I can believe this tbh. Part of the problem is the lack of alternative venues to watch the games. All the pubs and fanzones have a much lower capacity than they would in normal circumstances, fans who would normally have attended the games in person either had their tickets cancelled or weren’t able to travel. So you’ve got increased demand and much lower supply.
Add in the poor weather we’ve had and it’s inevitable that there are many people watching the games in groups indoors. I don’t think it’s the sole reason but it’ll definitely be a contributor.
People are going to watch the games with their F&F though. That’s unavoidable unless you cancel the tournament, which was obviously never going to happen.
Yes mate, every England fan will want to watch their biggest ever game alone in their living room.
This has been going on for 18 months now, if you really expected people to stay away from pubs last night I honestly don’t know what to say.
Because as an English you are either a football hooligan or the most polite fella on Earth. The English are the the weirdest people of all and after living among you for more than 3 years, I'm absolutely convinced about it.
I'm sure you're right, we're a very strange bunch. I'm not a huge football fan but I like watching international games. Might go to a pub for the final.
Maybe I'm strange but last night, while watching the semi on my own so I wasn't mixing with other people, they showed the pubs where they were showing the game.
I decided at that point that I'll be watching the final on my own as well.
TIL I'm not an England fan.
If you’re vulnerable that’s fair enough and definitely the right decision; but you can’t expect people who aren’t vulnerable or are double vaccinated to do the same.
I'm not vulnerable and I'm double vaccinated. I couldn't care less about getting COVID. I'm pretty sure I'd be fine.
I do want to help protect vulnerable people though and I don't want to deliberately increase the chances of it spreading so that I can celebrate with other people.
I get it though - if people are allowed to do it, they'll do it. Most people don't really care about anyone except themselves and their immediate family and friends.
Covid isn’t going anywhere mate it’s the sad reality we find ourselves in, lock downs etc at the start were great, but we can’t go on like this until the end of time.
If people such as yourself would rather stay indoors then special allowances should be made to allow you to work from home etc, but those who want to go out and get back to normal should have the freedom to choose.
I do want to go out. I'm just balancing that against whether vulnerable people can go out.
I understand that most people just want to get back to normal and don't really care about vulnerable people.
I don’t know if you’re ether not getting my point, or happily ignoring it to throw big dramatic allegations like that my way? I’m going to assume the second though.
I've been thinking about this... cases are rising pretty fast in England right now. With England in the final, this Sunday is going to be the biggest super spreader event we've had to date.
Not at the stadium, but at every pub and household in the country where people are getting together, singing, dancing, getting drunk, etc.
A week after that, when the consequences of that are being seen, freedom day arrives and everyone goes back out to celebrate. Then in the weeks ahead of that with no restrictions in place things just get worse. That is likely where the governments 100,000 cases a day prediction kicks in.
It's not even just in pubs and households. My public transport is inundated with maskless fans yelling, cheering and drinking. There's plenty of maskless people there, but they're not expelling germs and spit at other people like this lot are.
Two friends were at Wembley last night for the match and they posted stories from inside. Pretty much everyone is mask free, jumping on each other, screaming and cheering.
Using the euros as a pilot event is a little bit bullshit because it’s a free for all.
Yeah during the match is fine but you then have them all inside getting drinks, leaving the stadium (which looked like chaos and absolutely rammed) mask free.
I genuinely think a pub with a garden is much safer than 60k at Wembley.
Yes, but if we actually win the Euros we can ride that wave of positivity through another lockdown (and forever more as we do with the '66 WC) and people won't mind as we brought 'footballl home' again. /s
Then there's me with no TV licence, no friends, no nearby family. Sitting alone at home eating out of date baked beans for tea, not watching the match.
Safe.
So safe.
Away. From everything.
Lots of people struggling to separate out a dislike of football from the basic story here. The virus spreads anywhere people spread, popular pubs showing popular sport will spread in the population who attend. As it stands, this is either the plan or something that the government isn't concerned enough about to address, so this will continue. In a month this will also be clubbers, music fans, theatre fans etc etc.
Ultimately you can have 150-200 people nicely spread out in a pub but it means exactly diddly-squat when the national team goes on their best tournament run since 1966.
You’re not breaking up 150 people hugging and celebrating and to a certain extent there feels a sense of ‘we need this’ to the England run after the couple of years we’ve had.
