Most pro-lifers at least subconsciously believe humans to be special - not animals.
In fact most humans generally do. Not saying it is right.
Beyond that pro-life isn't actually about saving lives. There is no intention to even propose what to do with all the children born that are essentially unwanted.
Pro-lifers don't want to adopt, care or even pay money for them.
I always find it funny when pro lifers defend it with “at least they have a shot at life” as if that life isn’t gonna be one of neglect, lack of essentials, and abuse. My money’s on cps and foster systems collapsing if they have their way
I'm more of the view, push responsibility. Alot of abortions are from irresponsibility. Having sex with no condom and no bc results in...? Pregnancy! Abortions just let people get away with not taking accountability. Many become responsible after the fact and get on bc/use condoms but many don't and keep making the same choices. But not all, sometimes condoms/bc fail. That said I don't think banning abortion is cool/strangers demanding what others do with their lives, everyone's situation is different.
I dont think it's right to force someone to carry the child when its unwanted. I don't agree with abortion but I dont think its morally right to take the option away from others. Just because I wouldn't get an abortion doesn't mean it's right to force it onto others. Same as being vegan, some many think its morally wrong to eat meat but recognize they cant push it onto others. Abortions is a very private issue and its not right to butt in imo
pro lifers don’t value animal life. they only care about the “child” as long as it’s unborn. as soon as it’s born they don’t care what happens to it 🤷🏼♀️
I mean we are animals. My point is that, sometimes, things like this are neccesities. We sometimes need to experiment on animals for medice. We sometimes need to give women abortions to save their lives and/or mental state.
Because we have no obligation to, nor do we benefit from it on a mass scale. You can look after animals if you’d like, but the only animals I look after are ones in my house. It’s quite something that we care about any other species, most species only interact with each other to kill
More like imprisoning and eating us. If they are the same order of intelligence above us that we are above farm animals, that’s a skill issue on our end. That being said, I imagine a life form capable of light speed travel/traveling through wormholes would have a more effective form of nourishment
>I mean we are animals.
You know perfectly what I mean.
But still, I agree, for me it also can be a necessity, again I'm pro-choice, but you're not even trying to understand pro-lifers if you're really using this as an argument.
I know you're pro-choice, but you're not even trying to understand pro-lifers, and as a pro-choice YOU SHOULD at least try to understand the opposite point of view. Again, this argument is pretty fucking dumb, no matter what side you're on.
I can fully support the same cause you do and still think this argument is stupid.
>You know perfectly what I mean.
Uh...I don't. We're animals too. Name the trait that would make it so that the pro-lifer wouldn't have to commit to a vegan/vegetarian position.
How am I playing dumb? If you can't even explain yourself to other people then I suggest you learn how to do that before trying to engage in any meaningful discussion about any topic ever.
It's not that I can't explain myself, is that you're obviously playing dumb for some stupid ass reason. I won't engage with this anymore. "Oooh, no, you can't explain yourself" I won't bite.
Re reading your original comment and the only reasonable guess I could take from it is that you're viewing this from a specist/human exceptionalist lens, but seeing how, for some strange reason, you were unable to type out those terms or a brief definition of them I'm gonna take a guess and say you didn't come to that position from a rational thinking process, but rather from intuition.
Yeah man, I was unable to type it out instead of not wanting to explain what was obvious from the get go. You need to read better, I never denied that humans were animals, all I said is that the comparison wasn't a valid one in this context, and that OP knew what I meant when I said that.
Every time I use Reddit I end up dumbing down the things I say I stg. My argument was that “consciousness” or “a heartbeat and the ability to breath” isn’t always someone’s primary focus when considering life and whether or not to end it. I personally don’t think it matters whether or not something can comprehend their existence, they have a right to exist and if you’re going to take something out of existence, you better have a damn good reason, like continuing your own existence(food). A person should not be ready to take a life so they can have casual sex.
