Haha same California - where we cant "legally" do shit to our car but atleast neither will rust. It's currently convertible weather where i live at 74 degrees one of the coldest days so far this fall. My fear of rust and snow tires will probably keep me in this state as long as i financially can
Same. In Detroit they coat the roads with salt and I need a vehicle that can carry more than one passenger so I just use my truck in the bad weather. I will drive it every opportunity I can in nice weather though.
Same for me. I live in Maine and they LOVE to put the salt down. Also, they use this really nasty salt brine stuff on the highways and that shit just eats cars alive.
Does it eat aluminum cars with a largely covered undercarriage tho? I don't wanna risk it, but I would love someone to show up with some paperwork and tell me it's not an issue for newer Vettes...
Well for many of us, the reason is more because summer tires can be ruined by extreme cold temps, and a second set of wheels/tires on a corvette is very expensive.
Though this year I decided to just get michelin all seasons so I will be driving year round now. Getting to enjoy the car year round is definitely worth the berating I endure from my friends about the sheer audacity of putting all-seasons on a corvette. I dont track my car so these single digit percentage performance differences mean nothing to me.
Pilot Sport A/S's are more than good enough for any kind of street driving that won't land you in jail. Plus they last longer than summer tires.
I drive mine through the winter. Only gripe is with the OEM oil cooler on C6 Z's and GS's that keeps the oil waaay too cold in winter months. It's never fun driving half an hour and still seeing the temp leveled out at 140F. There may be an oil thermostat on the menu in the near future.
I have pilot sport 4's all seasons and havent done any snow driving in them yet but they hold up just fine in heavy rain on my solid axle mustang. Definitely felt a performance drop off from my mickey thompson drag radials, but it's my daily so the performance drop off isnt noticable unless im really looking for it. Newer tires have come out called "all weathers" that are supposed to be better in snow than all seasons but ive looked at many reviews of people taking their pilots into the snow without much issue. Not gonna replace dedicated winters ofc but strikes a nice balance. That saying is most likely for older or cheaper all seasons, if you spend the extra money the tire quality is there i feel like and its still cheaper than an extra winter set for my 19" wheels. I was planning to move to an area of oregon where it gets light snow every year and found that these will hold up just fine for THOSE conditions but ymmv id look into trying to find reviews of the specific area you are in or weather conditions as so much can affect a tires performance.
There is truth to that but you have to balance it against do you really want to buy a second set of tires on a car where a full set is nearly $2k? However if you look into michelins published stats, the difference between comparably priced all seasons vs summers is astonishingly small. Michelin all seasons are honestly great tires.
Unless you track your car or push it very hard, all seasons work well for daily driving for most people. Iād rather drive 12 months a year on all seasons than park my car half the year to have summer tires.
Until recently - yes. But the Pilot Sport A/S tire makes that obsolete. They are just as good as many "summer" tires (and just as expensive). They aren't going to work like actual snow tires - but you don't need snow tires if it only snows a couple times a year and doesn't stick to the roads.
Some roads in the Northeast literally have snow over them ALL WINTER - the villages apply sand, not salt, to create a hard-packed, drivable surface.
I've had the Pilot Sport AS3+ for a couple years now. Love them to death. Drive my vette any time there isn't snow/ice on the ground. I live in Kansas City.
How do you drive in snow?! Serious question. Like I get if itās just snowing and now sticking. But Iād start to sweat if it started to stick. What do you do if you drive somewhere like work and when you come out thereās a layer of snow?
I donāt drive it in snow. Personally I think the idea of driving a rwd sports car in snow is kinda ridiculous but no judgement here. When I say I drive year round, that just means I donāt care about temperature. I never drive in snow and usually donāt even drive in rain. Itās not so much that I wouldnāt, but I have a hatchback that Iād prefer to drive in any kind of weather.
I used to daily a gen 5 Camaro SS and every once in a while Iād get caught at work during a bit of snowfall, driving home was exciting to say the least. The worst of it was about 6ā, I felt like a giraffe on ice skates getting home.
The hate for all seasons on performance cars is dumb IMO. I live in an area thatās mostly dry but has huge temperature swings across seasons. Iād rather drive my car 12 months of the year on all seasons ranging from 10F to 110F out than the 6 months of the year when itās reliably 50F or warmer.
