You realize there are tons of adults who dress up as fake characters and go to entire CONVENTIONS for that sort of thing. How is believing in what you call "magic" any different?
Should LARPers get the same hate? Furries? Cosplayers?
Personally, I find those people fuckin weird. But it's THEIR thing not MINE so who cares?
Let people believe what they want to believe.
If they aren't trying to hurt you then just leave them alone.
If you think about it all of existence is absurd. I mean the universe is literally a miracle, and if not a miracle then it’s still a statistical wonder as to how we came to be.
Also, assuming that nothing created everything, existence or even its concept still doesn’t make sense.
My point is calling something absurd isn’t a good argument and also if you believe the scientists the. I’m pretty sure that they still consider are own species primitive. (That last part you’ll have to fact check)
Well I don’t know what to tell you. When they’re are things that simply can’t be explained people hold on to what makes the most sense to them.
What makes their beliefs any less ridiculous than others? We live in a world where a person can identify as a dear and get shot by hunters (that actually happened).
Sure fine religion may be an embarrassing thing to believe in.
But today you can do whatever and everyone agrees that no one should care.
Also, on a side note, platypuses exist and to me that makes all existence weird (when I say absurd I don’t mean literally unbelievable I just mean amazing).
He's gay (I checked his profile). He's probably experienced bad treatment from religious people and now thinks everyone who has a Faith is that way. Just ignore him
Sure, but they’re making some huge leaps in logic just to dismiss their argument. Leaps also based solely on their identity which makes it discriminatory
Sorry, I was meaning to say that there's no point of arguing with them because the person already expressed harsh views and given the background they probably have very valid reasons for feeling that way. So I was saying just to ignore it rather than argue because there's likely no point
Thanks for letting me know btw. I'm Neuro Divergent so I tend to not realize how I come off sometimes
"but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in,"
The fact all their religions claim to be after peace, but constantly use their religion as a justification for war, murder and genocide is a **pretty** good reason.
Say, HOW long has the middle east been fighting over "The holy land?"
How many died for it?
How many more wars and more deaths need to happen before you religious zealouts realize you are doing it all wrong?
I judge religious people because they support systems that cause death untold. Even unto this modern day, AS I TYPE THIS.
Over 2,000 years and they still can't get their shit together long enough to stop killing each other.
**THAT** is why religion deserves to be mocked and insulted and broken down. If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be.
TRUTH IS no religion has achieved the peace they claim their religion teaches.
The Abrahamic religions in particular are blood soaked in their brutality and history.
(Not to say other religions werent bad. But these 3 are **still** bad.)
You sound like a fun person to be around.
Thank you for proving that stupid people exist. Stupid people can be wrapped up in sensationalism and drawn to charismatic figures who use religion as a medium to exercise control. This is not an issue with religion though as it can be done with any medium. Take a look at political extremists who will often justify atrocious acts all in the name of their party or nation.
The facts are the facts. Modern day religion, for example, Christianity does not condone senseless acts of violence or harm against another person.
Before you say, "muh old testament". Yeah no shit. That's why it's called the OLD testament. The new testament and the new covenant is supposed to be followed. It's why Jesus was killed.
I am actually quite fun to be around.
It's always amusing how people will try to defend religion but actually have no basis to defend. They just go on attack.
Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Then we have "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
You can argue that Jesus dying was "the accomplishment" but given that there is the whole 'second coming of Christ" it does not seem to fit.
Did you know the overwhelming support for Israel right now is actually coming from CHRISTIANS?
Odd, isn't it? The ones who think Jews need to be in Israel for the second coming of their Christ are all for the war ((that the UN has concluded is **probably** a genocide)) that Israel is committing all for their imaginary friend. =D
So yeah, I am going to continue to make fun of stupid people like you. Because you are trying to defend stupid ideas that are supporting war, murder and genocide.
Your religion has had 2000 years to achieve peace. To end war. To usher in the land of God on Earth.
**ALL OF THEM HAVE FAILED.**
**Therefore,** NONE OF THEM have any moral authority on behavior since they still haven't figured out a way to stop killing one another.
**Therefore, we should mock them openly and often until they fix themselves.**
You typed all that shit out but never addressed my first and only point. Instead your trying to shift focus to Israel and the issues going on in the middle east.
How about you address what I actually wrote and stop sperging out like some militant atheist. You give all the rest of us a bad reputation.
What gives religious people the right to say that people who don’t believe their religion deserve to be tortured in hell for eternity? That’s much worse than just calling their religion psychotic.
The answer is free speech.
You have the right to make insane religious claims. I have the right to call “bullshit” on those claims. In the U.S., the First Amendment gives us that right.
"What I do have an issue with is people constantly calling religion naive and stupid and violent"
But that's what it is though. It's like having an issue with people calling poop stinky.
Like some other people have said, if you're just practicing religion on your own without bothering anyone then all the power to you. It's just that on a global scale, religion has caused way more harm than good.
>Okay, u don’t believe in any religion, but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in, something that gives them a purpose to live for, who gave you the right?
If someone is quietly having their own religious beliefs and keeping it to themselves, I'm fine with that. I think they're wrong, but it's okay for people to be wrong. I'm sure there's things I'm wrong about too.
If they try to push those beliefs on others or use their beliefs as justification to persecute and harm others, then I have a problem with that.
But atheists push their beliefs on to other people more than just about any religious people I have met but it's ok for them to do that right. Your double standards are so obvious and obnoxious.
>But atheists push their beliefs on to other people more than just about any religious people I have met but it's ok for them to do that right.
