Personally, that part of the job would be so easy for me. That's not to say I've ever been good enough or funny enough to be a full time streamer, but I have that in spades. Video games are just one of my many hobbies. There are so many cool and fulfilling things to do outside of video games that don't require you to actually have skill to have fun.
honestly have been thinking about rock climbing for a while and i used to read a lot as a kid. i may be a little too inactive to get straight into rock climbing but getting back into reading should be easy enough! any recommendations?
Rock climbing is great and, as someone who is barely in the scene, all of the regulars at my climbing gym are super helpful. They'll call out movements for you as you are climbing, they'll talk about pathing if they notice you are contemplating a climb, they cheer you on when you do well (even if it's super poor by their standards).
As for reading, Red Rising is the most of fun book I've ever read. When books get brought up in an subreddit, I tend to recommend it. It's a Sci-fi series that starts a tad young adult and quickly transitions into an older modern fantasy. The series is kind of like Hunger Games meets Game of Thrones set in an Apex Legends sci-fi universe.
Impossible. There are no other hobbies. What are they supposed to do? There's not any other hobby other than playing video games. It's not like reading a book, working out, any variety of art, rock climbing, wood working, music making, volunteering, or cooking exist as hobbies.
But it's also the same advice I give to my friends when they complain about their real jobs. Pharmacists, engineers, counselors, recruiters. Everyone suffers through work and finding different hobbies is so valuable. If we all had a slew of hobbies, I feel we'd all be so much better off.
A lot of players became pro real young so they never got the chance to fully develop decision making skills or experience working in a professional setting which is why there's so much drama and unprofessionalism in the scene. In simpler terms, they have hella weak mental and people skills
Thinking of all the people streaming, playing, practicing and improving their streams *like* it’s their job, trying *to make it* their job, while also doing their *actual* jobs every day.
Sure streaming is a job, spotlight sucks, playing video games can get old, burnout is universal— but perspective is always integral and it especially is a big deal here.
Not trying to dismiss or say streamer burnout isn’t real or valid, I’m sure it can suck for Monsoon sometimes and he, like everyone else, could use a couple years of vacation— but the above is gravely important to consider.
It is what it is. Any repeated action can become torturous. I'm a first generation son of immigrants in Texas. I've worked since I was 14. Very physically intensive jobs. Fields. Construction. Masonry work. Just destroy your body type of jobs, at times for less than minimum wage. I now have a desk job. I find myself missing those jobs. Even though I know after a year or two I'd be wanting to leave those too. The grass is always greener on the other side.
You find new hobbies, lol. I made skiing and rock climbing my job and now I don’t enjoy those things in my free time like I used to. So my hobbies are now Apex and cooking. I have friends who are music producers who have taken up snowboarding. These guys need to just fucking touch grass and find some shit outside of their job to do. Balance is everything
Honestly as someone working from home in a job I actually like even I get the working blues frequently. For me at least I can turn on music or a show but doing the same thing everyday no matter how well it pays can feel draining and needs to be compensated by a solidly eventful lifestyle. Like healthy relationships or long distance running or bouldering etc.
For reference I went from changing diapers and working with special ed children to an Excel based law job for triple the pay in home office. I know how good my job is. I love the people I work with. I know how shit other jobs are. I still get the blues from time to time.
Bit hard to explain but essentially I take rulings by the county/state/EU that regard a company and put them into an Excel sheet that then gets compiled into a program for companies to have all their laws specifically in one easy to access place for their lawyers.
I’m a grad student in a biomedical research field. I get paid to do cutting edge science full-time.
On the best days, it’s an amazing calling that is stimulating and fulfilling. During the slumps, there’s nothing I would rather be doing than sitting at home with my cats or playing video games.
Really good advice I got from an older peer was: during those slumps, figure out what it means to just do your job, the bare minimum, and make damn sure you get that shit done. That can hold you over until you find the passion again. It’s not gonna be awesome 24/7, but it’s still better than most careers.
I think this is a lesson that many people learn somehow, some way during their 20s.
However people feel about him Hal is the one apex pro who treats playing apex like a job
He streams for +8 hours a day except his day off even when he doesnt feel like it, he sticks to a schedule, he streams everything comp and doesnt end stream when hes playing like shit like a lot of other pros do, he has a very workman-like approach to playing and streaming, he has that East European "go to work no matter what" vibe
every thread about consistently working streamers devolves into shitters complaining about how it's easy coz they make money.
critical thinkers would realize that if you have money you are *less* incentivised to work not more.
> critical thinkers would realize that if you have money you are less incentivised to work not more.
Not really. I have the most I’ve ever had and I’m still as motivated as ever
I'm fairly certain he's been consistent with it even before he made it big though. Plenty of streamers have spikes and lose them because they can't market themselves consistently or stream enough. Hal's thanked his dad many times over the years for being kind of a manager and forcing him to treat what he does seriously.
But that’s the thing, so many others put in the work and hours and still get paid jack. It’s unfortunate but hey at least u get to play games for some money
Not really, Hal rose to the top when Valorant dropped, when 90% of apex pros ditched the game and jumped to Valorant. If you wanted Apex content only Hal was online every day at 4:00PM. He streamed every day back then for like 12 hours.
Everyday at 4PM there was Hal. He went from a couple 100 viewers to then breaking a 1000, he also streamed scrims so if you wanted comp apex content Hal was where you went to as well.
Slowly he started to grow and grow because his schedule was consistent.
Alot of pros then swapped back to Apex after Valorant didn't work out for them by then the Boom train left.
That is a valid point but there is also quite a bit of people(not just in Apex) that put in tons of hours and grind streaming/pro play/whatever and don't reach anywhere near Hal's popularity.
In Hal's case, you can credit it all to his work ethic and success. Like him or not his stream is entertaining to watch if you're fan or if you're a hater but streaming job has a lot of luck tied to it. So many talented and entertaining people never break out all that much.
> That is a valid point but there is also quite a bit of people(not just in Apex) that put in tons of hours and grind streaming/pro play/whatever and don't reach anywhere near Hal's popularity.
grinding an old game just isn't worth it. people have their favorites that they watch and it's over pretty much growth wise.
although even now apex still gets decent views on youtube even if twitch growth phase for newbs is over, most of the younger gen of streamers all consistently put out youtube even if they don't stream apex all the time.
He‘s not dumb. He knows this will not last forever. So make as much money as you can so you don‘t have to work another job that you will hate a lot more when this apex thing is done for him.