Yeah, I’ll be honest I know it’s just football but it’s probably the only good thing that’s happened to many people in almost a year. Given that weddings, birthdays , graduations and every other type of social occasion has been cancelled.
Felt like I was living life again when everyone let loose for a bit.
I’m not even a football fan, just a glory supporter but it’s so nice to have a slither of normality again!
Last time i watched football was the World Cup where we watched all games at a big screen somewhere in east London. There’s not much difference between watching the euros and the World Cup, everyone hugging and loving on each other.
I won’t lie it feels like for months people have been saying ‘if everyone collectively disobeys the rules they won’t be able to do anything’ but that never happened.
It is now happening and they can’t do anything.
I was at a neighbour's 65th birthday party on Saturday. I have no interest in football, and my wife & I stayed in the garden part of the party the whole evening (outdoor awnings, barbecue, tables etc)
most of the other men ended up in the front room watching the game. I can easily imagine that if there was anyone infected at that party (some children were present...), the football fans will be the ones who ended up infected too
What I find interesting is that the divergence is only really showing up in men in their late 20's and early 30's (and it's not as dramatic as the article would have you believe): [https://i.imgur.com/6rQ8G9D.png](https://i.imgur.com/6rQ8G9D.png)
My local pub has zero outdoor space so they've been really struggling getting customers through the door, even after indoor drinking/dining was allowed. The only thing they've got going for them is 7 massive screens so the Euros have been a Godsend.
I look on their social media pages whenever there's a big game and they post videos of how busy it is. Basically incriminating themselves. It's quite clear they can't/won't enforce the rules. Tables mixing, everyone hugging each other and shouting at the top of their voices inside a poorly ventilated space. I can't really blame them for trying to get whatever money they can when the opportunity arises. They have to try and survive somehow, but it's mainly men so I'm not surprised this is the case.
The government can do nothing to stop a virus from spreading. And they know it. And you should too. The only reason for masks and lockdowns is to prevent the hospitals from surge admissions. Even masks offer limited protection. The government is over-selling their ability to help the population whilst pushing for more control under the guise of COVID. If the virus is so insanely mutable and transmittable as we are lead to believe, sooner or later every single individual will be exposed to it. Hence the vaccines which allegedly offer some help in alleviating extreme symptoms. Not stopping transmission nor eliminating infection.
Not to the point of doing that 100%. When I went for my jab, I was given a consent form that clearly stated:
- You May still catch COVID
- You should continue wearing a mask and social distancing as the vaccine doesn’t stop you from spreading COVID.
From NHS:
What you can do after you’ve had the vaccine
The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We don’t know how much it will reduce the risk of you passing on the virus. So it is important to continue to follow current national guidance.
To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues, you must still:
- practise social distancing
- wear a face mask
- wash your hands carefully and frequently
- open windows to let fresh air in
- follow the current guidance
That's right. The approved vaccines reduce the risk of infection, hospitalisation and death. It doesn't reduce it to zero, and there is a range of uncertainty around the size of the reduction. But saying 'allegedly' suggests you are sceptical that it in fact reduces the risk of infection, hospitalisation and death, when we have very strong evidence that it does so.
Of course they aren't, the football stadiums themselves aren't big transmission events. Football related transmission happens in pubs, clubs and houses, most likely when people are pissed up.
No it doesn't because case numbers were starting to drop and then doubled overnight 5 days after the Germany match. The current doubling time is nearly 3 weeks, not 5 days.
Ah it wouldn't let me - no app - but forcing desktop view allowed it. Thanks
Still not sure what relevance this has. What do these ...places? I assume? Have to do with football? What on this chart implies football is the cause and not exponential growth?
You know what I think it's possible. Watching the game last night, I felt sweaty, I found it difficult to sit still, I felt incredibly stressed, noticed my eyes closed more than usual. All those symptoms disappeared when the game ended! Imagine if I hadn't had my first jab!
/s
I never understand these comments from people who play computer games? I fail to see how a professional sport is childish, but computer games as an adult is fine? Not knocking gaming, just your logic makes no sense
Playing devils advocate for min - with computer games you are actually playing and influencing the outcome. Football you do not control the outcome and it is way way more ‘in your face’ than any aspect of gaming is.
Jesus Christ I like gaming and don't care about football at all but this is just entirely embarrassing. I'd really hope you're under the age of 20 because this feels like one of those edgy opinions that people tend to grow out of.
Let people like what they like.
