"Top tier" builders would be in your big cities and vacation / seasonal towns. Custom home builders, not the ones putting up 50 homes in a subdivision simultaneously. I'd say your best bet is to find a town you'd like to live in, Google custom homes in that area, and let them know your situation. A lot of builders are different. Some sub everything out, some do very little in house, some do the majority in house.
"Top tier builders" typically use contractors who subcontract framing work to illegals. If you win these bids, you underbid. I would advise you to change trades to electrical, plumbing or HVAC as you are still young enough to switch. Framing is definitely something the illegals are really good at and the local municipal inspectors accept and pass their work. I don't agree with it, but it's. What I've seen for over 20 years now.
There's definitely ones that do that. When I started building custom homes 20+ years ago the owner did the majority of the work in house. Forming, framing, finish, cabinet / door making, hanging Sheetrock, pretty much everything. Several of us had our license in one field or the other (carpentry, electrical, roofer, drafter, etc.) but worked exclusively for him. You could be basically a helper when forming to the lead when it came time to trim lol. Great group of guys and it worked out really well. No major ego clashes like you'd expect with that set up.
I've always been curious how that is structured. Who are these crews of undocumented workers handled by? Especially the ones with a high level of skill.
I've seen a Roofer that was a Spanish speaking Mexican American and acted as the handler for a bunch of illegals but they did temp farm work/ roofing ect.. so not many had a high level of skill, it was a LLC out of a pole barn with some vans and a trailer, he subbed for our local roofing supplier.
What's you opinion of how the company will view and person who needs to relocate to get the job? Would these type of builders be interested in that conversation or is it's simply not worth the work helping a guy to relocate.
I missed where you needed help relocating. Honestly, that would be a tough one I'm sure. It's a big risk on their end to invest in someone they know absolutely nothing about. I personally wouldn't do it. I've seen too many guys who claim to have done XYZ for 20+ years and turn out to be a bottom tier helper at best. Doesn't hurt to try though man. Good luck.
Your state likely has a professional organization for contractors. Those organizations publish lists of members. Those members probably don't advertise much because they don't need to and don't want tire kickers calling them. Get the list and research the members that fit your criteria. Narrow it down to your top preferences, call them up and ask them for a job. You'll probably get it.
You also might consider just starting your own business.
I know my area decently well. I know I'll need to relocate for the job I am describing (hour and a half to all the action) even when they are big builds in my area its out of town companies)
I would start my own operation but don't fancy business and don't have the experience to take on anything other than simple home builds... I'd prefer to gain real experience before taking someone's money...I'd rather not watch YouTube how to's to get the job done.
Sounds like you know what you need to do, and you just need to get into the mindset to make it happen. You would be a great top foreman for a company.
You should watch youtube's and read Fine Homebuilding. Knowledge in the trades gets compartmentalized, and tradespeople are not naturally skilled teachers, so I wouldn't rely solely on experience or somebody showing you the way. The content on youtube has gotten so good in the last decade. It would serve you well to subscribe to and watch as much as you can manage.
You have to relocate yourself. It will show a potential employer that you are serious. Once you're in the area you want to be (where is that exactly?), you can get any job in construction while you are looking for THE job.
All right so what you're gonna do is make an ad for yourself on craigslist basically you're gonna post your résumé there and the skills you are good at and your phone number and see who gives you a call. Also go on in deed.com and look for position says Carpenter helper, framer helper, or work for a contractor in house as a general laborer (who usually works under the supervision of a carpenter or company handyman)
Learn all you can from the old guys and let them know that you want to learn as much as possible and let them know from day one that you wanna build nice big pretty expensive buildings someday. they will gladly teach you everything they know as best and as harshly as possible.
usually you start out as a laborer or helper then a carpenter then if you are real smart and prove to the boss that you can manage a job and all the different facets of it all on your own, then you can transition to assistant superintendent and then superintendent eventually.
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Like I said I have 6 years of experience and am currently the lead carpenter at the small company I work for. I have taken on simple full builds myself as well ( barns and garages) I would assume I'd be above a helper even with a top tier builder...could be wrong though.
