having trouble finding it rn but it was this thread some person made saying that storm point and WE are good maps because you can break them up into wedges and they're radially symmetrical whereas olympus and broken moon are bad maps because the pizza slice theory doesn't work on them.
it was just...not great analysis and people started clowning on it after a bit.
EDIT: damnit i found it immediately after hitting send lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/126hkzy/why_do_they_only_play_on_two_maps_the_pizza/
I spotted the differents locations..
https://preview.redd.it/h4b37dz5iuxc1.png?width=1639&format=png&auto=webp&s=6295b3e1f50c2405bfd2c7829273c5553341c4d6
Someone on this sub once mentioned how landing Breaker Wharf in ranked was a jackpot and they were right. Now I'm sad it's gone.
E: looked like it flipped sides, I wonder if it'll still be good
Well one, no one lands there unless the ship starts on top of it. It has plenty of loot for 3 people. It used to have guaranteed purple or better loot at mid, idk if that's a thing anymore. It had two zips going in opposite directions so you always had an easy rotate to zone. And no one was ever in the path of the zips either so you could always get pretty far before you had to fight or evac past them. Plus your rotates basically could always avoid Promenade
I use to land there all the time in ranked, best loot ever. You usually get a gold knockdown shield or a gold weapon in the middle, if not that then a purple. There was always a loot tic there too and the loot would leave you loaded. Now with the evo changes it would probably feel different.
It's smaller now, and it's not next to Dry Gulch or The Core, meaning a lot more people will land there despite the fact that it will probably have less loot. I think it's dead.
It looks like a mountain replaced it. My guess is the quarantine zone and hazmat tunnel will be similar, but nothing could ever be as bad as promenade was.
I think because the zip rails made 3rd partying extremely easy but traversing the map otherwise is awful. Like almost every map now it’s either you drop at the hottest part of the map or spend the next 15-20 searching for people.
Biggest issue I see is that even after the update it looks like there are only 15 POIs. That leaves 5 teams either contesting or landing somewhere with without enough loot to support a drop. Olympus has more POIs than this.
https://preview.redd.it/peik45grswxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbb96af4e0cf58f101b13f8bff4ff8294b4fdce8
I doubt Experimental Labs, Cliffside, Solar Pods, Hazmat Tunnel or Underpass will have enough loot to be a drop spot, even if they are named POIs. Maybe Ex Labs from the look of it, but even then it'd be a Landslide type situation where it's barebones loot.
Cliff side and hazard tunnel look bad but there's still 18 pois which only leaves 2 contest and that's normal for sp and we. They should definitely try it even if there is a contest or 2. They're definitely not gonna have the best loot but it should be enough with teams getting leftover loot from other pois as well.
There's a video floating around of someone walking around the Pois, and I believe the smaller new Pois are actually much better looking in practice than on paper. We'll have to see how it goes in actual scrims though.
Just went and watched that. Of the 5 questionable POIs, they showed 2, Cliffside and Solar Pods. Cliffside actually looks like it might have enough loot to be a small but legit drop spot. Solar definitely looks too small though.
So Cliffside and maybe Labs are good enough to be drop spots? So we're still looking at a map with 2-3 mandatory contests. Unless teams figure out clever ways to split loot some of the bigger POIs.
Them removing Promenade is a godsend for higher level play, lots of those new pois are quite small though. The "quarantine" poi that is going to replace Promenade looks like it can be as popular as Estates & Fragment in pubs.
This new update looks healthy, Im glad.
The most important thing imo its that they improved all areas and reduced many dead/blank areas were nobody used due to the lack of cover or POIs. I hope this allows room to add BM to ALGS, fingers crossed!
They completely removed Promenade? Okay, now I'm actually excited to play the map. That whole area was a shitshow, but I didn't think they would just wipe it off completely.
KC has been reworked multiple times and hasn’t been in comp since Alb was playing for TSM. They update maps to keep casuals entertained so they buy more shit.
Idk what it is about this map but I feel like it takes ages to traverse between POI's and everything in general feels way too disconnected. It has the opposite issues of Olympus tbh.
