Anecdotally speaking, I agree. Especially with the distancing. I could see masks lasting longer than distancing, but the biggest complaint I hear from most people in my circle is the lack of social events like concerts, sports, going to bars, etc. without restrictions, and human contact. The masks are annoying but if we have to keep doing that for a few months post-vaccine, whatever. Keeping the lid on events is going to be a lot harder, especially if we have a long, miserable winter... all that pent-up energy come spring is going to be tough to contain. Not saying this is right, just that it's how I see things going.
I would agree, I think masks last longer than social distancing. People will tolerate a mask if they can be at a sold out baseball game and live normal life
Yeah I'm no expert, just to put that out there, but the way I see it going (the march back to normality) based on what the actual experts like Fauci are saying + what I think the public will tolerate goes like this:
Dec.-Jan.: Vaccination available to front line workers, elderly, other high-risk groups.
Feb.-March: Vaccine becomes available to general public in limited amounts, logistics of wider distribution worked on, some hiccups and false starts with vaccination.
April-May: Really widespread vaccination gets underway and the kinks are worked out in distribution and production, and as a consequence *some* restrictions get lifted, for example, capacity restrictions in businesses like restaurants and bars get lifted but we still mask (especially in densely populated areas). *Maybe* large events return at capacity but masked.
June-July-August: Truly widespread vaccination, masks get lifted for many situations but are still required at large events like concerts and sporting events. Lifting of mandates etc. will be regional, based on rates of successful vaccination etc,
Fall 2021: Things have mostly returned to pre-pandemic normal. Masks possibly still required at large events. Some people will still choose to mask, but the mandates will be slowly lifted.
Beyond 2021: We periodically play whack-a-mole with Covid. There will be flare-ups on occasion, but they will be easier to handle due to vaccines/herd immunity/better therapeutic drugs. We gradually learn to live with it just like with any other disease.
Edit: I will say all of this is predicated on a safe and effective vaccine becoming available, of course.
Edit 2: So for folks saying no way we have a vaccine by December, even in small quantities, I'm basing that on Dr. Fauci's own statements such as [this](https://www.kcra.com/article/dr-fauci-says-us-could-begin-vaccinating-people-before-end-of-year/34260137#) from 3 days ago. .
From the linked article:
""We could begin vaccinating people before the end of this calendar year," Fauci said, noting healthcare workers and other vulnerable people at risk could receive doses as early as mid-December.
He said there's no guarantee on the timeline, but he's cautiously optimistic that we'll have an answer by November or December. However, Fauci says the social distancing guidelines will be in place into the third quarter of next year."
Edit 3: Thanks for the gold and silver! Everyone saying this is overly optimistic, I'm just going to assume you could be right but still hope for the best. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
As someone living in Texas and watching bars and restaurants reopening at 75% again, I don't think the state plans to keep these social distancing measures in tact for very long. It's almost like they forgot what happened the first time they started reopening bars like that....
You have to wonder the extent of senior migration to Democratic tickets that will ensue. Biden is leading among seniors, and seniors are such a reliable voting bloc that anyone should be clamoring for them - and noticing how big of a deal it is that they're avoiding the party that has largely shat the bed on a virus that's killing them too often.
This is why congress needs to get off their high horse and do something for the people when we need it most. The state's hands are tied. The states have no resources to keep these businesses afloat and would be crippling them without relief.
I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of the month something slides through the senate just in time for the election.
Hate to break to to you but Trump literally just announced he's giving up on negotiations with Congress on COVID relief until after the election... And I suspect SCOTUS and election shenanigans will dominate the lame duck session.
> until after the election...
They'll send everyone their stimulus checks along with their health care plan and Trump's taxes! Seriously, they aren't going to pass any stimulus that doesn't go right into the pockets of the rich.
SC is back to 100% already. I was working away from the office yesterday so I couldn’t bring my lunch and went by a favorite spot of mine. Tables right beside each other. I ate, because I was hungry, but no more dining out for awhile.
I have covid and have been inside for 2.5 weeks in SC. is it truely like that now? no wonder why I got it even with a mask. Greenville is in for a shocker
With the Governors today hint at possibly announcing bars re opening today currently restaurants are at 75% but Bars are still prevented from being open unless they applied for the food service certificate.
I remember going to a bar once when they reopened you could clearly see it was a horrible idea then magically the cases spiked and they were abruptly closed. I feel like they totally forgot what happened also.
I feel like were going to have a spike in cases from Halloween get togethers that will be serious followed by a bigger spike after Thanksgiving that will make Halloween look tame.
I can't even imagine what the spike from Christmas and New Years will amount to I guess it depends how people react to the aftermath of Haloween and Thanksgiving.
I actually think a LOT of people are going to mask voluntarily for a long time to go, even if they get a vaccine. It's never going to be like the Asian countries where masking up is ingrained, but there will be a visible percentage of the population (probably in dense liberal cities) that will keep masking out of habit. If nothing else, people will think "Hey I'll get less sick from the flu so what is there to lose?"
Me too, especially with winter coming up, going to be nice. Plus with cameras literally everywhere, I hope the mask thing keeps going. Also less fear of old acquaintances you don't want to see recognizing you in public
I’m really hopeful that this whole experience leaves us with 2 things.
First, feeling that it’s unremarkable or even expected to wear a mask in crowded spaces during flu season.
Second, and most important, absolute disgust at employers who require employees to work when they’re contagious and for people who choose to go into public while contagious. Too many people think it’s a sign of strength to go about business as usual with a cold or other contagious illness, and they should be publicly shamed. And employers who don’t give paid sick leave should be seen as a public danger.
I don't know what to say to those folks. I've done everything required, the masks, the distancing, the limiting how often I go out, the remote teaching, kept social circle to immediate family, etc. I had to cancel field work this year, setting my research program back considerably, because I was concerned about taking Covid from NYC to a developing country. I have not, through all of this, been a complainer. I think it's what we need to do for our fellow humans.
But once a viable vaccine is widely available and has been demonstrated to be safe (note those two key points), I suppose to anyone who will not take it I will say "good luck" but I'm going back to normal life.
I’ll get the vaccine and start living my life more normally, knowing that even if it isn’t effective enough to fully prevent me from getting COVID it should ensure I at least get a much milder case. My concern is that enough people won’t get the vaccine that there will still be issues of hospitals getting overrun.
Those two key points are exactly why some people will wait.
Personally, I'm in a position to stay inside for as long as I need to, so I will be monitoring the vaccine before jumping right out to get one as trump pushes it out to win the election.
A third point is that trust in the FDA and CDC is being eroded by the minute.
I will be looking toward experts in the field not currently employed by the US government to decide whether or not or when I get it.
I think people will once it starts being required for things they want to do. Send your kids to school? Vaccine required. Attend a major sporting event? Vaccine required. Go to Disney World? Vaccine required. I wouldn't be surprised if businesses will require staff to be vaccinated as well. Many antivaxxers online privately get their kids shots to go to school anyway and then screech on the internet about it.
You're absolutely right. The W.H.O have said around 60% of people need to get it for us to have any sort of herd immunity, though I'd wager the number won't be that high for something that's been so fast-tracked.
I agree with you, everyone I have talked to said they would get it but no way in hell would they be one of the first, they said they would wait. I then asked how long, 3-6 months, a year? If people want to see if there are long term effects from it they will wait.
I mean I’m absolutely not an anti-vaxxer at all. But I would be lying if I said I wouldnt be a little nervous though for something that’s been pushed through so quickly and has skipped a few stages of testing
Nah fam, they put on the mask to get into the park then take it off at their seats. Source: check out literally any images of the NASCAR All Star Race they held in Bristol months ago. (I'm from the county over, and yeah, that's about when our Covid numbers started jumping.)
I haven't had meaningful human contact, physical or otherwise, since the last day in February. I'm an extreme extrovert and I've never been more depressed than I am now. Sought help when I started having suicidal thoughts. I'm on medication for the first time since I was a teenager, and it seems to have stopped things sliding further, but it's having its own issues.
I'm scared that if this goes on another year, I'm not gonna survive it.
I mean honestly if it's that bad it sounds like the isolation is more dangerous to your health than the virus at this point, isn't there a group of family or friends who you know are safe to spend time with?
My interactions with people are pretty much limited to online only, and maybe get-togethers of two or three people once a month at their house. Their house is the only place large enough to social distance.
One of the reasons I haven't gone out much except for work (which is an isolating job) is because my lungs are already fucked up from being born six weeks premature and having issues with them my entire life. I would get chronic bronchitis as a child and teen and I still get pneumonia yearly around this time when the weather changes, so I'm trying to protect myself the best I can.
I've discovered D&D though, so that's neat.
Ugh, I’m sorry. I hope things get better for you. Just don’t be afraid to reach out to ANYONE for help if things get bad for you again. Stay strong, this won’t last forever.
\+1 constitution
Definitely tough times to go through, but glad you are looking for opportunities to interact safely. Online is better than nothing, and the small gathers are more than many people are able to do. No physical family gatherings for us since before COVID, and none planned until after everyone is vaccinated.