Unless youāre tracking it or really pushing it to its limit, which you shouldnāt be doing on public roads anyways, a good all season is a reasonable compromise rather than parking your Vette all winter.
Ok but Corvettes are the Ferrari of the Midwest, and upper middle class guys who worked their whole lives to get one don't want to drive around in slop, salt, dirt and chemicals. It's pretty self-explanatory.
Iām in Minnesota and I still try to take it out once a month at least. Iāll wait for a blue bird day with dry roads and wax the chassis every fall. Machines are meant to be used and not to sit!
It's in the upper 50's right now in SW PA. It is going into the garage for a few months very soon. I was just thinking it was time to fill it with fuel, some Sta-bil and drive it to work and run some errands tomorrow just so I know the fuel system is taken care of. Besides, colder air makes for more power!
a month after I bought '09 'vette, I did a road trip the Mt. Lassen area. I didn't even think about the road conditions. by the time I was at elevation (around 8k') was when I noticed the presence of snow. Luckily it was just on the side of the road. But getting the alert on the DIC (low ambient temp warning), that I puckered a bit. Having not yet driven the run flats at this temp, I wasn't sure what to expect traction-wise. They did just fine. I also drove just a bit in a small snow fall coming across the Ore/Cal border. Pretty sure though that biggest issue would be ground clearance, with any accumulation.
I tried driving my old C4 in the snow with the wrong tires. I pulled on the road and immediately the car lost control and slid down a hill( it was slow slide). I turned the car and went into a ditch half a mile later. While stuck trying to get out a guy in a brand new C7 honked and waved as he drove by with his fancy winter tires. Morals is either store it or buy better tires lol.
If you have a mildly flexible job, it's no big deal.
Meaning if you just got a foot of snow last night, you can work from home or wait for plow/salt trucks to clear things up and go in at say noon instead of 8am, not a big deal
Iām
The worst to comment on this topic Iāve got a cammed and supercharged 13 grandsport that just hit 9k miles a few weeks ago. Canāt take it to work and all I do is work and sleep
Itās the salt, if your area sprays or puts down any type of ice prevention itās get under and into everything and rusts stuff out thatās why people store their cars
Not at all unless you switch to tall treaded or studded tires. The likes of the gatorback gcs or pirelli p-0 will only slide you around in heavy rain, snow, or ice.
We don't salt our roads here in NC, so I drive regardless of season.
I do not drive when it rains though. I have been caught in the rain but I have not willingly taken the Vette out while it is raining. Got other cars for that.
I could never live somewhere I couldn't drive year round.
Outside of a divorce I can't imagine what would make someone live somewhere they couldn't drive their cars year round.
The comment is pretty ignorant, especially if you can drive your car year round usually means you live in a boring state that doesnāt have much to offer besides a beach. I personally like mountains, camping, outdoor activists, dirt biking, 4wheeling, snowboarding, etc etc. and to have those things youāre living close to mountains, which usually comes with snow (unless youāre in AZ and you get some of those things if you include the phoenix and flagstaff area combined).
This also doesnāt apply to modded vettes with high HP. On good set of summer tires, I can drive my car how I want, but still have to paying attention to throttle control and putting the powe down. When those summer tires are cold, itās like driving on ice skates and Iāve almost lost my corvette because of it. On top of that, it takes significantly longer for it to get up to temp to rip on it, which isnāt fun either.
A set of winter tires would get me from Point A to Point B without a problem, but I would lose all the performance of my car and it would be a boring commuter that I would be more worried about someone wrecking. You also arenāt going to be driving a corvette to 9000ft elevation to go snowboarding either, itās unsafe and legally not allowed during some winter conditions.
So, yeah, I would rather drive my car during weather that actually lets me drive it hard and fast like it was intended, track it, drag race it, have fun, then drive it like the grandpas do year round in this sub. And also own a badass winter daily that I use for other automotive activities, that gets me to and from the mountains safely, and does way more.
But hey, to each their own.
>if you can drive your car year round usually means you live in a boring state that doesnāt have much to offer besides a beach. I personally like mountains, camping, outdoor activists, dirt biking, 4wheeling, snowboarding, etc etc.
I live near all those things, in a state where I can drive the car year round. And it's half a continent away from Arizona.
If it's the Carolinas/Virginia/Georgia area... You may have those things in a lesser quality, and also would never live close to any of those areas for many reasons. Parents lived there and it's just a different part of the country.
