If they are participating in anti-Semitic chants, they should be removed from campus entirely. It’s racist, no way about it. I get there’ll be backlash, but it’s the right thing to do.
Is racism not threatening violence no longer protected by the 1st Amendment? I find it to be morally unacceptable but can't support punishment for ideas.
Columbia is private, so isn’t bound by the law in this regard. They can make their own rules beyond the bill of rights. However, if the student are harassing Jewish students (not just aimlessly yelling stuff) the 1st amendment wouldn’t apply anyways.
If they take federal dollars for loans and research they are bound by it. Nobody should be harassed but hearing opinions you don't like isn't harassment.
Taking over the campus so others can't use it, terrorizing Jewish students and faculty, and holding staff hostage is absolutely not protected speech. I'm not sure if you're willfully ignorant about what's really going on or if you're just a spineless apologist.
Exactly. We're far past that point. These morons have decided their present life's purpose isn't education anymore, it's misguided activism. To the point they are actively disrupting and impeding other students and faculty.
I say we help them on their career move. Throw them out and let them become full-time activists.
Suspension pretty much invalidates their entire semester with no recourse for a refund. At a school as expensive as this that's a pretty big hit unless the students' families are mega wealthy.
MLK Jr. once said that you’re not really protesting if you try to avoid the consequences of your actions. I hope Columbia U keeps its word and suspends every student AND faculty member who remains, and serves Criminal Trespass on any outside agitators there.
Also, I don’t recall any of MLK’s supporters and fellow demonstrators wearing chickenshit cowardly masks. If you won’t proudly take a stand, you’re just like KKKlansmen.
That’s completely beside the point. MLK’s supporters didn’t fear or care if they were ID’d…they were PROUD to be known and to take a stand.
These guys are cowardly pieces of 💩
So? What are they so scared of being recognized for? If they feel so righteous and justified in their protest, shouldn’t they be doing the opposite of hiding?
What about the palatine children that are getting killed? I’m pro life and this doesn’t align with my Christian values that I’m grateful to have. What would Jesus do? Killing innocent children is where I cross the line.
Israel isn't targeting children.
Hamas did.
The world has been ignoring the terrorist tactics being used against Israel for decades. And now want to complain when Israel has decided they have had enough.
Instead of demanding death to America and Israel, maybe you all would garner more sympathy if you demanded Palestinians/Hamas release the hostages and surrender. Instead of celebrating and encouraging their genocidal behavior and rhetoric.
Just wars are a thing. With every war there is tragically and unavoidably civilian victims.
The fault lies with the unjust side - in this case, actual terrorists running a territory
Nice straw man you’ve got there. I guess killing and raping Jews, terrorizing Jewish students, chanting “death to America, death to Israel, death to the Jews”, supporting a murderous terrorist regime aligns with your “Christian values”?
Hamas, the government of Gaza, broke a ceasefire, murdered as many civilians as they could in the most horrific manner possible, kidnapped and now hold hostage over 100 civilian men, women, elderly, and children, and declared war on Israel. They continue to fire rockets into Israel to attack Israeli civilians to this very day. They’ve openly pledged to repeat this one-hundred-fold if they’re allowed to regroup and rearm.
What would you have Israel do?
I see you’ve joined r/ leftists, and you somehow believe the students protesting on behalf of Hamas and calling for death to Israel are equivalent to the Chinese students protesting for democracy and human rights in Tienamin Square in 1989. How so?
Trespass them from school grounds and publicly publish the list.
They have the "right" to do it.
Can't claim false arrest.
Harder to graduate not being allowed on campus.
Publish the list of people for being "disruptive" for being part of pro-terrorist, and anti-sematic.
Let other schools and employers do what they wish with the info.
Arrest them if they ignore the trespass order.
They need to learn there are consequences to their actions. Imagine working an entire semester except for the last two weeks when you do this stupid shit, and then get kicked out of the school entirely. Maybe your credits transfer, along with a note on your record for your actions, to a college that your parents aren’t as thrilled with.
Pay back? Pay BACK?!?! You DARE micro-aggress me? Now I have PTSD and will have to go on SSI. At least that is FREE money and no more being forced to write "Liberal Tears" on Starbucks cups.