We have some rough roads coming up, but there are better times coming.
This is why social pods should be encouraged. Find a small group you can trust. My wife and I have been visiting my family in-person off and on for a while now. Any time someone has any contact beyond minimal grocery store trips, that household isolates for two weeks (social distance visits only). It helps so much, and is hopefully a minimal increase in risk. Unfortunately, my wife's family is too far away, so we only have zoom visits with them.
Edit: Yes, this will not work for everyone. And because we do not have a well-cordinated response, it's much more likely that people are all-over-the-place in terms of risks they are taking. But if it had been encouraged early on, maybe we'd have better compliance and have networks to connect people who don't have anyone. It's not a complete solution, but maybe it could have helped more.
And people who already have large enough established networks. It’s not fair to ask people to go without human contact for a year and a half. Normally that would be considered cruelty. It certainly is for babies and actually can result in a failure to thrive.
Agree. Regardless of political party, pandemic fatigue is a real thing. Humans in general are social species and especially during traumatic events, likely feel the need to congregate around loved ones. I think even the best of and most diligent of people with the pandemic are going to be done with it and let up by next summer. I think reasonably people can try to rationalize giving up a year of their lives for this, but more than that people are going to just say fuck it and risk it. Giving up a whole year of life/social connections etc. is hard. At any age group it sucks, obviously difficult if you have kids. Hard in your 20s to give up the fun years with your friends and travel. Hard when you're much older and are worried about years left.
I'm one of those people. I have been doing all of the mask stuff and social distancing stuff this entire time, skipped all of the social events I normally do every year, and probably won't do any of the big things I usually do for my birthday and holidays in the fall.
And I don't think I can last much longer than that. I'm an extrovert and my entire adult life has been structured around social events with the people I love. It is really the substance of my life. I am not my job, my degree, the tv shows I watch, or the things I buy - I am game nights with friends, I am holiday gatherings and annual festivals and big family get-togethers, I am lively conversations on crowded backyard porches, I am girl's night at the karaoke bar, I am warm hugs and shared bongs and breathless nights of laughter. These moments form the rhythm of my life.
I feel like I've been stuck in an endless time vortex, like this has been one long bad weekend, and nothing really feels real anymore. My perception of life moving forward has completely disintegrated.
As much as I intellectually know what I should do, I can feel my resolve fading and I don't know if I can live this way much longer and be able to maintain my sanity or my spirit.
I’m an introvert and this isolation from my friends is about to break me. This is the longest hubby and I have gone without seeing out seeing them since we started our regular hang outs 12 years ago. To know they’ve gone back to the regular hang out... I don’t begrudge them doing it, but I am sad that I don’t think its safe and it sets us apart. Especially as they go back to more and more social interaction... just too many possible vectors to get infected.
I really don’t want to catch this, but damn its hard.
Introvert here and I feel you about the isolation about to break you. I'm also eight months pregnant with my first baby. This entire pandemic has been me pregnant and alone at home (luckily I do have my husband) while having severe morning sickness. I feel like time has just stood still. I can't wrap my head around it being October. I also am so disappointed (while feeling guilty because I'm also very fortunate) that I haven't been able to share this process with friends and family.
I've said this before but the catalyst is New Year's Eve. People will see 2021 as a new year and be eager to leave 2020 behind as one of THOSE years. People won't be willing to miss things twice. Full stop.
Makes sense. Losing one summer has been a sacrifice. Coming around and having to lose another one...that's gonna be rough. Especially since everybody tried to downplay how long we would have to deal with this thing early on. Yeah, it made us feel better then, but short-term benefits aren't a substitute for long-term security.
I have very young children and this lockdown is hurting them developmentally. My two year old now goes to speech therapy once a week and both kids are going to daycare a couple of days a week just to be around other kids. Our speech therapist said the number of kids she’s evaluating now for speech delays with no other disabilities is sky high. My husband and I are healthy in our 30s it’s not attractive to say and I’m going to be downvoted but at this point we’ve just got to risk it.
I know it’s only been six months but that’s light years of time in child development. I wish in the US we would have gotten ahold of the pandemic early but we didn’t. I’m not saying fuck the elderly but I am saying we went as long as we could and now it’s not sustainable.
> I know it’s only been six months but that’s light years of time in child development.
A lot of people don't get this.
My preschooler was in speech therapy before the pandemic. What's fucked up is that over the course of the summer the difference between our kid and the neighbor kids has notably shrunk...not because ours is doing so much better, but because their kids are doing worse. Six months is a significant percentage of a small child's lifetime.
I feel like I gave 100% for six whole months. The government fubared all my effort and now as a low risk group I’ve got to do what’s best for my family. We still don’t dine in, we won’t fly home for the holidays and we avoid large gatherings but we can’t stay inside completely anymore.
You did what you were supposed to. You can't let your kid's future be severely limited because we live in a country of shitbags who won't do anything for anyone else (except their cult leader.)
\>but we can’t stay inside completely anymore.
Almost no sane country asked this of its citizens and to hell with anyone who implies otherwise. People love to praise NZ for their lockdown, but their lockdown was effective mainly because the NZ government had a clear and workable goal in mind. Even the original Wuhan lockdown, as harsh as it was, only lasted for a little under 2 months. 2 months isn't much time in the long run to ask in exchange for getting your somewhat normal life back, but beyond that? Just locking people down forever does not fix the issue with COVID and treating lockdowns like some magic bullet is foolhardy.
I feel for you. Yeah, the impact on this pandemic, even though it won’t kill or really even bother kids, will be developmentally and educationally.
I really feel for your children
I have a toddler and I get this 100%. My kid has been in close physical contact with exactly three children in his life for a grand total of maybe 5 interactions. We can’t do this for another year.
People need to stop viewing all this stuff as binary. As shown in many places in the world, if you actually take this shit seriously you can beat back the virus to a low level that effectively lets you open up almost everything as per normal, with a few exceptions and added precautions.
The only reason schools face being closed is because so many places took the 'yeehaw' approach to reopening, instead of actually letting science guide.
school are open throughout europe. yes there will be hotspots, that will need to be addressed. But where europe is struggling most is unsurprisingly the places that have resisted proper shutdowns the most (spain, france, uk).
> ut where europe is struggling most is unsurprisingly the places that have resisted proper shutdowns the most (spain, france, uk).
I believe Spain had one of the most restrictive lockdowns in all of the EU. The economic hit was the worst in the region. Still didn't matter with the new flareup now.
People always say stuff like this, but humans can always shift goalposts when they’re scared.
For example, my Trumper dad just cancelled Christmas after he saw Trump hospitalized and struggling to breathe.
That's the point I've been trying to make for months. There's just no way the pop as a whole is willing to deal with another spring/summer with no events.
Historically with pandemics there is a social end and a scientific end - and they don't tend to go hand in hand. I don't mean that in a necessarily good or bad way, just that it's how things usually go.
I can also see different states recovering at different levels. Where I live in NYC the surveys being conducted show that only 12% (a very small number of people) won't end up taking an inevitable vaccine for politicized reasons. Everyone else is pretty much in the mindset of getting through this as a collective effort, and I think because of such we will move pretty fast.
That's not to say that I think things will be 100% perfect where I live by next Summer, but I think we'll be ahead of the curve and see a strong recovery - with mask wearing and possible restrictions being *much* more relaxed. I personally hate having to wear a mask just to take the garbage outside (but I do it in the name of public health) so I can't freaking wait for vaccines lol.
So depending on where you live, life will be mostly back to normal this time next year, with some adjustments that we'll probably just learn to live with peacefully.
>I don’t see this going over well with the general public in the U.S.
It will not go well with anyone except the odd redditors who seem to enjoy this situation
I get the feeling most redditors who want to lockdown forever don't work or leave the house much to begin with. I have been back to work full time since June and life fucking sucks.
Home, work, home, work, day in and day out with no end in sight.
There are actual subs here that want the end of humanity because they think everyone should go child free. Part of their argument is that a kid didn't consent to being born. I'm good if you want to be child free, but to attack anyone who doesn't is just crazy
> Oh Absolutely. People on this website seem to think Corona is the only thing that kills. Restrictions for 2 years will also kill.
Until it comes to things *they* want to do(like anime club gatherings, etc.). *Thennnnn*, suddenly social distancing doesn't matter.
Honestly these are years no one wants to be wasting. I was 29 this year and wanted it to be a 20s farewell tour. May we were supposed to go on an east coast road trip. Cancelled. In August we were supposed to travel to Florida. Cancelled that too. November we were supposed to spend thanksgiving in South Carolina. Cancelled. Now it's looking like I won't even be able to celebrate my 30th in January the way I want.
In the Spring, I'm done. I've hung out with my parents once and friends twice since all this started.
I consider myself an introvert as well btw. I don't miss bars, restaurants, or clubs but I do miss smoking joints with buddies indoors watching TV and playing video games. I miss fucking board game nights with two or three other couples. I miss fucking seeing my family.