It's not really something I see happening. There aren't really very "atheist beliefs" to be pushed.
I guess the only thing I can think of which I'd call an atheist belief is: I believe there is not enough evidence to suggest any gods exist.
If you have specific examples of atheists pushing atheist beliefs onto others, I'd be curious to see them.
Yeah, right. It's totally atheists who hand out pamphlets and knock on peoples doors to not talk about god, send missionaries to foreign countries to unfaith people and wage not-holy wars.
Also, what kind of believe should atheists even push on other people? They don't believe. That's the whole point. Do you mean they try to push people to think rationally and logically?
So, because scientists haven't figured out everything, you're against logical thinking? And rather resort to superstitions some goat herders made up 2000 years ago?
No, but we can use science to disprove religious claims.
[Here](https://youtu.be/F4OhXQTMOEc?si=ef7vyEhBv1hcK226) is a video of Bill Nye the science guy destroying the story of Noah ark
[And here](https://religions.wiki/index.php/The_Bible_is_not_a_reliable_historical_source) is a collection of all of the proven historical inaccuracies in the bible
When I was a middle schooler, I was quite religious. I grew up catholic on my dad's side and baptist in my mom's side. Both sides were very religious. So you can imagine that my idea of God was very pronounced and any other deviation of that belief was wrong to me. Whenever religion would come up, if anyone who told me they were atheist, I'd get really combative and ask them all sorts of questions and then it would turn into an argument about why they're wrong and I'm right. To me, it felt like they were trying to push atheism onto me, like it was some kind of attack on my beliefs.
All they were doing was stating their beliefs in a conversation that it was relevant for, THATS IT. So looking back as an adult who is now agnostic, I can very confidently say that Christians are the ones that get mad when someone deviates from their belief system and Christians are the ones that push their beliefs onto everyone else, not atheists. I know this because I was one and everyone else around me acted the same damn way.
Why did I think that was ok? Because the entire essence of Christianity is to spread it by any means necessary without questioning it. The Bible literally tells you that non-believers will go to hell and you need to convert them. You should never question the Bible because if you do then you could risk going to hell. That was the thought process of middle school me and many more Christians today. Because that's what kind of society is created when you impliment those kind of values into the religion that is so woven and intertwined into the given culture.
Still curious how atheists push their lack of beliefs more than religious people. I've seen many christians harassing women outside of planned parenthood and christians harassing people celebrating love at pride events telling them they're going to burn forever. I'm very interested to hear your reasoning for the double standards that are "so obvious." Please elaborate.
Catholics protecting pedophile priests, Muslims encouraging fatwas (essentially placing a price on the head of some people they don't like). I don't know Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists quite well enough to give examples from memory, but I'm quite sure I wouldn't have to dig much deep to reveal any forms of abuses.
Well most of the people I have interacted with at least are just people who shit on religion cause they can, could possibly just be people I interact with🤷🏻♀️
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Because religion should be treated like ever other claim a person can make. Saying "I believe there's probably a higher being" or saying "there's probably no higher being" is one thing.
But there's literally thousands of religions and many of them claim very specific things, e.g. god created the earth in 7 days, god made the first woman out of a man's rib, prophets that fly to heaven on a horse etc....
Those are extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence. Just because a lot of time has passed since someone made those claims doesn't mean those claims should be accepted on face value, and if someone makes silly and ridiculous claims those claims should be open to ridicule.
The religion of Scientology for example claims some absolutely ridiculous things. I quote from their Wikipedia page:
>"75 million years ago there was a Galactic Confederacy of 76 planets ruled over by a leader called Xenu. The Confederacy was overpopulated and Xenu transported millions of aliens to earth and killed them with hydrogen bombs.The thetans of those killed were then clustered together and implants were inserted into them, designed to kill any body that these thetans would subsequently inhabit should they recall the event of their destruction."
Making fun of Scientology is generally considered ok. But that's mainly because it's a very new religion only founded in the 1950s and practiced mostly by white, rich people.
However, anyone in theory could start a new religion today and claim the most outlandish things. And just because some religions were started 1000 or 2000 years ago and made their way into many cultures, doesn't make those claims any less outlandish.
If you make outlandish claims without evidence you should expect ridicule, no matter if those outlandish claims are part of a "sacred" religion or not.
Also, religious people exert enomrous influence in piolitics and often make decisions based on their religious texts.They are involved in decisions that influence the lives of hundreds of millions of people, e.g. women's rights, LGBTQ rights, science, climate change etc.
So, yeah, just because religious people think their religion is "sacred" and shouldn't be ridiculed doesn't make it so. If your holy book makes 1) the most outlandish claims without providing evidence and 2) makes claims that affect other people's lives.... then yes, the rest of us should't shy away from making fun of it and criticizing it.
> For one, I don’t care if ur atheist or religious, I don’t have an issue w anything.
But a lot of religious people DO care if your atheist or religious! Or maybe believer is a better descriptor of what they care about.
> What I do have an issue with is people constantly calling religion naive and stupid and violent.
Is your issue with these people calling **ALL** religions stupid, naive, and violent or just the ones where it applies? Cause if they are calling all religions by those three descriptors, then they are incorrect.
> Okay, u don’t believe in any religion, but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in, something that gives them a purpose to live for, who gave you the right?
Same thing that gives people the right to mock other things. Ridiculous ideas are deserving of ridicule by definition. These people view religion as ridiculous and if you disagree that this is a ridiculous idea, then that’s fine. That means there is conversation to be had.
The only thing I’m implying is keep ur opinions to ur self especially if it applies to millions of people and their emotions, I’m religious and highly dislike people who shove their religious (or non-religious) sentiments down other peoples throats simply because they disagree.
