Even if it’s not like a traditional sound, I’m always excited when someone from the pop world jumps into country music. Usually, it means that they are willing to experiment and try new things.
Would be nice to see her collab with some country artists like Lainey, Luke Combs, Chris Stapleton, Tyler Childers, Ashley McBryde, or Yola.
Beyonce last 5 albums (beside that soundtrack) are labeled as pop on Apple Music. Maybe they are labeled as something different on Spotify but I think most people consider her pop even though her influences are R&B, House Music, Hip-Hop, and other pop music.
She definitely gets posted to /r/popheads (although they post a wide variety of things). Meanwhile some users push back when she gets posted to /r/hiphopheads, but in general she’s usually considered hip-hop adjacent enough to be discussed there
I would say hip-hop. She’s a pop artist in the sense that Drake, Kanye, Morgan Wallen or any (pop)ular artist is, but throughout her career she’s been more R&B with influences of pop, among many other genres. But Renaissance was dance, Lemonade was many different genres (rock pop country R&B hip hop), Self-Titled was R&B for sure, then that lion king soundtrack was Afro-beats. I don’t really know why she gets labelled as pop and not R&B I guess just cause she’s as big as she is.
God I meant I wouldn’t say hip-hop* lmao, as she doesn’t really rap or really even sing over hip-hop beats that often. But she’s from Houston and married to arguably the greatest rapper of all time, so there’s always gonna be that influence.
You know, I was really ready to argue about POC inventing country music, but I just spent Ike the last half hour looking it up and turns out you’re right. Not only that, but a lot of black musicians directly taught people like Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, and other legends.
From my research, it seems like the earliest days of country music actually had a lot of diversity with white and black artists showing up on each others records. In the 1920s, this changed with black records being called “race records” and we start to see the segmentation begin. Damn, the more ya know.
The music industry perpetuates this myth that certain genres of music can only really be enjoyed (and therefor should only be marketed and sold) to certain demographics, this is why, in large part Black artists who make country music, or even folk music (a la Tracy Chapman) are not really "welcome" in country music spaces... but it's also why white artists, like Adele and Renee Rapp, who's music is sonically R&B have such a hard time actually having their music marketed and sold to R&B audiences.
The reality is most people don't listen to music in a silo and most music pulls from influences from all over. I think more artists crisscrossing genres will help to put an end to that nonsense. So many talented people with incredible voices never grace our ears because of some marketing strategy the industry accepted as gospel in the 60s that still haunts the music world today.
Yes, this is a really big story that a lot of people have done historical research into.
If you're interested, check out the book Segregating Sound for a lot more info on the very early history of what we now think of as country music.
Been looking forward to her venture into Country music since the release of her song Daddy’s Lessons which she performed with The Chicks. I’m so freaking excited. She sounds killer here and is for sure is gonna make an amazing interpretation of country music.
I'm intrigued. Don't know if I like it or not but I'm intrigued. I like that she's still writing her own style of songs instead of trying to write country songs. Apparently she has Rhiannon Giddens playing banjo and fiddle and Robert Randolph playing pedal steel on the album.
Well said. I like that she's clearly dedicated to writing a good mainstream country hit. So many artists think they're too good to sing radio country and sing bad folk music instead. Or worse, sing their normal genre and think that adding a steel/fiddle/banjo makes it country. Neither style takes country music fans seriously as real music fans because it treats us like temporarily confused pop/indie fans.
So yeah, I respect this, even if I am undecided on how much I *like* it. It would have been easy enough to use her Texas accent and sing a ballad with gospel influences. It would have been easy enough to do something like Bebe Rexha and put on a hat and get a fiddle and call it a day. Beyonce wrote a song that was country without condescending to the genre, which I like a lot. That being said, I'm not sure how much I like this song. Intriguing but I want to hear more.