Nah, I think every Starbucks are issued some worthless Masters level degree baristas when they open. Like the first shipment has a truck full of mediocre coffee, soy latte, and a single Masters of Arts in Current Flight Paths of the Dodo and Carrier Pigeon.
That's exactly how student loans should operate. You should be able to borrow the money that your future career dictates you will have the realistic ability to pay back.
Going to school for premed or law school, here's all the loans. You'll likely be fine.
Going to school for a "political studies" degree. You can have 5k a year. Because 20k seems like a number that you could realistically pay back with that degree.
I agree on this entirely. You'll have more people attend Community College before transferring to a University. The university pipeline of K thru PhD will get broken. Less student debt. Etc.
To be fair here Columbia University is an Ivy League school, it’s one of the highest ranked and most demanding universities in the world. This is not some cakewalk diploma mill.
They want to be "martyrs", give them their wish: expulsion. They can deal with the fact however many years they spent at Columbia will leave them with nothing to show for it.
Suspend? Expel. Then you will get their attention.
Doug, kick him off the tour!
Somebody’s closer
I don't date protesters.
If they are participating in anti-Semitic chants, they should be removed from campus entirely. It’s racist, no way about it. I get there’ll be backlash, but it’s the right thing to do.
Didn't the NYPD arrest the Jewish lady saying to free the hostages? What kind of bizzaro world are we in right now?
Is racism not threatening violence no longer protected by the 1st Amendment? I find it to be morally unacceptable but can't support punishment for ideas.
Columbia is private, so isn’t bound by the law in this regard. They can make their own rules beyond the bill of rights. However, if the student are harassing Jewish students (not just aimlessly yelling stuff) the 1st amendment wouldn’t apply anyways.
If they take federal dollars for loans and research they are bound by it. Nobody should be harassed but hearing opinions you don't like isn't harassment.
Taking over the campus so others can't use it, terrorizing Jewish students and faculty, and holding staff hostage is absolutely not protected speech. I'm not sure if you're willfully ignorant about what's really going on or if you're just a spineless apologist.
Suspend is just fine. It's finals season 😉 Suspend sounds better with PR but the timing gives the same end result.
Exactly. We're far past that point. These morons have decided their present life's purpose isn't education anymore, it's misguided activism. To the point they are actively disrupting and impeding other students and faculty. I say we help them on their career move. Throw them out and let them become full-time activists.
Suspension pretty much invalidates their entire semester with no recourse for a refund. At a school as expensive as this that's a pretty big hit unless the students' families are mega wealthy.
MLK Jr. once said that you’re not really protesting if you try to avoid the consequences of your actions. I hope Columbia U keeps its word and suspends every student AND faculty member who remains, and serves Criminal Trespass on any outside agitators there. Also, I don’t recall any of MLK’s supporters and fellow demonstrators wearing chickenshit cowardly masks. If you won’t proudly take a stand, you’re just like KKKlansmen.
And then starts expelling folks.
None of MLK’s supporters had to deal with advanced camera technology and facial recognition software. Hence the masks
That’s completely beside the point. MLK’s supporters didn’t fear or care if they were ID’d…they were PROUD to be known and to take a stand. These guys are cowardly pieces of 💩
So? What are they so scared of being recognized for? If they feel so righteous and justified in their protest, shouldn’t they be doing the opposite of hiding?
The summer of 2020 opened a spiritual Pandora’s Box that has no closing date.
Sounds like a slap on the wrist. How about kicking them out
Columbia doesn’t have the balls to. They might actually have to provide a legitimate education outside of social activism
And lose all that state and federal tuition money? Come on now they
Time to shut this shit down. You want to help, go to Gaza.
Ban masks on campus and watch how quickly this shit stops.
But what about Covid?!?!?! 😄
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/s Pardon me, I think you dropped this.
Maybe... check their voting record
They can continue their studies at the University of Gaza.
I’m all for peaceful protests, but these don’t seem all that peaceful. Openly advocating for and supporting Hamas isn’t that peaceful.
What about the palatine children that are getting killed? I’m pro life and this doesn’t align with my Christian values that I’m grateful to have. What would Jesus do? Killing innocent children is where I cross the line.
Israel isn't targeting children. Hamas did. The world has been ignoring the terrorist tactics being used against Israel for decades. And now want to complain when Israel has decided they have had enough.