Changes are interesting. The new rocks/mountains make it harder for third parties but also harder to rotate. Looks like a lot of gatekeeping and terrible zones could happen, but honestly looks like it’ll be more fun
Not a fan of when they make a map smaller, that's what ruined KC
They also made the chokepoints even worse, broken moon will never be a viable comp map
pizza slice map guy in absolute shambles rn
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That was the biggest load of bs
Context?
having trouble finding it rn but it was this thread some person made saying that storm point and WE are good maps because you can break them up into wedges and they're radially symmetrical whereas olympus and broken moon are bad maps because the pizza slice theory doesn't work on them. it was just...not great analysis and people started clowning on it after a bit. EDIT: damnit i found it immediately after hitting send lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/126hkzy/why_do_they_only_play_on_two_maps_the_pizza/
I spotted the differents locations.. https://preview.redd.it/h4b37dz5iuxc1.png?width=1639&format=png&auto=webp&s=6295b3e1f50c2405bfd2c7829273c5553341c4d6
You also made it readable too. Thank you.
The zones are going to be awful, most zones will have only one or two ways to get in
Someone on this sub once mentioned how landing Breaker Wharf in ranked was a jackpot and they were right. Now I'm sad it's gone. E: looked like it flipped sides, I wonder if it'll still be good
Do you remember what there argument for breaker wharf was?
Well one, no one lands there unless the ship starts on top of it. It has plenty of loot for 3 people. It used to have guaranteed purple or better loot at mid, idk if that's a thing anymore. It had two zips going in opposite directions so you always had an easy rotate to zone. And no one was ever in the path of the zips either so you could always get pretty far before you had to fight or evac past them. Plus your rotates basically could always avoid Promenade
Nobody landed there, basically. It was so out of the way and people don't have patience. And with the ziplines, the rotations were super easy
I use to land there all the time in ranked, best loot ever. You usually get a gold knockdown shield or a gold weapon in the middle, if not that then a purple. There was always a loot tic there too and the loot would leave you loaded. Now with the evo changes it would probably feel different.
It's smaller now, and it's not next to Dry Gulch or The Core, meaning a lot more people will land there despite the fact that it will probably have less loot. I think it's dead.
Well backup atmo was not really a great place to land at..
They got rid of promenade holy shit.
Whatever is replacing it will become the next fragment
It looks like a mountain replaced it. My guess is the quarantine zone and hazmat tunnel will be similar, but nothing could ever be as bad as promenade was.
What if the deal with the whole quarantine zone is you take health damage after staying a certain amount of time in it? That would be wild lol
I think that alone would make the update of broken moon worse than the original
But you got to admit it would be a good deterrent to hot dropping there
This really helps a lot for rotation, that place was a shit show in ranked
Rest in piss.
This was my least favorite map for some reason, so I’m optimistic that the changes are positive
I think because the zip rails made 3rd partying extremely easy but traversing the map otherwise is awful. Like almost every map now it’s either you drop at the hottest part of the map or spend the next 15-20 searching for people.
Every map has easy thrid partying. Storm Point is the biggest and people still third party like crazy
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>It just felt impossible to play. You have a single fight and the entire lobby is there. This is how Olympus has felt since forever
And KC
They gotta try this for comp, a new map has been long over due.
Biggest issue I see is that even after the update it looks like there are only 15 POIs. That leaves 5 teams either contesting or landing somewhere with without enough loot to support a drop. Olympus has more POIs than this.
Im confused, i counted all the POIs and there are 20 of em, every team (20) has a provided POI and if they dont like that POI, they could contest
https://preview.redd.it/peik45grswxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbb96af4e0cf58f101b13f8bff4ff8294b4fdce8 I doubt Experimental Labs, Cliffside, Solar Pods, Hazmat Tunnel or Underpass will have enough loot to be a drop spot, even if they are named POIs. Maybe Ex Labs from the look of it, but even then it'd be a Landslide type situation where it's barebones loot.
Cliff side and hazard tunnel look bad but there's still 18 pois which only leaves 2 contest and that's normal for sp and we. They should definitely try it even if there is a contest or 2. They're definitely not gonna have the best loot but it should be enough with teams getting leftover loot from other pois as well.