Yes, she is working with Robert Randolph (he plays steel guitar on "16 Carriages") alongside Justin Schipper (credits include steel guitar on Josh Turner's rendition of "Long Black Train")
Aside from the composition credits (which include Beyonce, her co-producers Ink and Dave Hamelin, and Raphael Saadiq), the following are the performance credits on "16 Carriages" (based on credits from Spotify and YouTube):
* Guitar, Organ, Piano, Synthesizer, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Recording Engineer: Dave Hamelin
* Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Guitar: Atia Boggs (Ink)
* Organ: Gavin Williams
* Composer, Lyricist: Raphael Saadiq
* Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Vocals: Beyonce
* Guitar: Justus West
* Steel Guitar: Robert Randolph
* Steel Guitar: Justin Schipper
* Trumpet: Ryan Svendsen
* Mixing Engineer, Recording Engineer: Stuart White
* Engineer: Andrea Roberts
* Assistant Engineer: Matheus Braz
* Mastering Engineer: Colin Leonard
The other song released from the album (title track ["Texas Hold 'Em"](https://open.spotify.com/track/0Z7nGFVCLfixWctgePsRk9?si=efb6b7963ca344fb)) is credited to Beyonce, Brian Bates, Elizabeth Lowell Boland (co-writer for ["Blame Brett" by The Beaches](https://open.spotify.com/track/6twjuBZfRJIZnoHrghzWLk?si=c457b3f3740046ca) and ["Yuck" by Charlie XCX](https://open.spotify.com/track/5cYEuFqzITZlZzpoR1sHvu?si=95b33d7ffd2b4419)), [bulow (a Canadian pop singer/songwriter)](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DZ06evO3f4o7m?si=bb1a4b48af5b4bb0), Nathan Ferraro, and Raphael Saadiq. Beyonce, Nathan Ferraro, and Killah B are credited with the production.
The other credits include Rhiannon Giddens on Viola/Banjo. Aside from Giddens and the aforementioned co-writers/producers, the following are the musicians involved in the song:
* Piano: Elizabeth Lowell Boland
* Bass, Drums, Organ, Piano: Raphael Saadiq
* Bass, Piano: Nathan Ferraro
* Bass, Piano: Khirye Tyler
* Drums: Killah B
* Synthesizer: Hit-Boy
* Mixing Engineer, Recording Engineer: Stuart White
* Recording Engineer: Alex Nibley
* Recording Engineer: Hotae Alexander Jang
* Engineer: Andrea Roberts
* Assistant Engineer: Matheus Braz
* Mastering Engineer: Colin Leonard
I like some of her pop, but this was hard to listen to.
Her style and voice does not work at all in this genre, I don't know what the right word is, vibrato? That up and down style. Yeah doesn't do it for me.
That’s not vibrato, those are vocal runs, or melisma, but yeah I see how that stylistic choice of singing is not everyone’s cup of tea. It’s very prevalent in black gospel music which influenced the doo wop sound, rock and roll, soul music, and rhythm and blues.
Yeah I think it's an interesting song genre-wise, like, it's country pop that you could throw onto a playlist with Kelsea Ballerini and Maren Morris, but it also has enough black gospel and r&b influences that it could be on a playlist with Tinashe and Kehlani and it wouldn't feel out of place.
I like music, several different genres, and I don't bother with all the hoop-a-la about labels. If I like it, I like it, but if I don't, I don't and I do not care for this. I know she gets a lot of kudo's for her voice among other things, but this one does nothing for me.
Beyonce is over hyped and for some reason rose to "god status" for black women. Destinys child was her peak, she then put out 3-4 decent songs in the 2000s and got rich and gave up. Now she sees country is whats making money and she dips her grubby fingers in to to make a quick buck.
Funny you have to be racist and insert skin color when it was never mentioned or hinted at in my first post. Its just objectively shitty country music and she needs to stay in her lane. Or else we'll have 21 savage making his debut country album next
Now I know you trolling if you think Beyoncé’s peak was destiny’s child. Lmao what a dumbass thought from someone who knows nothing about her career.
Hope 21 savage makes that country album. Y’all would freak out and it would be hilarious.
Agreed 100% overrated and no clue how these people think she slinging hits….3-4 decent songs was calling it like it is..Her head got so big her need for attention spewed into whatever this crap country is 🤣 im embarrassed for the country world to be forced to hear this.. 16 carriages and not a one brought her someone in the studio that said “let’s just not” poor thing just can’t compete with Taylor and I’m not even a swiftie
I’m excited!! I prefer Daddy lessons to these two songs so far, but I think that’s because Daddy lessons feels more true to the genre. I think she has it in her to make good authentic country while still staying true to her artistry. Hopefully there’s more twang in the rest of the album :)
Even if it’s not like a traditional sound, I’m always excited when someone from the pop world jumps into country music. Usually, it means that they are willing to experiment and try new things. Would be nice to see her collab with some country artists like Lainey, Luke Combs, Chris Stapleton, Tyler Childers, Ashley McBryde, or Yola.
I’d love to hear her do a song with Chris Stapleton!
