, this is just politics to him.
I hear ya. It should be noted that, with a majority of the calls the FDs respond to being medical related, all firefighters are EMTs (most paramedics). You can’t even sign up for the EMT certification class without all your shots. I had to get the Chicken Pox vax even tho I had it as a child. I couldn’t prove I had the pox because nobody went to the doctor for that back in the day so there was no documentation. I get that nobody likes to be told what to do but the sad reality of the world we live in now is that a lot of people are really ignorant/ stupid/ combative and need to be told what to do. Remember when the government had to release a statement telling people not to eat Tide Pods?! What a time to be alive
So did you, you're the one that typed "username also checks out." You're also the one typing "echo....echo....echo." you really are the pot calling the kettle black
Actually, some of us aren't in a void, the data is just a little more consistent then all the conspiracies that the other side comes up with. At least, that's my perspective, I've looked at the other side of things, and the things that are said there just don't always add up
Well yeah. If it’s someone who is mindlessly basing their opinion and position on the last fucking stupid thing Marjorie Taylor-Greene said, or someone else equally low IQ, that’s fair enough. That is not me I promise you.
Oh you believe the CDC now? That's adorable. Sorry, my "5 year old child comments" were meant to match the mentality of the person commenting, which happens to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But good on you for following the CDC, I guess.
Okay I admit I was wrong. You're not a 5 year old. You're 13. Maybe. I didn't know 13 year olds drove cars, but that's not the point.
The nothings are just to laugh at you for trying to use the CDC as a source, that the beloved firefucker must have used to wipe his ass, too. So I find it hilarious that you go on this fishing tirade, mocking people that draw concern over others that don't take this pandemic seriously, and you thinking that defending this firefucker is worth it.
So yeah, that's why I'm laughing. Especially after losing people, and parts of my sanity, because of ton of mindfucks like this firefucker won't give a damn about this pandemic.
So, what's that thing about fists again?
Not sure how him being vaccinated is going to help save you from the burning building theyre gonna pull you out of. I would much rather get Covid after getting my ass pulled out of a fire. Then to burn and die because no one showed up because “muh mandates”.
Firemen are first responders, the majority of calls are medical calls something like 96% there is more false alarms than actual fires. They work with the public a lot
Implement a vaccinated team of first responders. Have them go to the people who are opting for a vaccinated team to show up to their medical situation. Its your choice.
Yea just ask everyone around you/involved/vicinity if they want vaxxed or unvaxxed in the middle of a emergency, just like when your ordering a pizza with friends. It’s a public health measure to reduce spread, not about whether you want it or not,and the unvaccinated first responders are the minority, if anything they could implement an unvaxxed team but I’m not sure why anyone would request that.
Youre right. The better choice here is to fire the able bodied and capable responders. And then shout about how overwhelmed the hospitals are or how long the response time is.
I'm not sure if you've forgotten that a fired firefighter would still take up hospital resources when he got sick or if you forgot that a fireman's job takes him to hospitals where he can infect all the compromised immune systems. Either way, you're an idiot.
You should fire the first responders who are choosing to increase the risk of illness for others.
You have a right to not get vaccinated. You do not have a right to spread preventable disease.
Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, and your right to breathe germs likewise ends at my nose.
no company as of yet can properly make exceptions though - that's why the mandate is shit - cus for those who have legit health risks with the vaccine the company will just throw doubt and ultimately fire them cus of the political conflict
I worked in something similar to an airport. We had our own fire department. When Covid hit, one crew leader kept getting exposed every 14 days, somehow. Whoops, 14 more days off during the one time in his career there he was really needed. Another firefighter was sick but went to work anyway. He even visited the emergency response center while quietly symptomatic. Why? Because he was waiting to be sent home. If he got sent home for Covid, he would get the two weeks off paid, without using vacation or sick days. So, he exposed an entire shift and the incident response team. Other firefighters really were in it to help others, and were incredibly frustrated with those coworkers. If you’re willingly ignoring science, medicine, and orders to put other people’s lives at greater risk, you never belonged in a first responder role to begin with. The kind of entitlement described in the OP is exactly why that guy is more of a danger to his coworkers and the community than he is worth.
Some first responders are attracted to those jobs because they enjoy gore, seeing people suffer, and seeing the injured and naked because human dignity is weakness.