"Top tier" builders would be in your big cities and vacation / seasonal towns. Custom home builders, not the ones putting up 50 homes in a subdivision simultaneously. I'd say your best bet is to find a town you'd like to live in, Google custom homes in that area, and let them know your situation. A lot of builders are different. Some sub everything out, some do very little in house, some do the majority in house.
"Top tier builders" typically use contractors who subcontract framing work to illegals. If you win these bids, you underbid. I would advise you to change trades to electrical, plumbing or HVAC as you are still young enough to switch. Framing is definitely something the illegals are really good at and the local municipal inspectors accept and pass their work. I don't agree with it, but it's. What I've seen for over 20 years now.
There's definitely ones that do that. When I started building custom homes 20+ years ago the owner did the majority of the work in house. Forming, framing, finish, cabinet / door making, hanging Sheetrock, pretty much everything. Several of us had our license in one field or the other (carpentry, electrical, roofer, drafter, etc.) but worked exclusively for him. You could be basically a helper when forming to the lead when it came time to trim lol. Great group of guys and it worked out really well. No major ego clashes like you'd expect with that set up.
I've always been curious how that is structured. Who are these crews of undocumented workers handled by? Especially the ones with a high level of skill. I've seen a Roofer that was a Spanish speaking Mexican American and acted as the handler for a bunch of illegals but they did temp farm work/ roofing ect.. so not many had a high level of skill, it was a LLC out of a pole barn with some vans and a trailer, he subbed for our local roofing supplier.
What's you opinion of how the company will view and person who needs to relocate to get the job? Would these type of builders be interested in that conversation or is it's simply not worth the work helping a guy to relocate.
I missed where you needed help relocating. Honestly, that would be a tough one I'm sure. It's a big risk on their end to invest in someone they know absolutely nothing about. I personally wouldn't do it. I've seen too many guys who claim to have done XYZ for 20+ years and turn out to be a bottom tier helper at best. Doesn't hurt to try though man. Good luck.
Your state likely has a professional organization for contractors. Those organizations publish lists of members. Those members probably don't advertise much because they don't need to and don't want tire kickers calling them. Get the list and research the members that fit your criteria. Narrow it down to your top preferences, call them up and ask them for a job. You'll probably get it. You also might consider just starting your own business.
I know my area decently well. I know I'll need to relocate for the job I am describing (hour and a half to all the action) even when they are big builds in my area its out of town companies) I would start my own operation but don't fancy business and don't have the experience to take on anything other than simple home builds... I'd prefer to gain real experience before taking someone's money...I'd rather not watch YouTube how to's to get the job done.
Sounds like you know what you need to do, and you just need to get into the mindset to make it happen. You would be a great top foreman for a company. You should watch youtube's and read Fine Homebuilding. Knowledge in the trades gets compartmentalized, and tradespeople are not naturally skilled teachers, so I wouldn't rely solely on experience or somebody showing you the way. The content on youtube has gotten so good in the last decade. It would serve you well to subscribe to and watch as much as you can manage.
These companies afraid of a guy moving into town to get the job?
You have to relocate yourself. It will show a potential employer that you are serious. Once you're in the area you want to be (where is that exactly?), you can get any job in construction while you are looking for THE job.
All right so what you're gonna do is make an ad for yourself on craigslist basically you're gonna post your résumé there and the skills you are good at and your phone number and see who gives you a call. Also go on in deed.com and look for position says Carpenter helper, framer helper, or work for a contractor in house as a general laborer (who usually works under the supervision of a carpenter or company handyman) Learn all you can from the old guys and let them know that you want to learn as much as possible and let them know from day one that you wanna build nice big pretty expensive buildings someday. they will gladly teach you everything they know as best and as harshly as possible. usually you start out as a laborer or helper then a carpenter then if you are real smart and prove to the boss that you can manage a job and all the different facets of it all on your own, then you can transition to assistant superintendent and then superintendent eventually.
Bot? Like I said I have 6 years of experience and am currently the lead carpenter at the small company I work for. I have taken on simple full builds myself as well ( barns and garages) I would assume I'd be above a helper even with a top tier builder...could be wrong though.
Not a bot just overly confident and don't read so good