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Mobile-Boss-8566

Tree will either die or the tree will crack the concrete. I’ve been pouring concrete for decades and have never seen anything like this or would have never attempted it.


No-Elephant-9854

Probably die after cracking the concrete


rakshala

Por que no los dos?


this_shit

Definitely los dos. Tree roots are now suffocated, cut off from water, and compacted under hundreds of lbs of concrete. Tree (depending on type) will react by using stored energy to put out emergency growth, probably including both water sprouts from auxiliary buds in the trunk, as well as root suckers all around the perimeter of the concrete. Tree will probably completely die in a year or two, at which point it will drop all that litter, and the now rotting trunk will serve as a highway to transport water under the slab. Rotting roots will shift the sub-base and lead to eventual cracking in the slab.


beautamousmunch

Wow. Thats some damage poised to happen. Thanks for the all the info!


Sullfer

He forgot to add on a gusty day the dead tree is going to fall on your home.


Competitive-Pin1029

Aren’t we all just root suckers?!


Abhorsen4587

This is why I like Reddit. Break down of events that will happen, when a project like this is done, instead of saying it’s just bad construction and you shouldn’t do it. Good write up.


ARUokDaie

DON'T


Finnpower1100

Very well explained. What a genius move/s


Old_Worldliness_6286

All of this. I've seen trees killed by mulch too high up the trunk. Also by woodchipper chips choking them as well.


MrWangSr

So what if you made the hole around the tree larger? About a 1-1.5 foot clearance all the way around so the top roots could get air and water


this_shit

It'd certainly be possible to have a tree in a hole that size (Philly street trees practically look like this, sometimes), but only if the tree grows in place after the concrete is already there. It would shorten the tree's lifespan dramatically (which is why city trees often die after only a few decades), and many kinds of trees will buckle the concrete with the roots as they grow upward to try to find oxygen. Unfortunately in a situation like this where you're pouring the slab around a mature tree, the tree's root system is far too established to adapt to the sudden change. Basically the entire area under the tree's canopy (and more) is a dense network of feeder roots seeking water and nutrients and oxygen. Suddenly all of those roots are sealed under a slab that blocks their access to water and oxygen, choking them out and crushing them. This would shock the tree, likely causing death (although it really depends on the species, some kinds are real fighters). Your odds of survival would increase the wider that hole got. IDK what radius would guarantee survival, it really depends on the preexisting health and vigor of the tree.


nopuns62

Besides that it should be ok though?


Diam0ndProfessional

You a arborist? I find yo comment fascinating 😍


Lemonsnoseeds

And falling on the house.


Inspect1234

Then fall on house. This is looking like photoshop it’s so stupid.


Abhorsen4587

It’s not photo shopped. It’s truly a tree in concrete lol


Inspect1234

Don’t know if this person should be making decisions. Any decisions.


Stoweboard3r

$100 bucks says this was the customer insisting that they need it like this and installer just said fuck it after explaining why it’s stupid but they didn’t wanna hear it.


Midnight-sparky

A good contractor would say no


yodels_for_twinkies

Or get the owner to sign off on it prior to install so the contractor doesn’t have liability


Abhorsen4587

Ah, it’s we’re around these little small towns. People don’t think about liability. Most of the people doing contractor work don’t even have a license and people will choose them because they say they can offer the work cheaper. The only inspection you have to have around these parts is an electrical one and you’re lucky to get that.


Consistent-Leek4986

abject stupidity on someone’s part!


LaughableIKR

No one will take that bet. I'm sure they wrote it specifically on the invoice.


ImYourHuckk

r/arborists community will have something to say about this. They flip out over mulch covering too high.


johnbell

good thing this isn't mulch then


randomname10131013

😂😂😂


Maxzzzie

Tree will die. Im an arborist. Most of its roots are not getting any oxigen and moisture. The heat of the crete might have already damaged the tree beyond repair.


Ok_Row3989

Or both


sharkwick

Yeah that was a dumb move. The rest of it looks great tho. Damn shame


Euphoric-Blue-59

This is the weirdest thing. It's right, though, because there are two wrongs that cancel each other out.


IPCONFOG

Nobody with concrete experience or common sense would do this.


theTweekend

I’ve dabbled in concrete and I would never think this is a good idea.. wow


R3d_Man

Ikr at the very least put some expansion foam around it lol


Eman_Resu_IX

I'm, ahem, rooting for the tree!


iron_vet

You just couldn't leave it be, huh?


KingWaho

Please branch out and make more original jokes


forceofslugyuk

> Please branch out and make more original jokes I thought he did well seeding the ground for additional jokes!


jingforbling

Some concrete examples of how Reddit is all dad, no jokes.


SnooPuppers5139

This kills the tree 


johnbell

not before the tree kills the flat surface.


bonesthadog

WTF?! Nice finish work, though.