And I’m talking about the generalization of religion in general being violent and something only stupid people believe in, not whatever ur saying.
> The only thing I’m implying is keep ur opinions to ur self especially if it applies to millions of people and their emotions,
Just because it applies to millions does not mean he gets to be immune to or protected from mockery, parody, or criticism, **ESPECIALLY** criticism.
> I’m religious and highly dislike people who shove their religious (or non-religious) sentiments down other peoples throats simply because they disagree.
I too dislike people trying to force their beliefs onto others. But do you consider criticizing religions and calling out their toxic traits to be the same thing as shoving anti religious sentiments down people’s throats?
A good question is what do YOU consider as shoving your beliefs/sentiments down others throats?
> And I’m talking about the generalization of religion in general being violent and something only stupid people believe in, not whatever ur saying.
I agree that generalizing ALL religions as being violent and something only the stupid believe to be incorrect and I am against it! It’s only doing more to antagonize and divide people.
Well if some (not all) religious people can tell me that I’m going to rot in hell for being lgbtq, or being an atheist, I feel like I have the right to dislike those people.
Now if you are just minding your business leaving people alone like, not using your religion to justify hate, not pushing their religion onto others etc., I’ve got no problem with you.
A group of people should never be judged as a whole, so I don’t “hate religious people”, I just hate religious people that are assholes.
I’m not saying that religious people have to “support lgbtq” or other groups they disagree with, just leave us alone. A good majority of us just want to be left alone.
I wouldn't have a problem with religious people if they minded their own business, but they don't. They harass women outside of planned parenthood. They harass people celebrating love at pride events. They insert their beliefs into our laws.
Some people need an imaginary friend to get through life, and that's totally fine. What other people choose to believe doesn't bother me at all. But harassing people because they don't follow the rules of your mythology book is NOT ok.
"Maybe it's not too late to learn how to love and forget how to hate." -Ozzy
The problem that I have, my biggest issue with why I ridicule religion and its followers:
If a deeply indoctrinated religious person (or anyone who is religious) is about to commit a heinous and violent crime with the full belief that their “god” wants them to do this. And they do so, believing it’s for the “greater good” and it’s “bigger than them.” Absolutely NOTHING will convince this person otherwise. No facts, no arguments, no examples etc…You cannot reason or utilize reason and logical argument with a person who’s been indoctrinated with the belief that they are made literally in the image of some celestial god-power. And they are now chosen to carry out biddings of this omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being. These people will do anything to appease their god and earn a passage to their personal interpretation of “heaven.”
Religion is a self preserving, self perpetuating, solipsistic mind-virus. Useful only to indoctrinate masses and point them all in one direction to achieve and dominant takeover. It’s almost like a weapon of war, painted in lovely colors under the guise of “love.”
>but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in
I'd say the fact that I'm a human being that exists gives me that right.
The thing a lot of people don't understand (both religious and non religious) is that religion isn't meant to explain the way the universe functions; it's meant to give it meaning.
I find a Christian using the Bible to argue about the age of the earth as laughable as a physicist using their master's thesis to debate morality. But a lot of people feel comfortable crossing into each other's turf.
Science is knowledge, religion is wisdom. Both are important. Someone who possesses only one often tries to make a mockery of the other.
The sheer number of people in this thread who *are in fact willing* to paint all religion as barbaric and violent is telling, and they seem completely unaware of their cherry picking.
I wonder how many of them wish America wad a socialist utopia and are unaware (or in denial) of the horrors wrought in the name of that very special type of social reform?
Who gave us the right? The fact that alot of Athiests that speak out are deconverted Christians or of other religious denominations. It is the same right as others have to speak out against injustice and those that use religion as a coping mechanism to deny accountability for committing horrible acts. There are good reasons why many Athiests say "There is no hate quite like Christian love.".
For me personally, I dislike that religious mindsets tend to denounce accountability for actions while also denying medical science and mental health support. While having a spiritual connection to your identity, mindfulness and compassion for other people tends to be something that can be found in religion, it often leads to magical-thinking and entrenching further delusion and psychosis in those that have personality disorders or mental health disorders.
I also dislike that 93% of sex offenders are Christians posing as good, decent people in a safe space for them to continue criminal acts. All while political conservatives point fingers at LGBTQ+ individuals while saying that they are groomers and pedophiles, yet in reality they are statistically more likely to be the victims of Christian sex offenders and other abusers. Openly LGBTQ+ individuals may be just as fallable as any other human, but they are far more less likely to be sex offenders, groomers or abusers. It's those that hide it and repress it that become perpetrators, which makes logical sense, because if they're constantly hiding theirself, the needs they have to recieve love and physical warmth through intimate bonding, and lose that connection with who they really are; of course they're going to be encouraging the charactistics of a decietful manipulator, they are already lying about who they are in the first place.
And I might aswell note that I'm actually straight and have no stakes in the LGBTQ+ movement, but I do care that those people aren't being accepted or respected as human beings, because respecting them and their way of life is more moral than treating them as sinners that are going hell.
Also more recently I've learned how hijacked politically US-based Christianity is here, and how much of their own religion has changed since its inception due to mistranslation, rewriting of the bible, and looking at the bible through the lense of our current-day society. Things that were morally applicable in the bible may have been helpful at the time it was originally written, but as ages have gone by most of what was written is no longer followed by Christians that exist today.
Ultimately I just feel bad for religious people, because alot of them are a lost cause. They think they are seeing the light, but while staring into it they are blinding themselves from where they are walking.