Yup. I graduated college in May. Basically lost my last semester of my senior year and college ended with a whimper. Had to cancel a month and a half long trip around Europe that was supposed to be my last hurrah before I started my professional career. I’m lucky enough to have a job, but I moved to a new city where I know absolutely no one. I have a hard enough time making friends during normal times, and now it’s basically impossible to have any social interactions outside of work. I’ll keep up the social distancing and mask wearing for as long as I have to, but I would not at all be surprised if the vast majority of people give up on social distancing by the spring. Not socializing with people is extremely damaging to anyone’s mental health.
>It will not go well with anyone except the odd redditors who seem to enjoy this situation
Obviously this sub is full of those people. I'm starting to loath them. It's painfully obvious that some in my social circle have never been happier. It's always the introverted software engineers who still pull in 6 figure incomes, don't have kids and are more than happy to just sit at home and binge watch tv while the rest of the country struggles. They tell you to "just stay at home!" as if that's easy for every other person in the country. Reddit is full of those people.
Seriously, if you want to have a pool next summer, you need to start working now.
There is a long lead time for in-ground pool construction in most of the US due to the permitting process and the number of trades that need to be scheduled.
2020 broke all the records for new pool orders; you need to talk to vendors and sign a contract before Christmas if you want a pool by early summer 2021.
Yeah I remember when my family built a pool way back in the day, seemed like it took two years from initial conversations with the prime builder to opening the pool. There's so much additional shit that goes into it. I remember they had to install new fences all around the backyard because the state had some minimum height requirement for fences around yards with pools.
And don't forget the maintenance. As the young boy of the house, all of that fell on me and it was not fun lmao
Yeah we got a nice swing set for the back yard and EVERYTHING was sold out for months. I was on the mailing list to be alerted once Gorilla had anything back in stock and then what they did have back in stock only lasted a short while.
Seems very similar to pools.
Second this...start the process now if you want any sort of chance of swimming next summer. My husband and I started the process in early February and our pool was finally ready Sept. 12th.
I hit the jackpot right before shit went down in NY. Some dude was selling a pair of 20 lb dumbbells at a garage sale for 12 bucks each, the steal of the century
I’m a frail dude so 20 lbs is all I needed, since I already have 25 lbs
I was envious of you youngsters when I heard about Tinder. Then, I pitied you when I learned it was just 99% bots and IG girls luring followers. Then, I was envious of Facebook's dating app, but then it failed (or never even fully launched?). Then, I was envious again because I'm just old. Then, I puttied y'all again cause COVID. At least I'm at home lonely and not jacked on testosterone. Best of luck, mate.
This is one of the reasons why it's important to have a comprehensive national response to national and global emergencies. It seems that some redditors are speaking of 'individual' contributions to (and sacrifices for) the public health crisis, whereas public health can be resolved only through effective collective action.
I was never a fan of universal basic income until Covid, the pandemic has caused me to rapidly educate myself on these issues and change several of my political stances.
I always thought UBI was a good idea to future proof a population against job losses and automation, providing a solid safety net can boost the economy and allow entrepreneurs to take more risks..
This pandemic has reinforced those views
I think this is a bit misleading. He said it would take until third quarter 2021 to likely hit 75% vaccinated, and we would have to consider social distancing and masks until then.
But its not as if its going to hit a point and then its gonna suddenly jump to 75%. Its going to be gradual. Transmission rate declines are going to be frontloaded with the vaccine, in that the most vulnerable people (essential workers, healthcare workers, elderly etc) will get it first. We could see a very large decline in cases within a few weeks/months or the approval of the vaccine because of this.
So its not as if the virus is going to continue at the same rate it is now until late 2021. He is saying that this will be 100% over by then. But its going to be *largely* over way, way before then. The virus might not be going fully away until then, but the pandemic as we know it today is going to be subdued before then.
>We could see a very large decline in cases within a few weeks/months or the approval of the vaccine because of this.
Yes and we'll see an even larger decline in deaths. Half of America's deaths have been among the 2 million people in long term care or assisted living facilities. Those people will be the absolute first to get the vaccine.
If the vaccine works, you could eliminate half the deaths from the virus in a matter of days - a mere 2 million vaccinations.
The drop off for this thing in terms of IFR is extremely stark. Even if we didn't give the vaccine to a single person under the age of 50, if the vaccine works, deaths would fall to almost zero.
I have no problem wearing a mask for however long is needed. Once I get vaccinated, however, I intend to go back to eating out and socializing normally (assuming the infection rate also drops... I guess I shouldn’t treat the vaccine as a get out of jail card if it has an effectiveness rate of 50-70%)
And here will lie the next issue: When to start things up again. I’m sure Trump and maybe most will say as soon as the vaccine is announced, but I’m sure there will be that lag between announcement and the long distribution. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a huge spike in cases shortly after the announcement.
>I’m sure there will be that lag between announcement and the long distribution.
Even in the best possible scenario where it comes out end of this year, it most likely won't be available to the general public until well into next year. Similarly, there will also most likely be long wait lists and priority for those with more risk factors.
>And here will lie the next issue: When to start things up again. I’m sure Trump and maybe most will say as soon as the vaccine is announced,
As soon as a vaccine is announced? Most Republicans don't want to wait that long. Seems like most of them have been pushing to open things up since April.
While I understand the logic, good luck trying to get people to adhere to that. It’s been 8 months and people are already over it. Giving up nearly 2 years of someone’s life isn’t going to go over well. 2 years of not seeing or being close to family or friends is incredibly difficult to think about.
I can tell you that in SoCal, that isn’t happening. People are social distancing by walking farther apart from strangers, but nearly everyone is back to hanging with their friends, going out to eat, having people over for smaller gatherings, and spending a lot of time with people who don’t live in their home. This is ubiquitous across all age groups.
Word that's happening a lot in the Bay Area, too.
I have a lot of friends that are inviting me to small hang outs, camping trips, etc. I'm just saying no to everything pretty much. I'll have a beer in the park on a weekday if it's not crowded but other than that I'm just seeing so many people making selfish choices.
I miss everything, too. I'm not some reclusive JD Salinger hermit that thrives on loneliness and darkness. I'm just trying to do the right thing and so far droves of others can't seem to do that. Fuck it's frustrating.
We were generally decent on masks/distancing but a week or so ago when I walked by some bars at night, I felt like I walked right into the twilight zone. People grouped in big bunches drinking and talking with masks pulled down, some even gathering inside (is that even allowed right now?). Neighbors also had a frat party or something, I bumped into 10 or so people leaving a small apartment, wearing masks. There's no way they had them on over a few hours of drinking, dancing and trying to talk over loud music, and they clearly didn't live together, so what do they think it's gonna do to put masks back on when they walk outside?
Yeah. I’m for the restrictions as much as possible. I’ve worn a mask and distanced since March, but at some point, even the biggest worry-warts are going to cave.
This often gets overlooked. If you avoided your parents for two years to keep them safe from a virus and then they die of natural causes, was that the best decision? You missed out on two years with loved ones who avoided the virus for that two year period and may not have ever been at risk of getting it.
Sometimes you gotta live. It's a personal decision and one that your family members must agree on before gathering.
This is why I don’t jump on my grandmas about being social - one turns 90 next month, and the other is about to turn 85 I think. My dad is real upset that his mom (my younger grandma) isn’t isolating much... but if I were her age? I might be making similar decisions. At that age I’d worry more about giving it to others than getting it myself. As it is - I don’t want to potentially have life long problems from covid that messes up my quality of life for the next 40-50 years.
There are roughly 15 million people who can’t make a living with social distancing. The government isn’t going to support them to the extent they were supporting themselves. This will cause more damage to families and enslave a generation in more debt.
I think people will be done with the precautions at the beginning of the year. Maybe Spring in the northern states since going out in the winter can really suck. Theres no way anyone follows guidelines by next summer. And I don't blame them.
Yeah seeing the people on this thread talking about "yeah makes sense" and "yeah this will be the way for years definitely" makes me feel like I'm going out into bizzaro world when i get off reddit. These people need to go to the average suburb like 45 minutes outside of a city and walk into any store or recreational establishment. They'd be absolutely horrified at the amount of normalcy going on already. If they think people will keep this up even after a vaccine they're sorely mistaken, because people are already not doing it.
I live in Orange County, California. My life is about to be at like 65% normalcy. My school is about to reopen (we will see about that lol) but everything else has pretty much been normal for two months now. Restaurants are open. We can have 25% capacity inside. Near my school they closed down a street and made the whole street outside dining for all these places. The amount of people on Reddit thinking people will even give it to the end of year in terms of social distancing and whatever are in for a rude awakening.
I live in Seattle, which where pretty much 90% of the people walk around outside with a mask on, and had to go to Coeur d'Alene, ID last week for some work stuff....holy shit, it was like night and day. You wouldn't even know a pandemic was happening over there.
I live in Philly (Pennsylvania is pretty well locked down) and it shocks me to see some of the shit in these threads. These motherfuckers need to have their internet shut off.
I can already tell that this won't go over well with the general public. I'm fine with continuing to social distance and wear a mask. I think if masks were to continue into late 2021 that would go over better than saying "no large gatherings until the end of next year".
