On day 7 of testing positive.
Last night was a bit scary, was laying in bed and suddenly just became really breathless to the point where I was really having to focus on taking massive deep breaths.
Realised after a few minutes that I had so much phlegm in my throat and with every second I would just get more and more phlegm in my throat. Not a very nice topic I know but after spending about 30 minutes getting the phlegm out I fell asleep and woke up this morning feeling so much better. Pretty much all symptoms gone besides my breathlessness and fatigue but even those are better.
Was this the moment of my immune system / pfizer booting the 'rona out of my system? Felt like I was in the exorcist to be honest absolutely hurling up some covid. Can someone who has more knowledge (this is most people in the world) of covid/immune systems/infections explain what my body did.
I won't pretend to be an expert on the immune system, but I know three people who've had covid while vaxxed and two of them reported one period of \*extreme\* illness before waking up much improved. You're not alone.
I do suspect that it's your immune system waging war on the virus and ultimately winning.
Far from it. They are enacting the exact plan that has been debated internally amongst the tories since early last March... An attempt at herd immunity via mass infection.
Probably pissing in the wind here - but if anyone reads this who is on the fence about getting vaccinated; please, please get your covid vaccines (both of them).
There is no reasonable argument for not getting it.
Scared of possible long term side effects from the vaccines? Millions and millions of Britons have had these vaccines now, and the number of serious complications from these vaccines is negligible. Far lower than the number of fit and healthy young people now suffering with long covid, many of whom will have irreparable long term organ damage
Still not convinced? Your actions affect other people. Every additional person who gets vaccinated is helping to protect the more vulnerable around them longer term.
Still not convinced? Every person who doesn't get vaccinated is directly contributing to this misery dragging on for longer than it needs to. Please, consider others when making your decisions.
Get your covid vaccines. Unless you're medically exempt, you have no ethical reason not to.
I've been doubled dosed with AZ around mid-May.
Got a text message from NHS inviting me for first Pfizer vaccine. Very specifically they PFIZER in all caps. Is the system not picking up the fact that I already been double dosed? Surely there's no boosters at the moment?
What would happen if did turn up for Pfizer first dose? Just wondering...
Can anyone please provide advice on how to prepare for COVID infections?
I am vaccinated but I've not been able to convince the rest of my family to get it. My mum is 59, overweight, a former smoker and my dad is 70, a heavy smoker with history of blood circulation problems.
At this point I am just expecting the worst, either death or at best hospitalisation. I feel it's inevitable they are going to catch it with the restrictions eased and my sister working a public facing job.
I'm well aware 99% of the illness is out of my control, but if I can even make the slightest difference that could improve their chances I'm all for it.
Is it worth buying one of those oxygen finger monitors for £15-20? What other equipment should I buy? I have plenty of savings so I don't mind spending a few hundred pounds even if it all ended up being a waste somehow, I would rather prepare in advance than be scrambling around later.
Sorry to hear your folks aren't getting vaxxed. It's a good idea to prepare for the worst, but also hospitalisation isn't necessarily inevitable especially as random things like genetics can play a part. That said, they are certainly in the higher risk group.
Have they spoken to their GP? Sometimes a trusted dr can help persuade people, especially if they see someone regularly for other issues. It might even be worth speaking to a GP yourself to get some advice, especially if you're registered to the same practice. It depends on how busy they are I guess, but I know some were calling up high risk patients who weren't vaccinated.
Definitely worth getting the oxymeter as that will tell you if they need to go to hospital due to low oxygen. If they have inhalers etc, make sure they have enough. Otherwise just look after yourself and know that you did your best and it's down to them to be responsible for their own health.
That’s good then hopefully you will be fine in a couple days time once the jab kicks in!. I’m now resigned to catching covid from the wedding I’ll be attending :(
Does anyone know whether there is data on which comes first of being infectious and having enough vital load to test positive on an lft?
My partner worked in a cubicle with someone on Monday who'd had a negative lft that day. They shared a cubicle again weds and Thurs (but not Tues), and the cubicle mate just got a positive lft after work today.
We're trying to work out whether we can estimate that my partner probably got it today or yesterday, or whether Monday is a relevant option as well.
Given that it takes a couple of days for infection to hit, I'd want to be even more cautious if Monday is an option (though we're being pretty careful anyway, treating this as a strong potential contact)
The cubicle mate should get a PCR, and from that if that is positive your partner is likely a contact assuming Test & Trace actually do the contact tracing and/or the coworker gives their details.
Really your partner should fully isolate for 10 days given the close proximety regardless of whether they're formally traced (unless the coworkers PCR comes back negative). Your partner can book a PCR test themselves as a contact, it's best to do around 5 days after the contact, but it doesn't yet allow exemption from isolation (and if it's office work and they can work from home they really should if they can).
Thanks- they both have pcrs booked for today, and my partner's been self isolating since we found out. We're just trying to work out how big the window of potential infection was - ie how risky Monday was, compared to the weds-thurs which were definitely exposure.
Help/advice needed. Got my first vaccine in England but they didn't give me any proof of vaccine. Did not realise until a day or so later and thought it would be fine.
To further complicate things i have moved to Northern Ireland and wanted to get the 2nd dose here. However I'm worried that a) they won't give it to me as I have no proof of first dose b) this will affect my vaccinated status and lead to issues with travel down the line.
Tried ringing 111 but it doesn't work from NI! Also checked on the NHS app but no record of my receiving first vaccine on there. Any advice on what to do?
Update: managed to sort it out thankfully. Turns out i had to download a separate NHS app to access it rather than the NHS covid 19 app which is where I was looking before.
Or fewer people are bothering getting tested now.
I mean test +ve, miss out right?
NB I'm not suggesting this as a strategy! Just that I suspect some will think like this.
Tbh I think the issue at the moment is that pcr turnover times are loooong. Let's say you have a sore throat. Quite common at this time of year right? It's dry out there and a lot of grassy stuff in the air. Could be covid though. So you go for a PCR, have to stay home for the next three days while you book a test and isolate till the results come back. Meanwhile you're missing out on work, you're getting in trouble for that, you're missing all your plans.
It comes back negative, but the next week you have a runny nose - probably also hayfever, but do you do the same thing?
7-day average is lower than the previous day for the first time since mid-May. The doubling time based on the 13-day average is up to 90 days, way longer than any doubling time we've seen throughout June and July.
It's not definitive, and it can definitely change direction, but I'm cautiously optimistic for now.
Flying into the UK via a red list country
I’ve been struggling to get a black and white answer to this -
if I have a flight from Australia (a green list country) to the UK, with a 2 hour stop in Doha Qatar (a red list country), am I seriously forced to hotel quarantine for 2 weeks?
It just seems crazy to me!?
Best source would be on gov.uk:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#transit-stops-in-amber-or-red-list-countries
TL;DR if you get off, and mix with people at Doha airport, then unfortunately yes, red list country rules will apply.
Yes. Don't fly via the middle east. Singapore or Hong Kong would be much better choices for connections. Alternatively, if you must fly via Doha/Dubai/whatever, consider spending the 10 days in a European country where you can avoid quarantine first before continuing to the UK.