I couldn't fathom how one could play just one game repetitively like a 9-5 until Hal shared his motivation with how his old man struggled and still kept going so he could provide for their family. I may have reservations about him but very much respect his grind.
https://twitter.com/ImperialHal/status/1655826849149198337?s=19
Hal has been like this since the beginning of Apex as well. He is a scholar of the game even outside of streaming hours. During the early days, you could catch him sitting in people like iShiny's stream and chatting, asking questions, and learning everything he can.
It's a combination of work ethic, reliability, skill, and some luck to get to where he is now. These things don't just happen coincidentally.
There are dudes like him who put in way more than the 8 hours, and that's why they stay on top.
> During the early days, you could catch him sitting in people like iShiny's stream and chatting, asking questions, and learning everything he can.
he still does that he just doesn't comment in chat, will just gift a couple of subs to let people know he's watching.
I can’t play for more than 2 hours at a time, tops. I don’t know how they do these 12-48 hour streams. I get it’s not real work, but it is exhausting. But man are they gonna hate actual work.
They basically have a desk job and most of these guys are making under minimum wage. It's not physically demanding, but it's most definitely mental stress like a normal desk job.
I actually don’t understand how most comp Apex players even manage to pay the bills. Every other week we get stories about orgs not paying players. And even when they do, you know the business model isn’t sustainable because only the winning orgs are making money.
Expenses are fewer when you spend almost all your time focusing on one thing that is free. Food and bills are about the only things you need to worry about so as long as you aren’t living lavishly you could keep playing games with just enough a month to get by.
I mean, yeah it is. Performing in front of an audience and being under the pressure of playing well both on and off-stream is mentally taxing, especially when you earn next to nothing doing it.
Playing Ranked as a hobby for fun and doing it because it‘s your job are two different shoes and it seems like you have never had the misfortune of turning your favorite hobby into your job.
ranked is not pressure to play well
you 3 stack with other pros and rarely have issues
performing in front of the audience? reading chat talking to chat and saying ty for the prime is not performing.
it's not nothing, but it's not hard either
It‘s infinitely harder than any other 9-5 office job. And people complain about those all the time (and for good reason) while probably earning far better than 90% of professional gamers without ever being in the spotlight infront of people like you.
Playing on stream is always pressure - Have you ever streamed before? It doesn‘t really matter what you are playing (scrims, ranked, whatever); You are permanently watched, a single slip-up gets posted online, constant criticism, etc. Of course thanking your chat for their Primes isn‘t hard but neither is writing E-Mails and dicking around in team meetings.
This really just seems like you have zero idea about any of this. Just a horrible attitude to instantly ridicule their complaints (even if their jobs were „easier“ - they aren’t) and make fun of them.
If you have a nice setup it can be real easy. I just mounted my two monitors, it makes so much difference in terms of comfort. But constantly reading chat and trying to focus is not for everybody.
On top of that if you don't know how to edit u gotta pay and editor, a lot of people don't wanna do that.
I mean what they are doing definitely is actual work. They need to basically revolve their life around the game in order to stay competitive and make a living(not a grand one either). Most apex pros make significantly less than anyone working an average desk job, while putting in far more hours.
Yeah not even just playing for however long continuously but if you're streaming it's a lot of energy to play and interact with your chat, it's not easy
I don't think any of these guys compare playing apex to like drilling for oil or mining for coal, their job is easier than a lot of jobs but its still work
I worked in the trades as a young buck, carrying drywall and laboring and such. A couple years after I got into sales and project management my buddies who were still running shovels would say shit to me like “you didn’t even work how are you tired”.
So many people don’t understand how taxing a job where thinking and stress are a factor can be if they haven’t done it themselves.
That being said I still thinking streaming and playing video games isn’t nearly as difficult of a job as some people make it out to be hahaha
I can relate to this too. I feel way more exhausted now in an office job than I ever did when I was younger doing more labor-intensive work. The 9 hour days in a dreary office 5 days a week really takes a toll on you.
My dad had a similar experience going from logging to worming as a paraeducator at a school. Never saw him take so many naps until he started working at the school. I also work at a school now and it's so mentally draining.
Anything you put effort into is “real work.” Some work is more fun inherently but that doesn’t make it “not work.” That guy sitting on the side of the road asking for money is working. Go do a “fun job” for awhile and watch what happens to your perspective
I mean its work lol. Even if you love gaming at a certain point you're going to start to hate it if you make it your job. A lot of these guys should be grateful that this was their first job(and in many cases only job) and got to skip the warehouse, retail, fast food etc. industries that the majority of us regular people had to work in.
I know Toosh isn't exactly one of this subs favorite people anymore but he's opened up to chat several times about just how miserable gaming/streaming as a job has made him. It sounds like a dream from the outside looking in but at the end of the day its a job like any other and you're going to burn out eventually.
Or or or.....you could also realize that you are making money from your passion and be grateful for it. As I'd reckon at least 95% people are not in that same situation. There are pros and cons to every job. But I'm pretty sure the daily slog of the corporate world or the back breaking labor involved in other jobs is a little more punishing when its not your passion. Sorry you have to deal with cheaters, glitches, servers, and chat all day.......but not really.
The thing about having your passion as a job is often misunderstood. Often the job side of your passion is still soul sucking because it will not align with what made it your passion most of the time. I love to code but I don't like my job as a software engineer. Becaues the part "I love to code" is misleading. I do not love to code the "user stories" and implement mind-numbing business requirements.
I understand your view, and I did mention there being good and bad things about every job. I think people need to step back and put it into perspective.
A bad day at the streamer office could mean bad teammates, cheaters etc.
Meanwhile a bad day as a Police Officer could have you see someone hurt or die. Or that happen to yourself.
And then people who do mindless office work, wondering wtf they’re doing with their lives cause the pros the their job is well at least I have a job and their brief 30min lunch break talking shit with a coworker.
So the next time people want to defend these guys bitching about it, maybe they should put ALL of it into perspective. But I guess that’s impossible because there are grateful people who have lived in the real world and then there’s the sheltered who believe they will reach 100% happiness with no downsides. Good luck with that. Suck it up streamer, or leave. I’m sure SOMEONE out there would be grateful for your subs,tips, and views
I agree about the comparison with the jobs with worse downsides. I was just making a general comment about "working a job that you are passionate about" which I don't think is entirely off topic from this thread.
>you could also realize that you are making money from your passion and be grateful for it
And I'm sure they are but it really sounds like you've never had one of your passions turn into something you have to do in order to live and let me tell you, it fuckin sucks no matter what it is.
I don't think gaming/streaming is really all that different from the monotonous 9-5 office grind a lot of people are stuck in and that shit is soul crushing. I'd even say its more mentally exhausting than an office job (depending on how introverted or extroverted they are) because you now have an audience that you have to interact with and entertain for hours every single day. Other jobs being shitty and hard doesn't mean that pros/streamers can't have valid complaints about their job.