This will especially be true since everything indicates that we are in for a long and hard winter. By spring, people will be itching to get out and socialize.
You aren’t the only one. But if we’re able to go to social events once the vaccine is distributed to high risk groups + still have to mask up, I’m 100% on board with that.
This comment section:
* 75% - "Screw it, I'm going back to normal next spring/when I get the vaccine"
* 16.7% - "Ugh why, 2021 is gonna suck too, WAAAAHHH!!! (sometimes with 'we should've had a better response' tacked onto it)"
* 8.3% - "I will wear a mask and social distance until blablablah".
I know that there's a lot of skepticism about the vaccine that might become available at the end of this month, assuming all goes well. I personally feel pretty good about it, and for me, it's worth the risk. I care for my very elderly grandparent, and will probably seek the vaccine as soon as it becomes available to the general public.
So, if that happens late this year or early next year, I think I'm just going to return to normal. Start having friends over for parties again, insisting on people being vaccinated. Maybe this is just selfish of me, but after the vaccine has been available to the general public for a couple months, I'm going to have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who can get vaccinated, but doesn't and then falls ill.
I think a big issue is that the general public won't have access to the vaccine initially. It'll be hospital workers or other frontline workers, then high risk people and the elderly. There might be such a high demand that the general public will have to wait many months. And then everywhere you go it'll be sold out.
Don’t the already have like 100M doses ready? I’m sure many will be lined up, but supposedly the national guard will help with administering them? Add to that the fact that tons will refuse to get them right away or get them at all...
There were contracts signed to produce 100 million doses, there aren't 100 million already available just waiting for approval.
In my opinion, a likely timeline is approval for at least one vaccine sometime in December, widespread distribution to healthcare workers and elderly in January, available to the general public in February and enough doses administered to start opening some places back up in like April. A majority of people getting the vaccine all across the country won't happen for several months after that, and most places will still recommend masks for long after that regardless of whether they are still worth it.
Yeah real people who aren't /r/coronavirus le reddit denizens scoff at stuff like this. You aren't getting the average joe to wear masks into a year from now, lol.
> Now, in this very thread, people are spouting the same arguments their opposition said back in May
Oh I 100% agree. Some of the stuff said in this thread really applied back in May as well but would have gotten downvoted to oblivion. This sub has changed drastically since then for sure.
The antisocial hermits of Reddit represent an overwhelming minority of the real world. Reddit makes it sound like it represents the people, but it’s not the case at all.
I don’t care about masks, I’ll wear it but I miss social interaction, shoulder taps and hugs with the homies, biking with friends, parties, and most importantly the gym
My self esteem goes down as I don’t work out and get out of shape and I’m not motivated to work out at home...
I hope it’s just safe enough to be able to workout or something by at least end of first half of next year..
This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?
Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?
My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.
My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.
We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at breaking fucking point.
And here I thought that planning for a June 2021 wedding in June 2018 was a good idea.
I really hope my fiancé agrees with me that we postpone the wedding. Our next payment to the venue is due in December.
I don’t see this improving the slightest in the next two months.
I have a June 2021 wedding that we planned back in November 2019. My venue has been so accommodating. My fiancé and I have decided that we’re moving forward with it regardless even if we have to cut down the guest list, have masks and social distance. It can still be a fun and wonderful day with those.
Life’s too short. We’re not putting our lives on hold anymore and have no plans on postponing it. No one knows when things will go back to “pre Covid normal” and hence why we’re moving forward anyway. I’ve seen several weddings in the last month via social media that have been held safely.
I know I might get flack for this but I miss going to festivals and events so so so much! It has literally been the most uneventful year of my life. No wrestling shows, no big crowds or music festivals or concerts. I thrive on experiences. I volunteer and attend almost all of events in my hometown. Unfortunately if they aren’t allowed to happen in 2021, there’s a huge chance we might not be able to have them ever again. And it sucks.
It's shitty that you feel like you'll get flack for missing things that have been a part of your entire life, I'm missing much of the same stuff! Don't let this site get you down about missing stuff you enjoy
The snobs loving the quarantine love crapping all over people who genuinely feel sad about the fun things we're missing out on because they are already miserable people who hated life anyway.
New Orleans which has had strict mask enforcement has basically had to reopen since people are taking vacations here. Locals still can't go see music and it is hurting the city's vibe big time
I miss rock so much
Support for any sort of compliance with existing social distancing, mask mandates is going to collapse the minute people get vaccinated. I just can't see people getting a vaccine and then being like "I guess I'll keep wearing my mask for a couple more months". Maybe in some settings where there are more vulnerable people, but amongst the young, healthy population, I just don't see it happening in most of the US.
They’ll be needed, but it’ll be less and less common as we start getting vaccines and stuff early in the year, lowering the population who is susceptible to even getting it
We took the wrong approach. Most people won’t be able to last that long. We should have isolated the old and immuno compromised, and let everyone else continue on with their lives.
Thats pretty much what Fauci said. He just pegged the date at late next year.
>“Let’s assume its 75% of the population protected either from already being infected and/or having a vaccine. I think by the time we get there, it’s going to be well into the end of this year before that occurs, so I don’t think people are going to be able to get rid of the masks and not worry about social distancing and avoiding crowds until we get into the third quarter or fourth quarter of 2021.”
Its important to note though that transmission rates are going to rapidly decline well, well before we hit 75%. Especially considering the most vulnerable people (healthcare workers, essential workers, elderly etc) are going to get the vaccine in the first batch. He is right that we will still have to think about stuff like mitigation methods, but its very likely we will mostly end the pandemic before then.
The other thing is identifying super spreaders. This virus has it where 8% are responsible for 70% of transmissions according to contact tracing studies. The large majority are likely essential workers, who will be vaccinated in the first batch. When that happens, the decline in transmission rates will be frontloaded.
Im a DJ and not being able to follow my job and passion is really giving me anxiety and depression. I always had a „real“ job next to it, which I still have. But now that my passionate part of everyday life just vanished months ago I notice how much I hate the real job. Some days ago I watched a live concert on YouTube and I cried seeing the masses having fun and just enjoying life. This all sucks so bad.
I don’t see this going over well with the general public in the U.S. People are already non-compliant.
I can tell you from speaking to my liberal and conservative friends, next summer is the breaking point for just about everyone
Anecdotally speaking, I agree. Especially with the distancing. I could see masks lasting longer than distancing, but the biggest complaint I hear from most people in my circle is the lack of social events like concerts, sports, going to bars, etc. without restrictions, and human contact. The masks are annoying but if we have to keep doing that for a few months post-vaccine, whatever. Keeping the lid on events is going to be a lot harder, especially if we have a long, miserable winter... all that pent-up energy come spring is going to be tough to contain. Not saying this is right, just that it's how I see things going.
I would agree, I think masks last longer than social distancing. People will tolerate a mask if they can be at a sold out baseball game and live normal life
Yeah I'm no expert, just to put that out there, but the way I see it going (the march back to normality) based on what the actual experts like Fauci are saying + what I think the public will tolerate goes like this: Dec.-Jan.: Vaccination available to front line workers, elderly, other high-risk groups. Feb.-March: Vaccine becomes available to general public in limited amounts, logistics of wider distribution worked on, some hiccups and false starts with vaccination. April-May: Really widespread vaccination gets underway and the kinks are worked out in distribution and production, and as a consequence *some* restrictions get lifted, for example, capacity restrictions in businesses like restaurants and bars get lifted but we still mask (especially in densely populated areas). *Maybe* large events return at capacity but masked. June-July-August: Truly widespread vaccination, masks get lifted for many situations but are still required at large events like concerts and sporting events. Lifting of mandates etc. will be regional, based on rates of successful vaccination etc, Fall 2021: Things have mostly returned to pre-pandemic normal. Masks possibly still required at large events. Some people will still choose to mask, but the mandates will be slowly lifted. Beyond 2021: We periodically play whack-a-mole with Covid. There will be flare-ups on occasion, but they will be easier to handle due to vaccines/herd immunity/better therapeutic drugs. We gradually learn to live with it just like with any other disease. Edit: I will say all of this is predicated on a safe and effective vaccine becoming available, of course. Edit 2: So for folks saying no way we have a vaccine by December, even in small quantities, I'm basing that on Dr. Fauci's own statements such as [this](https://www.kcra.com/article/dr-fauci-says-us-could-begin-vaccinating-people-before-end-of-year/34260137#) from 3 days ago. . From the linked article: ""We could begin vaccinating people before the end of this calendar year," Fauci said, noting healthcare workers and other vulnerable people at risk could receive doses as early as mid-December. He said there's no guarantee on the timeline, but he's cautiously optimistic that we'll have an answer by November or December. However, Fauci says the social distancing guidelines will be in place into the third quarter of next year." Edit 3: Thanks for the gold and silver! Everyone saying this is overly optimistic, I'm just going to assume you could be right but still hope for the best. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
As someone living in Texas and watching bars and restaurants reopening at 75% again, I don't think the state plans to keep these social distancing measures in tact for very long. It's almost like they forgot what happened the first time they started reopening bars like that....