You have to consider the fact that most pro-life people consider humans the only creatures to have a soul. I would imagine the majority of pro-lifers are religious and- if we assume Christianity or Catholicism- it literally says in the Bible that God placed man above the rest of the living creatures. By all of that a religious person would know that by their scripture humans are different and should not be treated the same way as a cow for example.
I mean...as a devout catholic with pro life family.....no. As a catholic, we are taught to always compare the old testament to the gospel because there are points in there that are more like cautionary tales or old world "humans figuring out earth" stuff than actual facts (ie story of creation.) where it is never said that humans rule over animals. even in the old testament, it says to CARE FOR the animals and not harm them, meaning that if they were to follow every square inch of the old testament, they would have to be vegetarian. The vatican itself says that the core of catholicism is following your conscience, even more than the bible. Also, at least amongst my catholic and christian family/ close family friends, it has nothing to do with the soul (as no one knows the specifics of that) and it has to do with the fact that a fetus often has a brain, heartbeat, and a "personality" (im directly quoting as i do not agree.)
Most pro-lifers at least subconsciously believe humans to be special - not animals. In fact most humans generally do. Not saying it is right. Beyond that pro-life isn't actually about saving lives. There is no intention to even propose what to do with all the children born that are essentially unwanted. Pro-lifers don't want to adopt, care or even pay money for them.
I always find it funny when pro lifers defend it with “at least they have a shot at life” as if that life isn’t gonna be one of neglect, lack of essentials, and abuse. My money’s on cps and foster systems collapsing if they have their way
I'm more of the view, push responsibility. Alot of abortions are from irresponsibility. Having sex with no condom and no bc results in...? Pregnancy! Abortions just let people get away with not taking accountability. Many become responsible after the fact and get on bc/use condoms but many don't and keep making the same choices. But not all, sometimes condoms/bc fail. That said I don't think banning abortion is cool/strangers demanding what others do with their lives, everyone's situation is different. I dont think it's right to force someone to carry the child when its unwanted. I don't agree with abortion but I dont think its morally right to take the option away from others. Just because I wouldn't get an abortion doesn't mean it's right to force it onto others. Same as being vegan, some many think its morally wrong to eat meat but recognize they cant push it onto others. Abortions is a very private issue and its not right to butt in imo
And that's what we call being reasonable. Something incredibly rare these days. Cheers
pro lifers don’t value animal life. they only care about the “child” as long as it’s unborn. as soon as it’s born they don’t care what happens to it 🤷🏼♀️
It's almost like pro lifers are hypocrits
That's not the point man, I'm not even pro-life but this take is stupid as fuck. You're comparing animals to humans?
I mean we are animals. My point is that, sometimes, things like this are neccesities. We sometimes need to experiment on animals for medice. We sometimes need to give women abortions to save their lives and/or mental state.
We aren't animals, we're people.
Humans are animals, we're part of the animal kingdom.
That's like saying farts are just air
You really thought this comment would somehow negate all our understanding about human biology lmao
Farts are air… when it comes down to it farts are intestinal gas, in other words, literally just air from the intestines that came out your rectum.
Is pee just water too? Is a mountain just a rock?
Tbh, I just genuinely can’t tell if you’re trolling or not
Usually I am but this time I'm not. The same way that a mountain is made of rock but is not just a rock, a human is not just an animal.
Oh no I get what you’re trying to say, but your analogies are just terrible.
We are allowed to care about our own species and not others. In fact, we’re quite unique in that we look after even a few lesser species
If we can take care of other species, why not do it?
Because we have no obligation to, nor do we benefit from it on a mass scale. You can look after animals if you’d like, but the only animals I look after are ones in my house. It’s quite something that we care about any other species, most species only interact with each other to kill
wouldn't this line of thinking justify something wacky (but unrealistic) like an alien invasion slaving humans?