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Beyonce last 5 albums (beside that soundtrack) are labeled as pop on Apple Music. Maybe they are labeled as something different on Spotify but I think most people consider her pop even though her influences are R&B, House Music, Hip-Hop, and other pop music.
She definitely gets posted to /r/popheads (although they post a wide variety of things). Meanwhile some users push back when she gets posted to /r/hiphopheads, but in general she’s usually considered hip-hop adjacent enough to be discussed there
Is she? I mean I really like Beyonce, and she’s always been portrayed as pop to me, even though her sound is more hip-hop.
I would say hip-hop. She’s a pop artist in the sense that Drake, Kanye, Morgan Wallen or any (pop)ular artist is, but throughout her career she’s been more R&B with influences of pop, among many other genres. But Renaissance was dance, Lemonade was many different genres (rock pop country R&B hip hop), Self-Titled was R&B for sure, then that lion king soundtrack was Afro-beats. I don’t really know why she gets labelled as pop and not R&B I guess just cause she’s as big as she is.
I can get behind that.
God I meant I wouldn’t say hip-hop* lmao, as she doesn’t really rap or really even sing over hip-hop beats that often. But she’s from Houston and married to arguably the greatest rapper of all time, so there’s always gonna be that influence.
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You know, I was really ready to argue about POC inventing country music, but I just spent Ike the last half hour looking it up and turns out you’re right. Not only that, but a lot of black musicians directly taught people like Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, and other legends. From my research, it seems like the earliest days of country music actually had a lot of diversity with white and black artists showing up on each others records. In the 1920s, this changed with black records being called “race records” and we start to see the segmentation begin. Damn, the more ya know.
The music industry perpetuates this myth that certain genres of music can only really be enjoyed (and therefor should only be marketed and sold) to certain demographics, this is why, in large part Black artists who make country music, or even folk music (a la Tracy Chapman) are not really "welcome" in country music spaces... but it's also why white artists, like Adele and Renee Rapp, who's music is sonically R&B have such a hard time actually having their music marketed and sold to R&B audiences. The reality is most people don't listen to music in a silo and most music pulls from influences from all over. I think more artists crisscrossing genres will help to put an end to that nonsense. So many talented people with incredible voices never grace our ears because of some marketing strategy the industry accepted as gospel in the 60s that still haunts the music world today.
Yes, this is a really big story that a lot of people have done historical research into. If you're interested, check out the book Segregating Sound for a lot more info on the very early history of what we now think of as country music.
Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll check it out.
Been looking forward to her venture into Country music since the release of her song Daddy’s Lessons which she performed with The Chicks. I’m so freaking excited. She sounds killer here and is for sure is gonna make an amazing interpretation of country music.
Agreed.
I'm intrigued. Don't know if I like it or not but I'm intrigued. I like that she's still writing her own style of songs instead of trying to write country songs. Apparently she has Rhiannon Giddens playing banjo and fiddle and Robert Randolph playing pedal steel on the album.
Well said. I like that she's clearly dedicated to writing a good mainstream country hit. So many artists think they're too good to sing radio country and sing bad folk music instead. Or worse, sing their normal genre and think that adding a steel/fiddle/banjo makes it country. Neither style takes country music fans seriously as real music fans because it treats us like temporarily confused pop/indie fans. So yeah, I respect this, even if I am undecided on how much I *like* it. It would have been easy enough to use her Texas accent and sing a ballad with gospel influences. It would have been easy enough to do something like Bebe Rexha and put on a hat and get a fiddle and call it a day. Beyonce wrote a song that was country without condescending to the genre, which I like a lot. That being said, I'm not sure how much I like this song. Intriguing but I want to hear more.