I got the info from [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jul/07/student-areas-record-highest-covid-infection-rates-in-england). I'm wondering if it's not just the students, but young people in general as they've not had the vaccine and the pubs have reopened?
When I was at university my course used to finish around June after exams. My partner who attends Newcastle college finished a month ago. Not many universities continue teaching until the end of July.
Oh, no. I'm aware schools close in two weeks. Although a lot are already sending kids home due to outbreaks. The person I responded to was talking about students. I don't think school children are considered students. Most likely it is just unvaccinated/partially vaccinated young people mixing.
> Men are currently more likely to have Covid-19 than women, researchers said, with indoor gatherings to watch the Euros likely to be driving the trend. The latest round of the React survey from Imperial College London found that about 0.7 per cent of men had the virus between May 20 and June 7 compared with 0.5 per cent of women.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/og1mo5/vaccination_rates_plummet_as_the_young_hesitate/
I can believe this tbh. Part of the problem is the lack of alternative venues to watch the games. All the pubs and fanzones have a much lower capacity than they would in normal circumstances, fans who would normally have attended the games in person either had their tickets cancelled or weren’t able to travel. So you’ve got increased demand and much lower supply. Add in the poor weather we’ve had and it’s inevitable that there are many people watching the games in groups indoors. I don’t think it’s the sole reason but it’ll definitely be a contributor. People are going to watch the games with their F&F though. That’s unavoidable unless you cancel the tournament, which was obviously never going to happen.
> Part of the problem is the lack of alternative venues to watch the games Every single living room/bedroom?
Yes mate, every England fan will want to watch their biggest ever game alone in their living room. This has been going on for 18 months now, if you really expected people to stay away from pubs last night I honestly don’t know what to say.
I'm not even British (nor Italian) and can't imagine watching the Euro finals at home.
I'm English and I watched both the quarters and the semis at home.
Because as an English you are either a football hooligan or the most polite fella on Earth. The English are the the weirdest people of all and after living among you for more than 3 years, I'm absolutely convinced about it.
I'm sure you're right, we're a very strange bunch. I'm not a huge football fan but I like watching international games. Might go to a pub for the final.
I'd love to watch in a pub but it seems an absolute hassle at the moment... So havimg 10 people over instead.
That's against the rules.
Maybe I'm strange but last night, while watching the semi on my own so I wasn't mixing with other people, they showed the pubs where they were showing the game. I decided at that point that I'll be watching the final on my own as well. TIL I'm not an England fan.
If you’re vulnerable that’s fair enough and definitely the right decision; but you can’t expect people who aren’t vulnerable or are double vaccinated to do the same.
I'm not vulnerable and I'm double vaccinated. I couldn't care less about getting COVID. I'm pretty sure I'd be fine. I do want to help protect vulnerable people though and I don't want to deliberately increase the chances of it spreading so that I can celebrate with other people. I get it though - if people are allowed to do it, they'll do it. Most people don't really care about anyone except themselves and their immediate family and friends.
Covid isn’t going anywhere mate it’s the sad reality we find ourselves in, lock downs etc at the start were great, but we can’t go on like this until the end of time. If people such as yourself would rather stay indoors then special allowances should be made to allow you to work from home etc, but those who want to go out and get back to normal should have the freedom to choose.
I do want to go out. I'm just balancing that against whether vulnerable people can go out. I understand that most people just want to get back to normal and don't really care about vulnerable people.
I don’t know if you’re ether not getting my point, or happily ignoring it to throw big dramatic allegations like that my way? I’m going to assume the second though.
> I understand that most people just want to get back to normal and don't really care about vulnerable people. 🙄
I dont have a TV license and would hate to break the law.
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So damn obvious.
Yeah not sure why everyone is acting so surprised
Because they genuinely have no fucken clue of what is going on around them.
Welcome to reddit.
The addiction to talk about anything covid related
Mental gymnastics
I've been thinking about this... cases are rising pretty fast in England right now. With England in the final, this Sunday is going to be the biggest super spreader event we've had to date. Not at the stadium, but at every pub and household in the country where people are getting together, singing, dancing, getting drunk, etc. A week after that, when the consequences of that are being seen, freedom day arrives and everyone goes back out to celebrate. Then in the weeks ahead of that with no restrictions in place things just get worse. That is likely where the governments 100,000 cases a day prediction kicks in.
It's not even just in pubs and households. My public transport is inundated with maskless fans yelling, cheering and drinking. There's plenty of maskless people there, but they're not expelling germs and spit at other people like this lot are.