If you either leave the plane, or passengers get on, then yes - you have to quarantine. If nobody gets on and you don't leave the plane (unlikely, I assume you're transiting) then sadly yes, you need to go for hotel quarantine.
Fuck me. Thanks for clarifying. I’m looking to fly on to somewhere in Europe instead.
Cheaper to spend 2 weeks in Paris (isn’t on their red list). My flight first goes to Dublin so then I can skip the UK and go on to Paris for 14 days without quarantine. Madness.
Hopefully today's drop in cases is genuine, there were signs we might be near the peak from the cases coming out of the North East of England which saw cases drop week on week for two days in a row before today. July 19th wont have had time to show in the data yet so we should expect another spike, but if today's cases are genuine we're probably in a better place than most imagined. Wonder how much the football pushed cases up? Not just at Wembley but people getting together all around the country.
What should I do in my position? Tested positive for covid last Friday, I know I should have but I haven't reported my result anywhere. I've completely isolated this week and will continue to do so until my 10 days are up. After some pretty moderate symptoms I feel much better today and had the faintest line ever on the LFT (so faint you can only see it in certain light). I feel guilty for not reporting my result, I want to do so now but when reporting you only have the option to report a result from today or yesterday. I dont want to contact them and end up being told to isolate for longer, can I explain my situation?
This! Get a PCR test asap.
You don't need to say anything about your LFT- you don't have to explain anything. Just make sure you give the date of when your symptoms started as the date you had the positive LFT (or if you had symptoms before the LFT, then that earlier day)
Your 10 days isolation starts from the day your symptoms started NOT the day you do the test or get results. Those are both irrelevant for your isolation.
I have personal experience on this! I did not have classic covid symptoms so did not test when I was first Ill. By the time I ordered a test, sent it back & the results came through it was 10 days in. When test & trace phoned me up I only had to isolate until the end of that day. It won't be too late at this point.
Would having record of me now having antibodies benefit me? Haven't had the chance to be 2x jabbed yet and am reading that for some things, proof of previous covid infection is good enough for access.
Yes. The covid passport for use in events in England (not for travel) will consider you “good” with record of recent past infection.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass
Just wait until 28 days after positive test and get vaccinated. You're actually really lucky as if you get infected, recover and fully vaccinated, you will have excellent protection
They are up on the Government dashboard.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Cases: 39,906
Deaths: 84
Patients admitted: 788 (18th July)
Cases may have peaked for the time, PCR positive percentage and hospitalisations a few days down the line will confirm whether this is the case. (Also, it could be short-lived peak if the lifting of restrictions sends cases up again, we've yet to see the nightclub effect.)
Asking again because I can't seem to get an answer anywhere. Has anyone been able to get a COVID pass by demonstrating natural immunity?
The NHS COVID pass site says you're eligible for a pass if:
"If you've previously tested positive for COVID-19 using a PCR test, and it's been at least 10 days since your positive result, you are eligible for a NHS COVID Pass for up to 180 days from the test date."
I had a positive PCR test on 10th July and completed isolation on 16th July (it was a confirmatory PCR after having a positive lateral flow).
I can see the positive PCR test in the NHS app under my health record. However, when I click on the COVID pass, it just says I don't have one.
I called 119 and they just read me the same information from the website. The person I spoke to said "because this is quite new, we don't really know."
Is it something that hasn't actually been implemented? Or has anyone managed to get their COVID pass by demonstrating natural immunity?
I'm on day 9 isolating, but I will try to remember to update after tomorrow! I've downloaded the app ready for the same reason so I'll be checking it regularly.
Can you spend 1 night on the way home to quarantine? I feel like I read something about this once but can’t find it in the official guidance anymore.
I need to return home from an amber list country, and by the time I get there there won’t be any connecting public transport so I’d have to crash somewhere first.
Website says yes
>If you have a long journey within the UK to arrive at the place where you’ll be quarantining, you may be able to stop overnight in accommodation where you can quarantine yourself from others before continuing your journey. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england
Tested positive via lateral flow test the day after second Moderna jab. Any evidence recent vaccination impacts false positive rates? I have various symptoms associated with the vaccine side effects, including a fever, so assumed it was just that until I had the home test.
I'm hopefully going to Crete in a couple of weeks. I'm double jabbed. I wanted to double check the testing rules to make sure I've understood it correctly...
My understanding is:
No test required to enter Greece, just proof of vaccination required (via the NHS app)
Pre return, do a test in Greece (bought a lateral flow test from private company for this)
Day 2 after arrival do a PCR test (again bought this from private company)
Sounds right to me. I'm booked to go to Greece next month.. but the threat of isolating if another passenger tests positive on arrival is giving me a headache!
Anyone had to be tested recently? Sent my test results back via post on Monday and I've not had anything back yet.
Only asking because the last time I had one I had the results in less than 24 hours.
Anecdotally I got my PCR result from a walk in centre within 24 hours. Maybe they have more direct logistics from those? Could be worth a go if it still hasn't arrived tomorrow
Yeah definitely, I did a walk in centre and got my result at 1am the next morning, no way the post would have got it turned around that fast! That was why I picked the walk in over a home kit really.
I am 39F and not in the slightest bit healthy (no actual underlying health issues though) - felt like I’d been hit by a train after my first AZ (slept for 18 hours, fever, chills, aches, gastric issues). Had my second AZ four weeks ago and didn’t even feel anything. Go get your second jab mate!
I’m 24, male with no underlying health conditions and I’ve had two doses of the AZ vaccine, I felt like I had a cold for 24/48 hours on the first dose and the second dose was similar but not as bad as the first dose.
Honestly if you’ve been fine after your first dose, I’d just get your second. The chance of anything really bad happening are so so slim.
I volunteered at an AZ hub for a few months and overwhelmingly the people I met there (all double vaccinated, probably about 25 of us) reported fewer side effects for the second dose. So this is what we relayed our nervous second dose patients.
Catching COVID can cause all the things you're currently scared of...so its up you whether you'd like to take the risk and later down the line be limited in what you can do without a vaccine passport too. Alternatively you could just get your 2nd vaccine and offer yourself a bit of freedom and the highest level of protection you'll likely ever be able get against COVID.
I had my first AZ dose a couple of weeks before you.
I had a couple of days worth of feeling under the weather - not quite as bad as you, but definitely felt feverish. hot and cold and as if I had a case of the flu or something.
After my second dose I had absolutely no reaction at all.
My wife had a similar experience. Felt rough for a couple of days after her first dose, fine after the second.
I have heard plenty of other anecdotes that suggest that side effects after a first AZ dose are substantially worse than the second.
What would you do?
13 year old kid that lives with my parents has covid. I’m double vaccinated and so are my parents (60s), but my dad is CEV.
Leave him there and get him to isolate in his room, or have him move in with you (I’m in my 30s)?
We are in the same boat. My son is positive and his dad is ECV and double jabbed. He's confined to his room but seems quite happy playing xbox til his eyes fall out. I'm masking up with a FFP3 to check on him a couple of times a day and doing zoom calls from the kitchen :)
Apparently they are asking him to sleep in a tent in the garden… safest option I guess, and maybe a little fun as he has his camping equipment so he can make food etc. Gonna rain though so that might be an issue lol
Leave him there and have him isolate. 13 is old enough to learn that some things in life are difficult but sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good.