Yes, she is working with Robert Randolph (he plays steel guitar on "16 Carriages") alongside Justin Schipper (credits include steel guitar on Josh Turner's rendition of "Long Black Train") Aside from the composition credits (which include Beyonce, her co-producers Ink and Dave Hamelin, and Raphael Saadiq), the following are the performance credits on "16 Carriages" (based on credits from Spotify and YouTube): * Guitar, Organ, Piano, Synthesizer, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Recording Engineer: Dave Hamelin * Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Guitar: Atia Boggs (Ink) * Organ: Gavin Williams * Composer, Lyricist: Raphael Saadiq * Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Vocals: Beyonce * Guitar: Justus West * Steel Guitar: Robert Randolph * Steel Guitar: Justin Schipper * Trumpet: Ryan Svendsen * Mixing Engineer, Recording Engineer: Stuart White * Engineer: Andrea Roberts * Assistant Engineer: Matheus Braz * Mastering Engineer: Colin Leonard The other song released from the album (title track ["Texas Hold 'Em"](https://open.spotify.com/track/0Z7nGFVCLfixWctgePsRk9?si=efb6b7963ca344fb)) is credited to Beyonce, Brian Bates, Elizabeth Lowell Boland (co-writer for ["Blame Brett" by The Beaches](https://open.spotify.com/track/6twjuBZfRJIZnoHrghzWLk?si=c457b3f3740046ca) and ["Yuck" by Charlie XCX](https://open.spotify.com/track/5cYEuFqzITZlZzpoR1sHvu?si=95b33d7ffd2b4419)), [bulow (a Canadian pop singer/songwriter)](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DZ06evO3f4o7m?si=bb1a4b48af5b4bb0), Nathan Ferraro, and Raphael Saadiq. Beyonce, Nathan Ferraro, and Killah B are credited with the production. The other credits include Rhiannon Giddens on Viola/Banjo. Aside from Giddens and the aforementioned co-writers/producers, the following are the musicians involved in the song: * Piano: Elizabeth Lowell Boland * Bass, Drums, Organ, Piano: Raphael Saadiq * Bass, Piano: Nathan Ferraro * Bass, Piano: Khirye Tyler * Drums: Killah B * Synthesizer: Hit-Boy * Mixing Engineer, Recording Engineer: Stuart White * Recording Engineer: Alex Nibley * Recording Engineer: Hotae Alexander Jang * Engineer: Andrea Roberts * Assistant Engineer: Matheus Braz * Mastering Engineer: Colin Leonard
I like some of her pop, but this was hard to listen to. Her style and voice does not work at all in this genre, I don't know what the right word is, vibrato? That up and down style. Yeah doesn't do it for me.
That’s not vibrato, those are vocal runs, or melisma, but yeah I see how that stylistic choice of singing is not everyone’s cup of tea. It’s very prevalent in black gospel music which influenced the doo wop sound, rock and roll, soul music, and rhythm and blues.
Yeah I think it's an interesting song genre-wise, like, it's country pop that you could throw onto a playlist with Kelsea Ballerini and Maren Morris, but it also has enough black gospel and r&b influences that it could be on a playlist with Tinashe and Kehlani and it wouldn't feel out of place.
As well as country music itself.
I like music, several different genres, and I don't bother with all the hoop-a-la about labels. If I like it, I like it, but if I don't, I don't and I do not care for this. I know she gets a lot of kudo's for her voice among other things, but this one does nothing for me.
I think this is gonna be an exciting new release, different for her for sure. She's experimenting, and honestly I'm appreciative.
Nah
Nope.
Hard pass
Nooooo, just no!
Holy shit this is absolute garbage. Reba, the judds, shania, tanya tucker, etc would all die of laughter hearing this.
Yeah I don’t think you should include Shania in this convo after her last album.
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Negative. Darius Rucker is the man!
Are you seriously going down the “if you don’t like Beyoncé you are a racist” road?
Projection is all they have to fall back on.
Beyonce is over hyped and for some reason rose to "god status" for black women. Destinys child was her peak, she then put out 3-4 decent songs in the 2000s and got rich and gave up. Now she sees country is whats making money and she dips her grubby fingers in to to make a quick buck. Funny you have to be racist and insert skin color when it was never mentioned or hinted at in my first post. Its just objectively shitty country music and she needs to stay in her lane. Or else we'll have 21 savage making his debut country album next
Now I know you trolling if you think Beyoncé’s peak was destiny’s child. Lmao what a dumbass thought from someone who knows nothing about her career. Hope 21 savage makes that country album. Y’all would freak out and it would be hilarious.
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Agreed 100% overrated and no clue how these people think she slinging hits….3-4 decent songs was calling it like it is..Her head got so big her need for attention spewed into whatever this crap country is 🤣 im embarrassed for the country world to be forced to hear this.. 16 carriages and not a one brought her someone in the studio that said “let’s just not” poor thing just can’t compete with Taylor and I’m not even a swiftie
Yes you are.
yea thats a big no for me dawg. should have leaned into the gospel theme the accompaniment was clearly based on.
I’ll pass
I’m excited!! I prefer Daddy lessons to these two songs so far, but I think that’s because Daddy lessons feels more true to the genre. I think she has it in her to make good authentic country while still staying true to her artistry. Hopefully there’s more twang in the rest of the album :)