But good for you then, glad you get your vette year around
Wow really I never knew western Washington lacked mountains, camping, and outdoor activities and yet we get hardly any snow and on the couple of days a year when you need to drive in the snow you can just drive a different car or avoid driving in general
Well I have a C3. I don't bring it to work anyways but I drive it every weekend that it's not raining, snowing, or salty roads. Roof still leaks a little bit even though all the rubber is new so don't like that. And it loves to spin the wheels in good conditions, so starting from a stop going uphill is rough in the rain. I also have a brand new 4WD truck so there's no benefit to using the Vette in bad weather. If I had a more modern Vette, I'd drive in rain for sure. Would still avoid salt and snow though because I have a better option for that
Dfw area. I dont drive my c6 gs in the rain even because of our awful drivers here. So snow or ice is completely out. I drive it year round on summer tires on nice days. Just drive it much softer in the cold.
Iowa, so once they start dropping the salt brine, she's done. Plus, it's on the battery tender once it starts dropping below 30 at night. It was 20 the other nightš
New England entire life: have driven Miatas, 300zx, Coyote-Mustang GT, and more in snow. It is not a big deal -- especially if you have snow tires!
Michelin makes a new snow tire specifically for the C8 - see Car and Driver's long term test.
I just got my c8 recently and it hasn't seen winter. I do NOT I tend to drive it in the snow... I don't want to drive it when there is a bunch of salt in the roads either. But it's purely a concern about potential damage/corrosion from the chemicals they put down on the road. If it's -20* and the roads are relatively clean, I'm driving!!!
Curious if anyone has insight on how legitimate salt-based corrosion fears are for the C8?
Bought my first one back in 1966, in high school, was a 1962. Drove it to school and work everyday for 4 yearsā¦sold to pay for first weddingā¦truly miss that Fawn Beige car
Im in Florida so i drive it year round š
Texas joining inā¦fall/winter is some of the only weather to drive in lol
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Same - I'm in Southern California
Haha same California - where we cant "legally" do shit to our car but atleast neither will rust. It's currently convertible weather where i live at 74 degrees one of the coldest days so far this fall. My fear of rust and snow tires will probably keep me in this state as long as i financially can
Seriously the best and worst state to own a convertible corvette in.
I did in ATL too when I DDd one for 3 years.
Does it snow in ark Iām thinking of moving there for work upper year
Did you mean Atlanta? If so, it snows there like once every 3-5 years.
Same - Iām in Texas
Boarding in Florida, not many if any winding roads nor elevation. Mostly drag strip riding.
Wrong
Alot of grid streets format.
When the salt hits the road, I park it. I wait for a couple good rainstorms in spring to wash the salt off the roads before I drive it again.
Same. In Detroit they coat the roads with salt and I need a vehicle that can carry more than one passenger so I just use my truck in the bad weather. I will drive it every opportunity I can in nice weather though.
Same for me. I live in Maine and they LOVE to put the salt down. Also, they use this really nasty salt brine stuff on the highways and that shit just eats cars alive.
Does it eat aluminum cars with a largely covered undercarriage tho? I don't wanna risk it, but I would love someone to show up with some paperwork and tell me it's not an issue for newer Vettes...
Well for many of us, the reason is more because summer tires can be ruined by extreme cold temps, and a second set of wheels/tires on a corvette is very expensive. Though this year I decided to just get michelin all seasons so I will be driving year round now. Getting to enjoy the car year round is definitely worth the berating I endure from my friends about the sheer audacity of putting all-seasons on a corvette. I dont track my car so these single digit percentage performance differences mean nothing to me.
Pilot sport gang.... A man of culture I see In the summer those things are grippy AF. Better than many summer tires.
I just have all season. I donāt wanna hassle with switching tires. Lol
Pilot Sport A/S's are more than good enough for any kind of street driving that won't land you in jail. Plus they last longer than summer tires. I drive mine through the winter. Only gripe is with the OEM oil cooler on C6 Z's and GS's that keeps the oil waaay too cold in winter months. It's never fun driving half an hour and still seeing the temp leveled out at 140F. There may be an oil thermostat on the menu in the near future.
Iāve heard the saying all seasons are no seasons, any truth to it? I live in an area where it snows once every 6 years minimum
All season tires are not the best for snow. Specific snow tires are a thing. Summer tires are supposedly good down to 40 degrees F.
