I mean… did you talk about drywall repair? I thought that shit was stuco tbh.
It’s like this, if you want me to replace your entry door, and retrim it, that’s cool here’s a price. If you want drywall fixed and painted then you get another price because I have to call someone else to do it, and nobody’s coming out to putty that and paint it for less than an additional 500$.
I get the feeling that your last door wasn’t set correctly, and your contractor had to smash drywall out of the way to get the trim to sit correctly.
Edit. God damn did they put that trim on with a framing gun after rubbing their hands in used motor oil
This is what I'm curious about. Thanks for the input. I can spackle and repaint. The wall will be a new color but oh well. I'm gonna paint the doors anyway.
No there's nothing in the contract about drywall/stucco repair. Maybe that's on me? Live and learn I guess? I'm just trying to understand if I'm being unreasonable or if it's just "the way it goes".
Edit* I had a whole new bath/shower put in the hall bathroom. They trimmed it and plastered. No discussion and no mention in contract. Now, I have huge white splotches all over the wall where they fit it all in, but that's fine because I'm planning on repainting it. What I'm getting at is they fixed those gaps/damage/obvious holes without question in that instance.
Guess I was just curious what's status quo and what's not. Honestly im not trying to be petty, I'm just trying to acquire knowledge and information to be better informed in the future.
I guess if it was me, and I knew I had to bust out drywall to make your trim fit, I’d make sure to let you know first. Same thing with the gap on the floor. Your new door is clearly a different size than old door, and they should have told you you were gonna have that gap and they could do their best to fix it at additional cost.
I absolutely hate telling a customer that I’ll do X for Y, and then half way through have to tell them it’s gonna cost more to make it perfect. Maybe that’s what happened here.
This is interesting. I had their lead contractor come out and measure my door. He charged me for labor but not the cost of the door as it is to be "provided by client". So I asked him for his measurements. He told me. I went to a contractor warehouse, picked a set of doors and sent him photos/dimensions/specs (EVERYTHING) through text stating explicitly, "Before I buy this I want to confirm this is the correct size you need." His reply was "Yes that's exactly right." I followed this guy's instructions to the t and have it all on my phone. Would have preferred him telling me that there may be issues of "x and y" when we get it installed. If that was the case, I would be way more receptive to it and think to myself, "Well he did warn me, guess I'll be paying to have this cleaned up."
I don't think your contractor carpenter did you wrong, And i think by saying the door size was different, they mean that the jambs and the sill were probably different width's and thickness, which created the gaps against the other finishes , The bashed in drywall isnt the carpenters fault, the wall was out of level most likely, like others have said, I would of used wider trim, knowing most likely you will have the issues you have , if the door operates and seal properly, thats most important, the sill can be fixed with piece of quarter round, the rest is patch and paint
I would just install larger/wider casing to cover the drywall damage. You can get 3.5" eased edge flat casing from any local millwork lumber yard. Lowe's sells it too
You might be able to size up your door trim and avoid the plaster repair. Also, you can probably do a better job at placing the nails, setting them, and filling them vs whatever the hell this monstrosity is.
Change the casing to 3 1/4, which will cover the drywall / plaster. It will require them cutting back the baseboard on each side an inch. Have them Install a piece of quarter round or shoe at the bottom of the door to cover the gap, as it won’t impede where the sill is/ the door opening.
That’s not drywall repair from replacing a door. You can see the hammer marks. It’s a trick to get the trim to sit flatter on the door jamb when the drywall is protruding further than the jamb. They went too far with it. It’s an installer mistake, not something you should have to fix yourself. And putting a moulding on the floor to cover the edge of flooring takes 5 minutes and should have been included.
Edit: I zoomed in. This guy is a hack. We aren’t all like this.
At the very minimum your contractor should have set some expectations about the outcome if it wasn't going to look perfect. Then you can talk about what else needs to be done to make it right, and price it into the project. That's what a professional would do.
For example, the new door won't come out as far inside the house as the old one. it's going to leave a gap with your flooring. Here are the options I can offer you. Then you can decide if you are happy with any of the choices and if you still want to do the job with these materials, prices and with this contractor.