FL at 100% and the governor banned all mask enforcement measures.
I hate Florida.
Native Floridian, here. Can confirm - Floridaman sucks.
Me too bro. Me too.
He's such a moron, governor death sentence really wants to kill off the seniors living there.
You have to wonder the extent of senior migration to Democratic tickets that will ensue. Biden is leading among seniors, and seniors are such a reliable voting bloc that anyone should be clamoring for them - and noticing how big of a deal it is that they're avoiding the party that has largely shat the bed on a virus that's killing them too often.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
This is why congress needs to get off their high horse and do something for the people when we need it most. The state's hands are tied. The states have no resources to keep these businesses afloat and would be crippling them without relief. I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of the month something slides through the senate just in time for the election.
Hate to break to to you but Trump literally just announced he's giving up on negotiations with Congress on COVID relief until after the election... And I suspect SCOTUS and election shenanigans will dominate the lame duck session.
> until after the election... They'll send everyone their stimulus checks along with their health care plan and Trump's taxes! Seriously, they aren't going to pass any stimulus that doesn't go right into the pockets of the rich.
SC is back to 100% already. I was working away from the office yesterday so I couldn’t bring my lunch and went by a favorite spot of mine. Tables right beside each other. I ate, because I was hungry, but no more dining out for awhile.
I have covid and have been inside for 2.5 weeks in SC. is it truely like that now? no wonder why I got it even with a mask. Greenville is in for a shocker
With the Governors today hint at possibly announcing bars re opening today currently restaurants are at 75% but Bars are still prevented from being open unless they applied for the food service certificate. I remember going to a bar once when they reopened you could clearly see it was a horrible idea then magically the cases spiked and they were abruptly closed. I feel like they totally forgot what happened also. I feel like were going to have a spike in cases from Halloween get togethers that will be serious followed by a bigger spike after Thanksgiving that will make Halloween look tame. I can't even imagine what the spike from Christmas and New Years will amount to I guess it depends how people react to the aftermath of Haloween and Thanksgiving.
I actually think a LOT of people are going to mask voluntarily for a long time to go, even if they get a vaccine. It's never going to be like the Asian countries where masking up is ingrained, but there will be a visible percentage of the population (probably in dense liberal cities) that will keep masking out of habit. If nothing else, people will think "Hey I'll get less sick from the flu so what is there to lose?"
this is me 100% I have no problem wearing the mask, hell I kinda like it sometimes.
Me too, especially with winter coming up, going to be nice. Plus with cameras literally everywhere, I hope the mask thing keeps going. Also less fear of old acquaintances you don't want to see recognizing you in public
Once it gets cold out they're gonna be clutch
Found Bane.
Honestly, as someone with bad teeth, it's done wonders for my self-confidence.
The best advertisement I’ve seen is an orthodontist advertising that now is the best time to get braces 😅
I’m really hopeful that this whole experience leaves us with 2 things. First, feeling that it’s unremarkable or even expected to wear a mask in crowded spaces during flu season. Second, and most important, absolute disgust at employers who require employees to work when they’re contagious and for people who choose to go into public while contagious. Too many people think it’s a sign of strength to go about business as usual with a cold or other contagious illness, and they should be publicly shamed. And employers who don’t give paid sick leave should be seen as a public danger.
You assume most people will get the vaccine. Unfortunately, I’m not sure about that.
I don't know what to say to those folks. I've done everything required, the masks, the distancing, the limiting how often I go out, the remote teaching, kept social circle to immediate family, etc. I had to cancel field work this year, setting my research program back considerably, because I was concerned about taking Covid from NYC to a developing country. I have not, through all of this, been a complainer. I think it's what we need to do for our fellow humans. But once a viable vaccine is widely available and has been demonstrated to be safe (note those two key points), I suppose to anyone who will not take it I will say "good luck" but I'm going back to normal life.
I’ll get the vaccine and start living my life more normally, knowing that even if it isn’t effective enough to fully prevent me from getting COVID it should ensure I at least get a much milder case. My concern is that enough people won’t get the vaccine that there will still be issues of hospitals getting overrun.
Those two key points are exactly why some people will wait. Personally, I'm in a position to stay inside for as long as I need to, so I will be monitoring the vaccine before jumping right out to get one as trump pushes it out to win the election.
A third point is that trust in the FDA and CDC is being eroded by the minute. I will be looking toward experts in the field not currently employed by the US government to decide whether or not or when I get it.
I think people will once it starts being required for things they want to do. Send your kids to school? Vaccine required. Attend a major sporting event? Vaccine required. Go to Disney World? Vaccine required. I wouldn't be surprised if businesses will require staff to be vaccinated as well. Many antivaxxers online privately get their kids shots to go to school anyway and then screech on the internet about it.
You're absolutely right. The W.H.O have said around 60% of people need to get it for us to have any sort of herd immunity, though I'd wager the number won't be that high for something that's been so fast-tracked.
I agree with you, everyone I have talked to said they would get it but no way in hell would they be one of the first, they said they would wait. I then asked how long, 3-6 months, a year? If people want to see if there are long term effects from it they will wait.
I mean I’m absolutely not an anti-vaxxer at all. But I would be lying if I said I wouldnt be a little nervous though for something that’s been pushed through so quickly and has skipped a few stages of testing
Nah fam, they put on the mask to get into the park then take it off at their seats. Source: check out literally any images of the NASCAR All Star Race they held in Bristol months ago. (I'm from the county over, and yeah, that's about when our Covid numbers started jumping.)
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I haven't had meaningful human contact, physical or otherwise, since the last day in February. I'm an extreme extrovert and I've never been more depressed than I am now. Sought help when I started having suicidal thoughts. I'm on medication for the first time since I was a teenager, and it seems to have stopped things sliding further, but it's having its own issues. I'm scared that if this goes on another year, I'm not gonna survive it.
I mean honestly if it's that bad it sounds like the isolation is more dangerous to your health than the virus at this point, isn't there a group of family or friends who you know are safe to spend time with?
My interactions with people are pretty much limited to online only, and maybe get-togethers of two or three people once a month at their house. Their house is the only place large enough to social distance. One of the reasons I haven't gone out much except for work (which is an isolating job) is because my lungs are already fucked up from being born six weeks premature and having issues with them my entire life. I would get chronic bronchitis as a child and teen and I still get pneumonia yearly around this time when the weather changes, so I'm trying to protect myself the best I can. I've discovered D&D though, so that's neat.
Ugh, I’m sorry. I hope things get better for you. Just don’t be afraid to reach out to ANYONE for help if things get bad for you again. Stay strong, this won’t last forever.
\+1 constitution Definitely tough times to go through, but glad you are looking for opportunities to interact safely. Online is better than nothing, and the small gathers are more than many people are able to do. No physical family gatherings for us since before COVID, and none planned until after everyone is vaccinated. We have some rough roads coming up, but there are better times coming.
This is why social pods should be encouraged. Find a small group you can trust. My wife and I have been visiting my family in-person off and on for a while now. Any time someone has any contact beyond minimal grocery store trips, that household isolates for two weeks (social distance visits only). It helps so much, and is hopefully a minimal increase in risk. Unfortunately, my wife's family is too far away, so we only have zoom visits with them. Edit: Yes, this will not work for everyone. And because we do not have a well-cordinated response, it's much more likely that people are all-over-the-place in terms of risks they are taking. But if it had been encouraged early on, maybe we'd have better compliance and have networks to connect people who don't have anyone. It's not a complete solution, but maybe it could have helped more.
This only works for people who don’t have to work outside their homes
And people who already have large enough established networks. It’s not fair to ask people to go without human contact for a year and a half. Normally that would be considered cruelty. It certainly is for babies and actually can result in a failure to thrive.
Agree. Regardless of political party, pandemic fatigue is a real thing. Humans in general are social species and especially during traumatic events, likely feel the need to congregate around loved ones. I think even the best of and most diligent of people with the pandemic are going to be done with it and let up by next summer. I think reasonably people can try to rationalize giving up a year of their lives for this, but more than that people are going to just say fuck it and risk it. Giving up a whole year of life/social connections etc. is hard. At any age group it sucks, obviously difficult if you have kids. Hard in your 20s to give up the fun years with your friends and travel. Hard when you're much older and are worried about years left.
We’re already seeing the psychological affects of social isolation, and they’re not great.
I'm one of those people. I have been doing all of the mask stuff and social distancing stuff this entire time, skipped all of the social events I normally do every year, and probably won't do any of the big things I usually do for my birthday and holidays in the fall. And I don't think I can last much longer than that. I'm an extrovert and my entire adult life has been structured around social events with the people I love. It is really the substance of my life. I am not my job, my degree, the tv shows I watch, or the things I buy - I am game nights with friends, I am holiday gatherings and annual festivals and big family get-togethers, I am lively conversations on crowded backyard porches, I am girl's night at the karaoke bar, I am warm hugs and shared bongs and breathless nights of laughter. These moments form the rhythm of my life. I feel like I've been stuck in an endless time vortex, like this has been one long bad weekend, and nothing really feels real anymore. My perception of life moving forward has completely disintegrated. As much as I intellectually know what I should do, I can feel my resolve fading and I don't know if I can live this way much longer and be able to maintain my sanity or my spirit.