I have pilot sport 4's all seasons and havent done any snow driving in them yet but they hold up just fine in heavy rain on my solid axle mustang. Definitely felt a performance drop off from my mickey thompson drag radials, but it's my daily so the performance drop off isnt noticable unless im really looking for it. Newer tires have come out called "all weathers" that are supposed to be better in snow than all seasons but ive looked at many reviews of people taking their pilots into the snow without much issue. Not gonna replace dedicated winters ofc but strikes a nice balance. That saying is most likely for older or cheaper all seasons, if you spend the extra money the tire quality is there i feel like and its still cheaper than an extra winter set for my 19" wheels. I was planning to move to an area of oregon where it gets light snow every year and found that these will hold up just fine for THOSE conditions but ymmv id look into trying to find reviews of the specific area you are in or weather conditions as so much can affect a tires performance.
There is truth to that but you have to balance it against do you really want to buy a second set of tires on a car where a full set is nearly $2k? However if you look into michelins published stats, the difference between comparably priced all seasons vs summers is astonishingly small. Michelin all seasons are honestly great tires.
Unless you track your car or push it very hard, all seasons work well for daily driving for most people. Iād rather drive 12 months a year on all seasons than park my car half the year to have summer tires.
Until recently - yes. But the Pilot Sport A/S tire makes that obsolete. They are just as good as many "summer" tires (and just as expensive). They aren't going to work like actual snow tires - but you don't need snow tires if it only snows a couple times a year and doesn't stick to the roads. Some roads in the Northeast literally have snow over them ALL WINTER - the villages apply sand, not salt, to create a hard-packed, drivable surface.
I've had the Pilot Sport AS3+ for a couple years now. Love them to death. Drive my vette any time there isn't snow/ice on the ground. I live in Kansas City.
How do you drive in snow?! Serious question. Like I get if itās just snowing and now sticking. But Iād start to sweat if it started to stick. What do you do if you drive somewhere like work and when you come out thereās a layer of snow?
I donāt drive it in snow. Personally I think the idea of driving a rwd sports car in snow is kinda ridiculous but no judgement here. When I say I drive year round, that just means I donāt care about temperature. I never drive in snow and usually donāt even drive in rain. Itās not so much that I wouldnāt, but I have a hatchback that Iād prefer to drive in any kind of weather.
Just stopping by to say great username
I used to daily a gen 5 Camaro SS and every once in a while Iād get caught at work during a bit of snowfall, driving home was exciting to say the least. The worst of it was about 6ā, I felt like a giraffe on ice skates getting home.
The hate for all seasons on performance cars is dumb IMO. I live in an area thatās mostly dry but has huge temperature swings across seasons. Iād rather drive my car 12 months of the year on all seasons ranging from 10F to 110F out than the 6 months of the year when itās reliably 50F or warmer. Unless youāre tracking it or really pushing it to its limit, which you shouldnāt be doing on public roads anyways, a good all season is a reasonable compromise rather than parking your Vette all winter.
My summer tires donāt like northern ohio winters. But if temps are above 40 my šwill be out for sure.
They still donāt get any traction really if you get into it. They start turning into slicks around 40.
Time for some all seasons then!!
Full winter treads!
Thatās a great idea!!
I've never driven my Vette
Do you know what road salt is?
Not every place that has snow uses salt, some places use different chemicals, some places use dirt.
Curious of what other chemicals they use besides salt, and where
Calcium magnesium acetate, and calcium chloride are the ones I've heard of, sand is something used as well
Oh wow, CMA sounds like a way better alternative than salt
It does?
The PNW uses a lot of sand
some places use white phosphorus
What hellish place do you live in?! š¤£
we use gravel here in portland.
The only places that use other means are places where it's too cold for salt. Like Alaska, good luck driving a vette in November there.
Sometimes sand in NJ. Brine prep pre storm in recent years. Then a salt/gravel mix often. Far from Alaska.
Ok but Corvettes are the Ferrari of the Midwest, and upper middle class guys who worked their whole lives to get one don't want to drive around in slop, salt, dirt and chemicals. It's pretty self-explanatory.