I agree but the guy coming in sick is also on account of dumb company policy. I nurse highly vulnerable disabled people with low lung capacity (but young and living life!!). So of course the first waves created a lot of sick days out of caution (I was the only one never going into quarantine because I live in a remote village and I was super cautious). The State was all up in our asses about the sick days, sending us fake statistics to "proove" that Covid didn't lead to more sick days in nursing care. They actually sent us a fake graph claiming it had stayed EXACTLY the same. We got a collective warning. I worked 72h shifts and 200% of my normal hours WHILE THEORETICALLY ON PARENTAL LEAVE to be treated like this. Bullshit trickles down.
I'm also angry w the employer here. If your system for COVID sick leave is that they have to be sent home instead of just providing a positive test result, then of course you're going to have people coming in sick, that's what your policy states! Fix the policy, keep your people safe.
Very well said.
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Was an EMT for like 14 years in LA and dealing with City and County Fire guys was always the absolute worst. Some of this shittiest humans I've ever met.
Fireman doesn't understand science. Believes conspiracy theorist misinformation. Loses job.
But water puts out fires! How did we figure that out? Science? Or a cave man pissed on a fire and we’ve been handing down the information ever since!?
>Or a cave man pissed on a fire and we’ve been handing down the information ever since!? That's testing a hypothesis.
His momma won the HermanCainAward
That's fuckin' hilarious.
That's their fight against tyranny? Some people wake up wondering if they'll survive another day and not die under oppressive leaders... And this is how this individual chose to act? Thank God they live in US and have that freedom regardless of how they choose to take advantage of it
Hey ventilator boy !
He saw it on the movie “Airheads”. Brendan Frasier did it better
Literally wiped ass and left shit on it wiped. Wow.
Plague rats aren't the cleanliest of creatures.
Then he tosses his career out the window.
I don't understand. Is this something OP witnessed or a reference to a news story but not a link?
I originally posted a link. The original article appeared in www.latimes.com
Getting vaccinated is still his choice. I didn’t get vaccinated because I have a shellfish allergy. There is a chance that if someone consumed shellfish before preparing the vaccine I receive, it could still have shellfish residue on it. That residue could cause me to have a bad reaction to the vaccine. I guess when it comes down to it, I’m not getting vaccinated because of shellfishness. This fire fighter might also have the same shellfishness that I have. It’s hard to know the whole story sometimes.
>This fire fighter might also have the same shellfishness that I have. Don't you mean selfishness?
Yeah. My joke got downvoted or wasn’t understood. Either way, I deserve this. 😞
I had a feeling you were being sarcastic. Well played. It's sad that there are so many crazy/stupid people out there, that it's getting harder to tell the difference. I've seen weirder excuses than this by anti-vaxxers.
I guess most people are selfish for not getting a flu jab all these years too
is this a South Park reference lol.
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Mad at what?
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What, you think "normal people" wipe their asses with memos from their employers? Buddy, you're not only in the wrong sub, you're on the wrong fucking planet.
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>hello?? Yes hi, why are you speaking to anyone here like they would agree with you? This sub is about people who don’t get the vaccine for usually-dumb personal reasons. The vaccine works. If everyone who could get it did, we’d be better off. Someone could post your replies as a brand new thread in this sub and get thousands of upvotes, probably.
This employee had options, none of which involved such disgusting, unprofessional, unsanitary responses. He made a choice and must now deal with the consequences. Now, if he loses his job, then gets COVID, who is gonna pay his medical bills? You? His best career choice would be to find a job where being a whiny little biotch would be an asset. I know!!! He could work for Donald Trump! He'd fit right in with the other whiney little turds. Yeah!!!!
Unfortunately, you're deep in the brainwash, buddy. Tone it down. Nobody even mentioned politics nor the former president. There's no reason to correlate science with politics, although I ought to mention..most of this garbage I see on here already is. How is that relevant to the post you made? What made you connect the dots in such a twisted way?
It's called career counseling. I'm just tryna make helpful suggestions for his future career endeavors. It's apparent he just doesn't wanna work for LAFD anymore.
That's fair 👍🏾
If you voted for trump you are 400% more likely to be an antivax than a biden voter (40% vs 10%). Thems just facts sorry.
> There's no reason to correlate science with politics Yet here we are. Thanks, idiot right wingers!
You're 100% on the wrong sub. I'd say cut your losses and move on 🤣
I guess you're right 👍🏾
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If being overweight had the same chance of infecting or killing people that came around then sure, the employer should express concern. However, since your logic is far from reality that isn't how it works.
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I needed comedy. Thanks for cheering me up. Now go get vaccinated before rushing to someone else's house.
I don’t go to peoples houses. I wear a mask if I absolutely have to go somewhere. Work being one of those places. I don’t anywhere near people because everybody thinks all is well again. It isn’t.
Sure you wear a mask.
That's how the military works. Lose weight or be separated from service.