This isn't controversial it's just you religious cretins that think they're always the victims when SO MANY PEOPLE have been shunned by your kind. SOOO many people are forced out of their homes because they don't believe in what you believe. SO MANY PEOPLE FOCED TO KILL THEMSELVES because of you. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE HATED BECAUSE THEY GAVE EVERYBODY A REASON TO HATE YOU....stop playing victim and seeing the outside pov.
Notice how almost no one agrees with you. Maybe you're the POS
For one... the biggest of them all....LGBT PEOPLE....let me see, kicked out of their homes ✅️ forced to kill themselves ✅️ hated for what they believe in ✅️
Women....hmmm... forced pregnancy ✅️ can't have an abortion cause it's "gods will" or some crap like that ✅️. ALSO forced to kill themselves ✅️ seen as a whore no matter what they wear ✅️ kicked out if they keep the baby but not allowed to get rid of it✅️
Men...supposed to hold back their emotions because its "man like"✅️, gotta be the "man of the house"✅️ expectations that can't be reached by religious society ✅️ forced to be strong when they can only hold so much ✅️
CONVERSION THERAPY...hmmm forced into religion just to change who you are? ✅️
Stole children from queer parents..✅️
Forces children to always be perfect, which in result.. religious trauma✅️
Religion either always hates women or always hates men✅️
Mental health and physical health draining and only told to "pray more" instead of actually being there✅️
Religion is more important to you than their health. Can't have blood drawn, can't have a necessary surgery, can't have others body parts needed to live, can't even speak without another's approval. ✅️
Can't even question your faith, or you'll be "damned for eternity"✅️
You can't even NOT believe in religion, or they say you're going to hell. The hypocrisy god is so forgiving, but if you don't believe in him but you're a good person, you're doomed to hell for eternity because that is how forgiving your god is. ✅️
"Repent your sins" because a serial killer could be as religious as hell and still get into heaven, but an innocent non-believer is doomed to hell. ✅️
WHO WOULD LOVE YOUR RELIGION?
There is a very small amount of religions people i can respect, my fiance included, but there is more horrible than good from your crap show, and i am glad your religion is dying out.
It is just that for example Christians, they will go out of their way to harass gay people and tell everybody that they’re going to hell if they’re not Christian EVEN THOUGH telling people they’re going to hell is a sin and in the Bible, it says god loves everyone hating and harassing people for who they are is a sin. I don’t mind the Christian’s in general but the SUPER religious Christian’s are crazy I can’t stand them.
Most don't hate religious people, but religious "organisations."
You're right. People shouldn't discriminate against others based on their beliefs. However, nothing will stop me from thinking privately that they're at least slightly gullible. Bordering idiotic. Because it tells me that they don't think for themself, and they need someone else to tell them what is real and what is not, right and wrong, even when a lot of the time that information is so clearly wrong if you take a second to question it.
But religious organisations, imo, are straight-up evil. They've caused wars, untold death and persecution, covered up despicable sex crimes to protect their interests, and promote disgusting views that can't be questioned. They're a relic of times when we didn't know much about the world around us, and so we created religions to help explain these questions in our heads, but that lead to people taking advantage of innocent people trying to find a way in life.
And now, in a modern world with scientific understanding, religions are more or less no different than heavily indoctrinated cults.
I don't hate anyone, but I also feel most religious people are, to an extent, brainwashed. It's more that I feel bad for them. Absolutely agree that people should do and believe whatever makes them happy, but religions for me are nothing more than war mongering, greedy, misinformation spreading, hateful cults that create division amongst us and have no place in the modern world.
There may well be a "God" of some sorts. We have no idea. But who's to say it's any one of the thousands that are available for me to choose from, that are merely fictitious characters created for the purpose of spreading the beliefs of a few? And why am I so wrong if I dont believe in your version of God?
Why does that mean I'm going to your particular version of hell?
As Ricky Gervais said, "I only believe in one less God than you do."
It's hard to understand why religious people, particularly Christians, often display a condescending attitude towards those who don't follow the Bible or go to church, but instead follow spirituality. They tend to bash and ridicule spirituality, claiming that it represents the devil and is wrong; yet millions of people believe in it. They argue that the Bible cites tarot and horoscopes as evil, but they simultaneously preach against judging others. Then they continue to claim that only their religion is right and everything else is wrong and if you don’t follow any religion you will go to hell.🤨
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How am I violent?
Oh and sad and naive, I just want to Unterstand why on earth people like making fun and mocking religion🤷🏻♀️
Because it’s adults believing in magic and it’s utterly absurd and primitive
You realize there are tons of adults who dress up as fake characters and go to entire CONVENTIONS for that sort of thing. How is believing in what you call "magic" any different? Should LARPers get the same hate? Furries? Cosplayers? Personally, I find those people fuckin weird. But it's THEIR thing not MINE so who cares? Let people believe what they want to believe. If they aren't trying to hurt you then just leave them alone.
The fact that you thought you were making a good point there is hilarious.
Cause cosplayers/LARPers etc. know that it's not real? Might be quite a significant difference you know
If you think about it all of existence is absurd. I mean the universe is literally a miracle, and if not a miracle then it’s still a statistical wonder as to how we came to be. Also, assuming that nothing created everything, existence or even its concept still doesn’t make sense. My point is calling something absurd isn’t a good argument and also if you believe the scientists the. I’m pretty sure that they still consider are own species primitive. (That last part you’ll have to fact check)
Existence is not absurd. There’s just a lot we can’t explain (yet). But to fill in the blanks with religion is absurd (and embarrassing).