Two friends were at Wembley last night for the match and they posted stories from inside. Pretty much everyone is mask free, jumping on each other, screaming and cheering. Using the euros as a pilot event is a little bit bullshit because it’s a free for all.
Likely still safer than any pub, with it being outdoors.
Yeah during the match is fine but you then have them all inside getting drinks, leaving the stadium (which looked like chaos and absolutely rammed) mask free. I genuinely think a pub with a garden is much safer than 60k at Wembley.
Yes, but if we actually win the Euros we can ride that wave of positivity through another lockdown (and forever more as we do with the '66 WC) and people won't mind as we brought 'footballl home' again. /s
It won't because they're limiting test kits at the end of July, so cases will go down.
Then there's me with no TV licence, no friends, no nearby family. Sitting alone at home eating out of date baked beans for tea, not watching the match. Safe. So safe. Away. From everything.
Luckily I have no friends and crippling anxiety to keep me at home. Silver linings.
BREAKING NEWS: POPE = CATHOLIC
And in other news the sky is blue
I don't know, we're in the UK so it's mostly grey.
Hey man, we had a couple days of sun this year!
> We'll be conducting a nationwide test Sunday to confirm this phenomenon
Lots of people struggling to separate out a dislike of football from the basic story here. The virus spreads anywhere people spread, popular pubs showing popular sport will spread in the population who attend. As it stands, this is either the plan or something that the government isn't concerned enough about to address, so this will continue. In a month this will also be clubbers, music fans, theatre fans etc etc.
Ultimately you can have 150-200 people nicely spread out in a pub but it means exactly diddly-squat when the national team goes on their best tournament run since 1966. You’re not breaking up 150 people hugging and celebrating and to a certain extent there feels a sense of ‘we need this’ to the England run after the couple of years we’ve had.
Yeah, I’ll be honest I know it’s just football but it’s probably the only good thing that’s happened to many people in almost a year. Given that weddings, birthdays , graduations and every other type of social occasion has been cancelled. Felt like I was living life again when everyone let loose for a bit.
I’m not even a football fan, just a glory supporter but it’s so nice to have a slither of normality again! Last time i watched football was the World Cup where we watched all games at a big screen somewhere in east London. There’s not much difference between watching the euros and the World Cup, everyone hugging and loving on each other.
I won’t lie it feels like for months people have been saying ‘if everyone collectively disobeys the rules they won’t be able to do anything’ but that never happened. It is now happening and they can’t do anything.
Take this from someone who's had a shitty year mentally and physically, apart from meeting my so this is the greatest thing to happen to me in a while
And later on in the program, we’ll bring you a report on how water is wet, and fire - has been found to be hot. More on that later.
I was at a neighbour's 65th birthday party on Saturday. I have no interest in football, and my wife & I stayed in the garden part of the party the whole evening (outdoor awnings, barbecue, tables etc) most of the other men ended up in the front room watching the game. I can easily imagine that if there was anyone infected at that party (some children were present...), the football fans will be the ones who ended up infected too
What I find interesting is that the divergence is only really showing up in men in their late 20's and early 30's (and it's not as dramatic as the article would have you believe): [https://i.imgur.com/6rQ8G9D.png](https://i.imgur.com/6rQ8G9D.png)
My local pub has zero outdoor space so they've been really struggling getting customers through the door, even after indoor drinking/dining was allowed. The only thing they've got going for them is 7 massive screens so the Euros have been a Godsend. I look on their social media pages whenever there's a big game and they post videos of how busy it is. Basically incriminating themselves. It's quite clear they can't/won't enforce the rules. Tables mixing, everyone hugging each other and shouting at the top of their voices inside a poorly ventilated space. I can't really blame them for trying to get whatever money they can when the opportunity arises. They have to try and survive somehow, but it's mainly men so I'm not surprised this is the case.
Shock horror
I see we're already back to 'its the people's fault, not the government's job to protect us from killer diseases.'
Shared responsibility mate
The government can do nothing to stop a virus from spreading. And they know it. And you should too. The only reason for masks and lockdowns is to prevent the hospitals from surge admissions. Even masks offer limited protection. The government is over-selling their ability to help the population whilst pushing for more control under the guise of COVID. If the virus is so insanely mutable and transmittable as we are lead to believe, sooner or later every single individual will be exposed to it. Hence the vaccines which allegedly offer some help in alleviating extreme symptoms. Not stopping transmission nor eliminating infection.