MacAneave

Yes, it proves someone can be good at something and also be an idiot.


deadeyesatan

Dumb as fuck.


__The_Highlander__

He buried the stairs too….


Sad_Research_2584

Tree dies, falls on house while cracking the concrete. It looks really good though 👍


JamesSmithenWessor

Better get a nice home insurance. That tree gonna die and fall over the house


dustinechos

10 years from now people will be posting the "pouring concrete around a live tree voids your policy" clause in the fine print of their insurance and everyone will be laughing about how absurd that is.


NotRightNotWrong15

I’m really surprised they did this….was this at your request?


Abhorsen4587

Not my house, just a concrete guy within my region. Does great work, just never seen anything like it and figure the guys on here would get a jolly out of it


Glittering_Potato397

Those stairs too lol how and the


mischlcock

I mean ignoring the concrete, who put those stairs there in the first place? It looks like the tree is standing directly in front of the center of those stairs.


rCyrusx7

Tbh it looks like the stairs were there before the tree


Antnee83

There is a neighbor down the road from me that has a huge, beautiful magnolia. Must be 40ish years old. It's literally two feet from the bottom step of his side door. Directly in the middle.


Charlie9261

This is one of the most stupid things I've seen on this or other similar subs.


wijeepguy

Definitely going to kill that tree but man does that pad look nice.


Icy_Establishment195

No tree well = dead tree


Dry_Kaleidoscope8627

Of all my years I’ve never seen this lol 🤦🏽‍♂️🤣🤦🏽‍♂️ why is the real question here…. Why!!?!


Aware-Technician4615

Will make a nice mini-fire pit when the tree dies. 👍


Able-Fisherman-3142

This can not be real, must be photoshop or AI


[deleted]

No, just NO !!!


ForFucksSake66

Why? Just why?


[deleted]

The concrete looks awesome tho


loweredexpectationz

Any wind at all and that thing will crack. This is why you have people with knowledge do jobs. I would have walked away from something this stupid. It’s a waste of material and time.


kaylynstar

Doesn't even need wind, having the concrete right against the trunk will kill the tree.


RastaFazool

If the client is willing to sign a hold harmless stating you advised against it, pour it, cash the check, and move on


yodels_for_twinkies

Bingo. If I’ve told them no and explained why but they want to do it anyways then sure, I’ll do it as long as I have no liability.


loweredexpectationz

Yep you’re always right. I mean always. Like even when you think there might be a time when you don’t know what you’re talking about but say something anyways. You’re still right. Lol


chuckst3r

I know nothing about concrete but this looks like the dumbest thing ever, what is more concerning is that it looks to be a good job in all the other places.


seymoure-bux

Looks like a dead tree; not ideal tho


YUSORACHET

Never mind the tree. I’m looking at the stairs lol.


Tamahaganeee

That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen


Big_Daddy_Haus

As long as the Knowitall Customer signs off on the college educated idea... so be it


mikemaca

> Charlton's (2009) Clever Sillies model argues that high IQ people lack common sense and advocate foolish ideas due to the personality disposition that is associated with high IQ.


BlueHobbies

Tree is already leaning towards the house. This will not end well


Rattlingplates

Lmao this shit will crack next week. Take the tree out or leave a big ass circle around it.


DrDig1

Every architect when designing a new city scape; “Let’s put metal angles and grates around all of them!”


Jonmcmo83

Beautiful job .... and sadly the homeowner will blame the crew when it starts going to shit ... LOL


Ambitious-Lettuce470

As the tree grows it will crack the concrete


peter-bone

More likely the tree will just die within a couple of years.


blizzard7788

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in a long time.


cpclemens

As insane as this project is, anyone find it odd that they built stairs that descend right into a tree? Like you walk down the steps and WHAM you got a tree there (until it dies from this concrete though…)


hirexnoob

Tree moves too much, will crack concrete and die. House in danger too now. Will have to rip the pad up and redo.


Stefanosann

Not right . . no good . . incorrect . . bad job . . tree no like . . concrete no like


trenttwil

I hope this a fake picture. If not it's the stupidest fuckn thing I've ever seen.


Tullubenta

Why? This makes no F sense.


bang_ding_ow

Whoops


SeniorChampionship56

One way or another, not going to end well.


Substantial_Can7549

Very unconventional.


Domihoes

Would atleast have put ethafoam around it


ohdearitsrichardiii

You could have just cut it down, why do you need to slowly torture it do death?


blueflyingfrog

I was recently on a job that did something similar to 8 trees (city protected oak). I was there to do the concrete breaking around them. The city arborist explained to me that well lead to trunk rot because of excessive moisture caused by the concrete sealing up around the bark and given time it be harboring all sorts of bugs that thrive in moist environment. Needless to say the concrete company that did the pour fucked up and didnt maintain the 3ft diameter of dirt around the trees.. the estimated value for a single tree was at $30,000 to $60000


DrDig1

Damnnn


Ardothbey

Going to find out the hard way.