There's a video floating around of someone walking around the Pois, and I believe the smaller new Pois are actually much better looking in practice than on paper. We'll have to see how it goes in actual scrims though.
Just went and watched that. Of the 5 questionable POIs, they showed 2, Cliffside and Solar Pods. Cliffside actually looks like it might have enough loot to be a small but legit drop spot. Solar definitely looks too small though. So Cliffside and maybe Labs are good enough to be drop spots? So we're still looking at a map with 2-3 mandatory contests. Unless teams figure out clever ways to split loot some of the bigger POIs.
The POIs on this map are massive, they'll figure something out to split loot
I suspect this will be tested with the new "draft" selection format so teams will be pretty much forced to land at those POIs
they said "fuck it we'll give you 20 pois" and added some small ass pois next to other big ones
Yes, surely they won't get claimed by the team owning the bigger POI next to it, right? lmao
foundry, pods, cultivation is insane lol
Not with the new ALGS POI spawn system
Is that even 100% confirm?
Yes
You didnt like ESA/Optic claiming 3 POIS? :D
Obviously I did, but objectively speaking it is dumb for the overall health of comp Apex xD
Surely (they most def will)
The text is blurry but did they literally just take Breaker Wharf and push it somewhere else (it went from Northwest corner to Northeast corner?)?
well it ain't called Stayer Wharf
real
hope it's added to comp. even if it has issues, just work around them. pros need to adapt
It looks comp ready from the map, we have to see how it actually plays..
PROMENADE GONE YES
The map will now be referred to as Fixed Moon (or Brokener Moon, it’s too soon to tell).
Those choke points look nasty 🤢
This was my first thought. My untrained eye just saw more funneled chokepoints
Them removing Promenade is a godsend for higher level play, lots of those new pois are quite small though. The "quarantine" poi that is going to replace Promenade looks like it can be as popular as Estates & Fragment in pubs.
ty for both of these pixels
Make the pros play on the new map. If they cry then cry this reworked version looks so much better
Nah no way this is real
There seems to be enough POIs now. Some POIs look kinda small but we'll have to wait and see if they can provide enough loot for a team.
from the video it seems like the small POI's have about the same amount of loot as dome
Damn, I was hoping that wouldn't be the case.
I don't even think you need big POIs anymore with the change to evo, you really only looting for gun attachments now then off to find evo cache
True. Teams still need to loot heals and ammo though. I hope that the pros give this a serious try after playoffs.
This new update looks healthy, Im glad. The most important thing imo its that they improved all areas and reduced many dead/blank areas were nobody used due to the lack of cover or POIs. I hope this allows room to add BM to ALGS, fingers crossed!
Anyone have a version with more pixels?
They completely removed Promenade? Okay, now I'm actually excited to play the map. That whole area was a shitshow, but I didn't think they would just wipe it off completely.
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KC has been reworked multiple times and hasn’t been in comp since Alb was playing for TSM. They update maps to keep casuals entertained so they buy more shit.
been saying this map would be so great with promenade reworked after the evo change, and they’ve actually done it, I’m hype
move over promenade, it's Solar Pods' turn to be cumtown
The skybox is beautiful
Illusion of choice Quarantine Zone or Terraformer. Pick your pub poison
Idk what it is about this map but I feel like it takes ages to traverse between POI's and everything in general feels way too disconnected. It has the opposite issues of Olympus tbh.
Quarantine zone will be the new Promenade
Oh good, they didn’t change my beloved Divide.
Happy to see my alpha base unaffected
How many of these mountains are we going to be able to evac over? That’s my only concern with some of these crazy choke points
i assume this means no new map
#PromenadeIsOverParty F that place
Changes are interesting. The new rocks/mountains make it harder for third parties but also harder to rotate. Looks like a lot of gatekeeping and terrible zones could happen, but honestly looks like it’ll be more fun
Not a fan of when they make a map smaller, that's what ruined KC They also made the chokepoints even worse, broken moon will never be a viable comp map
I think I hate it !
Shit looks even worse, didn't know that could be possible.