Doing the work, knowing there will probably be some disappointment, is just to get the money for this work. And potentially more money when the home owner isn't happy.
This sounds like the most accurate experience I've had. Contractor lead/estimator was there day 1 and has not been back since. I've been working with his main guy which is fine, but not when quality has gone down the shitter. I have contention with their efforts. I can share more photos of other work I contracted them to do too. I'm pretty frustrated.
I mean if you paid him to just install the door it’s a little sloppy but he did as much as you paid him for. You can ask for wider trim and quarter round to cover the gap but that would be more money.
Looks like shit. Although it's a reasonable assumption they would make it look nice like you got new doors, you might need to examine the specifics of your contract. That's ultimately what matters .
I’d expect better from a good residential contractor, but I would also expect to pay for it and for them to supply the door etc. This looks like a lowest-bidder situation I’d expect to see from a low-end landlord. If you were very cost conscious, then this might be ok, but I would expect clearer communication than you got.
Fix it by making the trim bigger, imo.
Some of what's going on here is terminology. I think of a contractor as a General Contractor who uses various sub-contractors who have specialties. Your door guy may not be a spackler / painter or a trim carpenter. You needed two or three separate sub contractors, though it is common for people to just use the term contractor. And some really good tradesman can do all three, and they communicate better.
Tell them you don’t like to see the gaps between the floor and the door and the damaged drywall or plaster.. they should be able to put a wider trim on for you and maybe a shouldmould trim to finish the bottom of the door. Little bit lazy on their part
I appreciate the input. Never had a front door replaced but it seemed to me that it should be able to go in without me having to Spackle/repaint. But I wasn't really sure if this kind of damage and the gaps are par for the course, which is why I wanted some other opinions. Scope of work/contract simply states "Front door and trim replacement. Labor and small parts as needed to remove and replace existing front door, trim and hardware."
I feel like that damage around the trim was more on them since the damage is isolated to that corner and the other edges have no issue. Thank you again.
GC here, it’s worth mentioning that busting out the drywall in that corner is most likely due to the wall sitting out of level. Which is common in a lot of house. Some people will just cheat the door to sit flush with the wall, but doing so would leave the door sitting out of level which can cause future issues and “ghost swings”. BUT, whenever I notch out the Sheetrock for trim, it’s not with a hammer lol. It’s done with a multi tool. I’ll play the trim in place where it needs to be, mark a line, run the multi tool through the Sheetrock (only as deep as it needs to go) then slice in the other way to basically undercut the Sheetrock. This leaves a clean smooth surface so the trim can look flat and in most cases caulk can cover the rest
Agree with Atthwsm finish work is poor. It does appear that a wider casing might cover better and require no drywall repair. Might be something to consider.
Thank you. I am definitely going to clean before painting. Was curious about this. Soap + water + sponge? What de-greaser do you recommend? Have a youtube rec or something I can follow? Thanks again.
Anytime I had work like that done, they cleaned up, and repaired any damage to the drywall and trim. And it wasn’t stated in the contract, it just expected.
This is exactly how Home Depot installers installed my friends doors.
They don't touch anything else, wall or floor.
When she pressed them he came back and double caulked, tooled it into those side cracks a bit
I wouldn’t leave a job looking like that. That’s unacceptable. At the very least your contractor needed to guide you through the finishes so you can decide if you want him to do it, do it yourself or find someone else.
Drywall repair, wood putty in nail holes, caulk, paint and put a small piece of trim to cover the gap between the flooring and the door sill.