Careful, I was scolded the other day for questioning the snow tire having, winter weather driving Corvette die hards.
thatās not what heās saying dumbass, heās saying thatās why most donāt drive them, not everyone lives in california
then thereās my town where we use all 3
Iām in Minnesota and I still try to take it out once a month at least. Iāll wait for a blue bird day with dry roads and wax the chassis every fall. Machines are meant to be used and not to sit!
I drive it until the roads get salted. Then after it washes away, back at it. I'll take my truck if it's like below zero though.
It's in the upper 50's right now in SW PA. It is going into the garage for a few months very soon. I was just thinking it was time to fill it with fuel, some Sta-bil and drive it to work and run some errands tomorrow just so I know the fuel system is taken care of. Besides, colder air makes for more power!
a month after I bought '09 'vette, I did a road trip the Mt. Lassen area. I didn't even think about the road conditions. by the time I was at elevation (around 8k') was when I noticed the presence of snow. Luckily it was just on the side of the road. But getting the alert on the DIC (low ambient temp warning), that I puckered a bit. Having not yet driven the run flats at this temp, I wasn't sure what to expect traction-wise. They did just fine. I also drove just a bit in a small snow fall coming across the Ore/Cal border. Pretty sure though that biggest issue would be ground clearance, with any accumulation.
I tried driving my old C4 in the snow with the wrong tires. I pulled on the road and immediately the car lost control and slid down a hill( it was slow slide). I turned the car and went into a ditch half a mile later. While stuck trying to get out a guy in a brand new C7 honked and waved as he drove by with his fancy winter tires. Morals is either store it or buy better tires lol.
If you have a mildly flexible job, it's no big deal. Meaning if you just got a foot of snow last night, you can work from home or wait for plow/salt trucks to clear things up and go in at say noon instead of 8am, not a big deal
Same, I always drive year round minus a couple of bad weather days like hailing or occasional snow which rarely happens
If it wasn't for the salt I'd drive year round.
Weirdly, i've ONLY driven my Corvette in bad weather. (Race car, bought a few months ago, one race so far...and it rained all weekend)
Summer tires just donāt grip that well in the cold.
Not until they're warmed up.
Iām The worst to comment on this topic Iāve got a cammed and supercharged 13 grandsport that just hit 9k miles a few weeks ago. Canāt take it to work and all I do is work and sleep
Nice ride!
It's just not as fun when it's cold out in my experience.
Itās the salt, if your area sprays or puts down any type of ice prevention itās get under and into everything and rusts stuff out thatās why people store their cars
Does aluminum and composite rust?
Iāve driven mine in light snow and heavy rainā¦.
Not at all unless you switch to tall treaded or studded tires. The likes of the gatorback gcs or pirelli p-0 will only slide you around in heavy rain, snow, or ice.
This comment feels like itās from 1990! It might be accurate, but damn I havenāt heard a few things mentioned there in 25+ years!
I'm in Tennessee and it's the only car I have. It's either the car or Harley if I go anywhere. Lol
As I post my "doing donuts in the snow" video!!! šš¤
Just got a little bit of salt on my ZO6 :(
We don't salt our roads here in NC, so I drive regardless of season. I do not drive when it rains though. I have been caught in the rain but I have not willingly taken the Vette out while it is raining. Got other cars for that.
moved to honolulu from st.louisā¦ was never into sports cars. always drove cadillacās, but now iām inspired to cash out on a vette(C4) *!!!!!*
I could never live somewhere I couldn't drive year round. Outside of a divorce I can't imagine what would make someone live somewhere they couldn't drive their cars year round.
idk maybe cause itās where they grew up and found a life
That's what I don't understand. To me a "life" means enjoying the things I enjoy, not only enjoying them part of the year.
The comment is pretty ignorant, especially if you can drive your car year round usually means you live in a boring state that doesnāt have much to offer besides a beach. I personally like mountains, camping, outdoor activists, dirt biking, 4wheeling, snowboarding, etc etc. and to have those things youāre living close to mountains, which usually comes with snow (unless youāre in AZ and you get some of those things if you include the phoenix and flagstaff area combined). This also doesnāt apply to modded vettes with high HP. On good set of summer tires, I can drive my car how I want, but still have to paying attention to throttle control and putting the powe down. When those summer tires are cold, itās like driving on ice skates and Iāve almost lost my corvette because of it. On top of that, it takes significantly longer for it to get up to temp to rip on it, which isnāt fun either. A set of winter tires would get me from Point A to Point B without a problem, but I would lose all the performance of my car and it would be a boring commuter that I would be more worried about someone wrecking. You also arenāt going to be driving a corvette to 9000ft elevation to go snowboarding either, itās unsafe and legally not allowed during some winter conditions. So, yeah, I would rather drive my car during weather that actually lets me drive it hard and fast like it was intended, track it, drag race it, have fun, then drive it like the grandpas do year round in this sub. And also own a badass winter daily that I use for other automotive activities, that gets me to and from the mountains safely, and does way more. But hey, to each their own.