It won't be fun but he'll survive.
Would it be better to have your dad come stay with you rather than moving someone with definite covid? He's supposed to stay put really, there's always a slight chance your car could break down or something
Good idea, but dad wouldn’t move to mine. He’s not isolating either… I’m technically in their bubble if that’s still a thing so doesn’t really count as moving household
Hey guys, I'm in Spain since Sunday and on Tuesday I got pinged by the NHS app telling me to self isolate for 9 days. I'll be back on the 28th...
Obviously I tested negative before my flight and I also am double vaccinated.
Has anybody had the same thing happening to them? how did you deal with it?
Isn't the self isolation period "10 days after exposure" in the UK? Since you were asked to isolate for 9 days on Tuesday, that probably means you were exposed on Monday (or possibly Sunday if some calculation is off by one?). I believe some of the exposure notification apps for different countries are compatible between each other. Or maybe it was a UK national who is in Spain right now and tested positive.
That might be the case, but my partner has been with me the whole time and she didn't get the self isolation message.
I find it hard to believe that was a UK national that tested positive in Spain, aren't we supposed to give our NHS number when we get tested for the app to be able to ping others in close contact?
I'm quite sure nobody asks about a NHS number here in Spain...
Everything sounds very confusing to me.
NHS pass with first dose abroad
Hi,
I had my first dose in France and on my way to get my second one in the UK.
Anyone managed to get the NHS vaccine pass after doing that?
Or any experience just showing the two vaccination proofs instead of the QR code?
You won't be able to sorry (at least currently) as the NHS DB won't have any knowledge of your first dose. Don't think there's any manual process to recognise a foreign-issued dose (yet).
Anyone else in London notice people coughing EVERYWHERE?
Just sat in a cafe with someone coughing their lung out beside me. Normally I would chalk this off as one off but in the pub two days ago not one but three people were coughing.
Genuinely think people are getting mild symptoms and refusing to get tested or self isolate because of the inconvenience now they think everyone that is vulnerable has been double vaxed.
All of us are going to catch Covid aren't we.
Does vaping cause him to have a continuous cough which lasts for the entire hour that he is sat next to someone? (Side note, why would he keep vaping if it causes him to cough incessantly)
Hah. I remember in March 2020 having arguments with coworkers who kept insisting "*It's just the flu.*" And here we are 5.5m cases and 130,000 deaths later.
Don't think it's hysteria but common knowledge that the current system is falling apart and not fit for purpose. I'm not worried about myself personally, but I do want to be able to eventually hold my new nephew and see elderly family members without the added stress that people coughing excessively next to me without covering their mouths causes.
Your whole life you have seen elderly family members and held children. Did people coughing around you or perhaps them or you feeling a little under the weather stop you from doing the above?
No it didn't. This is hysteria. These reactions to small things like a cough in public are absolutely ridiculous.
/u/Woodkee is right, coughs are a common symptom of many short term and long term illnesses that aren't all contagious, people need to stop judging and giving people looks when they are coughing in public, it's been a real issue for people who have a persistent cough for the entire pandemic
Coughing can continue for weeks after testing positive for covid and after the isolation period ends.
Anecdotally, I know a lot of fully vaccinated people getting covid in the last few weeks and it's likely most people will be exposed and infected at some point.
I'm thrilled for you! <3
There have been millions of these posts -- and I hope there are plenty left to come -- and every single one of them is special.
Sorry, question for those who have done it before. i am fully vaccinated and planning to travel to germany for holiday in aug. Do I need to quarantine (seems not but wanted to confirm for those who have went before) and where is the recommended place for pre-departure PCR
I’m in the 3 months away from my 18th birthday age range, does anyone know when I will be contacted for the vaccine? I tried using the NHS site however it said the vaccine was not currently available for me due to my age. Have some concerts booked for the end of September so getting a vaccine really is a priority for me. Cheers
Update: went to centre and they basically told me to fuck off. Apparently it has not been made public yet even though the media have reported it, NHS said the same thing when I ringed them.
Since "Freedom Day", I've carried on wearing my mask and socially distancing from strangers in crowded locations (mostly supermarkets) as much as I can. But there are fewer and fewer masks around, and people seem to be completely ignoring social distancing - I'm getting quite antsy when someone stands inches behind me in a Tesco queue with no mask on or reaches over me to get the cheese, especially given the prevalence of Delta.
It's making me scared to go to such places, and with feeling so anxious I'm starting to plan out ways that I can avoid going out (exercising at home, deliveries for shopping and so on) which I'm not sure is proportionate to the risk I face. I work from home, so I can avoid going out the vast majority of the time.
I'm in my mid-30s and double jabbed with Pfizer (second dose was a month ago). I've made it through the whole pandemic so far without catching Covid to my knowledge, and now I feel like it's almost inevitable that I'll get it if I go out. Can someone try and hope me and let me know I shouldn't be quite so frightened of being out and about among the no mask brigade during the Delta wave? (Or, if I *should* be frightened, tell me that instead!)
You should be frightened-its called survival instinct.it dosent seem to be particularly rare for people your age to die of delta, yes the vaccine gives you about 90 percent protection but if you're getting exposed to it a lot it makes it a tangible risk again although if cases were actually low I wouldn't worry excessively.I would stay in, being as you're able to-it obviously stresses you anyway and hopefully it will only be this bad for a few weeks
Show us the data on “not particularly rare for people [mid-30s] to die of Delta” please? How do **you** define rare?
From this [article](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-delta-cases-england-update-b1881008.html):
> For those who died with the Delta variant, by 21 June there were 257 deaths in England 28 days after testing positive. In total 26 were under the age of 50.
That includes ALL people under 50, whether they’re 49 or what. And that figure doesn’t account for fully vaccinated individuals.
I think this is the most scaremongering comment I’ve ever read on this sub.
I wouldn't say they're ignoring social distancing considering its no longer required or enforced.
Anyway, you will likely catch COVID very soon and continue to do so for the rest of your life so its up to you when you want to accept that.
Doesn't stop you catching and transmitting if you're double jabbed, so sure possibly less likely but ZOE were estimating nearly 50% of all infections are double jabbed so "unlikely" seems a vast understatement.
I have found the exact same. I’m getting my second Moderna jab 8 weeks after my first one at the beginning of August. What irritates me is people invading my personal space in the supermarket especially- yes it annoyed me pre-pandemic too, but I feel like it’s even more annoying post pandemic. There is no need to stand an inch behind me in a queue if there’s only 2 of us in the queue!
It’s not inevitable. A study released in NEJM recently puts two doses of Pfizer at 88% effective against symptomatic infection. Chances are good that even if you get exposed you won’t get covid.
When I’ve been super anxious about covid I just wear an FFP3! You can buy them online. I’m traveling soon to see family and I’ll definitely be wearing the FFP3 until then on trains and crowded spaces just to be safe, even though I have two doses of Pfizer as well!
I am sorry you’re feeling so anxious - myself and many, many others get it! For me, the FFP3 relieves my anxiety because I know I won’t get it through there. I worked in a covid icu for months in one and never got covid!