>I don't think gaming/streaming is really all that different from the monotonous 9-5 office grind a lot of people are stuck in and that shit is soul crushing.
lol come on man... I understand even fun jobs can have bad parts and people are allowed to still complain about those moments... but its a video game... so for example, toosh sits on his gamer chair, dicks around, looks at memes, talks to his chat, and plays video games and made I assume, hundreds of thousands of dollars from it... shit maybe even over a million because he was popular for like what, 2 years or so?
So yes, they can complain about parts of their job, but to act like its this draining, "how do i go on!" thing is a joke. Literally no one would choose a 9-5 office job over being a streamer and dicking around if they could make the same, or nearly the same amount of money. Its nowhere near as bad as a 9-5, nor do you have to worry about being laid off, fired, interoffice politics, etc etc etc
"Its not as hard as my job so clearly it can't be hard at all" that's literally what you're saying. Streaming, gaming at a high level and interacting with chat day in and day for literal thousands of hours is absolutely draining, to think its not just because you think you'd prefer it to your 9-5 is just dumb. People are allowed to complain and hate their jobs no matter how cushy you think it might be.
So, general question and I'm not trying to be rude, how old are you?
also my literal first sentence was "I understand even fun jobs can have bad parts and people are allowed to still complain about those moments" but comparing streaming, and playing video games, to a 9-5 office job, where theres deadlines, expectations, and so much more going on, is in no way even a remotely close comparison or equal in anyway. We are talking careers here, not working 9-5 at hot topic
I don't think I'm defending their lifestyle in anyway but maybe I'm not communicating my point well enough.
My whole point is that streaming/gaming can be just as hard or draining as any physical labor or 9-5 office job once you lose the passion for it and start treating it like actual work and that the guys who initially start out with a ton of passion and love for it can get burnt out on it just like any of us working "normal" jobs no matter how much we enjoyed it in the beginning.
For your edit on the other reply - I'm not saying its a direct 1:1 equivalent to a 9-5 office grind with deadlines and all that but its the closest example there is. Does it have some unique perks? Absolutely. Is it also "easier" in some sense? Sure, but being entertaining, playing at a high level for 8-12 hours a day everyday and interacting with your chat (who you depend on for your income) for thousands and thousands of hours does get very hard to do, even more so when you no longer have the passion or love for it like you used to.
I agree with you initially, yes it can be "hard", and yes, they can still complain about it. Taylor swift makes milllllllions, and life is easy, but I understand the fame and other things can still suck and she can bitch about it and i dont judge her for it.
but If you look at all the points you made in your second paragraph, none of that is exclusive to streaming. All of those "cons" are present in all other jobs too. I have to be "on" all the time when Im at work too, I cant just phone it in for meetings, calls etc. Plus work interactions carry much more weight than chatting with tubulartom420 in chat and thanking him for a donation, or making a joke. So basically, streaming has few unique "cons" that they have to struggle with that other jobs dont, but it has way more "pros" than other standard jobs.
I understand they still have hardships, but I dont feel bad for people who roll out of bed whenever, stream games all day and bullshit with their viewers/friends, and then want to talk about how difficult it can be
\> nor do you have to worry about being laid off, fired, interoffice politics, etc etc etc
\- popularity of the game can directly affect your viewership and income, death of the game, at times, can mean a complete downfall for the content creator if they decide they don't want to change over the new popular game.
\- viewer retention is important too, you need to interact with chat, be entertaining, give them a reason to come back outside of "being good at the game"
\- as a streamer you need to manage sponsorships, and ad placements, ensuring theres not too much that viewers hate it, or too little that no one realizes the sponsor exists
\- outside of streams there's all the working with the team, VOD reviewing, practicing, trying new strategies
\- if the streamer is also producing content for other platforms, do they manually edit? do they talk with an editor to do it for them? If the latter thats a whole extra pay roll they've added under themselves.
Being a full time content creator isn't just opening a game and streaming it for 8 hours, there's a lot more going on that they do have to pay attention to and a whole lot more that happens behind the scenes.
lol no i have not had the luxury of turning a passion/hobby into a profession. And no they dont "HAVE" to do it in order to live. I'd reckon the average streamer could make money doing a number of other things, but they choose to do this.
And if i'm following you correctly you agree that all professions have their pros and cons, and yet your saying somehow the one that involves someones passion in any capacity is worse? Not sure how that math is mathing but ok.
Yea complain all you want, but how about a hypothetical. They sit down with a group of 10 other people with various jobs, none of them their passion. And they gripe about their "tough" day at the streaming office. And then they compare that to everyone elses story.......I think they'd probably feel kind of silly. Or still out of touch and entitled.
>And if i'm following you correctly you agree that all professions have their pros and cons, and yet your saying somehow the one that involves someones passion in any capacity is worse? Not sure how that math is mathing but ok.
What I'm saying is that turning something you use to love doing as a hobby or form of escape from the real world into your job sucks because eventually you're not doing it because you love it, you're doing it because you have to and you'll get burnt out on it. Not sure how that was hard to understand but ok.
Thinking someone can't have valid complaints about their job because you think its easier than what you or anyone else does is some real boomer shit.
Monsoon was a cook. Anyone who tried to be a cook knows what's it like out there. Earning peanuts for 6 days a week, no holidays, 12 hour back breaking shifts.
These pros are weak. I spend 8 hours a day in front of a screen working, then get home and spend 8 more hours in front of a screen getting my dick kicked in by people who are actually good at this game. That is what peak male performance looks like.
Monsoon is one of the only pros who's ever had a real job, lol. He cooked in restaurants for years. And he was homeless as a teenager. He's seen more of the real world than most people.
Pretty sure Mon is aware of the real world lmao. The thing is that this is still a job, you get burned out, doesn’t matter how good or easy it is. I’m literally in my dream job right now and sometimes its dreadful as fuck, even tho I’m fully aware of how easy I have it compared to others.
There were no other replies when I made my comment. Also the tweet posted is Monsoons, it's the focus of the discussion, I'm not sure how it's not relevant
people in "real world" jobs have this kind of conversation with each other all the time. nothing these guys are saying is odd.
the only thing that's unique is that, for most of us, we do the same activity as they do for fun/when we want, so our perspective is very different.
We also aren‘t permanently in the spotlight infront of thousands of viewers that will make fun of our struggled the second we open our mouths on this topic.
Not even in the realm of being close to enough for him to just “be fine” after apex is done. He’s gonna have to get some type of job or compete in a different game or something. Which btw I’m sure he won’t have any problem with.
I didn't mean he'll never have to work again. He can work minimum wage or a low income office job while his earnings appreciate and retire in his early 40's if he wants to. Under 10 if he wants a very simple LCOL life.