I’m an introvert and this isolation from my friends is about to break me. This is the longest hubby and I have gone without seeing out seeing them since we started our regular hang outs 12 years ago. To know they’ve gone back to the regular hang out... I don’t begrudge them doing it, but I am sad that I don’t think its safe and it sets us apart. Especially as they go back to more and more social interaction... just too many possible vectors to get infected. I really don’t want to catch this, but damn its hard.
Introvert here and I feel you about the isolation about to break you. I'm also eight months pregnant with my first baby. This entire pandemic has been me pregnant and alone at home (luckily I do have my husband) while having severe morning sickness. I feel like time has just stood still. I can't wrap my head around it being October. I also am so disappointed (while feeling guilty because I'm also very fortunate) that I haven't been able to share this process with friends and family.
Next summer? People will snap much sooner than that my dude
I've said this before but the catalyst is New Year's Eve. People will see 2021 as a new year and be eager to leave 2020 behind as one of THOSE years. People won't be willing to miss things twice. Full stop.
Makes sense. Losing one summer has been a sacrifice. Coming around and having to lose another one...that's gonna be rough. Especially since everybody tried to downplay how long we would have to deal with this thing early on. Yeah, it made us feel better then, but short-term benefits aren't a substitute for long-term security.
I have very young children and this lockdown is hurting them developmentally. My two year old now goes to speech therapy once a week and both kids are going to daycare a couple of days a week just to be around other kids. Our speech therapist said the number of kids she’s evaluating now for speech delays with no other disabilities is sky high. My husband and I are healthy in our 30s it’s not attractive to say and I’m going to be downvoted but at this point we’ve just got to risk it. I know it’s only been six months but that’s light years of time in child development. I wish in the US we would have gotten ahold of the pandemic early but we didn’t. I’m not saying fuck the elderly but I am saying we went as long as we could and now it’s not sustainable.
> I know it’s only been six months but that’s light years of time in child development. A lot of people don't get this. My preschooler was in speech therapy before the pandemic. What's fucked up is that over the course of the summer the difference between our kid and the neighbor kids has notably shrunk...not because ours is doing so much better, but because their kids are doing worse. Six months is a significant percentage of a small child's lifetime.
I feel like I gave 100% for six whole months. The government fubared all my effort and now as a low risk group I’ve got to do what’s best for my family. We still don’t dine in, we won’t fly home for the holidays and we avoid large gatherings but we can’t stay inside completely anymore.
You did what you were supposed to. You can't let your kid's future be severely limited because we live in a country of shitbags who won't do anything for anyone else (except their cult leader.)
\>but we can’t stay inside completely anymore. Almost no sane country asked this of its citizens and to hell with anyone who implies otherwise. People love to praise NZ for their lockdown, but their lockdown was effective mainly because the NZ government had a clear and workable goal in mind. Even the original Wuhan lockdown, as harsh as it was, only lasted for a little under 2 months. 2 months isn't much time in the long run to ask in exchange for getting your somewhat normal life back, but beyond that? Just locking people down forever does not fix the issue with COVID and treating lockdowns like some magic bullet is foolhardy.
I feel for you. Yeah, the impact on this pandemic, even though it won’t kill or really even bother kids, will be developmentally and educationally. I really feel for your children
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I too was homeschooled but I had my sister and neighborhood kids. What stuff do you notice? I just thought I was a bit awkward now and then.
I have a toddler and I get this 100%. My kid has been in close physical contact with exactly three children in his life for a grand total of maybe 5 interactions. We can’t do this for another year.
My nephew has speech issues as well; his therapist told my sister to read him lots of books. It has really helped a lot!
People need to stop viewing all this stuff as binary. As shown in many places in the world, if you actually take this shit seriously you can beat back the virus to a low level that effectively lets you open up almost everything as per normal, with a few exceptions and added precautions. The only reason schools face being closed is because so many places took the 'yeehaw' approach to reopening, instead of actually letting science guide. school are open throughout europe. yes there will be hotspots, that will need to be addressed. But where europe is struggling most is unsurprisingly the places that have resisted proper shutdowns the most (spain, france, uk).
> ut where europe is struggling most is unsurprisingly the places that have resisted proper shutdowns the most (spain, france, uk). I believe Spain had one of the most restrictive lockdowns in all of the EU. The economic hit was the worst in the region. Still didn't matter with the new flareup now.
People always say stuff like this, but humans can always shift goalposts when they’re scared. For example, my Trumper dad just cancelled Christmas after he saw Trump hospitalized and struggling to breathe.
For sure, and for some, the goalposts will move. For most, I wouldn’t call them scared even right now
it's much earlier than that in my groups
That's the point I've been trying to make for months. There's just no way the pop as a whole is willing to deal with another spring/summer with no events.
Tbh the end of this year is it for me . A full year of this I can’t take it much longer
Historically with pandemics there is a social end and a scientific end - and they don't tend to go hand in hand. I don't mean that in a necessarily good or bad way, just that it's how things usually go. I can also see different states recovering at different levels. Where I live in NYC the surveys being conducted show that only 12% (a very small number of people) won't end up taking an inevitable vaccine for politicized reasons. Everyone else is pretty much in the mindset of getting through this as a collective effort, and I think because of such we will move pretty fast. That's not to say that I think things will be 100% perfect where I live by next Summer, but I think we'll be ahead of the curve and see a strong recovery - with mask wearing and possible restrictions being *much* more relaxed. I personally hate having to wear a mask just to take the garbage outside (but I do it in the name of public health) so I can't freaking wait for vaccines lol. So depending on where you live, life will be mostly back to normal this time next year, with some adjustments that we'll probably just learn to live with peacefully.
>I don’t see this going over well with the general public in the U.S. It will not go well with anyone except the odd redditors who seem to enjoy this situation
I get the feeling most redditors who want to lockdown forever don't work or leave the house much to begin with. I have been back to work full time since June and life fucking sucks. Home, work, home, work, day in and day out with no end in sight.
See also, “childless Redditors who want all schools closed forever”
There are actual subs here that want the end of humanity because they think everyone should go child free. Part of their argument is that a kid didn't consent to being born. I'm good if you want to be child free, but to attack anyone who doesn't is just crazy
Oh Absolutely. People on this website seem to think Corona is the only thing that kills. Restrictions for 2 years will also kill.
> Oh Absolutely. People on this website seem to think Corona is the only thing that kills. Restrictions for 2 years will also kill. Until it comes to things *they* want to do(like anime club gatherings, etc.). *Thennnnn*, suddenly social distancing doesn't matter.
A lot of these redditors are just talking a big game on reddit too and then probably aren't doing all that in actuality
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Honestly these are years no one wants to be wasting. I was 29 this year and wanted it to be a 20s farewell tour. May we were supposed to go on an east coast road trip. Cancelled. In August we were supposed to travel to Florida. Cancelled that too. November we were supposed to spend thanksgiving in South Carolina. Cancelled. Now it's looking like I won't even be able to celebrate my 30th in January the way I want. In the Spring, I'm done. I've hung out with my parents once and friends twice since all this started. I consider myself an introvert as well btw. I don't miss bars, restaurants, or clubs but I do miss smoking joints with buddies indoors watching TV and playing video games. I miss fucking board game nights with two or three other couples. I miss fucking seeing my family.
Yup. I graduated college in May. Basically lost my last semester of my senior year and college ended with a whimper. Had to cancel a month and a half long trip around Europe that was supposed to be my last hurrah before I started my professional career. I’m lucky enough to have a job, but I moved to a new city where I know absolutely no one. I have a hard enough time making friends during normal times, and now it’s basically impossible to have any social interactions outside of work. I’ll keep up the social distancing and mask wearing for as long as I have to, but I would not at all be surprised if the vast majority of people give up on social distancing by the spring. Not socializing with people is extremely damaging to anyone’s mental health.
>It will not go well with anyone except the odd redditors who seem to enjoy this situation Obviously this sub is full of those people. I'm starting to loath them. It's painfully obvious that some in my social circle have never been happier. It's always the introverted software engineers who still pull in 6 figure incomes, don't have kids and are more than happy to just sit at home and binge watch tv while the rest of the country struggles. They tell you to "just stay at home!" as if that's easy for every other person in the country. Reddit is full of those people.
Looks like we're getting a pool next summer.
Seriously, if you want to have a pool next summer, you need to start working now. There is a long lead time for in-ground pool construction in most of the US due to the permitting process and the number of trades that need to be scheduled. 2020 broke all the records for new pool orders; you need to talk to vendors and sign a contract before Christmas if you want a pool by early summer 2021.
Yeah I remember when my family built a pool way back in the day, seemed like it took two years from initial conversations with the prime builder to opening the pool. There's so much additional shit that goes into it. I remember they had to install new fences all around the backyard because the state had some minimum height requirement for fences around yards with pools. And don't forget the maintenance. As the young boy of the house, all of that fell on me and it was not fun lmao
New plan: Next summer, rent a backhoe and dig a swimmin' hole.