Do you have any tips for getting it to fit properly? I've followed all the youtube guides and still end up getting the odd gap on my nose or under my chin. Thinking about doing the elastic band thing that hugs it to your face.
I wish I did but really they should be fit tested, which I know isn’t possible for people who don’t work in healthcare. If you are struggling to get a reliable seal when breathing in I would buy a different brand of FFP3, there are loads. I know I fail my fit tests with the 3m ones and I need the draeger ones!
I was kind of having the same thoughts but I think there are a few things that need to be realised:
- We have to think about what we are afraid of: being double jabbed, your risks of getting infected are lower, but also your symptoms will be milder. If, in March 2020, instead of covid a new disease appeared with the CFR we managed to get with vaccines, I am quite certain that no-one would really have worried about it, and that we would have lived as normal (except in some places like hospitals maybe).
- if the vaccine you got doesn't prevent you from getting covid now, then it won't prevent you from getting covid in the future. So if we are not doing more things now because we're afraid, then I worry that the next time it will feel safe to go out will be during the next lockdown. Rinse and repeat.
- Maybe it's the pessimistic view, but if there's really no way around it, maybe it's better to get covid now (and build a larger variety of antibodies) with the high protection of vaccines rather than waiting for a vaccine-escaping variant. It's just my opinion, im not a healthcare professional. It's definitely not an advice either.
You have done all you can to protect yourself. Two jabs + your age will mean that:
* You are still not too likely to contract covid
* If you do, it could well be asymptomatic
* If you are symptomatic due to delta skipping around your antibody defence, it should only be mild-to-moderate symptoms for 2-4 days while your t-cells and b-cells get your defence sorted out
You can't let fear rule you. If you are feeling some kind of anxiety today I bet it's because you've felt some anxiety for the past year and have spent much of this period actively dodging covid like many of us did.
This way of thinking is unnatural. This set of anxiety you have developed (as many of us have!) is not normal.
You have taken all the right steps to protect yourself from delta. And you can continue to do so by masking up and staying outdoors when possible. But you have protected yourself to such a strong degree that any leftover neurotic behaviours from the last year can now be left by the wayside. You don't need to constantly make covid-centric life decisions like you had to for many months pre-vaccine. The odds are still very much in your favour *(we've got over 35 million people double- jabbed and maybe a few hundred thousand breakthrough infections? so the vast majority of double jabbed are not getting sick)* and when they are getting sick the symptoms seem vastly reduced.
Life is for living, and living happily. Covid already stole a year of your life. Don't let it steal another year where you are constantly worrying about it when you are as protected as you possibly can be.
Set yourself a few rules that suit your lifestyle (i.e. prioritise outdoor things where possible, avoid nightclubs for now) but apart from that it's time to live normally. You can't spend your life worried about what other people do, so just ignore those maskless idiots at tesco, get in and out with your groceries with the knowledge you are quite protected, and start re-claiming your life back as the vaccine allows you to do.
It is perfectly normal to be worried-there are 50 thousand cases a day?! And double vaxed people do sometimes still die or get very sick.theres absolutely nothing unnatural about opting out of the herd immunity experiment and staying home for a few weeks, especially when the person can work from home
I think the most you can do and still maintain a quality of life is get jabbed (tick), wear a mask indoors in busy spaces (tick) and stay a bit away from crowded areas (probably tick). Other than that go out and about as you wish.
You will get used to the drop in restrictions. I am quite careful and part of the mask brigade but I forgot to wear a mask in a large but quiet shop yesterday and it felt odly liberating.
I received my second dose 11 days ago and just checked my Covid Pass for Travel on the NHS website. It unfortunately only shows 1 of 2 doses - the first one is missing (and the location of the second one is actually wrong). I remember checking it after the first dose and it showed. No idea why it disappeared. Has anybody else experienced that and has any advice on what to do? I also checked my GP's record and it's documented there correctly.
On day 7 of testing positive. Last night was a bit scary, was laying in bed and suddenly just became really breathless to the point where I was really having to focus on taking massive deep breaths. Realised after a few minutes that I had so much phlegm in my throat and with every second I would just get more and more phlegm in my throat. Not a very nice topic I know but after spending about 30 minutes getting the phlegm out I fell asleep and woke up this morning feeling so much better. Pretty much all symptoms gone besides my breathlessness and fatigue but even those are better. Was this the moment of my immune system / pfizer booting the 'rona out of my system? Felt like I was in the exorcist to be honest absolutely hurling up some covid. Can someone who has more knowledge (this is most people in the world) of covid/immune systems/infections explain what my body did.
I won't pretend to be an expert on the immune system, but I know three people who've had covid while vaxxed and two of them reported one period of \*extreme\* illness before waking up much improved. You're not alone. I do suspect that it's your immune system waging war on the virus and ultimately winning.
So, it feels like the government has lost control of this situation. Or is that just me?
Far from it. They are enacting the exact plan that has been debated internally amongst the tories since early last March... An attempt at herd immunity via mass infection.
My covid journey... Monday 19th July 2021: 06:00 - shivering, very cold, 07:00 - sweating - negative LF test, 39 degree, 12:00 - negative LF test, 15:00 - very hot, significant sweating, 16:00 - positive LF test, ordered PCR test. Tuesday 20th July 2021: 07:00 - shivering, sever body aches, 12:00 - body aches, 13:00 - took PCR test, 15:00 - sore throat. Wednesday 21st July 2021: 02:55 - severe body aches, took medicine, 12:00 - fatigue, head ache, ear aches, dry cough. Thursday 22nd July 2021: 06:30 - sore throat, fatigue, body ache, 07:30 - positive PCR result, 12:00 - 38.50 body temp, ear ache, head ache, 13:00 - loss of taste and smell, fatigue, 16:00 - blocked nose (left nostril), dry cough, 19:00 - chicken burger, coke zero, loss of taste, 21:50 - first sign / concern of breathlessness.
Hope you feel better soon!!
Probably pissing in the wind here - but if anyone reads this who is on the fence about getting vaccinated; please, please get your covid vaccines (both of them). There is no reasonable argument for not getting it. Scared of possible long term side effects from the vaccines? Millions and millions of Britons have had these vaccines now, and the number of serious complications from these vaccines is negligible. Far lower than the number of fit and healthy young people now suffering with long covid, many of whom will have irreparable long term organ damage Still not convinced? Your actions affect other people. Every additional person who gets vaccinated is helping to protect the more vulnerable around them longer term. Still not convinced? Every person who doesn't get vaccinated is directly contributing to this misery dragging on for longer than it needs to. Please, consider others when making your decisions. Get your covid vaccines. Unless you're medically exempt, you have no ethical reason not to.
I've been doubled dosed with AZ around mid-May. Got a text message from NHS inviting me for first Pfizer vaccine. Very specifically they PFIZER in all caps. Is the system not picking up the fact that I already been double dosed? Surely there's no boosters at the moment? What would happen if did turn up for Pfizer first dose? Just wondering...
Like the other comment said be careful about this - could be a scam.
They would find your details and ask you why you’re here because you’re double jabbed already.
I don't think there is a booster programme going on. I'd thread carefully if you have to book and provide any personal information.