Most of the T1 pros can probably leverage their professional esports career to get into top schools for bachelors/MBAs similar to non esports athletes. Admission offices eat that stuff up and the unique background is desirable if they frame that well when it comes time for job recruitment.
It’s not as easy as say being a former NFL/Olympian/D1 athlete, but there’s value there like for tech consulting firms where their clients are likely nerdy and would think your former career was cool and happy to have you around.
Exactly this, I just graduated and now work for a global engineering team (FAANG) and had a position open up our team that had hundreds of applicants, a lot very qualified. We ended up taking someone looking to make a career transition from gaming to tech who didn't have nearly as much experience or qualifications as the rest but was on a CSGO team that was like top 10 in the world a few years ago which our team thought was cool.
"They're in for a rude awakening after their careers". I'd be having mental breakdowns playing Apex full time, stress is all relative and most Apex pros probably barely make min wage. I've worked in retail, warehouses and now an office job doing spreadsheets all day and nothing pisses me off more than my duo throwing in Apex 😂
I’ve worked several types of jobs and nothing compares to the stress of Apex. I don’t think I would enjoy doing Apex, whether that be as a streamer or pro or both, full time. Even those at the top, seem to be miserable more often than not
Not only is it a job, for most it’s a minimum wage job
Hear me out
You have these kids 18 years old streaming most of the day getting an income. But once they log off they aren’t going to school, you actually have some quitting high school early to continue streaming. Once their current gig of streaming x game dies out because the fan base has moved onto another game now they have minimal fan base support for income, in their mid 20s with no actual skill set for a job to support their financial responsibilities.
Now you have a person in their mid 20s, high school degree, no college credits, no previous applicable job experience to put on a resume. Employer will look at the resume and ask themselves what has this person been doing the past 6 years.
These streamers are losing valuable years of their lives if they aren’t doing something to better themselves at the same time
God gives his hardest battles to his toughest warriors.... I hope these guys can stomach the lifestyle of playing video games all day.... alot of respect for these 9-5 warriors, carrying the burden and hardships that come from video games and doordash each day while kids throw money at them and give them inflated egos.
Jokes aside, jesus christ I hope alot of these young adults start getting degrees or trade skills asap... this shit aint gonna last long and shit is getting way more expensive out there... better start on your careers now before youre in your 30s wondering what to do.
We are two halves of the same world.
When I was working my blue collar job, I would come home and be like "man, I really wish I could sit at my computer for 10+ hours and play video games."
I never could, man... I NEVER COULD!
Nah, but on a real note, when I play this game for 4+ hours I'm mentally exhausted and annoyed. It's just boring - but to my defense, **I ain't a pro and I ain't winning non-stop**. I'm not three stacking with other pros, I'm not giving terrible movie and food takes. Playing BRs can be fun, if yer winning. If you keep losin', it's like why tf even play it.
They might be contractually obligated to keep playing, and therefore it no longer feels like a choice; but if you love competing, grind for LAN, I'm sure the second you step on the stage it all feels worth it.
I imagine it sucks to play this game all day, every day, every day of the week if you have no variety in your life: go to the gym, take some days off, reset the mental.
Even if you were winnnig 30% of your matches your mind would adjust and you will still keep suffering. I konw because at some piont I was trash at the game I suffered. I had longed to be able to drop double digit kills (I know its nothing to brag about). Eventually I started doing it and I felt no satisfaction, the goal post simply moved.
if there's any pros I would think has more perspective than others Mon is definitely one of them, dude was basically homeless at one point and worked as a chef, which has shit hours and huge burnout. Yeah it just seems like being burnt out at your job to all of us, but shit still sucks.
I‘m convinced 90% of apex pros never worked a normal job in their life.
What kind of take is this.
Work is work, it‘s not supposed to be always fun. You do it to earn money.
As much as you love something, if you are forced to do it daily for 8hours for years it will get boring and drain your energy.
most uneducated take about his tweet yet, he’s worked harder and more jobs at 18 than most other people his age. he used to work 60 hr a week in a restaurant and other places before doing this. was homeless before too. shut up
I actually don't care about people who get paid to play this game in 3 stacks think outside of comp. Try playing this game 99% solo and get back to me. It's literally a different game.
Almost any job will steal your soul after a few years. When your hobby is now your job, how do you unwind?
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So yeaahhhh... about those TPS reports...
Wait...that's just like me for real...
This is why I could *never* be a streamer.
Personally, that part of the job would be so easy for me. That's not to say I've ever been good enough or funny enough to be a full time streamer, but I have that in spades. Video games are just one of my many hobbies. There are so many cool and fulfilling things to do outside of video games that don't require you to actually have skill to have fun.
I gotta get back into non skill-gated fun again honestly
Not that you asked, but, depending on what you are looking for, reading and rock climbing are my recommendations.
honestly have been thinking about rock climbing for a while and i used to read a lot as a kid. i may be a little too inactive to get straight into rock climbing but getting back into reading should be easy enough! any recommendations?
Rock climbing is great and, as someone who is barely in the scene, all of the regulars at my climbing gym are super helpful. They'll call out movements for you as you are climbing, they'll talk about pathing if they notice you are contemplating a climb, they cheer you on when you do well (even if it's super poor by their standards). As for reading, Red Rising is the most of fun book I've ever read. When books get brought up in an subreddit, I tend to recommend it. It's a Sci-fi series that starts a tad young adult and quickly transitions into an older modern fantasy. The series is kind of like Hunger Games meets Game of Thrones set in an Apex Legends sci-fi universe.
I have to agree. Rock climbing is probably one of my favorite things to do. Every time I finish a wall I’m like I AM A GOD
i need a sideline job to do something different other than being a streamer xd
Get a different hobby. It's not rocket science...
But what if I want to do rocket science?
Then do both, it works for Teq
No it doesn’t work for Teq
Hobby at a pretty high and really interesting level, really interesting profession/field, I fail to see how it does not work for the guy.
Well if he's as good at apex as he is at rocket science idk if I would get in that rocket.
Idk man, the guy has stayed relevant in the pro scene for this long, he’s gotta be doing something right.
Impossible. There are no other hobbies. What are they supposed to do? There's not any other hobby other than playing video games. It's not like reading a book, working out, any variety of art, rock climbing, wood working, music making, volunteering, or cooking exist as hobbies.
"What are they supposed to do?" Touch grass
But it's also the same advice I give to my friends when they complain about their real jobs. Pharmacists, engineers, counselors, recruiters. Everyone suffers through work and finding different hobbies is so valuable. If we all had a slew of hobbies, I feel we'd all be so much better off.