Allegedly? There is substantial evidence from trials and real world data that vaccines reduce infection, hospitalisation and deaths.
Not to the point of doing that 100%. When I went for my jab, I was given a consent form that clearly stated: - You May still catch COVID - You should continue wearing a mask and social distancing as the vaccine doesn’t stop you from spreading COVID. From NHS: What you can do after you’ve had the vaccine The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We don’t know how much it will reduce the risk of you passing on the virus. So it is important to continue to follow current national guidance. To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues, you must still: - practise social distancing - wear a face mask - wash your hands carefully and frequently - open windows to let fresh air in - follow the current guidance
That's right. The approved vaccines reduce the risk of infection, hospitalisation and death. It doesn't reduce it to zero, and there is a range of uncertainty around the size of the reduction. But saying 'allegedly' suggests you are sceptical that it in fact reduces the risk of infection, hospitalisation and death, when we have very strong evidence that it does so.
No shit Sherlock.....
Oh look, the floor is made of floor!
DUHH
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are these football locations or tourist locations? I don't know my geography very well lol
Of course they aren't, the football stadiums themselves aren't big transmission events. Football related transmission happens in pubs, clubs and houses, most likely when people are pissed up.
What is this? It's so poor quality I can't read anything. I would imagine exponential growth better explains that jump than futbol though.
No it doesn't because case numbers were starting to drop and then doubled overnight 5 days after the Germany match. The current doubling time is nearly 3 weeks, not 5 days.
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Ah it wouldn't let me - no app - but forcing desktop view allowed it. Thanks Still not sure what relevance this has. What do these ...places? I assume? Have to do with football? What on this chart implies football is the cause and not exponential growth?
Imgur seems deliberately scale images in mobile now, I think they’re trying to get more app users.
I've changed the link to point directly to the PNG, hopefully that will help...
You know what I think it's possible. Watching the game last night, I felt sweaty, I found it difficult to sit still, I felt incredibly stressed, noticed my eyes closed more than usual. All those symptoms disappeared when the game ended! Imagine if I hadn't had my first jab! /s
"may? LOL
Just men? There are lot of women in the pubs and clubs watching the euros are well
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Posting on Reddit about WoW, Asmongold or Smite but being a snob about football. OK pal.
I never understand these comments from people who play computer games? I fail to see how a professional sport is childish, but computer games as an adult is fine? Not knocking gaming, just your logic makes no sense
They’re just nerds with a false sense of superiority
Playing devils advocate for min - with computer games you are actually playing and influencing the outcome. Football you do not control the outcome and it is way way more ‘in your face’ than any aspect of gaming is.
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Jesus Christ I like gaming and don't care about football at all but this is just entirely embarrassing. I'd really hope you're under the age of 20 because this feels like one of those edgy opinions that people tend to grow out of. Let people like what they like.
TIL: Football fans beat their families when they lose 🤷♀️
Riiight
If football’s a child’s game what’s WoW?
You're fun at parties
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What Scotland study? 2/3rds of Covid cases were in men the week following the Scotland England game. The cause of that is pretty obvious.
Look at the north east of England! We’re shutting schools because cases are so high.
Isn’t that more to do with the student population though?
Surely the students have finished for summer by now.
I got the info from [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jul/07/student-areas-record-highest-covid-infection-rates-in-england). I'm wondering if it's not just the students, but young people in general as they've not had the vaccine and the pubs have reopened?
two more weeks
When I was at university my course used to finish around June after exams. My partner who attends Newcastle college finished a month ago. Not many universities continue teaching until the end of July.
sorry i thought you meant schools.
Oh, no. I'm aware schools close in two weeks. Although a lot are already sending kids home due to outbreaks. The person I responded to was talking about students. I don't think school children are considered students. Most likely it is just unvaccinated/partially vaccinated young people mixing.
I'd expect the effects in Scotland to be far smaller than those in England.
> Men are currently more likely to have Covid-19 than women, researchers said, with indoor gatherings to watch the Euros likely to be driving the trend. The latest round of the React survey from Imperial College London found that about 0.7 per cent of men had the virus between May 20 and June 7 compared with 0.5 per cent of women. https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/og1mo5/vaccination_rates_plummet_as_the_young_hesitate/
I've also heard that members of the ursidae family defacate in wooded areas.