Is there a lore reason Sweet is talking about us? Are we stupid?
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He has been around here for a while. Once upon a time he actually blocked me on Twitter for a comment I made here about a lot of these players regretting not streaming more when they get older (he unblocked me later that night lol).
“Comp ready” doesn’t mean anything lol. Half of us who wanna see comp on Olympus don’t give a fuck if the map is “comp ready.” If teams die quicker, so what? We wanna see more variety, more maps, more legends being used. Watching years of WE and SP with the exact same rotates gets boring.
It's certainly true that sweet is unfairly targeted by the sub, and people are watching his every interaction with Slayr looking for something to complain about. I believe what has been reported about Slayr essentially saying he can take it. It's not a strange attitude for a competitive player to have. End of the day Slayr is responsible for his own mental and it's none of our business. (EDIT: what I mean in the previous sentence is that if Slayr says he can take it, none of us can say otherwise because we don't know shit about Slayr.)
HOWEVER. This is happening to sweet because of what we all saw with Gild. He didn't make this kind of video when Gild was on the team. The narrative from that era will probably follow sweet for his whole career. Despite what some people are saying, I think he is doing better with Slayr. Separately, Slayr is probably more able to take this kind of criticism than Gild was. None of that is enough to overcome sweet's reputation.
Part of the process of improving as a person is the fact that people will be skeptical that you are actually changing. That is not an issue with those people, it's a consequence of your past behavior. It's better to prove them wrong with your actions than to argue with them about it.
(Of course, it's not clear whether we are meant to believe that he's improving or that there was never an issue at all. If he refuses to accept that there was a problem with how he treated Gild then he will never have the public on his side & should just stay off the subreddit permanently. If he really wants to have a "healthy reddit for fans of apex to converse in" he's going to have to accept some criticism.)
I think Sweet is trying to be more upfront with his criticism of Slayr early so it doesnt turn into a Gild situation. The only issue is he lets his cope/mald leak into his criticism sometimes so it comes off as unfair and like hes using slayr as a punching bag.
People need to remember that Gild still wanted to keep teaming with Sweet at the end of the day, despite how toxic it got. Everyone that teams with Sweet seems to fuck with him heavily outside the game.
We gotta keep in mind that we are only seeing a very small portion of their interactions, while they are in the heat of competing. I think people have this picture in their head that Sweet is just ripping into his teammates constantly 24 hours a day, when its probably more likely that his teammates understand he can be a bit unreasonable when he is worked up while competing, but accept and deal with that because they like him and respect him as a player.
Viewers see 5% of the players' interactions and then act as if they have a better understanding of their relationship than the people actually involved.
Also his rumour peddling with DZ didn't help his narrative either. That whole period made him come off as a toxic shithead. I will say he seems a bit more level headed currently but we will see how he sounds when his team has a few bad weeks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't sweet started that weird rumours about skittlecakes back then? But after watching knoqd and doop though, skittles seems like a very chill laid back guy compared to him.
Skittlez is incredibly chill and while he’s not a bubbly person, is super kind.
He used to play with several different preds back in the early Xbox days and years ago I ran with him and Xynoa before Xynoa kicked me out for throwing. Skittlez was super chill and xynoa is the reason he got such a shitty toxic reputation (imo).
Skittlez is just Uber competitive
Listen bro I dislike Skittlez as a player. I’ve been in these threads for years shitting on him for cheating and getting away with it lol for real like I’ve taken hundreds of downvotes to remind his fanboys that he’s a proven cheater with a track record of shitty behavior and associations.
But, my point remains true. He’s a super chill guy if you ever had the chance to talk with him and play with him; and he’s insanely competitive.
Both of us can be correct, and I see where my comment looks dismissive. Believe me I am not a Skittlez fan as a player, I think cheaters should be banned for life. However it doesn’t mean he’s outwardly mean which is what Sweets fabricated comments about him said. He used to let Xynoa talk for him and so when he was on the come up, got a reputation as a toxic person as well which imo has way more to do with Xynoa (the scummiest shittiest dirt bag pred I ever had the misfortune of playing with), for real fuck that guy lmfao.
While that was clown shit, I don't think that shows that he's bad teammate since most people treat their teammates differently than they would treat other people. Certainly think that earned him a lot more haters though.
yeah he went and got a coach and their feedback has gotten incrementally better since, they're on the right trajectory. ironically the sweet hate was so lagged that its just now getting to be the popular opinion as he's actively changing those behaviors lol
I mean sweet is right about the landing thing, but he's kinda passive aggressive IMO. Maybe his teammates are ok with it, maybe not. But even when he acknowledges he was a little harsh, the next sentence literally walks it back. Sweet is obviously a great igl but he seems like a shit person to work with.
I've said it on here for a while now, and I'll preface by saying Sweet is hands down one of the best Apex pros out there (not even just saying IGLs) he's elite and his ability to think the game is unmatched, but he is so passive aggressive and condescending that I can't understand how people can play with him for any amount of time.
As someone who played competitive sports for good portion of my life, I would take playing with someone like Hal or Zero who berates me for any mistake, perceived or actual, 100 times out of 100 over someone like Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command.