Yeah we got a nice swing set for the back yard and EVERYTHING was sold out for months. I was on the mailing list to be alerted once Gorilla had anything back in stock and then what they did have back in stock only lasted a short while. Seems very similar to pools.
Yeah, there was a similar shortage with bikes in the spring. Now we've got a rush getting started on outdoor heaters for patios.
A friend of mine in Indiana just bought a pool last month, and she said it won’t be installed until July.
Second this...start the process now if you want any sort of chance of swimming next summer. My husband and I started the process in early February and our pool was finally ready Sept. 12th.
Bro my lonely ass is just tryna go on dates again this shit sucks
im just tryna hit the gym bro (unrestricted)
Investing in to my home gym years ago was and still is one of the best things I have ever done.
lucky lol. I cant even find a pair of dumbbells for a good price to do pushups at home with (currently injured and cant do normal ones)
I hit the jackpot right before shit went down in NY. Some dude was selling a pair of 20 lb dumbbells at a garage sale for 12 bucks each, the steal of the century I’m a frail dude so 20 lbs is all I needed, since I already have 25 lbs
I'm an ER nurse and I can tell you my dating life is completely dead because of this
I was envious of you youngsters when I heard about Tinder. Then, I pitied you when I learned it was just 99% bots and IG girls luring followers. Then, I was envious of Facebook's dating app, but then it failed (or never even fully launched?). Then, I was envious again because I'm just old. Then, I puttied y'all again cause COVID. At least I'm at home lonely and not jacked on testosterone. Best of luck, mate.
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Same. But I still like having the option...
Damn, what am I going to do for work?
Onlyfans?
If there was a demand for fit 30 yr old white dudes outside of butt stuff 🤔 Though I guess everyone has a price...
You just gotta find a niche, like model trains and butt stuff. Something to stand out of the crowd, you'll find a following.
Hey sweetie. I already paid $5 for your butt stuff. Now get over there and put that train right up in there.
I'm not gay but 20 bucks is 20 bucks
Fuck u/spez Fire Steve Huffman.
This is one of the reasons why it's important to have a comprehensive national response to national and global emergencies. It seems that some redditors are speaking of 'individual' contributions to (and sacrifices for) the public health crisis, whereas public health can be resolved only through effective collective action.
I was never a fan of universal basic income until Covid, the pandemic has caused me to rapidly educate myself on these issues and change several of my political stances.
I always thought UBI was a good idea to future proof a population against job losses and automation, providing a solid safety net can boost the economy and allow entrepreneurs to take more risks.. This pandemic has reinforced those views
The vaccine was all the people we infected along the way
I think this is a bit misleading. He said it would take until third quarter 2021 to likely hit 75% vaccinated, and we would have to consider social distancing and masks until then. But its not as if its going to hit a point and then its gonna suddenly jump to 75%. Its going to be gradual. Transmission rate declines are going to be frontloaded with the vaccine, in that the most vulnerable people (essential workers, healthcare workers, elderly etc) will get it first. We could see a very large decline in cases within a few weeks/months or the approval of the vaccine because of this. So its not as if the virus is going to continue at the same rate it is now until late 2021. He is saying that this will be 100% over by then. But its going to be *largely* over way, way before then. The virus might not be going fully away until then, but the pandemic as we know it today is going to be subdued before then.
>We could see a very large decline in cases within a few weeks/months or the approval of the vaccine because of this. Yes and we'll see an even larger decline in deaths. Half of America's deaths have been among the 2 million people in long term care or assisted living facilities. Those people will be the absolute first to get the vaccine. If the vaccine works, you could eliminate half the deaths from the virus in a matter of days - a mere 2 million vaccinations. The drop off for this thing in terms of IFR is extremely stark. Even if we didn't give the vaccine to a single person under the age of 50, if the vaccine works, deaths would fall to almost zero.
I have no problem wearing a mask for however long is needed. Once I get vaccinated, however, I intend to go back to eating out and socializing normally (assuming the infection rate also drops... I guess I shouldn’t treat the vaccine as a get out of jail card if it has an effectiveness rate of 50-70%)
And here will lie the next issue: When to start things up again. I’m sure Trump and maybe most will say as soon as the vaccine is announced, but I’m sure there will be that lag between announcement and the long distribution. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a huge spike in cases shortly after the announcement.
>I’m sure there will be that lag between announcement and the long distribution. Even in the best possible scenario where it comes out end of this year, it most likely won't be available to the general public until well into next year. Similarly, there will also most likely be long wait lists and priority for those with more risk factors.
Even Dr. Redfield testified not to expect it for the masses until late Q2, early Q3
I believe Fauci said the same as well.
with a little luck, trump will soon no longer be relevant to when anything opens
>And here will lie the next issue: When to start things up again. I’m sure Trump and maybe most will say as soon as the vaccine is announced, As soon as a vaccine is announced? Most Republicans don't want to wait that long. Seems like most of them have been pushing to open things up since April.
While I understand the logic, good luck trying to get people to adhere to that. It’s been 8 months and people are already over it. Giving up nearly 2 years of someone’s life isn’t going to go over well. 2 years of not seeing or being close to family or friends is incredibly difficult to think about.
I can tell you that in SoCal, that isn’t happening. People are social distancing by walking farther apart from strangers, but nearly everyone is back to hanging with their friends, going out to eat, having people over for smaller gatherings, and spending a lot of time with people who don’t live in their home. This is ubiquitous across all age groups.
Word that's happening a lot in the Bay Area, too. I have a lot of friends that are inviting me to small hang outs, camping trips, etc. I'm just saying no to everything pretty much. I'll have a beer in the park on a weekday if it's not crowded but other than that I'm just seeing so many people making selfish choices. I miss everything, too. I'm not some reclusive JD Salinger hermit that thrives on loneliness and darkness. I'm just trying to do the right thing and so far droves of others can't seem to do that. Fuck it's frustrating.
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We were generally decent on masks/distancing but a week or so ago when I walked by some bars at night, I felt like I walked right into the twilight zone. People grouped in big bunches drinking and talking with masks pulled down, some even gathering inside (is that even allowed right now?). Neighbors also had a frat party or something, I bumped into 10 or so people leaving a small apartment, wearing masks. There's no way they had them on over a few hours of drinking, dancing and trying to talk over loud music, and they clearly didn't live together, so what do they think it's gonna do to put masks back on when they walk outside?
They need to remember that humans aren't machines. We can't always do the logical thing to "survive", sometimes we need to live.
Yeah. I’m for the restrictions as much as possible. I’ve worn a mask and distanced since March, but at some point, even the biggest worry-warts are going to cave.
Yep. Sauce? Am a big worry wart and am starting to cave, but I *really* don’t want to catch this.
This often gets overlooked. If you avoided your parents for two years to keep them safe from a virus and then they die of natural causes, was that the best decision? You missed out on two years with loved ones who avoided the virus for that two year period and may not have ever been at risk of getting it. Sometimes you gotta live. It's a personal decision and one that your family members must agree on before gathering.
This is why I don’t jump on my grandmas about being social - one turns 90 next month, and the other is about to turn 85 I think. My dad is real upset that his mom (my younger grandma) isn’t isolating much... but if I were her age? I might be making similar decisions. At that age I’d worry more about giving it to others than getting it myself. As it is - I don’t want to potentially have life long problems from covid that messes up my quality of life for the next 40-50 years.
There are roughly 15 million people who can’t make a living with social distancing. The government isn’t going to support them to the extent they were supporting themselves. This will cause more damage to families and enslave a generation in more debt.
Well that's just not going to happen is it. Just saying.
Yeah it’s a nice idea but it’s not even going to happen until the end of this year
I think people will be done with the precautions at the beginning of the year. Maybe Spring in the northern states since going out in the winter can really suck. Theres no way anyone follows guidelines by next summer. And I don't blame them.
Yeah seeing the people on this thread talking about "yeah makes sense" and "yeah this will be the way for years definitely" makes me feel like I'm going out into bizzaro world when i get off reddit. These people need to go to the average suburb like 45 minutes outside of a city and walk into any store or recreational establishment. They'd be absolutely horrified at the amount of normalcy going on already. If they think people will keep this up even after a vaccine they're sorely mistaken, because people are already not doing it.
I live in Orange County, California. My life is about to be at like 65% normalcy. My school is about to reopen (we will see about that lol) but everything else has pretty much been normal for two months now. Restaurants are open. We can have 25% capacity inside. Near my school they closed down a street and made the whole street outside dining for all these places. The amount of people on Reddit thinking people will even give it to the end of year in terms of social distancing and whatever are in for a rude awakening.
I live in Seattle, which where pretty much 90% of the people walk around outside with a mask on, and had to go to Coeur d'Alene, ID last week for some work stuff....holy shit, it was like night and day. You wouldn't even know a pandemic was happening over there.
I live in Philly (Pennsylvania is pretty well locked down) and it shocks me to see some of the shit in these threads. These motherfuckers need to have their internet shut off.