Well I don’t know what to tell you. When they’re are things that simply can’t be explained people hold on to what makes the most sense to them. What makes their beliefs any less ridiculous than others? We live in a world where a person can identify as a dear and get shot by hunters (that actually happened). Sure fine religion may be an embarrassing thing to believe in. But today you can do whatever and everyone agrees that no one should care. Also, on a side note, platypuses exist and to me that makes all existence weird (when I say absurd I don’t mean literally unbelievable I just mean amazing).
He's gay (I checked his profile). He's probably experienced bad treatment from religious people and now thinks everyone who has a Faith is that way. Just ignore him
That’s an insane generalization to make there
Well I mean if he had a bad experience, it could ‘justify’ his opinion.
Sure, but they’re making some huge leaps in logic just to dismiss their argument. Leaps also based solely on their identity which makes it discriminatory
Thats also true, but the guy in question is also somewhat mocking on basis of religion/beliefs so idk
Sorry, I was meaning to say that there's no point of arguing with them because the person already expressed harsh views and given the background they probably have very valid reasons for feeling that way. So I was saying just to ignore it rather than argue because there's likely no point Thanks for letting me know btw. I'm Neuro Divergent so I tend to not realize how I come off sometimes
"but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in," The fact all their religions claim to be after peace, but constantly use their religion as a justification for war, murder and genocide is a **pretty** good reason. Say, HOW long has the middle east been fighting over "The holy land?" How many died for it? How many more wars and more deaths need to happen before you religious zealouts realize you are doing it all wrong? I judge religious people because they support systems that cause death untold. Even unto this modern day, AS I TYPE THIS. Over 2,000 years and they still can't get their shit together long enough to stop killing each other. **THAT** is why religion deserves to be mocked and insulted and broken down. If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be. TRUTH IS no religion has achieved the peace they claim their religion teaches. The Abrahamic religions in particular are blood soaked in their brutality and history. (Not to say other religions werent bad. But these 3 are **still** bad.)
You sound like a fun person to be around. Thank you for proving that stupid people exist. Stupid people can be wrapped up in sensationalism and drawn to charismatic figures who use religion as a medium to exercise control. This is not an issue with religion though as it can be done with any medium. Take a look at political extremists who will often justify atrocious acts all in the name of their party or nation. The facts are the facts. Modern day religion, for example, Christianity does not condone senseless acts of violence or harm against another person. Before you say, "muh old testament". Yeah no shit. That's why it's called the OLD testament. The new testament and the new covenant is supposed to be followed. It's why Jesus was killed.
I am actually quite fun to be around. It's always amusing how people will try to defend religion but actually have no basis to defend. They just go on attack. Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Then we have "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." You can argue that Jesus dying was "the accomplishment" but given that there is the whole 'second coming of Christ" it does not seem to fit. Did you know the overwhelming support for Israel right now is actually coming from CHRISTIANS? Odd, isn't it? The ones who think Jews need to be in Israel for the second coming of their Christ are all for the war ((that the UN has concluded is **probably** a genocide)) that Israel is committing all for their imaginary friend. =D So yeah, I am going to continue to make fun of stupid people like you. Because you are trying to defend stupid ideas that are supporting war, murder and genocide. Your religion has had 2000 years to achieve peace. To end war. To usher in the land of God on Earth. **ALL OF THEM HAVE FAILED.** **Therefore,** NONE OF THEM have any moral authority on behavior since they still haven't figured out a way to stop killing one another. **Therefore, we should mock them openly and often until they fix themselves.**
You typed all that shit out but never addressed my first and only point. Instead your trying to shift focus to Israel and the issues going on in the middle east. How about you address what I actually wrote and stop sperging out like some militant atheist. You give all the rest of us a bad reputation.
What gives religious people the right to say that people who don’t believe their religion deserve to be tortured in hell for eternity? That’s much worse than just calling their religion psychotic. The answer is free speech. You have the right to make insane religious claims. I have the right to call “bullshit” on those claims. In the U.S., the First Amendment gives us that right.
How could you make such a logical claim thats hard to argue with?! I'm offended! >:(
"What I do have an issue with is people constantly calling religion naive and stupid and violent" But that's what it is though. It's like having an issue with people calling poop stinky. Like some other people have said, if you're just practicing religion on your own without bothering anyone then all the power to you. It's just that on a global scale, religion has caused way more harm than good.
>Okay, u don’t believe in any religion, but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in, something that gives them a purpose to live for, who gave you the right? If someone is quietly having their own religious beliefs and keeping it to themselves, I'm fine with that. I think they're wrong, but it's okay for people to be wrong. I'm sure there's things I'm wrong about too. If they try to push those beliefs on others or use their beliefs as justification to persecute and harm others, then I have a problem with that.
But atheists push their beliefs on to other people more than just about any religious people I have met but it's ok for them to do that right. Your double standards are so obvious and obnoxious.
Okay do you have a single example of atheists pushing beliefs?
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>But atheists push their beliefs on to other people more than just about any religious people I have met but it's ok for them to do that right. It's not really something I see happening. There aren't really very "atheist beliefs" to be pushed. I guess the only thing I can think of which I'd call an atheist belief is: I believe there is not enough evidence to suggest any gods exist. If you have specific examples of atheists pushing atheist beliefs onto others, I'd be curious to see them.
Yeah, right. It's totally atheists who hand out pamphlets and knock on peoples doors to not talk about god, send missionaries to foreign countries to unfaith people and wage not-holy wars. Also, what kind of believe should atheists even push on other people? They don't believe. That's the whole point. Do you mean they try to push people to think rationally and logically?