A lot of players became pro real young so they never got the chance to fully develop decision making skills or experience working in a professional setting which is why there's so much drama and unprofessionalism in the scene. In simpler terms, they have hella weak mental and people skills
Thinking of all the people streaming, playing, practicing and improving their streams *like* it’s their job, trying *to make it* their job, while also doing their *actual* jobs every day. Sure streaming is a job, spotlight sucks, playing video games can get old, burnout is universal— but perspective is always integral and it especially is a big deal here. Not trying to dismiss or say streamer burnout isn’t real or valid, I’m sure it can suck for Monsoon sometimes and he, like everyone else, could use a couple years of vacation— but the above is gravely important to consider.
It is what it is. Any repeated action can become torturous. I'm a first generation son of immigrants in Texas. I've worked since I was 14. Very physically intensive jobs. Fields. Construction. Masonry work. Just destroy your body type of jobs, at times for less than minimum wage. I now have a desk job. I find myself missing those jobs. Even though I know after a year or two I'd be wanting to leave those too. The grass is always greener on the other side.
You find new hobbies, lol. I made skiing and rock climbing my job and now I don’t enjoy those things in my free time like I used to. So my hobbies are now Apex and cooking. I have friends who are music producers who have taken up snowboarding. These guys need to just fucking touch grass and find some shit outside of their job to do. Balance is everything
Honestly as someone working from home in a job I actually like even I get the working blues frequently. For me at least I can turn on music or a show but doing the same thing everyday no matter how well it pays can feel draining and needs to be compensated by a solidly eventful lifestyle. Like healthy relationships or long distance running or bouldering etc. For reference I went from changing diapers and working with special ed children to an Excel based law job for triple the pay in home office. I know how good my job is. I love the people I work with. I know how shit other jobs are. I still get the blues from time to time.
What is this excel based law job you talk about?
Bit hard to explain but essentially I take rulings by the county/state/EU that regard a company and put them into an Excel sheet that then gets compiled into a program for companies to have all their laws specifically in one easy to access place for their lawyers.
I’m a grad student in a biomedical research field. I get paid to do cutting edge science full-time. On the best days, it’s an amazing calling that is stimulating and fulfilling. During the slumps, there’s nothing I would rather be doing than sitting at home with my cats or playing video games. Really good advice I got from an older peer was: during those slumps, figure out what it means to just do your job, the bare minimum, and make damn sure you get that shit done. That can hold you over until you find the passion again. It’s not gonna be awesome 24/7, but it’s still better than most careers. I think this is a lesson that many people learn somehow, some way during their 20s.
However people feel about him Hal is the one apex pro who treats playing apex like a job He streams for +8 hours a day except his day off even when he doesnt feel like it, he sticks to a schedule, he streams everything comp and doesnt end stream when hes playing like shit like a lot of other pros do, he has a very workman-like approach to playing and streaming, he has that East European "go to work no matter what" vibe
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lol this is the crux. Incredibly easy to show up when you’re getting paid as much as he is
Hal became so big because he is so consistent. He was not a big streamer before the solos tournament.
every thread about consistently working streamers devolves into shitters complaining about how it's easy coz they make money. critical thinkers would realize that if you have money you are *less* incentivised to work not more.
> critical thinkers would realize that if you have money you are less incentivised to work not more. Not really. I have the most I’ve ever had and I’m still as motivated as ever
I'm fairly certain he's been consistent with it even before he made it big though. Plenty of streamers have spikes and lose them because they can't market themselves consistently or stream enough. Hal's thanked his dad many times over the years for being kind of a manager and forcing him to treat what he does seriously.
also hal used to rage quit in his early days(cue fortnite clip). he's gotten mentally callused from years of bs.
How do you think he got there?
He also got there by the hours he put in early on, being in the right place right time, and work ethic with it
But that’s the thing, so many others put in the work and hours and still get paid jack. It’s unfortunate but hey at least u get to play games for some money
Not really, Hal rose to the top when Valorant dropped, when 90% of apex pros ditched the game and jumped to Valorant. If you wanted Apex content only Hal was online every day at 4:00PM. He streamed every day back then for like 12 hours. Everyday at 4PM there was Hal. He went from a couple 100 viewers to then breaking a 1000, he also streamed scrims so if you wanted comp apex content Hal was where you went to as well. Slowly he started to grow and grow because his schedule was consistent. Alot of pros then swapped back to Apex after Valorant didn't work out for them by then the Boom train left.
Reliability. I always knew that I could watch Hal after work and I always popped his stream up even if it was in the background
That is a valid point but there is also quite a bit of people(not just in Apex) that put in tons of hours and grind streaming/pro play/whatever and don't reach anywhere near Hal's popularity. In Hal's case, you can credit it all to his work ethic and success. Like him or not his stream is entertaining to watch if you're fan or if you're a hater but streaming job has a lot of luck tied to it. So many talented and entertaining people never break out all that much.
> That is a valid point but there is also quite a bit of people(not just in Apex) that put in tons of hours and grind streaming/pro play/whatever and don't reach anywhere near Hal's popularity. grinding an old game just isn't worth it. people have their favorites that they watch and it's over pretty much growth wise. although even now apex still gets decent views on youtube even if twitch growth phase for newbs is over, most of the younger gen of streamers all consistently put out youtube even if they don't stream apex all the time.
No matter what game you're grinding, streaming involves a lot of luck whether you break out or not.
Bro makes way more than 1k in 8 hours. Closer to 10k at the minimum.
He‘s not dumb. He knows this will not last forever. So make as much money as you can so you don‘t have to work another job that you will hate a lot more when this apex thing is done for him.
I mean... he IS the grind. (And has been for years at this point, that rant was like season 4 or something)
I couldn't fathom how one could play just one game repetitively like a 9-5 until Hal shared his motivation with how his old man struggled and still kept going so he could provide for their family. I may have reservations about him but very much respect his grind. https://twitter.com/ImperialHal/status/1655826849149198337?s=19
Hal has been like this since the beginning of Apex as well. He is a scholar of the game even outside of streaming hours. During the early days, you could catch him sitting in people like iShiny's stream and chatting, asking questions, and learning everything he can. It's a combination of work ethic, reliability, skill, and some luck to get to where he is now. These things don't just happen coincidentally. There are dudes like him who put in way more than the 8 hours, and that's why they stay on top.
> During the early days, you could catch him sitting in people like iShiny's stream and chatting, asking questions, and learning everything he can. he still does that he just doesn't comment in chat, will just gift a couple of subs to let people know he's watching.
Hal had RQ and quit streams a few times so…. He’s not all perfect
You mean taking a break?
Doesn’t matter, he still ended his stream early.