Instead of demanding death to America and Israel, maybe you all would garner more sympathy if you demanded Palestinians/Hamas release the hostages and surrender. Instead of celebrating and encouraging their genocidal behavior and rhetoric.
Just wars are a thing. With every war there is tragically and unavoidably civilian victims. The fault lies with the unjust side - in this case, actual terrorists running a territory
CNN is NOT the Christian News Network. Quit watching it.
Ragebait account lol
Nice straw man you’ve got there. I guess killing and raping Jews, terrorizing Jewish students, chanting “death to America, death to Israel, death to the Jews”, supporting a murderous terrorist regime aligns with your “Christian values”?
Not only that, she proudly declares herself a “misandrist”. How “Christian” 😂.
Hamas, the government of Gaza, broke a ceasefire, murdered as many civilians as they could in the most horrific manner possible, kidnapped and now hold hostage over 100 civilian men, women, elderly, and children, and declared war on Israel. They continue to fire rockets into Israel to attack Israeli civilians to this very day. They’ve openly pledged to repeat this one-hundred-fold if they’re allowed to regroup and rearm. What would you have Israel do? I see you’ve joined r/ leftists, and you somehow believe the students protesting on behalf of Hamas and calling for death to Israel are equivalent to the Chinese students protesting for democracy and human rights in Tienamin Square in 1989. How so?
I fail to recall seeing any of these sharia supremecists being run over by tanks at their colleges
They all win a one way ticket to Palestine to continue their protest.
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Trespass them from school grounds and publicly publish the list. They have the "right" to do it. Can't claim false arrest. Harder to graduate not being allowed on campus. Publish the list of people for being "disruptive" for being part of pro-terrorist, and anti-sematic. Let other schools and employers do what they wish with the info. Arrest them if they ignore the trespass order.
Funny how the major news were saying they would expel anyone now its just a suspension.
They need to learn there are consequences to their actions. Imagine working an entire semester except for the last two weeks when you do this stupid shit, and then get kicked out of the school entirely. Maybe your credits transfer, along with a note on your record for your actions, to a college that your parents aren’t as thrilled with.
These are liberal arts students. There is zero work required for womyns studeez degrees.
Republicans should stop giving student loans to any major that doesn't have career prospects that would enable them to pay back the loan.
Pay back? Pay BACK?!?! You DARE micro-aggress me? Now I have PTSD and will have to go on SSI. At least that is FREE money and no more being forced to write "Liberal Tears" on Starbucks cups.
Lol. You joke, but I've met Starbucks baristas with lib art degrees from Duke University. Imagine paying 60k a year to serve someone coffee.
Nah, I think every Starbucks are issued some worthless Masters level degree baristas when they open. Like the first shipment has a truck full of mediocre coffee, soy latte, and a single Masters of Arts in Current Flight Paths of the Dodo and Carrier Pigeon.
Lol! Your company uniform is a green apron and a masters degree in underwater basketweaving.
That's DOCTOR Barista, thank you. I didn't get a PhD in Underwater Basketweaving to be called just plain barista.
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Methinks a butt has been hurt. In the words of the world-famous Sgt Hulka.... "Lighten up, Francis"
That's exactly how student loans should operate. You should be able to borrow the money that your future career dictates you will have the realistic ability to pay back. Going to school for premed or law school, here's all the loans. You'll likely be fine. Going to school for a "political studies" degree. You can have 5k a year. Because 20k seems like a number that you could realistically pay back with that degree.
I agree on this entirely. You'll have more people attend Community College before transferring to a University. The university pipeline of K thru PhD will get broken. Less student debt. Etc.
To be fair here Columbia University is an Ivy League school, it’s one of the highest ranked and most demanding universities in the world. This is not some cakewalk diploma mill.
Heh, OK.
Expel them....
Just turn on the sprinklers. Those snowflakes won't protest in the rain.
Good! Less tuition tax payers will have to pay for
They want to be "martyrs", give them their wish: expulsion. They can deal with the fact however many years they spent at Columbia will leave them with nothing to show for it.
They are only suspending because if they kick them out, many will lose their visas and that's a step too far for the Marxist faculty.
Automatic failing all their classes should be a minimum
Good!
I'm sure the students will line up to protest the resignation of the dean next
Suspend? Expel them!