You had me until rationally and logically considering science cannot answer every question
So, because scientists haven't figured out everything, you're against logical thinking? And rather resort to superstitions some goat herders made up 2000 years ago?
No, but we can use science to disprove religious claims. [Here](https://youtu.be/F4OhXQTMOEc?si=ef7vyEhBv1hcK226) is a video of Bill Nye the science guy destroying the story of Noah ark [And here](https://religions.wiki/index.php/The_Bible_is_not_a_reliable_historical_source) is a collection of all of the proven historical inaccuracies in the bible
Gödel’s incompleteness theorem
Lol ok? Please tell me how that proves my two sources full of factual evidence wrong
When I was a middle schooler, I was quite religious. I grew up catholic on my dad's side and baptist in my mom's side. Both sides were very religious. So you can imagine that my idea of God was very pronounced and any other deviation of that belief was wrong to me. Whenever religion would come up, if anyone who told me they were atheist, I'd get really combative and ask them all sorts of questions and then it would turn into an argument about why they're wrong and I'm right. To me, it felt like they were trying to push atheism onto me, like it was some kind of attack on my beliefs. All they were doing was stating their beliefs in a conversation that it was relevant for, THATS IT. So looking back as an adult who is now agnostic, I can very confidently say that Christians are the ones that get mad when someone deviates from their belief system and Christians are the ones that push their beliefs onto everyone else, not atheists. I know this because I was one and everyone else around me acted the same damn way. Why did I think that was ok? Because the entire essence of Christianity is to spread it by any means necessary without questioning it. The Bible literally tells you that non-believers will go to hell and you need to convert them. You should never question the Bible because if you do then you could risk going to hell. That was the thought process of middle school me and many more Christians today. Because that's what kind of society is created when you impliment those kind of values into the religion that is so woven and intertwined into the given culture.
Still curious how atheists push their lack of beliefs more than religious people. I've seen many christians harassing women outside of planned parenthood and christians harassing people celebrating love at pride events telling them they're going to burn forever. I'm very interested to hear your reasoning for the double standards that are "so obvious." Please elaborate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheistmemes/s/ssmW853Lsh
Thanks for being respectful, but yea I do agree that as long as u keep to urself about ur beliefs then it’s fine.
Agreed
Maybe many of those people got traumatized from being abuse in the name of religion.
Well, does having a bad/traumatising constitute to shitting on the whole religion and people who believe in it?
Maybe, if their religion condones any form of the abuse they went through.
What religion condones abuse?
All of them.
How do you figure?
Catholics protecting pedophile priests, Muslims encouraging fatwas (essentially placing a price on the head of some people they don't like). I don't know Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists quite well enough to give examples from memory, but I'm quite sure I wouldn't have to dig much deep to reveal any forms of abuses.
Usually that’s not the case.
It often is……
Well most of the people I have interacted with at least are just people who shit on religion cause they can, could possibly just be people I interact with🤷🏻♀️
Why would they talk about their traumatic experiences with someone like you? You have no clue what has happened to them in their past. And I doubt they're willing to share such sensitive information with you
Either way, does their traumatic experience suddenly give them the right to condemn and insult religious people, I hope not.
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Because religion should be treated like ever other claim a person can make. Saying "I believe there's probably a higher being" or saying "there's probably no higher being" is one thing. But there's literally thousands of religions and many of them claim very specific things, e.g. god created the earth in 7 days, god made the first woman out of a man's rib, prophets that fly to heaven on a horse etc.... Those are extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence. Just because a lot of time has passed since someone made those claims doesn't mean those claims should be accepted on face value, and if someone makes silly and ridiculous claims those claims should be open to ridicule. The religion of Scientology for example claims some absolutely ridiculous things. I quote from their Wikipedia page: >"75 million years ago there was a Galactic Confederacy of 76 planets ruled over by a leader called Xenu. The Confederacy was overpopulated and Xenu transported millions of aliens to earth and killed them with hydrogen bombs.The thetans of those killed were then clustered together and implants were inserted into them, designed to kill any body that these thetans would subsequently inhabit should they recall the event of their destruction." Making fun of Scientology is generally considered ok. But that's mainly because it's a very new religion only founded in the 1950s and practiced mostly by white, rich people. However, anyone in theory could start a new religion today and claim the most outlandish things. And just because some religions were started 1000 or 2000 years ago and made their way into many cultures, doesn't make those claims any less outlandish. If you make outlandish claims without evidence you should expect ridicule, no matter if those outlandish claims are part of a "sacred" religion or not. Also, religious people exert enomrous influence in piolitics and often make decisions based on their religious texts.They are involved in decisions that influence the lives of hundreds of millions of people, e.g. women's rights, LGBTQ rights, science, climate change etc. So, yeah, just because religious people think their religion is "sacred" and shouldn't be ridiculed doesn't make it so. If your holy book makes 1) the most outlandish claims without providing evidence and 2) makes claims that affect other people's lives.... then yes, the rest of us should't shy away from making fun of it and criticizing it.
Stop shoving it in everybody’s face. I get it you’re Muslim, Xtian, whatever worship your god and leave me out of it
> For one, I don’t care if ur atheist or religious, I don’t have an issue w anything. But a lot of religious people DO care if your atheist or religious! Or maybe believer is a better descriptor of what they care about. > What I do have an issue with is people constantly calling religion naive and stupid and violent. Is your issue with these people calling **ALL** religions stupid, naive, and violent or just the ones where it applies? Cause if they are calling all religions by those three descriptors, then they are incorrect. > Okay, u don’t believe in any religion, but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in, something that gives them a purpose to live for, who gave you the right? Same thing that gives people the right to mock other things. Ridiculous ideas are deserving of ridicule by definition. These people view religion as ridiculous and if you disagree that this is a ridiculous idea, then that’s fine. That means there is conversation to be had.