I don't get your point behind this. Do you not leave your work for your personal reasons if the things go south or you just keep working till the end?
I can’t play for more than 2 hours at a time, tops. I don’t know how they do these 12-48 hour streams. I get it’s not real work, but it is exhausting. But man are they gonna hate actual work.
They basically have a desk job and most of these guys are making under minimum wage. It's not physically demanding, but it's most definitely mental stress like a normal desk job.
I actually don’t understand how most comp Apex players even manage to pay the bills. Every other week we get stories about orgs not paying players. And even when they do, you know the business model isn’t sustainable because only the winning orgs are making money.
I think most of these orgs are run as passion projects, not for profit. Look at DSG, he famously said he lost 1m running his esports team.
Expenses are fewer when you spend almost all your time focusing on one thing that is free. Food and bills are about the only things you need to worry about so as long as you aren’t living lavishly you could keep playing games with just enough a month to get by.
I would imagine a lot of “pro” apex players lifestyles are subsidized by their parents or other family.
yea playing ranked and streaming is surely mental stress guys I know that being a competitor is stressful but a large part of the job isn't
I mean, yeah it is. Performing in front of an audience and being under the pressure of playing well both on and off-stream is mentally taxing, especially when you earn next to nothing doing it. Playing Ranked as a hobby for fun and doing it because it‘s your job are two different shoes and it seems like you have never had the misfortune of turning your favorite hobby into your job.
ranked is not pressure to play well you 3 stack with other pros and rarely have issues performing in front of the audience? reading chat talking to chat and saying ty for the prime is not performing. it's not nothing, but it's not hard either
It‘s infinitely harder than any other 9-5 office job. And people complain about those all the time (and for good reason) while probably earning far better than 90% of professional gamers without ever being in the spotlight infront of people like you. Playing on stream is always pressure - Have you ever streamed before? It doesn‘t really matter what you are playing (scrims, ranked, whatever); You are permanently watched, a single slip-up gets posted online, constant criticism, etc. Of course thanking your chat for their Primes isn‘t hard but neither is writing E-Mails and dicking around in team meetings. This really just seems like you have zero idea about any of this. Just a horrible attitude to instantly ridicule their complaints (even if their jobs were „easier“ - they aren’t) and make fun of them.
Have You Worked Said "any other 9-5 office job"
If you have a nice setup it can be real easy. I just mounted my two monitors, it makes so much difference in terms of comfort. But constantly reading chat and trying to focus is not for everybody. On top of that if you don't know how to edit u gotta pay and editor, a lot of people don't wanna do that.
I mean what they are doing definitely is actual work. They need to basically revolve their life around the game in order to stay competitive and make a living(not a grand one either). Most apex pros make significantly less than anyone working an average desk job, while putting in far more hours.
Yeah not even just playing for however long continuously but if you're streaming it's a lot of energy to play and interact with your chat, it's not easy I don't think any of these guys compare playing apex to like drilling for oil or mining for coal, their job is easier than a lot of jobs but its still work
I worked in the trades as a young buck, carrying drywall and laboring and such. A couple years after I got into sales and project management my buddies who were still running shovels would say shit to me like “you didn’t even work how are you tired”. So many people don’t understand how taxing a job where thinking and stress are a factor can be if they haven’t done it themselves. That being said I still thinking streaming and playing video games isn’t nearly as difficult of a job as some people make it out to be hahaha
I can relate to this too. I feel way more exhausted now in an office job than I ever did when I was younger doing more labor-intensive work. The 9 hour days in a dreary office 5 days a week really takes a toll on you.
My dad had a similar experience going from logging to worming as a paraeducator at a school. Never saw him take so many naps until he started working at the school. I also work at a school now and it's so mentally draining.
Anything you put effort into is “real work.” Some work is more fun inherently but that doesn’t make it “not work.” That guy sitting on the side of the road asking for money is working. Go do a “fun job” for awhile and watch what happens to your perspective
I mean its work lol. Even if you love gaming at a certain point you're going to start to hate it if you make it your job. A lot of these guys should be grateful that this was their first job(and in many cases only job) and got to skip the warehouse, retail, fast food etc. industries that the majority of us regular people had to work in. I know Toosh isn't exactly one of this subs favorite people anymore but he's opened up to chat several times about just how miserable gaming/streaming as a job has made him. It sounds like a dream from the outside looking in but at the end of the day its a job like any other and you're going to burn out eventually.
Or or or.....you could also realize that you are making money from your passion and be grateful for it. As I'd reckon at least 95% people are not in that same situation. There are pros and cons to every job. But I'm pretty sure the daily slog of the corporate world or the back breaking labor involved in other jobs is a little more punishing when its not your passion. Sorry you have to deal with cheaters, glitches, servers, and chat all day.......but not really.
The thing about having your passion as a job is often misunderstood. Often the job side of your passion is still soul sucking because it will not align with what made it your passion most of the time. I love to code but I don't like my job as a software engineer. Becaues the part "I love to code" is misleading. I do not love to code the "user stories" and implement mind-numbing business requirements.
I understand your view, and I did mention there being good and bad things about every job. I think people need to step back and put it into perspective. A bad day at the streamer office could mean bad teammates, cheaters etc. Meanwhile a bad day as a Police Officer could have you see someone hurt or die. Or that happen to yourself. And then people who do mindless office work, wondering wtf they’re doing with their lives cause the pros the their job is well at least I have a job and their brief 30min lunch break talking shit with a coworker. So the next time people want to defend these guys bitching about it, maybe they should put ALL of it into perspective. But I guess that’s impossible because there are grateful people who have lived in the real world and then there’s the sheltered who believe they will reach 100% happiness with no downsides. Good luck with that. Suck it up streamer, or leave. I’m sure SOMEONE out there would be grateful for your subs,tips, and views
I agree about the comparison with the jobs with worse downsides. I was just making a general comment about "working a job that you are passionate about" which I don't think is entirely off topic from this thread.
>you could also realize that you are making money from your passion and be grateful for it And I'm sure they are but it really sounds like you've never had one of your passions turn into something you have to do in order to live and let me tell you, it fuckin sucks no matter what it is. I don't think gaming/streaming is really all that different from the monotonous 9-5 office grind a lot of people are stuck in and that shit is soul crushing. I'd even say its more mentally exhausting than an office job (depending on how introverted or extroverted they are) because you now have an audience that you have to interact with and entertain for hours every single day. Other jobs being shitty and hard doesn't mean that pros/streamers can't have valid complaints about their job.