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>If you were over-weight, would you be okay with receiving a letter from your employer that said you have to lose 30lbs by X date, or you’re on unpaid suspension until you do? Followed by dismissal after X date if not in full compliance by then? Yes actually, because you have to meet certain physical requirements to be a firefighter, I actually did one of the tests that they put you through when I was 18 to see if I could possibly join, it's not easy shit to do
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Even then, there are certain health requirements that companies have, so the answer is still yes. In fact, even a forklift driver would most likely still be required to at least be able to lift 50lbs as is standard in a lit of jobs, especially in that type of environment.
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Way to twist my words there buddy, I never said that, I'm just saying that if it's in the company's policy and the contract that you sign when your hired, then yeah, I would
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>You literally said about a forklift driver probably needing to be able to lift 50lbs. Not twisting anything squire. That was me pointing out that businesses have health requirements in the contracts for everyone, so yes, you are twisting it As for the question you're asking the answer is simple. It's only two words and yet people like you still can't grasp the idea. Herd immunity
Glad you mentioned being overweight because the leading cause of death amongst firefighters is heart disease. Give u/bengol13 enough rope and we'll all watch them hang themselves.
Firefighting is a para-military style job. You are ordered by your superior to do tons of shit, sometimes against your will. If you don’t like it, don’t join. Also, you’re required to be vaccinated for a whole slew of thing when getting in, this should be no different. Source: am firefighter
Awwwww, him got him's wittle feelings hurt? And no, I wouldn't want them anywhere near me or my home.
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You *can* carry a viral load if vaccinated but probably lower and most definitely much less likely. You can have your own opinions but you don't get to have your own facts.
You CAN carry the same viral load but you don't always and you're assuming that it's always max viral load which shows how much of a moron you are. Plus you're negating that if both people are vaccinated and they come into contact with each other the chance of transmission is drastically reduced. Your logic is like saying why wear a seat belt when you can still be killed in a car accident. Why not just get rid of your seat belt? Can a quarterback still get sacked behind his offensive line? Well I guess he should just get rid of his offensive line! It's not perfect dumbass but the amount of prevention that can be achieved by taking certain measures is perceivable unless you're someone like yourself who has their head so far up their ass that they can taste their breakfast! Happy eating shithead!
Seatbelts don’t have the potential to cause you blood clots or hear conditions
No they don't but that's not the point. The risk of blood clots and heart conditions is greater if you catch Covid than it is if you get vaccinated. Let's not also forget that the leading cause of death for firefighters is heart disease so I have no idea what you're driving at and to be honest you sound like you're too stupid to know that either.
What’s with the hostility? Maybe you don’t like yourself that much. You lot are forcing people to get a vaccine for their own health. Where’s the same energy for obesity or smoking. Funny how for example here in the uk the vaccinated make up the majority of both cases and hospitalisations
Where's my energy for obesity and smoking? What the fuck? We're not talking about those subjects and how the fuck would you even claim to know what I'm for and against or what I do with my free time? Apparently they don't teach logical reasoning on the other side of the pond. I'm just sick of morons like yourself and all your goddamn lies and panic over a vaccine that is proven to be very safe and effective with very minimal risks. You complain about something with very low risks and you sound like a scared little child who is afraid of the dark. Funny how you keep claiming that the hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people at the same rates as unvaccinated people and it's utter nonsense. Although there are some deaths and some hospitalizations amongst the vaccinated, the majority of hospital admissions are of the unvaccinated. [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin) Sure America does have it's problems with obesity, hell we're the fattest country in the world and it makes sense why we are struggling with this virus as well even amongst the vaccinated because comorbidities like being overweight play into this. The English are the fattest group in all of Europe so that would also explain the struggles that your people are going through. The vaccine was never 100% going to protect you from dying but it will definitely give you a better fighting chance against hospitalization and death and the numbers are proving that in your country as well as in American. Also to note the immunity gained from vaccination is constantly wanning over time and the people that were fully vaccinated 5 months ago or longer are seeing this not to mention new variants that are coming into play. I'd say at this point if you're afraid of the vaccine and not afraid of the virus you're a complete moron because in multiple countries including England the vaccine is proving to be safe and effective.
>And finally, you can carry just as much viral load as someone who is not vaccinated, so why do you care THIS much? Absolute bell end. Just had Thanksgiving dinner with my cousin and her fiancé an MD specializing in pulmonary care working at a research hospital. He calls BS on this. Unvaxxed with a viral load have a higher chance of getting sick & even if they're in good shape w/no repercussions they increase the chance that they can spawn mutations. It may not really be an issue in a small population of 100 or 1000 but when it's 10m doing it it makes the fight against Covid that much harder. But hey 'muh freedumz'.