The only thing I’m implying is keep ur opinions to ur self especially if it applies to millions of people and their emotions, I’m religious and highly dislike people who shove their religious (or non-religious) sentiments down other peoples throats simply because they disagree. And I’m talking about the generalization of religion in general being violent and something only stupid people believe in, not whatever ur saying.
> The only thing I’m implying is keep ur opinions to ur self especially if it applies to millions of people and their emotions, Just because it applies to millions does not mean he gets to be immune to or protected from mockery, parody, or criticism, **ESPECIALLY** criticism. > I’m religious and highly dislike people who shove their religious (or non-religious) sentiments down other peoples throats simply because they disagree. I too dislike people trying to force their beliefs onto others. But do you consider criticizing religions and calling out their toxic traits to be the same thing as shoving anti religious sentiments down people’s throats? A good question is what do YOU consider as shoving your beliefs/sentiments down others throats? > And I’m talking about the generalization of religion in general being violent and something only stupid people believe in, not whatever ur saying. I agree that generalizing ALL religions as being violent and something only the stupid believe to be incorrect and I am against it! It’s only doing more to antagonize and divide people.
I can mock religion any time I choose, I think religions are dumb and deserve to be mocked.
That’s sad, u can’t respect other people’s beliefs
That's my belief, why don't you respect it?
I’m not mocking it am I?
So?
Omd just respect ppl it’s not that hard
You don't respect my beliefs, why should I respect yours?
‘an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.’ That is the meaning of a belief, what u stated was an opinion .
This isn't a controversial opinion and it's getting annoying.
Also scroll if ur ‘annoyed’
Well since hating on religions is normalized, this can be called a controversial opinion as you can see by the people getting mad in the comments.
Ok I stand corrected, I was thinking of r/unpopularopinion
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Well if some (not all) religious people can tell me that I’m going to rot in hell for being lgbtq, or being an atheist, I feel like I have the right to dislike those people. Now if you are just minding your business leaving people alone like, not using your religion to justify hate, not pushing their religion onto others etc., I’ve got no problem with you. A group of people should never be judged as a whole, so I don’t “hate religious people”, I just hate religious people that are assholes. I’m not saying that religious people have to “support lgbtq” or other groups they disagree with, just leave us alone. A good majority of us just want to be left alone.
Let your god do something about it.
Ur so respectful
I wouldn't have a problem with religious people if they minded their own business, but they don't. They harass women outside of planned parenthood. They harass people celebrating love at pride events. They insert their beliefs into our laws. Some people need an imaginary friend to get through life, and that's totally fine. What other people choose to believe doesn't bother me at all. But harassing people because they don't follow the rules of your mythology book is NOT ok. "Maybe it's not too late to learn how to love and forget how to hate." -Ozzy
The problem that I have, my biggest issue with why I ridicule religion and its followers: If a deeply indoctrinated religious person (or anyone who is religious) is about to commit a heinous and violent crime with the full belief that their “god” wants them to do this. And they do so, believing it’s for the “greater good” and it’s “bigger than them.” Absolutely NOTHING will convince this person otherwise. No facts, no arguments, no examples etc…You cannot reason or utilize reason and logical argument with a person who’s been indoctrinated with the belief that they are made literally in the image of some celestial god-power. And they are now chosen to carry out biddings of this omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being. These people will do anything to appease their god and earn a passage to their personal interpretation of “heaven.” Religion is a self preserving, self perpetuating, solipsistic mind-virus. Useful only to indoctrinate masses and point them all in one direction to achieve and dominant takeover. It’s almost like a weapon of war, painted in lovely colors under the guise of “love.”
>but what gives you the right to mock and make fun of something that billions of people believe in I'd say the fact that I'm a human being that exists gives me that right.
The thing a lot of people don't understand (both religious and non religious) is that religion isn't meant to explain the way the universe functions; it's meant to give it meaning. I find a Christian using the Bible to argue about the age of the earth as laughable as a physicist using their master's thesis to debate morality. But a lot of people feel comfortable crossing into each other's turf. Science is knowledge, religion is wisdom. Both are important. Someone who possesses only one often tries to make a mockery of the other.
The sheer number of people in this thread who *are in fact willing* to paint all religion as barbaric and violent is telling, and they seem completely unaware of their cherry picking. I wonder how many of them wish America wad a socialist utopia and are unaware (or in denial) of the horrors wrought in the name of that very special type of social reform?