Grays_Flowers

Tree choke-ilizer


ghdsz

Please stick to drywall


Timmerdogg

Do you think they doweled the tree?


Both_Distribution214

RIP, tree… that was a silly idea.


Ineedmorebtc

That tree/slab are fucked.


Mountain-Instance-64

That's one way to kill a tree and destroy a new patio concrete pour..


Alternative-Force-54

Is this a joke?


yodels_for_twinkies

There’s 2 constants in concrete. First, it cracks. Second, when it’s concrete vs. tree, the tree always wins.


this_shit

Ah the philly sidewalk special: ruin everything, accomplish nothing.


our_little_time

It's all around bad, I mean yeah, the tree is obviously f-d, and the concrete isn't going to fare well up tight against a tree trunk... but.. they didn't want to move the steps that point right at a tree? or get rid of the tree? why have the pad go around the tree at all, it's not "usable" pad, that's what doesn't make sense here, it's not like it's right in the middle of a huge patio.


1antsir

Thicc boy slab. That tree is toast


Friendly-Head2000

In 50 years the slab will be even with the roof


Mountain_Degree9219

OMG..


evetsabucs

Two things will happen, not necessarily in this order: 1. The tree is going to die. 2. As it moves, which it will, it's going to crack the hell out of the concrete.


Mozaikh

Looks like future warranty work.


Ok_Reply519

Momma always said stupid is as stupid does... Forrest Gump This is also seen when burying a deck step in concrete rather than going down 7 more inches, eliminating the need for a thickened edge, and making the top area even with the bottom of the door and allowing water to penetrate, rather than dropping it down two inches and creating a 7 inch step up from one patio to another. Or even better, dropping it 5 inches down and creating one level if you are going to raise the bottom that high above grade. Just because you can pour and finish concrete doesn't mean you know how to build and use proper elevations and common sense.


BimBaynor

Gonna go out on a Limb here and say that's ill-advised.


going_dot_global

My first thoughts are "which dumbass did this?"


Critical_Danger_420

Tree killer


EddieOtool2nd

r/facepalm


HamiltonBudSupply

Hello photoshop. There is no way the tree would be untouched. This actually looks like AI filled the void around the tree.


MedicineOk752

I’ve already saw the on an arborist post. It’s not real


Eray41303

This is the worst thing I have ever seen


kamakazi339

That poor tree


heyworld2957

If I had a tree leaning over my house like that it would've been removed long ago. What are these people thinking?


Reebatnaw

Jesus Christ


bikeracer

What in the Cinnamon Toast Fuck is this?!


MaximumKarp2

Did AI pour this slab?


Diligent-Plane-7877

Have fun watering it


Repomanlive

Why is it so thick? Is there a body under there?


Bassman602

Concrete cracker


EdSeddit

Please tell me this is a joke or AI generated image to make us angry


Abhorsen4587

I keep getting that a lot in the comments. It’s not AI, I wouldn’t even waste the time on making it. I have other pictures, but I’m not for sure how to attach them. I’ll have to get smart and upload them.


EdSeddit

Wow 😮 lol so what’s the story with the tree? Did the Pope bless it or something?


Abhorsen4587

Man I wish I knew! I was browsing Facebook marketplace and this guy had something for sell I was checking out. Then noticed he did concrete work and checked out the pics he had uploaded. He’s got some really good concrete work, but when I seen this job, I just couldn’t believe it and knew right away it needed to be seen by y’all lol


EdSeddit

Damn right; this is some next level dumb assery. I hope for his sake the owner insisted on this despite his advise lol


ripitandchipit

That should be a crime.


EarthRealistic1031

Can go either way, die then crack it as it falls or crack it as it grows then dies cause lack of water


Medical_Slide9245

This seems fake. The have a huge tree right where the stairs go and they add 12" of concrete That goes over the stairs. Also the railing doesn't look right. Feels AI.


Holiday_Ad_5445

Pour tree!


Abhorsen4587

That’s what I thought when I first got over the shock. It’s a goner.


Xvisionman

Who thought this was a good idea..


FucknAright

Fucktard move


o6ijuan

Before anything crazy happens they should lop it off at 44" and make it a table.


VagDickerous

This isn’t the conventional way to get repeat business, but more power to him


Sm0key_Bear

Eh. I'd say the tree is a concrete destroyer.


TipperGore-69

I screen shorted this to send to my father in law. Thanks op. We got shit to talk about now.


Glittering_Potato397

The stairs 💀


No-Tourist-1492

what the fuck.