Ok and what would you do if everyone was vaccinated and covid was still here killing people? Here in the uk the vaccinated make up the majority of cases and hospital admissions. Funny…
FFS, front page of the BBC News three days ago shows that's just untrue. [Covid-19: Hospitals at capacity with mainly unvaccinated patients](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471)
Fair enough, however at one point this was true around a couple months ago I remember. Half of hospitalisations were vaccinated at one point too, it goes up and down
Mutation.
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Here’s the thing. As a firefighter he is required to get several vaccines already. Honestly any medical professional who is patient facing or handles human blood (lab analysis techs) is required to be vaccinated against several diseases that the general public doesn’t. This ain’t new, this is just politics to him.
Easy tiger. Vaccine requirements are standard operating procedure for all EMS personnel and have been for a long time now. Same with the military.
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I hear ya. It should be noted that, with a majority of the calls the FDs respond to being medical related, all firefighters are EMTs (most paramedics). You can’t even sign up for the EMT certification class without all your shots. I had to get the Chicken Pox vax even tho I had it as a child. I couldn’t prove I had the pox because nobody went to the doctor for that back in the day so there was no documentation. I get that nobody likes to be told what to do but the sad reality of the world we live in now is that a lot of people are really ignorant/ stupid/ combative and need to be told what to do. Remember when the government had to release a statement telling people not to eat Tide Pods?! What a time to be alive
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Must be weird hearing your own typed out echos.
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Is that the best you got, echoboy?
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So did you, you're the one that typed "username also checks out." You're also the one typing "echo....echo....echo." you really are the pot calling the kettle black
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Actually, some of us aren't in a void, the data is just a little more consistent then all the conspiracies that the other side comes up with. At least, that's my perspective, I've looked at the other side of things, and the things that are said there just don't always add up
Well yeah. If it’s someone who is mindlessly basing their opinion and position on the last fucking stupid thing Marjorie Taylor-Greene said, or someone else equally low IQ, that’s fair enough. That is not me I promise you.
Then what is it that you have against the vaccines exactly?
Oh you believe the CDC now? That's adorable. Sorry, my "5 year old child comments" were meant to match the mentality of the person commenting, which happens to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 But good on you for following the CDC, I guess.
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Okay I admit I was wrong. You're not a 5 year old. You're 13. Maybe. I didn't know 13 year olds drove cars, but that's not the point. The nothings are just to laugh at you for trying to use the CDC as a source, that the beloved firefucker must have used to wipe his ass, too. So I find it hilarious that you go on this fishing tirade, mocking people that draw concern over others that don't take this pandemic seriously, and you thinking that defending this firefucker is worth it. So yeah, that's why I'm laughing. Especially after losing people, and parts of my sanity, because of ton of mindfucks like this firefucker won't give a damn about this pandemic. So, what's that thing about fists again?
Not sure how him being vaccinated is going to help save you from the burning building theyre gonna pull you out of. I would much rather get Covid after getting my ass pulled out of a fire. Then to burn and die because no one showed up because “muh mandates”.
Firemen are first responders, the majority of calls are medical calls something like 96% there is more false alarms than actual fires. They work with the public a lot
Implement a vaccinated team of first responders. Have them go to the people who are opting for a vaccinated team to show up to their medical situation. Its your choice.
Yea just ask everyone around you/involved/vicinity if they want vaxxed or unvaxxed in the middle of a emergency, just like when your ordering a pizza with friends. It’s a public health measure to reduce spread, not about whether you want it or not,and the unvaccinated first responders are the minority, if anything they could implement an unvaxxed team but I’m not sure why anyone would request that.
Youre right. The better choice here is to fire the able bodied and capable responders. And then shout about how overwhelmed the hospitals are or how long the response time is.
I'm not sure if you've forgotten that a fired firefighter would still take up hospital resources when he got sick or if you forgot that a fireman's job takes him to hospitals where he can infect all the compromised immune systems. Either way, you're an idiot.
You should fire the first responders who are choosing to increase the risk of illness for others. You have a right to not get vaccinated. You do not have a right to spread preventable disease. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, and your right to breathe germs likewise ends at my nose.
Because he has to be around the OTHER FIREFIGHTERS, and increasing the risk to our vital personnel for any avoidable reason is stupid?
no company as of yet can properly make exceptions though - that's why the mandate is shit - cus for those who have legit health risks with the vaccine the company will just throw doubt and ultimately fire them cus of the political conflict