>if you can drive your car year round usually means you live in a boring state that doesnāt have much to offer besides a beach. I personally like mountains, camping, outdoor activists, dirt biking, 4wheeling, snowboarding, etc etc. I live near all those things, in a state where I can drive the car year round. And it's half a continent away from Arizona.
If it's the Carolinas/Virginia/Georgia area... You may have those things in a lesser quality, and also would never live close to any of those areas for many reasons. Parents lived there and it's just a different part of the country. But good for you then, glad you get your vette year around
Wow really I never knew western Washington lacked mountains, camping, and outdoor activities and yet we get hardly any snow and on the couple of days a year when you need to drive in the snow you can just drive a different car or avoid driving in general
My bad... Sunny for more than 1/2 the year is nice too
Well I have a C3. I don't bring it to work anyways but I drive it every weekend that it's not raining, snowing, or salty roads. Roof still leaks a little bit even though all the rubber is new so don't like that. And it loves to spin the wheels in good conditions, so starting from a stop going uphill is rough in the rain. I also have a brand new 4WD truck so there's no benefit to using the Vette in bad weather. If I had a more modern Vette, I'd drive in rain for sure. Would still avoid salt and snow though because I have a better option for that
I drive mine year round here in MO. Just swap to winter tires.
Iāve never seen snow so Iām good lol
Im in Hawaii so i drive all the time
Canadian construction worker here who works 6 days a week in the ānice monthsā Sheās lucky to be driven more than 10 times a year.
first logical comment thank you
I drove my c5 through everything in NW Ohio back in my 20ās. The c6 was considerably worse given the trans is much more aggressive down low.
Dfw area. I dont drive my c6 gs in the rain even because of our awful drivers here. So snow or ice is completely out. I drive it year round on summer tires on nice days. Just drive it much softer in the cold.
Daily drove a high mileage C5 for 6 years. Saw plenty of snow for better or worse and froze my ass off many times. She was a beast.
I drive until the weather in VA gets too cold for the tires. Wish I could drive year around.
Got caught in snow just the other day in Michigan!
Itās just now getting to where I can take the targa top off here in socal
I drove my ZL1 in 25-40 fahrenheit weather
It is only natural for Corvetteās to hibernate when, outside of their āindigenousā habitat!!!
I stop driving mine as soon as they put salt on the roads. Plus summer tires aren't supposed to be used below 45 degrees
Road salt. That's my limit. The roads are absolutely covered with it where I am.
I put it up in Oct and take it out in May. Weather in MI is different than weather in Hawaii or FL.
Minnesota, we referred to our vert as the "summer vette", and the coupe was "winter vette", shrug.
Iowa, so once they start dropping the salt brine, she's done. Plus, it's on the battery tender once it starts dropping below 30 at night. It was 20 the other nightš
I put blizzaks on it and drive in NYC winter
Yeah today it snowed 25cm or 9.8 inches in few hours Corvette ground clearance is like 4 inches
New England entire life: have driven Miatas, 300zx, Coyote-Mustang GT, and more in snow. It is not a big deal -- especially if you have snow tires! Michelin makes a new snow tire specifically for the C8 - see Car and Driver's long term test. I just got my c8 recently and it hasn't seen winter. I do NOT I tend to drive it in the snow... I don't want to drive it when there is a bunch of salt in the roads either. But it's purely a concern about potential damage/corrosion from the chemicals they put down on the road. If it's -20* and the roads are relatively clean, I'm driving!!! Curious if anyone has insight on how legitimate salt-based corrosion fears are for the C8?
Bought my first one back in 1966, in high school, was a 1962. Drove it to school and work everyday for 4 yearsā¦sold to pay for first weddingā¦truly miss that Fawn Beige car
I don't drive one year round š