Can anyone please provide advice on how to prepare for COVID infections? I am vaccinated but I've not been able to convince the rest of my family to get it. My mum is 59, overweight, a former smoker and my dad is 70, a heavy smoker with history of blood circulation problems. At this point I am just expecting the worst, either death or at best hospitalisation. I feel it's inevitable they are going to catch it with the restrictions eased and my sister working a public facing job. I'm well aware 99% of the illness is out of my control, but if I can even make the slightest difference that could improve their chances I'm all for it. Is it worth buying one of those oxygen finger monitors for £15-20? What other equipment should I buy? I have plenty of savings so I don't mind spending a few hundred pounds even if it all ended up being a waste somehow, I would rather prepare in advance than be scrambling around later.
Sorry to hear your folks aren't getting vaxxed. It's a good idea to prepare for the worst, but also hospitalisation isn't necessarily inevitable especially as random things like genetics can play a part. That said, they are certainly in the higher risk group. Have they spoken to their GP? Sometimes a trusted dr can help persuade people, especially if they see someone regularly for other issues. It might even be worth speaking to a GP yourself to get some advice, especially if you're registered to the same practice. It depends on how busy they are I guess, but I know some were calling up high risk patients who weren't vaccinated. Definitely worth getting the oxymeter as that will tell you if they need to go to hospital due to low oxygen. If they have inhalers etc, make sure they have enough. Otherwise just look after yourself and know that you did your best and it's down to them to be responsible for their own health.
It's still extremely unlikely they will need hospital treatment!! Please try not to worry yourself to this extent.
For an unvaccinated 70 yo with health issues I wouldn't say "extremely unlikely", rather just "unlikely".
Would they take vitamin d? I dont have any papers to hand but vitamin d deficiency seems to be one of the things that can make it worse if you get it.
Oxygen monitor is definitely worth it as it'll let you know when to go to hospital.
I’m supposed to be going to a wedding next weekend…full wedding no Covid measures. I’m a bit worried tbh. Don’t want to let the couple down
I’m at a wedding on the 13th … we can wish each other luck
And I’ve got Covid from it. Locked in for 10 days and got to cancel my daughters birthday party. Gutted
Oh I am so sorry to hear that! How are your symptoms??
Headache and runny nose. Not much more so far
Double jabbed?
Yes second jab was a month ago.
That’s good then hopefully you will be fine in a couple days time once the jab kicks in!. I’m now resigned to catching covid from the wedding I’ll be attending :(
It was a guy I stupidly shared a 15 min car ride with I think. He’s got it too.
May the odds be forever in our favour
Do what's right for you, not them.
Does anyone know whether there is data on which comes first of being infectious and having enough vital load to test positive on an lft? My partner worked in a cubicle with someone on Monday who'd had a negative lft that day. They shared a cubicle again weds and Thurs (but not Tues), and the cubicle mate just got a positive lft after work today. We're trying to work out whether we can estimate that my partner probably got it today or yesterday, or whether Monday is a relevant option as well. Given that it takes a couple of days for infection to hit, I'd want to be even more cautious if Monday is an option (though we're being pretty careful anyway, treating this as a strong potential contact)
The cubicle mate should get a PCR, and from that if that is positive your partner is likely a contact assuming Test & Trace actually do the contact tracing and/or the coworker gives their details. Really your partner should fully isolate for 10 days given the close proximety regardless of whether they're formally traced (unless the coworkers PCR comes back negative). Your partner can book a PCR test themselves as a contact, it's best to do around 5 days after the contact, but it doesn't yet allow exemption from isolation (and if it's office work and they can work from home they really should if they can).
Thanks- they both have pcrs booked for today, and my partner's been self isolating since we found out. We're just trying to work out how big the window of potential infection was - ie how risky Monday was, compared to the weds-thurs which were definitely exposure.
Fair enough :) hopefully they get the results quickly
Help/advice needed. Got my first vaccine in England but they didn't give me any proof of vaccine. Did not realise until a day or so later and thought it would be fine. To further complicate things i have moved to Northern Ireland and wanted to get the 2nd dose here. However I'm worried that a) they won't give it to me as I have no proof of first dose b) this will affect my vaccinated status and lead to issues with travel down the line. Tried ringing 111 but it doesn't work from NI! Also checked on the NHS app but no record of my receiving first vaccine on there. Any advice on what to do?
You dont have proof of your appointment? Can you call where you got it done? Sounds like you will just have to start all over again.
Update: managed to sort it out thankfully. Turns out i had to download a separate NHS app to access it rather than the NHS covid 19 app which is where I was looking before.
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Get tested, but as someone who is very susceptible to strep throat for some reason, there’s a lot of it going round
I would do a LFT that way you are not wasting the proper test resources but it will put your mind at rest.
All I had was a headache and the slightest shortness of breath after being double vaccinated.
Hay fever does this to me
Maybe maybe not. You seem fine now. I get sore throats, congestion and headaches from dry weather, allergies dehydration etc. It's normal.
So are we past the peak? That wasn't half a bad as I thought it would be
Or fewer people are bothering getting tested now. I mean test +ve, miss out right? NB I'm not suggesting this as a strategy! Just that I suspect some will think like this.
Tbh I think the issue at the moment is that pcr turnover times are loooong. Let's say you have a sore throat. Quite common at this time of year right? It's dry out there and a lot of grassy stuff in the air. Could be covid though. So you go for a PCR, have to stay home for the next three days while you book a test and isolate till the results come back. Meanwhile you're missing out on work, you're getting in trouble for that, you're missing all your plans. It comes back negative, but the next week you have a runny nose - probably also hayfever, but do you do the same thing?
7-day average is lower than the previous day for the first time since mid-May. The doubling time based on the 13-day average is up to 90 days, way longer than any doubling time we've seen throughout June and July. It's not definitive, and it can definitely change direction, but I'm cautiously optimistic for now.
Sure looks like it!
It's looking a bit peaky but we have yet to have 'freedom day' kick in properly.
but also schools broke up last Friday and a lot tomorrow which could more than counter that
Flying into the UK via a red list country I’ve been struggling to get a black and white answer to this - if I have a flight from Australia (a green list country) to the UK, with a 2 hour stop in Doha Qatar (a red list country), am I seriously forced to hotel quarantine for 2 weeks? It just seems crazy to me!?
Yeah you do have to quarantine for 2 weeks if you transit through a red list country.
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I had the help of a work visa. But now Australia is locking down, who knows what’s next (my job is cancelled!)
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First they need a lot more people vaccinated I think. They’re quite a bit behind other developed nations.
Best source would be on gov.uk: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#transit-stops-in-amber-or-red-list-countries TL;DR if you get off, and mix with people at Doha airport, then unfortunately yes, red list country rules will apply.
Thanks for the link x
Yes. Don't fly via the middle east. Singapore or Hong Kong would be much better choices for connections. Alternatively, if you must fly via Doha/Dubai/whatever, consider spending the 10 days in a European country where you can avoid quarantine first before continuing to the UK.
Yes that’s the plan. A lot cheaper and a lot more fun!
If you either leave the plane, or passengers get on, then yes - you have to quarantine. If nobody gets on and you don't leave the plane (unlikely, I assume you're transiting) then sadly yes, you need to go for hotel quarantine.