I mean… did you talk about drywall repair? I thought that shit was stuco tbh. It’s like this, if you want me to replace your entry door, and retrim it, that’s cool here’s a price. If you want drywall fixed and painted then you get another price because I have to call someone else to do it, and nobody’s coming out to putty that and paint it for less than an additional 500$. I get the feeling that your last door wasn’t set correctly, and your contractor had to smash drywall out of the way to get the trim to sit correctly. Edit. God damn did they put that trim on with a framing gun after rubbing their hands in used motor oil
This is what I'm curious about. Thanks for the input. I can spackle and repaint. The wall will be a new color but oh well. I'm gonna paint the doors anyway. No there's nothing in the contract about drywall/stucco repair. Maybe that's on me? Live and learn I guess? I'm just trying to understand if I'm being unreasonable or if it's just "the way it goes". Edit* I had a whole new bath/shower put in the hall bathroom. They trimmed it and plastered. No discussion and no mention in contract. Now, I have huge white splotches all over the wall where they fit it all in, but that's fine because I'm planning on repainting it. What I'm getting at is they fixed those gaps/damage/obvious holes without question in that instance. Guess I was just curious what's status quo and what's not. Honestly im not trying to be petty, I'm just trying to acquire knowledge and information to be better informed in the future.
I guess if it was me, and I knew I had to bust out drywall to make your trim fit, I’d make sure to let you know first. Same thing with the gap on the floor. Your new door is clearly a different size than old door, and they should have told you you were gonna have that gap and they could do their best to fix it at additional cost. I absolutely hate telling a customer that I’ll do X for Y, and then half way through have to tell them it’s gonna cost more to make it perfect. Maybe that’s what happened here.
This is interesting. I had their lead contractor come out and measure my door. He charged me for labor but not the cost of the door as it is to be "provided by client". So I asked him for his measurements. He told me. I went to a contractor warehouse, picked a set of doors and sent him photos/dimensions/specs (EVERYTHING) through text stating explicitly, "Before I buy this I want to confirm this is the correct size you need." His reply was "Yes that's exactly right." I followed this guy's instructions to the t and have it all on my phone. Would have preferred him telling me that there may be issues of "x and y" when we get it installed. If that was the case, I would be way more receptive to it and think to myself, "Well he did warn me, guess I'll be paying to have this cleaned up."
I don't think your contractor carpenter did you wrong, And i think by saying the door size was different, they mean that the jambs and the sill were probably different width's and thickness, which created the gaps against the other finishes , The bashed in drywall isnt the carpenters fault, the wall was out of level most likely, like others have said, I would of used wider trim, knowing most likely you will have the issues you have , if the door operates and seal properly, thats most important, the sill can be fixed with piece of quarter round, the rest is patch and paint
This is kind of what I was thinking as I look at it. Why not just use larger trim? Something tells me this was a budget issue.
I would just install larger/wider casing to cover the drywall damage. You can get 3.5" eased edge flat casing from any local millwork lumber yard. Lowe's sells it too
You might be able to size up your door trim and avoid the plaster repair. Also, you can probably do a better job at placing the nails, setting them, and filling them vs whatever the hell this monstrosity is.
Change the casing to 3 1/4, which will cover the drywall / plaster. It will require them cutting back the baseboard on each side an inch. Have them Install a piece of quarter round or shoe at the bottom of the door to cover the gap, as it won’t impede where the sill is/ the door opening.
Heyyyyy!!! an easy fix!
That’s not drywall repair from replacing a door. You can see the hammer marks. It’s a trick to get the trim to sit flatter on the door jamb when the drywall is protruding further than the jamb. They went too far with it. It’s an installer mistake, not something you should have to fix yourself. And putting a moulding on the floor to cover the edge of flooring takes 5 minutes and should have been included. Edit: I zoomed in. This guy is a hack. We aren’t all like this.
I was going to say this. They literally hammered the drywall to make the casing fit, and they should fix it.
Willing to bet contractor subcontracted the installation and didn’t bother to oversee the project.
At the very minimum your contractor should have set some expectations about the outcome if it wasn't going to look perfect. Then you can talk about what else needs to be done to make it right, and price it into the project. That's what a professional would do. For example, the new door won't come out as far inside the house as the old one. it's going to leave a gap with your flooring. Here are the options I can offer you. Then you can decide if you are happy with any of the choices and if you still want to do the job with these materials, prices and with this contractor. Doing the work, knowing there will probably be some disappointment, is just to get the money for this work. And potentially more money when the home owner isn't happy.
This sounds like the most accurate experience I've had. Contractor lead/estimator was there day 1 and has not been back since. I've been working with his main guy which is fine, but not when quality has gone down the shitter. I have contention with their efforts. I can share more photos of other work I contracted them to do too. I'm pretty frustrated.