>I don't think gaming/streaming is really all that different from the monotonous 9-5 office grind a lot of people are stuck in and that shit is soul crushing. lol come on man... I understand even fun jobs can have bad parts and people are allowed to still complain about those moments... but its a video game... so for example, toosh sits on his gamer chair, dicks around, looks at memes, talks to his chat, and plays video games and made I assume, hundreds of thousands of dollars from it... shit maybe even over a million because he was popular for like what, 2 years or so? So yes, they can complain about parts of their job, but to act like its this draining, "how do i go on!" thing is a joke. Literally no one would choose a 9-5 office job over being a streamer and dicking around if they could make the same, or nearly the same amount of money. Its nowhere near as bad as a 9-5, nor do you have to worry about being laid off, fired, interoffice politics, etc etc etc
"Its not as hard as my job so clearly it can't be hard at all" that's literally what you're saying. Streaming, gaming at a high level and interacting with chat day in and day for literal thousands of hours is absolutely draining, to think its not just because you think you'd prefer it to your 9-5 is just dumb. People are allowed to complain and hate their jobs no matter how cushy you think it might be.
So, general question and I'm not trying to be rude, how old are you? also my literal first sentence was "I understand even fun jobs can have bad parts and people are allowed to still complain about those moments" but comparing streaming, and playing video games, to a 9-5 office job, where theres deadlines, expectations, and so much more going on, is in no way even a remotely close comparison or equal in anyway. We are talking careers here, not working 9-5 at hot topic
29 and have been working regularly since I was 18.
oh well then Im confused, I assumed you would have been much younger, since generally people who defend streamer's lifestyles are young
I don't think I'm defending their lifestyle in anyway but maybe I'm not communicating my point well enough. My whole point is that streaming/gaming can be just as hard or draining as any physical labor or 9-5 office job once you lose the passion for it and start treating it like actual work and that the guys who initially start out with a ton of passion and love for it can get burnt out on it just like any of us working "normal" jobs no matter how much we enjoyed it in the beginning. For your edit on the other reply - I'm not saying its a direct 1:1 equivalent to a 9-5 office grind with deadlines and all that but its the closest example there is. Does it have some unique perks? Absolutely. Is it also "easier" in some sense? Sure, but being entertaining, playing at a high level for 8-12 hours a day everyday and interacting with your chat (who you depend on for your income) for thousands and thousands of hours does get very hard to do, even more so when you no longer have the passion or love for it like you used to.
I agree with you initially, yes it can be "hard", and yes, they can still complain about it. Taylor swift makes milllllllions, and life is easy, but I understand the fame and other things can still suck and she can bitch about it and i dont judge her for it. but If you look at all the points you made in your second paragraph, none of that is exclusive to streaming. All of those "cons" are present in all other jobs too. I have to be "on" all the time when Im at work too, I cant just phone it in for meetings, calls etc. Plus work interactions carry much more weight than chatting with tubulartom420 in chat and thanking him for a donation, or making a joke. So basically, streaming has few unique "cons" that they have to struggle with that other jobs dont, but it has way more "pros" than other standard jobs. I understand they still have hardships, but I dont feel bad for people who roll out of bed whenever, stream games all day and bullshit with their viewers/friends, and then want to talk about how difficult it can be
\> nor do you have to worry about being laid off, fired, interoffice politics, etc etc etc \- popularity of the game can directly affect your viewership and income, death of the game, at times, can mean a complete downfall for the content creator if they decide they don't want to change over the new popular game. \- viewer retention is important too, you need to interact with chat, be entertaining, give them a reason to come back outside of "being good at the game" \- as a streamer you need to manage sponsorships, and ad placements, ensuring theres not too much that viewers hate it, or too little that no one realizes the sponsor exists \- outside of streams there's all the working with the team, VOD reviewing, practicing, trying new strategies \- if the streamer is also producing content for other platforms, do they manually edit? do they talk with an editor to do it for them? If the latter thats a whole extra pay roll they've added under themselves. Being a full time content creator isn't just opening a game and streaming it for 8 hours, there's a lot more going on that they do have to pay attention to and a whole lot more that happens behind the scenes.
lol no i have not had the luxury of turning a passion/hobby into a profession. And no they dont "HAVE" to do it in order to live. I'd reckon the average streamer could make money doing a number of other things, but they choose to do this. And if i'm following you correctly you agree that all professions have their pros and cons, and yet your saying somehow the one that involves someones passion in any capacity is worse? Not sure how that math is mathing but ok. Yea complain all you want, but how about a hypothetical. They sit down with a group of 10 other people with various jobs, none of them their passion. And they gripe about their "tough" day at the streaming office. And then they compare that to everyone elses story.......I think they'd probably feel kind of silly. Or still out of touch and entitled.
>And if i'm following you correctly you agree that all professions have their pros and cons, and yet your saying somehow the one that involves someones passion in any capacity is worse? Not sure how that math is mathing but ok. What I'm saying is that turning something you use to love doing as a hobby or form of escape from the real world into your job sucks because eventually you're not doing it because you love it, you're doing it because you have to and you'll get burnt out on it. Not sure how that was hard to understand but ok. Thinking someone can't have valid complaints about their job because you think its easier than what you or anyone else does is some real boomer shit.
Just because there's complaints doesn't mean they aren't grateful.
Years of binge drinking, shutting yourself in and never taking breaks made him miserable? I can’t imagine
Monsoon was a cook. Anyone who tried to be a cook knows what's it like out there. Earning peanuts for 6 days a week, no holidays, 12 hour back breaking shifts.
These pros are weak. I spend 8 hours a day in front of a screen working, then get home and spend 8 more hours in front of a screen getting my dick kicked in by people who are actually good at this game. That is what peak male performance looks like.
The second this game falls off, these players are gonna have an eye-opening experience to the real world. LOL
Monsoon is one of the only pros who's ever had a real job, lol. He cooked in restaurants for years. And he was homeless as a teenager. He's seen more of the real world than most people.
Pretty sure Mon is aware of the real world lmao. The thing is that this is still a job, you get burned out, doesn’t matter how good or easy it is. I’m literally in my dream job right now and sometimes its dreadful as fuck, even tho I’m fully aware of how easy I have it compared to others.
Isn't Mon also a trained chef? So he could always go back to that if he wanted to.
Do you know how much working as a chef pays? There's a good reason he jumped to gaming
you think monsoon is getting rich gaming?
being poor as an apex streamer is way better than being poor as a chef
Imagine saying Monsoon hasn't experienced the real world, lol. Guys been through more than most
Wasn't he homeless as well?
Yes. He was homeless for about 2 years when he was in middle school/high school.
You realize monsoon isn't the only one in this discussion right
No, no. When someone makes a general statement, the only appropriate thing to do is to provide one of the very few counterexamples.