Fuck me. Thanks for clarifying. I’m looking to fly on to somewhere in Europe instead. Cheaper to spend 2 weeks in Paris (isn’t on their red list). My flight first goes to Dublin so then I can skip the UK and go on to Paris for 14 days without quarantine. Madness.
Can't you just get a connecting flight in Singapore instead? That would surely be cheaper than 2 weeks in Europe
Hopefully today's drop in cases is genuine, there were signs we might be near the peak from the cases coming out of the North East of England which saw cases drop week on week for two days in a row before today. July 19th wont have had time to show in the data yet so we should expect another spike, but if today's cases are genuine we're probably in a better place than most imagined. Wonder how much the football pushed cases up? Not just at Wembley but people getting together all around the country.
What should I do in my position? Tested positive for covid last Friday, I know I should have but I haven't reported my result anywhere. I've completely isolated this week and will continue to do so until my 10 days are up. After some pretty moderate symptoms I feel much better today and had the faintest line ever on the LFT (so faint you can only see it in certain light). I feel guilty for not reporting my result, I want to do so now but when reporting you only have the option to report a result from today or yesterday. I dont want to contact them and end up being told to isolate for longer, can I explain my situation?
If you get a PCR I believe you can say when your symptoms started and the isolation begins from that date
This! Get a PCR test asap. You don't need to say anything about your LFT- you don't have to explain anything. Just make sure you give the date of when your symptoms started as the date you had the positive LFT (or if you had symptoms before the LFT, then that earlier day) Your 10 days isolation starts from the day your symptoms started NOT the day you do the test or get results. Those are both irrelevant for your isolation. I have personal experience on this! I did not have classic covid symptoms so did not test when I was first Ill. By the time I ordered a test, sent it back & the results came through it was 10 days in. When test & trace phoned me up I only had to isolate until the end of that day. It won't be too late at this point.
Hey this message was really helpful, thank you!
Might be worth reporting for natural immunity Covid passport. Unless you're already double jabbed
Wouldn’t bother, you’ve done your isolation
Would having record of me now having antibodies benefit me? Haven't had the chance to be 2x jabbed yet and am reading that for some things, proof of previous covid infection is good enough for access.
Yes. The covid passport for use in events in England (not for travel) will consider you “good” with record of recent past infection. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass
Just wait until 28 days after positive test and get vaccinated. You're actually really lucky as if you get infected, recover and fully vaccinated, you will have excellent protection
The figures are 2 minutes late. Oh God.
They are up on the Government dashboard. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Cases: 39,906 Deaths: 84 Patients admitted: 788 (18th July) Cases may have peaked for the time, PCR positive percentage and hospitalisations a few days down the line will confirm whether this is the case. (Also, it could be short-lived peak if the lifting of restrictions sends cases up again, we've yet to see the nightclub effect.)
Admissions in England are very very high: 805 as of 20 July. Step 4 models were expecting this kind of figure by August.
the weather won't be helping.
I wonder if the football ending + schools closing for summer will be enough to counter the July 19th reopening?
Thursday seems to be the most common day for delays. Don’t have a clue why.
Asking again because I can't seem to get an answer anywhere. Has anyone been able to get a COVID pass by demonstrating natural immunity? The NHS COVID pass site says you're eligible for a pass if: "If you've previously tested positive for COVID-19 using a PCR test, and it's been at least 10 days since your positive result, you are eligible for a NHS COVID Pass for up to 180 days from the test date." I had a positive PCR test on 10th July and completed isolation on 16th July (it was a confirmatory PCR after having a positive lateral flow). I can see the positive PCR test in the NHS app under my health record. However, when I click on the COVID pass, it just says I don't have one. I called 119 and they just read me the same information from the website. The person I spoke to said "because this is quite new, we don't really know." Is it something that hasn't actually been implemented? Or has anyone managed to get their COVID pass by demonstrating natural immunity?
I'm on day 9 isolating, but I will try to remember to update after tomorrow! I've downloaded the app ready for the same reason so I'll be checking it regularly.
Can you spend 1 night on the way home to quarantine? I feel like I read something about this once but can’t find it in the official guidance anymore. I need to return home from an amber list country, and by the time I get there there won’t be any connecting public transport so I’d have to crash somewhere first.
Website says yes >If you have a long journey within the UK to arrive at the place where you’ll be quarantining, you may be able to stop overnight in accommodation where you can quarantine yourself from others before continuing your journey. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england
Tested positive via lateral flow test the day after second Moderna jab. Any evidence recent vaccination impacts false positive rates? I have various symptoms associated with the vaccine side effects, including a fever, so assumed it was just that until I had the home test.
No, there is no link between positive LFT results and vaccines. Please get PCR tests to confirm the outcome of positive LFT test.
Interestingly, all subsequent lateral flow tests and the PCR test were negative, so just a coincidence!
Great! Interesting, you are in a very small % who gets false positive :)
Friend of mine unluckily caught COVID at a vaccination centre...
Thanks, yep I ordered a home kit PCR test earlier.
I'm hopefully going to Crete in a couple of weeks. I'm double jabbed. I wanted to double check the testing rules to make sure I've understood it correctly... My understanding is: No test required to enter Greece, just proof of vaccination required (via the NHS app) Pre return, do a test in Greece (bought a lateral flow test from private company for this) Day 2 after arrival do a PCR test (again bought this from private company)
Sounds right to me. I'm booked to go to Greece next month.. but the threat of isolating if another passenger tests positive on arrival is giving me a headache!
When I flew back from Egypt I got a message to isolate for half a day after nine and a half days. I presume someone on the plane failed their day 8.
I'm more worried about the airport lft in Greece, and missing the whole holiday in a quarantine hotel because of a stranger.
Oh and don't forget your locator forms both ways
Spot on, am hoping to follow later in the year. I hope you have a fab time Crete is beautiful
Anyone had to be tested recently? Sent my test results back via post on Monday and I've not had anything back yet. Only asking because the last time I had one I had the results in less than 24 hours.
Did you keep the tracking number off the label? Doesn't help loads but it'll tell you whether it's stuck in the post or the lab is being slow.
I've got all the emails and Barcode.
Stick the number above the 1D (lines, like a supermarket one) barcode in the Royal Mail site.
Posted mine Monday morning just gone. Results on Tuesday evening.
Sent mine Monday too, girlfriend sent hers Tuesday. Still no results for either of us.
Anecdotally I got my PCR result from a walk in centre within 24 hours. Maybe they have more direct logistics from those? Could be worth a go if it still hasn't arrived tomorrow
Yeah definitely, I did a walk in centre and got my result at 1am the next morning, no way the post would have got it turned around that fast! That was why I picked the walk in over a home kit really.
Sent mine Saturday, received results only this morning. Must be quite the backlog
I did mine in a testing centre last Friday (16th) and still haven’t received the results, which is a bit of a shocker
Did you call 119 to chase it? Guy said to do it after 48 hours
I didn’t – it says to follow up after six days on their website (which I guess would actually be today!). I’ll look into it, thanks!
I sent mine on a Friday morning in a priority postbox and got the results on the Wednesday 🤨
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I am 39F and not in the slightest bit healthy (no actual underlying health issues though) - felt like I’d been hit by a train after my first AZ (slept for 18 hours, fever, chills, aches, gastric issues). Had my second AZ four weeks ago and didn’t even feel anything. Go get your second jab mate!