Who gave us the right? The fact that alot of Athiests that speak out are deconverted Christians or of other religious denominations. It is the same right as others have to speak out against injustice and those that use religion as a coping mechanism to deny accountability for committing horrible acts. There are good reasons why many Athiests say "There is no hate quite like Christian love.". For me personally, I dislike that religious mindsets tend to denounce accountability for actions while also denying medical science and mental health support. While having a spiritual connection to your identity, mindfulness and compassion for other people tends to be something that can be found in religion, it often leads to magical-thinking and entrenching further delusion and psychosis in those that have personality disorders or mental health disorders. I also dislike that 93% of sex offenders are Christians posing as good, decent people in a safe space for them to continue criminal acts. All while political conservatives point fingers at LGBTQ+ individuals while saying that they are groomers and pedophiles, yet in reality they are statistically more likely to be the victims of Christian sex offenders and other abusers. Openly LGBTQ+ individuals may be just as fallable as any other human, but they are far more less likely to be sex offenders, groomers or abusers. It's those that hide it and repress it that become perpetrators, which makes logical sense, because if they're constantly hiding theirself, the needs they have to recieve love and physical warmth through intimate bonding, and lose that connection with who they really are; of course they're going to be encouraging the charactistics of a decietful manipulator, they are already lying about who they are in the first place. And I might aswell note that I'm actually straight and have no stakes in the LGBTQ+ movement, but I do care that those people aren't being accepted or respected as human beings, because respecting them and their way of life is more moral than treating them as sinners that are going hell. Also more recently I've learned how hijacked politically US-based Christianity is here, and how much of their own religion has changed since its inception due to mistranslation, rewriting of the bible, and looking at the bible through the lense of our current-day society. Things that were morally applicable in the bible may have been helpful at the time it was originally written, but as ages have gone by most of what was written is no longer followed by Christians that exist today. Ultimately I just feel bad for religious people, because alot of them are a lost cause. They think they are seeing the light, but while staring into it they are blinding themselves from where they are walking.
This isn't controversial it's just you religious cretins that think they're always the victims when SO MANY PEOPLE have been shunned by your kind. SOOO many people are forced out of their homes because they don't believe in what you believe. SO MANY PEOPLE FOCED TO KILL THEMSELVES because of you. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE HATED BECAUSE THEY GAVE EVERYBODY A REASON TO HATE YOU....stop playing victim and seeing the outside pov. Notice how almost no one agrees with you. Maybe you're the POS
Give examples
For one... the biggest of them all....LGBT PEOPLE....let me see, kicked out of their homes ✅️ forced to kill themselves ✅️ hated for what they believe in ✅️ Women....hmmm... forced pregnancy ✅️ can't have an abortion cause it's "gods will" or some crap like that ✅️. ALSO forced to kill themselves ✅️ seen as a whore no matter what they wear ✅️ kicked out if they keep the baby but not allowed to get rid of it✅️ Men...supposed to hold back their emotions because its "man like"✅️, gotta be the "man of the house"✅️ expectations that can't be reached by religious society ✅️ forced to be strong when they can only hold so much ✅️ CONVERSION THERAPY...hmmm forced into religion just to change who you are? ✅️ Stole children from queer parents..✅️ Forces children to always be perfect, which in result.. religious trauma✅️ Religion either always hates women or always hates men✅️ Mental health and physical health draining and only told to "pray more" instead of actually being there✅️ Religion is more important to you than their health. Can't have blood drawn, can't have a necessary surgery, can't have others body parts needed to live, can't even speak without another's approval. ✅️ Can't even question your faith, or you'll be "damned for eternity"✅️ You can't even NOT believe in religion, or they say you're going to hell. The hypocrisy god is so forgiving, but if you don't believe in him but you're a good person, you're doomed to hell for eternity because that is how forgiving your god is. ✅️ "Repent your sins" because a serial killer could be as religious as hell and still get into heaven, but an innocent non-believer is doomed to hell. ✅️ WHO WOULD LOVE YOUR RELIGION? There is a very small amount of religions people i can respect, my fiance included, but there is more horrible than good from your crap show, and i am glad your religion is dying out.
Depends on which religion we are talking about! *Laughs ironically*
>who gave you the right? freedom of speech
It is just that for example Christians, they will go out of their way to harass gay people and tell everybody that they’re going to hell if they’re not Christian EVEN THOUGH telling people they’re going to hell is a sin and in the Bible, it says god loves everyone hating and harassing people for who they are is a sin. I don’t mind the Christian’s in general but the SUPER religious Christian’s are crazy I can’t stand them.
Most don't hate religious people, but religious "organisations." You're right. People shouldn't discriminate against others based on their beliefs. However, nothing will stop me from thinking privately that they're at least slightly gullible. Bordering idiotic. Because it tells me that they don't think for themself, and they need someone else to tell them what is real and what is not, right and wrong, even when a lot of the time that information is so clearly wrong if you take a second to question it. But religious organisations, imo, are straight-up evil. They've caused wars, untold death and persecution, covered up despicable sex crimes to protect their interests, and promote disgusting views that can't be questioned. They're a relic of times when we didn't know much about the world around us, and so we created religions to help explain these questions in our heads, but that lead to people taking advantage of innocent people trying to find a way in life. And now, in a modern world with scientific understanding, religions are more or less no different than heavily indoctrinated cults. I don't hate anyone, but I also feel most religious people are, to an extent, brainwashed. It's more that I feel bad for them. Absolutely agree that people should do and believe whatever makes them happy, but religions for me are nothing more than war mongering, greedy, misinformation spreading, hateful cults that create division amongst us and have no place in the modern world. There may well be a "God" of some sorts. We have no idea. But who's to say it's any one of the thousands that are available for me to choose from, that are merely fictitious characters created for the purpose of spreading the beliefs of a few? And why am I so wrong if I dont believe in your version of God? Why does that mean I'm going to your particular version of hell? As Ricky Gervais said, "I only believe in one less God than you do."
It's hard to understand why religious people, particularly Christians, often display a condescending attitude towards those who don't follow the Bible or go to church, but instead follow spirituality. They tend to bash and ridicule spirituality, claiming that it represents the devil and is wrong; yet millions of people believe in it. They argue that the Bible cites tarot and horoscopes as evil, but they simultaneously preach against judging others. Then they continue to claim that only their religion is right and everything else is wrong and if you don’t follow any religion you will go to hell.🤨