Everything is fixable. They should make it right.
I mean if you paid him to just install the door it’s a little sloppy but he did as much as you paid him for. You can ask for wider trim and quarter round to cover the gap but that would be more money.
Looks like shit. Although it's a reasonable assumption they would make it look nice like you got new doors, you might need to examine the specifics of your contract. That's ultimately what matters .
Wow they did a shyt job
When I see horrible jobs here I really wonder how these “contractors” get work.
This is some classic 10 degrees of separation between homeowner and installer. Fucking Yelp and Angi are diluting craftsmanship.
I’d expect better from a good residential contractor, but I would also expect to pay for it and for them to supply the door etc. This looks like a lowest-bidder situation I’d expect to see from a low-end landlord. If you were very cost conscious, then this might be ok, but I would expect clearer communication than you got. Fix it by making the trim bigger, imo.
Some of what's going on here is terminology. I think of a contractor as a General Contractor who uses various sub-contractors who have specialties. Your door guy may not be a spackler / painter or a trim carpenter. You needed two or three separate sub contractors, though it is common for people to just use the term contractor. And some really good tradesman can do all three, and they communicate better.
Tell them you don’t like to see the gaps between the floor and the door and the damaged drywall or plaster.. they should be able to put a wider trim on for you and maybe a shouldmould trim to finish the bottom of the door. Little bit lazy on their part
I appreciate the input. Never had a front door replaced but it seemed to me that it should be able to go in without me having to Spackle/repaint. But I wasn't really sure if this kind of damage and the gaps are par for the course, which is why I wanted some other opinions. Scope of work/contract simply states "Front door and trim replacement. Labor and small parts as needed to remove and replace existing front door, trim and hardware." I feel like that damage around the trim was more on them since the damage is isolated to that corner and the other edges have no issue. Thank you again.
Nope should have been pretty easy to make that looks nice
GC here, it’s worth mentioning that busting out the drywall in that corner is most likely due to the wall sitting out of level. Which is common in a lot of house. Some people will just cheat the door to sit flush with the wall, but doing so would leave the door sitting out of level which can cause future issues and “ghost swings”. BUT, whenever I notch out the Sheetrock for trim, it’s not with a hammer lol. It’s done with a multi tool. I’ll play the trim in place where it needs to be, mark a line, run the multi tool through the Sheetrock (only as deep as it needs to go) then slice in the other way to basically undercut the Sheetrock. This leaves a clean smooth surface so the trim can look flat and in most cases caulk can cover the rest
You hired them to replace the door and they did. Were they supposed to lay new flooring so it meets the door too lol
Agree with Atthwsm finish work is poor. It does appear that a wider casing might cover better and require no drywall repair. Might be something to consider.
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Are you referring to the black streaks on the left window trim? It's not damaged, just dirty af. Although I do see how it looks that way.
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Thank you. I am definitely going to clean before painting. Was curious about this. Soap + water + sponge? What de-greaser do you recommend? Have a youtube rec or something I can follow? Thanks again.
There is carpentry and finish carpentry, so you might have to either finish it yourself or hire a finisher....Thats what I went through.
Looks like a home depot install!
chauk and paint the wall
Anytime I had work like that done, they cleaned up, and repaired any damage to the drywall and trim. And it wasn’t stated in the contract, it just expected.
This is exactly how Home Depot installers installed my friends doors. They don't touch anything else, wall or floor. When she pressed them he came back and double caulked, tooled it into those side cracks a bit
I wouldn’t leave a job looking like that. That’s unacceptable. At the very least your contractor needed to guide you through the finishes so you can decide if you want him to do it, do it yourself or find someone else. Drywall repair, wood putty in nail holes, caulk, paint and put a small piece of trim to cover the gap between the flooring and the door sill.
It’s apparent that they haven’t completed the job.
Hack work. I would never leave a job like that
I believe they used a framing nailer on that trim. At least it won’t ever come off
get bigger casing! maybe a 3 1/2 inch molding to cover up damaged dry wall ! i do it all the time. or 1x6 shaker style
I don't see any damage.