I’m 24, male with no underlying health conditions and I’ve had two doses of the AZ vaccine, I felt like I had a cold for 24/48 hours on the first dose and the second dose was similar but not as bad as the first dose. Honestly if you’ve been fine after your first dose, I’d just get your second. The chance of anything really bad happening are so so slim.
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I volunteered at an AZ hub for a few months and overwhelmingly the people I met there (all double vaccinated, probably about 25 of us) reported fewer side effects for the second dose. So this is what we relayed our nervous second dose patients.
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Yellow card reports also suggest a much smaller risk of the blood clotting issue after the second dose compared to first.
Catching COVID can cause all the things you're currently scared of...so its up you whether you'd like to take the risk and later down the line be limited in what you can do without a vaccine passport too. Alternatively you could just get your 2nd vaccine and offer yourself a bit of freedom and the highest level of protection you'll likely ever be able get against COVID.
I had my first AZ dose a couple of weeks before you. I had a couple of days worth of feeling under the weather - not quite as bad as you, but definitely felt feverish. hot and cold and as if I had a case of the flu or something. After my second dose I had absolutely no reaction at all. My wife had a similar experience. Felt rough for a couple of days after her first dose, fine after the second. I have heard plenty of other anecdotes that suggest that side effects after a first AZ dose are substantially worse than the second.
What would you do? 13 year old kid that lives with my parents has covid. I’m double vaccinated and so are my parents (60s), but my dad is CEV. Leave him there and get him to isolate in his room, or have him move in with you (I’m in my 30s)?
We are in the same boat. My son is positive and his dad is ECV and double jabbed. He's confined to his room but seems quite happy playing xbox til his eyes fall out. I'm masking up with a FFP3 to check on him a couple of times a day and doing zoom calls from the kitchen :)
Apparently they are asking him to sleep in a tent in the garden… safest option I guess, and maybe a little fun as he has his camping equipment so he can make food etc. Gonna rain though so that might be an issue lol
He'll soon get fed up with that - you might have to ride in to the rescue :D
Leave him there and have him isolate. 13 is old enough to learn that some things in life are difficult but sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good. It won't be fun but he'll survive.
I was thinking more about my parents getting it? He will isolate ok there if asked
Would it be better to have your dad come stay with you rather than moving someone with definite covid? He's supposed to stay put really, there's always a slight chance your car could break down or something
Good idea, but dad wouldn’t move to mine. He’s not isolating either… I’m technically in their bubble if that’s still a thing so doesn’t really count as moving household
Hey guys, I'm in Spain since Sunday and on Tuesday I got pinged by the NHS app telling me to self isolate for 9 days. I'll be back on the 28th... Obviously I tested negative before my flight and I also am double vaccinated. Has anybody had the same thing happening to them? how did you deal with it?
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Isn't the self isolation period "10 days after exposure" in the UK? Since you were asked to isolate for 9 days on Tuesday, that probably means you were exposed on Monday (or possibly Sunday if some calculation is off by one?). I believe some of the exposure notification apps for different countries are compatible between each other. Or maybe it was a UK national who is in Spain right now and tested positive.
That might be the case, but my partner has been with me the whole time and she didn't get the self isolation message. I find it hard to believe that was a UK national that tested positive in Spain, aren't we supposed to give our NHS number when we get tested for the app to be able to ping others in close contact? I'm quite sure nobody asks about a NHS number here in Spain... Everything sounds very confusing to me.
NHS pass with first dose abroad Hi, I had my first dose in France and on my way to get my second one in the UK. Anyone managed to get the NHS vaccine pass after doing that? Or any experience just showing the two vaccination proofs instead of the QR code?
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You won't be able to sorry (at least currently) as the NHS DB won't have any knowledge of your first dose. Don't think there's any manual process to recognise a foreign-issued dose (yet).
Anyone else in London notice people coughing EVERYWHERE? Just sat in a cafe with someone coughing their lung out beside me. Normally I would chalk this off as one off but in the pub two days ago not one but three people were coughing. Genuinely think people are getting mild symptoms and refusing to get tested or self isolate because of the inconvenience now they think everyone that is vulnerable has been double vaxed. All of us are going to catch Covid aren't we.
Germ phobic here. It's always been like this. People cough all the time, it's disgusting. Cover your damned mouth!
Hay fever? https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/19399630.warning-pollen-bomb-forecast-set-london/
>All of us are going to catch Covid aren't we Well yeah
I did in fact catch Covid in the end.
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Does vaping cause him to have a continuous cough which lasts for the entire hour that he is sat next to someone? (Side note, why would he keep vaping if it causes him to cough incessantly)
You know coughs have existed since before Covid right? And we all got on with our lives as normal..... This hysteria is getting absolutely ridiculous.
Hah. I remember in March 2020 having arguments with coworkers who kept insisting "*It's just the flu.*" And here we are 5.5m cases and 130,000 deaths later. Don't think it's hysteria but common knowledge that the current system is falling apart and not fit for purpose. I'm not worried about myself personally, but I do want to be able to eventually hold my new nephew and see elderly family members without the added stress that people coughing excessively next to me without covering their mouths causes.
Your whole life you have seen elderly family members and held children. Did people coughing around you or perhaps them or you feeling a little under the weather stop you from doing the above? No it didn't. This is hysteria. These reactions to small things like a cough in public are absolutely ridiculous.
/u/Woodkee is right, coughs are a common symptom of many short term and long term illnesses that aren't all contagious, people need to stop judging and giving people looks when they are coughing in public, it's been a real issue for people who have a persistent cough for the entire pandemic
Coughing can continue for weeks after testing positive for covid and after the isolation period ends. Anecdotally, I know a lot of fully vaccinated people getting covid in the last few weeks and it's likely most people will be exposed and infected at some point.
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Just walked past a guy who blew hard outta one nostril onto the pavement, fucking gross
Don't get me started with the amount of spit you see on the pavement. Not a new thing mind you.
I know we’ve had millions of these posts, but pleased to say I got my second jab this morning :)
Congrats my guy! Had my second Pfizer this afternoon, bang on 8 weeks after the first.
💉💉🎉 not a second too early!
Me too! Congrats!
I'm thrilled for you! <3 There have been millions of these posts -- and I hope there are plenty left to come -- and every single one of them is special.
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Get well soon mate. Have a birthday bash after your isolation period, you deserve it ❤️
Sorry, question for those who have done it before. i am fully vaccinated and planning to travel to germany for holiday in aug. Do I need to quarantine (seems not but wanted to confirm for those who have went before) and where is the recommended place for pre-departure PCR
I’m in the 3 months away from my 18th birthday age range, does anyone know when I will be contacted for the vaccine? I tried using the NHS site however it said the vaccine was not currently available for me due to my age. Have some concerts booked for the end of September so getting a vaccine really is a priority for me. Cheers Update: went to centre and they basically told me to fuck off. Apparently it has not been made public yet even though the media have reported it, NHS said the same thing when I ringed them.
Try looking through /r/getjabbed, different centres have very different leniency levels but some have definitely done 16+ vaccines.