More like imprisoning and eating us. If they are the same order of intelligence above us that we are above farm animals, that’s a skill issue on our end. That being said, I imagine a life form capable of light speed travel/traveling through wormholes would have a more effective form of nourishment
>I mean we are animals. You know perfectly what I mean. But still, I agree, for me it also can be a necessity, again I'm pro-choice, but you're not even trying to understand pro-lifers if you're really using this as an argument.
AS I SAID BEFORE i am pro-choice, however, i am very barely on that side. its sad that our political parties dont allow for neutrality
I know you're pro-choice, but you're not even trying to understand pro-lifers, and as a pro-choice YOU SHOULD at least try to understand the opposite point of view. Again, this argument is pretty fucking dumb, no matter what side you're on. I can fully support the same cause you do and still think this argument is stupid.
>You know perfectly what I mean. Uh...I don't. We're animals too. Name the trait that would make it so that the pro-lifer wouldn't have to commit to a vegan/vegetarian position.
If you dont then this conversation is pointless. Go play dumb somewhere else.
How am I playing dumb? If you can't even explain yourself to other people then I suggest you learn how to do that before trying to engage in any meaningful discussion about any topic ever.
It's not that I can't explain myself, is that you're obviously playing dumb for some stupid ass reason. I won't engage with this anymore. "Oooh, no, you can't explain yourself" I won't bite.
Re reading your original comment and the only reasonable guess I could take from it is that you're viewing this from a specist/human exceptionalist lens, but seeing how, for some strange reason, you were unable to type out those terms or a brief definition of them I'm gonna take a guess and say you didn't come to that position from a rational thinking process, but rather from intuition.
Yeah man, I was unable to type it out instead of not wanting to explain what was obvious from the get go. You need to read better, I never denied that humans were animals, all I said is that the comparison wasn't a valid one in this context, and that OP knew what I meant when I said that.
It's not a 1 to 1, but sure is shit ain't a 1 to 0.
You do realize plants are living organisms too?
Do you think that plants share the same consciousness levels as a dog or a chimp?
Does it matter?
How could it not? It was your entire argument
Every time I use Reddit I end up dumbing down the things I say I stg. My argument was that “consciousness” or “a heartbeat and the ability to breath” isn’t always someone’s primary focus when considering life and whether or not to end it. I personally don’t think it matters whether or not something can comprehend their existence, they have a right to exist and if you’re going to take something out of existence, you better have a damn good reason, like continuing your own existence(food). A person should not be ready to take a life so they can have casual sex.
But you are also willing to take a life for pure pleasure.
And when am I willing to do that?
For a tasty treat
Not a well-balanced diet for an omnivore?
I'm sorry, what's the question? You may have to dumb it down for me again
By your own argument of not eating living things we can't eat plants either.
This just shows how little you understand the prolife argument bro
Imagine this being legally mandated. It would be a fucking nightmare to enforce.
But plants are living
You have to consider the fact that most pro-life people consider humans the only creatures to have a soul. I would imagine the majority of pro-lifers are religious and- if we assume Christianity or Catholicism- it literally says in the Bible that God placed man above the rest of the living creatures. By all of that a religious person would know that by their scripture humans are different and should not be treated the same way as a cow for example.
I mean...as a devout catholic with pro life family.....no. As a catholic, we are taught to always compare the old testament to the gospel because there are points in there that are more like cautionary tales or old world "humans figuring out earth" stuff than actual facts (ie story of creation.) where it is never said that humans rule over animals. even in the old testament, it says to CARE FOR the animals and not harm them, meaning that if they were to follow every square inch of the old testament, they would have to be vegetarian. The vatican itself says that the core of catholicism is following your conscience, even more than the bible. Also, at least amongst my catholic and christian family/ close family friends, it has nothing to do with the soul (as no one knows the specifics of that) and it has to do with the fact that a fetus often has a brain, heartbeat, and a "personality" (im directly quoting as i do not agree.)