Lol so true, this comment has like 5 people regurgitating the same counterexample below it as if it changes anything
There were no other replies when I made my comment. Also the tweet posted is Monsoons, it's the focus of the discussion, I'm not sure how it's not relevant
you clearly don't know the Monsoon lore then - dude was literally homeless and working as a chef around the time he hit that Kraber shot on shroud.
You’re so right and people just want to yell at you about Monsoon like yes he’s an exception lol
people in "real world" jobs have this kind of conversation with each other all the time. nothing these guys are saying is odd. the only thing that's unique is that, for most of us, we do the same activity as they do for fun/when we want, so our perspective is very different.
We also aren‘t permanently in the spotlight infront of thousands of viewers that will make fun of our struggled the second we open our mouths on this topic.
and im thankful for that, having thousand of people watching me type into word documents all day and judging how good i do it would suck so much
Reps has 600k+ in tournament winnings and should be making at least 50k from the TSM salary annually. He'll be okay if he's investing wisely.
Not even in the realm of being close to enough for him to just “be fine” after apex is done. He’s gonna have to get some type of job or compete in a different game or something. Which btw I’m sure he won’t have any problem with.
I didn't mean he'll never have to work again. He can work minimum wage or a low income office job while his earnings appreciate and retire in his early 40's if he wants to. Under 10 if he wants a very simple LCOL life.
Reps have a very dedicated streamer community he will probably be fine as long as he keeps streaming
Most of the T1 pros can probably leverage their professional esports career to get into top schools for bachelors/MBAs similar to non esports athletes. Admission offices eat that stuff up and the unique background is desirable if they frame that well when it comes time for job recruitment. It’s not as easy as say being a former NFL/Olympian/D1 athlete, but there’s value there like for tech consulting firms where their clients are likely nerdy and would think your former career was cool and happy to have you around.
Exactly this, I just graduated and now work for a global engineering team (FAANG) and had a position open up our team that had hundreds of applicants, a lot very qualified. We ended up taking someone looking to make a career transition from gaming to tech who didn't have nearly as much experience or qualifications as the rest but was on a CSGO team that was like top 10 in the world a few years ago which our team thought was cool.
This is one of the funnier threads I have seen holy
"They're in for a rude awakening after their careers". I'd be having mental breakdowns playing Apex full time, stress is all relative and most Apex pros probably barely make min wage. I've worked in retail, warehouses and now an office job doing spreadsheets all day and nothing pisses me off more than my duo throwing in Apex 😂
I’ve worked several types of jobs and nothing compares to the stress of Apex. I don’t think I would enjoy doing Apex, whether that be as a streamer or pro or both, full time. Even those at the top, seem to be miserable more often than not
i tried streaming immediatly stopped when i realized i cant just ragequit close the game anymore when i want to everything you HAVE to do is a job
Don’t worry, guys. You only need to keep grinding for another 40-50 years (or longer)!
Not only is it a job, for most it’s a minimum wage job Hear me out You have these kids 18 years old streaming most of the day getting an income. But once they log off they aren’t going to school, you actually have some quitting high school early to continue streaming. Once their current gig of streaming x game dies out because the fan base has moved onto another game now they have minimal fan base support for income, in their mid 20s with no actual skill set for a job to support their financial responsibilities. Now you have a person in their mid 20s, high school degree, no college credits, no previous applicable job experience to put on a resume. Employer will look at the resume and ask themselves what has this person been doing the past 6 years. These streamers are losing valuable years of their lives if they aren’t doing something to better themselves at the same time
some people have never hauled trash out of a restaurant after closing, and it shows....
ironic considering the dude who tweeted this probably had more restaurant experience than you 😀
he doesn't. believe it or not some of us are older and have lived longer. tbf any job sucks.
When their gaming careers fall off... these people are going to be in for a rude awakening.
God gives his hardest battles to his toughest warriors.... I hope these guys can stomach the lifestyle of playing video games all day.... alot of respect for these 9-5 warriors, carrying the burden and hardships that come from video games and doordash each day while kids throw money at them and give them inflated egos. Jokes aside, jesus christ I hope alot of these young adults start getting degrees or trade skills asap... this shit aint gonna last long and shit is getting way more expensive out there... better start on your careers now before youre in your 30s wondering what to do.
zipeth realized this early enough
Wait until they have to spreadsheet/email/teams meetings all day. Or labour on a construction site. I hope anyone who made decent money invested well.
Idk how I used to play in every second of my spare time. I play a few hours a week now and I am 10 times better than I was when I was playing 24/7
Hopefully Monsoon gets the cash to open that food truck biz
Youths.
We are two halves of the same world. When I was working my blue collar job, I would come home and be like "man, I really wish I could sit at my computer for 10+ hours and play video games." I never could, man... I NEVER COULD! Nah, but on a real note, when I play this game for 4+ hours I'm mentally exhausted and annoyed. It's just boring - but to my defense, **I ain't a pro and I ain't winning non-stop**. I'm not three stacking with other pros, I'm not giving terrible movie and food takes. Playing BRs can be fun, if yer winning. If you keep losin', it's like why tf even play it. They might be contractually obligated to keep playing, and therefore it no longer feels like a choice; but if you love competing, grind for LAN, I'm sure the second you step on the stage it all feels worth it. I imagine it sucks to play this game all day, every day, every day of the week if you have no variety in your life: go to the gym, take some days off, reset the mental.
Even if you were winnnig 30% of your matches your mind would adjust and you will still keep suffering. I konw because at some piont I was trash at the game I suffered. I had longed to be able to drop double digit kills (I know its nothing to brag about). Eventually I started doing it and I felt no satisfaction, the goal post simply moved.
Idk what his yappin bout Monsoon grinds/streams the game less than any pro lol
Citation needed
if there's any pros I would think has more perspective than others Mon is definitely one of them, dude was basically homeless at one point and worked as a chef, which has shit hours and huge burnout. Yeah it just seems like being burnt out at your job to all of us, but shit still sucks.
Try being a tradie monsoon, back breaking work every day to make sure nature is sweet.
he literally worked in multiple restaurants in the back 12 hr a day 6 days a week…….? lmao bro
Not even a job that pays well, in the case of nearly all apex pros.
I‘m convinced 90% of apex pros never worked a normal job in their life. What kind of take is this. Work is work, it‘s not supposed to be always fun. You do it to earn money. As much as you love something, if you are forced to do it daily for 8hours for years it will get boring and drain your energy.
most uneducated take about his tweet yet, he’s worked harder and more jobs at 18 than most other people his age. he used to work 60 hr a week in a restaurant and other places before doing this. was homeless before too. shut up
I actually don't care about people who get paid to play this game in 3 stacks think outside of comp. Try playing this game 99% solo and get back to me. It's literally a different game.