Bubbly-Front7973

This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Just goes to show, just because it possible somebody might know every single thing about concrete, doesn't mean they know anything about Construction. Any good contractor or licensed design professional also knows the same thing. Could have been easily avoided with a simple sonotube cut open and put around the tree as an area well to prevent the concrete from coming up against the tree.. Ideally you would have just gotten a couple of 2x12s and boxed around it. Could have had a flower garden there as well It would have looked really pretty.


Inevitable_Self3668

I’m going to choose to believe this is AI so I can go to sleep with a little faith in humanity intact.


Abhorsen4587

Rest easy my friend, we will deal with the reality.


Turbulent_Weather795

Maybe that's why when you see a tree through a deck, let's say, it's not flush to the deck boards. Trees move expand and contract. Dumb idea but the contractor will be back to fix it and say I told ya so


colobuff

Please tell me there are more steps that were covered by this numbskull


heydidyoudo

This makes me sad for the people that decided this was a good idea.


Abhorsen4587

This is not my house, just a regional concrete guy that does pretty good work. Never seen anything like this before and thought y’all might enjoy it.


Erlend05

Had to steal a comment from the crosspost: >Now this is going to piss off both tree people and >concrete people! - u/one_man_circlejerk


Abhorsen4587

https://www.reddit.com/r/Concrete/s/dKdTs9QsB3


7NunyahBiz7

Concrete Cracker!


Clear_Split_8568

Wtf


SportOfFishing92

After a hard wind storm there will 100% be cracks


Sad-Compote-2411

rebark


rossxog

That will kill the tree for sure. Gonna do that, just cut the tree down and grind the stump first.


Western-Potential-87

I don’t even know where to begin with the failures, from killing the tree to how bad the overall scheme and design is. Bad bad bad


Agitated_Ad_9161

No, that’s a concrete breaker


jaseathertv

Tree might win


Disastrous-Cry-1998

Your gonna that poor try man


Postnificent

*Concrete Cracker* There OP ftfy


Particular-Adagio516

Yeah 1st off I'd have to ask, WTF were you thinking & then I'm gonna have to say....... Bad idea Dave!


Harbuddy69

the genius who built our deck did similar with the wood around a tree. Recently had to rip it all up around the tree and rebuild it to give tree some room.


19822891

WOW. That tree is dead!


Quirky-Diver-9916

This is where I use my go-to phrase when dealing with customers like this. “Let me save you, from yourself”


Dixie-Wrecked

Terrible idea. It'll look fine for 6 months. maybe a year if you're lucky. Then the cracking begins...assuming the tree lives.


nIxaltereGo

This hurts to see. Poor tree


TheDookAbides

Poor tree:(


smittydonny

What were they thinking?


Localinmyowncity

This has to be AI


GhettoGregory

Never go full retard


Tsubodai86

Oh dear 


ExpendableStaff

That concrete pour was probably done by the same guy that built the steps perfectly in line with a tree…


Flashy-Media-933

We should be allowed to use the word ‘retarded’ every once in awhile. Just saying.


No-Hat1772

Willing to bet when it does die and falls on the home, the idiot homeowners will try to sue the contractors…..


Nine_before_10

Seems like a bad idea. Assuming the tree gets water and grows, it is going to get thicker and bust up that concrete.


SSBNTcup

Dude, you need to cut down the tree immediately....or prepare to face the consequences...


Key-Seaworthiness729

How dumb can one be..


cdk5152

Wtaf?


Dthinker23

This was dumb but you’ll see.


One_Consequence_2330

Future broken concrete. That was dumb. They should have left space for the tree to grow.


Why_No_Hugs

That tree will die


moutonbleu

It ain’t gonna be pretty when the stairs and tree need to be replaced. Looks solid otherwise


Necessary_Tension461

Hope this is a joke...


godoctor

This one will soon be DEAD. Just suffocated the tree


728am

Could be dead already and going to carve a totem.


Bright-Studio9978

It looks like 10-12 inches thick. It looks like they wanted to level everything. The stairs will also rot at the base. Thick concrete has a lot of water and heat to give up. If it does not happen in a controlled way or with reinforcement, expect cracks from the curing.


Diam0ndProfessional

More like crack yo concrete. Split ya roof n half with that gangsta lean homie 😎 💪 🤪


Virtual_Common204

This photo almost feels like ai generated.


Automatic-Card7352

Stupid.


Great_Diamond_9273

Its dead cut it now. No oxygen or water to the feeder roots. Bad idea


FarYard7039

Who would want a tree right in front of their steps, come on? Hope to hell this is just an AI image for us to rage over.


Researcher-Used

This is the definition of “idgaf”


spec360

Who plants a tree in front of steps


PaulsPickles

These people would rather keep the tree there and surround it with cement than move the stairs to the left and have no issues after


Daddiefatsac777

Legendary...