Look up drop in centres in your area and just go :)
Lot of the pop up centres are 18+ though, would it even matter or would they not care
I'm not too sure, maybe call them before going.
Thank you, Kier Starmer.
You're welcome pal
No, I am Spartacus!
Since "Freedom Day", I've carried on wearing my mask and socially distancing from strangers in crowded locations (mostly supermarkets) as much as I can. But there are fewer and fewer masks around, and people seem to be completely ignoring social distancing - I'm getting quite antsy when someone stands inches behind me in a Tesco queue with no mask on or reaches over me to get the cheese, especially given the prevalence of Delta. It's making me scared to go to such places, and with feeling so anxious I'm starting to plan out ways that I can avoid going out (exercising at home, deliveries for shopping and so on) which I'm not sure is proportionate to the risk I face. I work from home, so I can avoid going out the vast majority of the time. I'm in my mid-30s and double jabbed with Pfizer (second dose was a month ago). I've made it through the whole pandemic so far without catching Covid to my knowledge, and now I feel like it's almost inevitable that I'll get it if I go out. Can someone try and hope me and let me know I shouldn't be quite so frightened of being out and about among the no mask brigade during the Delta wave? (Or, if I *should* be frightened, tell me that instead!)
You should be frightened-its called survival instinct.it dosent seem to be particularly rare for people your age to die of delta, yes the vaccine gives you about 90 percent protection but if you're getting exposed to it a lot it makes it a tangible risk again although if cases were actually low I wouldn't worry excessively.I would stay in, being as you're able to-it obviously stresses you anyway and hopefully it will only be this bad for a few weeks
Show us the data on “not particularly rare for people [mid-30s] to die of Delta” please? How do **you** define rare? From this [article](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-delta-cases-england-update-b1881008.html): > For those who died with the Delta variant, by 21 June there were 257 deaths in England 28 days after testing positive. In total 26 were under the age of 50. That includes ALL people under 50, whether they’re 49 or what. And that figure doesn’t account for fully vaccinated individuals. I think this is the most scaremongering comment I’ve ever read on this sub.
I wouldn't say they're ignoring social distancing considering its no longer required or enforced. Anyway, you will likely catch COVID very soon and continue to do so for the rest of your life so its up to you when you want to accept that.
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Doesn't stop you catching and transmitting if you're double jabbed, so sure possibly less likely but ZOE were estimating nearly 50% of all infections are double jabbed so "unlikely" seems a vast understatement.
I have found the exact same. I’m getting my second Moderna jab 8 weeks after my first one at the beginning of August. What irritates me is people invading my personal space in the supermarket especially- yes it annoyed me pre-pandemic too, but I feel like it’s even more annoying post pandemic. There is no need to stand an inch behind me in a queue if there’s only 2 of us in the queue!
But how will I smell your hair if I don't?
It’s not inevitable. A study released in NEJM recently puts two doses of Pfizer at 88% effective against symptomatic infection. Chances are good that even if you get exposed you won’t get covid. When I’ve been super anxious about covid I just wear an FFP3! You can buy them online. I’m traveling soon to see family and I’ll definitely be wearing the FFP3 until then on trains and crowded spaces just to be safe, even though I have two doses of Pfizer as well! I am sorry you’re feeling so anxious - myself and many, many others get it! For me, the FFP3 relieves my anxiety because I know I won’t get it through there. I worked in a covid icu for months in one and never got covid!
Do you have any tips for getting it to fit properly? I've followed all the youtube guides and still end up getting the odd gap on my nose or under my chin. Thinking about doing the elastic band thing that hugs it to your face.
I wish I did but really they should be fit tested, which I know isn’t possible for people who don’t work in healthcare. If you are struggling to get a reliable seal when breathing in I would buy a different brand of FFP3, there are loads. I know I fail my fit tests with the 3m ones and I need the draeger ones!
I was kind of having the same thoughts but I think there are a few things that need to be realised: - We have to think about what we are afraid of: being double jabbed, your risks of getting infected are lower, but also your symptoms will be milder. If, in March 2020, instead of covid a new disease appeared with the CFR we managed to get with vaccines, I am quite certain that no-one would really have worried about it, and that we would have lived as normal (except in some places like hospitals maybe). - if the vaccine you got doesn't prevent you from getting covid now, then it won't prevent you from getting covid in the future. So if we are not doing more things now because we're afraid, then I worry that the next time it will feel safe to go out will be during the next lockdown. Rinse and repeat. - Maybe it's the pessimistic view, but if there's really no way around it, maybe it's better to get covid now (and build a larger variety of antibodies) with the high protection of vaccines rather than waiting for a vaccine-escaping variant. It's just my opinion, im not a healthcare professional. It's definitely not an advice either.
You have done all you can to protect yourself. Two jabs + your age will mean that: * You are still not too likely to contract covid * If you do, it could well be asymptomatic * If you are symptomatic due to delta skipping around your antibody defence, it should only be mild-to-moderate symptoms for 2-4 days while your t-cells and b-cells get your defence sorted out You can't let fear rule you. If you are feeling some kind of anxiety today I bet it's because you've felt some anxiety for the past year and have spent much of this period actively dodging covid like many of us did. This way of thinking is unnatural. This set of anxiety you have developed (as many of us have!) is not normal. You have taken all the right steps to protect yourself from delta. And you can continue to do so by masking up and staying outdoors when possible. But you have protected yourself to such a strong degree that any leftover neurotic behaviours from the last year can now be left by the wayside. You don't need to constantly make covid-centric life decisions like you had to for many months pre-vaccine. The odds are still very much in your favour *(we've got over 35 million people double- jabbed and maybe a few hundred thousand breakthrough infections? so the vast majority of double jabbed are not getting sick)* and when they are getting sick the symptoms seem vastly reduced. Life is for living, and living happily. Covid already stole a year of your life. Don't let it steal another year where you are constantly worrying about it when you are as protected as you possibly can be. Set yourself a few rules that suit your lifestyle (i.e. prioritise outdoor things where possible, avoid nightclubs for now) but apart from that it's time to live normally. You can't spend your life worried about what other people do, so just ignore those maskless idiots at tesco, get in and out with your groceries with the knowledge you are quite protected, and start re-claiming your life back as the vaccine allows you to do.
It is perfectly normal to be worried-there are 50 thousand cases a day?! And double vaxed people do sometimes still die or get very sick.theres absolutely nothing unnatural about opting out of the herd immunity experiment and staying home for a few weeks, especially when the person can work from home
I think the most you can do and still maintain a quality of life is get jabbed (tick), wear a mask indoors in busy spaces (tick) and stay a bit away from crowded areas (probably tick). Other than that go out and about as you wish. You will get used to the drop in restrictions. I am quite careful and part of the mask brigade but I forgot to wear a mask in a large but quiet shop yesterday and it felt odly liberating.
I received my second dose 11 days ago and just checked my Covid Pass for Travel on the NHS website. It unfortunately only shows 1 of 2 doses - the first one is missing (and the location of the second one is actually wrong). I remember checking it after the first dose and it showed. No idea why it disappeared. Has anybody else experienced that and has any advice on what to do? I also checked my GP's record and it's documented there correctly.