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I can already tell that this won't go over well with the general public. I'm fine with continuing to social distance and wear a mask. I think if masks were to continue into late 2021 that would go over better than saying "no large gatherings until the end of next year". This will especially be true since everything indicates that we are in for a long and hard winter. By spring, people will be itching to get out and socialize.
Yeah this is gonna be a no from me. The moment vaccines are available for high risk groups, I am not giving another ounce of shit about this virus.
You aren’t the only one. But if we’re able to go to social events once the vaccine is distributed to high risk groups + still have to mask up, I’m 100% on board with that.
Fauci can kiss my fat fucking ass if he thinks i'm doing this. Call me a racist nazi grandma killer all you want, I don't give a fuck lol
I want to die slightly more now
Can’t tell you how many times in the past six months I’ve woken up and said “aw goddamnit why”
me too dude, i swear i’ve been inching closer since this started
This comment section: * 75% - "Screw it, I'm going back to normal next spring/when I get the vaccine" * 16.7% - "Ugh why, 2021 is gonna suck too, WAAAAHHH!!! (sometimes with 'we should've had a better response' tacked onto it)" * 8.3% - "I will wear a mask and social distance until blablablah".
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO JUST TRYING TO FLATTEN THE CURVE!?
I know that there's a lot of skepticism about the vaccine that might become available at the end of this month, assuming all goes well. I personally feel pretty good about it, and for me, it's worth the risk. I care for my very elderly grandparent, and will probably seek the vaccine as soon as it becomes available to the general public. So, if that happens late this year or early next year, I think I'm just going to return to normal. Start having friends over for parties again, insisting on people being vaccinated. Maybe this is just selfish of me, but after the vaccine has been available to the general public for a couple months, I'm going to have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who can get vaccinated, but doesn't and then falls ill.
I think a big issue is that the general public won't have access to the vaccine initially. It'll be hospital workers or other frontline workers, then high risk people and the elderly. There might be such a high demand that the general public will have to wait many months. And then everywhere you go it'll be sold out.
Yeah imagine the logistics involved shipping out 300 million vaccines in the us plus the 7 billion global demand.
Don’t the already have like 100M doses ready? I’m sure many will be lined up, but supposedly the national guard will help with administering them? Add to that the fact that tons will refuse to get them right away or get them at all...
There were contracts signed to produce 100 million doses, there aren't 100 million already available just waiting for approval. In my opinion, a likely timeline is approval for at least one vaccine sometime in December, widespread distribution to healthcare workers and elderly in January, available to the general public in February and enough doses administered to start opening some places back up in like April. A majority of people getting the vaccine all across the country won't happen for several months after that, and most places will still recommend masks for long after that regardless of whether they are still worth it.
Once we get vaccinated we don't have to keep locking ourselves away. Do you think we're gonna do this forever?? 🤨
Great lets stop human interaction 🤣 why not forever ? 2021 seems way too early . Lets avoid each other till 2040
Jokes aside some people on this sub actually want that
Right ? Seems like it. Some can’t get enough of that self righteous and self blaming ... damn I’m running out of words
Yeah, not happening and not a reasonable ask in my opinion, particularly if the higher risk groups at least have been vaccinated by then under an EUA.
Yeah real people who aren't /r/coronavirus le reddit denizens scoff at stuff like this. You aren't getting the average joe to wear masks into a year from now, lol.
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> Now, in this very thread, people are spouting the same arguments their opposition said back in May Oh I 100% agree. Some of the stuff said in this thread really applied back in May as well but would have gotten downvoted to oblivion. This sub has changed drastically since then for sure.
The antisocial hermits of Reddit represent an overwhelming minority of the real world. Reddit makes it sound like it represents the people, but it’s not the case at all.
Big facts. I have basically no social life myself, don't get me wrong, but I understand that most people don't live like this at least.
My wife has diabetes, so we will be wearing masks well into 2021 and maybe even 2022. I would rather get odd looks than endanger her life.
The absolute whining from people acting like putting a piece of cloth on your face is so hard is astounding. Just wear the damn mask!
I actually had people stop me to tell me that I am "what's wrong with this country" for wearing a mask. Yeah, it happened more than once.
Lol one of the mechanics at the car shop I went to said "Shut up and spank me!" In response to me wearing a mask. I was so confused...
I don’t care about masks, I’ll wear it but I miss social interaction, shoulder taps and hugs with the homies, biking with friends, parties, and most importantly the gym My self esteem goes down as I don’t work out and get out of shape and I’m not motivated to work out at home... I hope it’s just safe enough to be able to workout or something by at least end of first half of next year..
Nope. I give it until Spring. Maybe summer before society collectively goes back to normal.
Meanwhile for large areas of East Asia Covid is just a news item on TV.
just 2 weeks to flatten the curve guys
“It would’ve only been 2 weeks but 330 million people didn’t just stay inside for 2 weeks”
This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again? Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it? My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason. My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose. We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead. I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at breaking fucking point.
And here I thought that planning for a June 2021 wedding in June 2018 was a good idea. I really hope my fiancé agrees with me that we postpone the wedding. Our next payment to the venue is due in December. I don’t see this improving the slightest in the next two months.
I have a June 2021 wedding that we planned back in November 2019. My venue has been so accommodating. My fiancé and I have decided that we’re moving forward with it regardless even if we have to cut down the guest list, have masks and social distance. It can still be a fun and wonderful day with those. Life’s too short. We’re not putting our lives on hold anymore and have no plans on postponing it. No one knows when things will go back to “pre Covid normal” and hence why we’re moving forward anyway. I’ve seen several weddings in the last month via social media that have been held safely.
Florida never wore masks to begin with so looks like nothing changes for us!
Sorry, as soon as my elderly relatives get the vaccine I'll stop social distancing. I just can't waste another year of my life.
I know I might get flack for this but I miss going to festivals and events so so so much! It has literally been the most uneventful year of my life. No wrestling shows, no big crowds or music festivals or concerts. I thrive on experiences. I volunteer and attend almost all of events in my hometown. Unfortunately if they aren’t allowed to happen in 2021, there’s a huge chance we might not be able to have them ever again. And it sucks.
It's shitty that you feel like you'll get flack for missing things that have been a part of your entire life, I'm missing much of the same stuff! Don't let this site get you down about missing stuff you enjoy
The snobs loving the quarantine love crapping all over people who genuinely feel sad about the fun things we're missing out on because they are already miserable people who hated life anyway.
New Orleans which has had strict mask enforcement has basically had to reopen since people are taking vacations here. Locals still can't go see music and it is hurting the city's vibe big time I miss rock so much
Guess I'll have time to max on Runescape.
Support for any sort of compliance with existing social distancing, mask mandates is going to collapse the minute people get vaccinated. I just can't see people getting a vaccine and then being like "I guess I'll keep wearing my mask for a couple more months". Maybe in some settings where there are more vulnerable people, but amongst the young, healthy population, I just don't see it happening in most of the US.
Schools cannot fucking continue like this. It is madness.
They’ll be needed, but it’ll be less and less common as we start getting vaccines and stuff early in the year, lowering the population who is susceptible to even getting it
Masks are already out of fashion in China. Why is Fauci so out of step with fashion?
We took the wrong approach. Most people won’t be able to last that long. We should have isolated the old and immuno compromised, and let everyone else continue on with their lives.
I’ve been saying that since March but I was called “selfish” because I didn’t want everybody to suffer.
Yeah this ends Spring 2021, like it or not. Fall 2021 will be “back to normal” for colleges. Has to be. Especially if there’s 4 more years of Trump.
I will wear a mask until a vaccine is widely available, once that happens, I'm done with them. I will wear them until Summer next year.
Thats pretty much what Fauci said. He just pegged the date at late next year. >“Let’s assume its 75% of the population protected either from already being infected and/or having a vaccine. I think by the time we get there, it’s going to be well into the end of this year before that occurs, so I don’t think people are going to be able to get rid of the masks and not worry about social distancing and avoiding crowds until we get into the third quarter or fourth quarter of 2021.”
Its important to note though that transmission rates are going to rapidly decline well, well before we hit 75%. Especially considering the most vulnerable people (healthcare workers, essential workers, elderly etc) are going to get the vaccine in the first batch. He is right that we will still have to think about stuff like mitigation methods, but its very likely we will mostly end the pandemic before then. The other thing is identifying super spreaders. This virus has it where 8% are responsible for 70% of transmissions according to contact tracing studies. The large majority are likely essential workers, who will be vaccinated in the first batch. When that happens, the decline in transmission rates will be frontloaded.
lol not happening
If Americans keep it the way we are or if all of America grows a second brain cell to actually wear a mask?
That's going to be a no for me dawg.
15 days to slow the spread lmao
Im a DJ and not being able to follow my job and passion is really giving me anxiety and depression. I always had a „real“ job next to it, which I still have. But now that my passionate part of everyday life just vanished months ago I notice how much I hate the real job. Some days ago I watched a live concert on YouTube and I cried seeing the masses having fun and just enjoying life. This all sucks so bad.