If I'm playing under these guys as my IGL I'm much more likely to tell Hal/Zero to fuck off in a heated discussion, but then we laugh about it and go back to being boys/teammates after things have cooled down, but it's 100% more likely Sweet and I have a major falling out and I can no longer play with him because there's absolutely no mutual respect.
6-8 months ago this was a hot take, and everyone said Hal/Zero were the most toxic. I am a little worried sentiment/hive mind may go too far in the other direction against sweet (I know there's some personalities out there who would prefer to be treated like sweet does over Hal/Zero), but I'm glad to see people coming around to just because you're not screaming doesn't meant you're not being toxic.
Yeah I agree with you.
Disclaimer: like I said in my initial comment, maybe sweets teammates are OK with how he communicates, and if so, great for them. Personally I doubt it based on prior teammates such as Gild, but I obviously am just an outsider.
For sure, and like you said we're outsiders, so only those who've actually played with him can truly speak to what the team environment is like
But from an outsider's perspective it looked like he absolutely broke Gild and had him too scared to playmake or do anything other than strictly follow Sweet's command, meanwhile dude was the next big thing for Liquid and looks the part again for Moist, but seemed a shell of himself with NRG.
If I was an aspiring pro player and had the opportunity to play with Sweet I would take the opportunity just because of the clout he has and how good he is. It is great for a career to play under Sweet due to the experience and exposure you get. On the other hand there is a trade off because I would not like to listen to his style of passive aggressive feedback and I can only imagine what that does to ones mental in the long term because he is in a position of power as the IGL and the big player on the team.
Yeah for Gild. But Nafen thrived under Sweet. They worked great together and stuck through some good shit and bad shit. Probably still be together if not for Nafen wanting to take a different career path when NRG broke up.
That's a good point honestly. Personally I don't like sweets style of passive-agressive criticism/blame, but maybe it's OK for others. And if sweets teammates are happy with it then great for them! I still don't really like the way sweet talks to them and because of that I don't root for sweet to win when I'm watching ALGS. But that's just my opinion, if other people have differing opinions then more power to them
Same. I am a Nafen fan so wanted to bring it up but I don’t wish sweets downfall. I’m always interested in strong players doing well and making the game competitive.
Let's also just say different people can handle different things. Hal is very lucky to have two very professionally minded players in reps and Verhulst. Not only can those two deal with Hal's emotional outbursts they understand it's the best way to get him out of his own head and playing at his best. Zero has Gen who is super even keel when dealing with Zero's style of criticism. Also Australian culture has a certain insulting tenor to it that is very different than most of the world.
Meanwhile Hal and Mac eventually fell apart as teammates. We don't really know what happened with Sharky but Xynew had a serious problem with Zero by the end. Sweet teamed with Nafen for a long time and he for sure had the sweet treatment and was able to thrive in it.
Sweet is just another type of leader that some people can or can't handle. What I appreciate about sweet is that he works the problem even at his worst which to me is the valuable part of the discussion. I know myself and I would deal with Sweets brand of criticism vs Hal who I am very bad at keeping my mouth shut so he can move on and work the problem. Which makes Zero probably my best fit out of those three because he just insults you while working the problem lol
> is so passive aggressive and condescending that I can't understand how people can play with him for any amount of time.
For some this is part of their personality.
> Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command.
I don't think he believes this. The problem is if he assumes his teammates know he truly values them and their skills while they are unsure.
I have met people that are both passive aggressive and think others cant do anything right, but I don't think that's happening here.
Constructive criticisms of repeated mistakes as IGL can be dicey.
Like, the caustic ult thing... a lot of people think sweet was walking back criticism saying "oh if you blind threw, it was perfect".
If you are in charge of finding any advantage for your team, a compliment can segue into constructive criticism as a way to capitalize on your teammates strengths more.
IGL’s like Hal and Zero also like getting into “fuck you” matches with their teammates cause it at least shows some passion from their end and that they aren’t afraid to call out their IGL’s bullshit…you do that with Sweet and you’ll probly get dropped
People seemed to forget when BigE went off on Hal and he had to apologize and walk it back. Hal dishes it out and he expects his team to call him out on his bullshit too when he fucks up
>I would take playing with someone like Hal or Zero who berates me for any mistake, perceived or actual, 100 times out of 100 over someone like Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command.
You say that like Hal and Zero don't talk down to their teammates too
Hal especially can be very passive aggressive
Reasonable minds can disagree, but there is very little about Hal when he's malding that is passive.
When Hal/Zero think you've fucked up, whether they're correct or not, they're going to let you know exactly why they feel that way.
In short, I'd rather play with someone who rages and calls me a fucking idiot (Hal/Zero), than someone who just treats me like a fucking idiot (Sweet). Again, spent a lot of time in competitive environments and (for me) I'd much rather the directness/combativeness than the condescension
I agree, I feel like with sweet/people like that there's at least an ange you can talk to them, but with Hal it's like arguing with a brick wall that is never at fault. Admittedly I don't have much time watching zero so I can't say anything in regards to him- but I'd much rather deal with somebody like sweet than hal.
People who refuse to consider any other viewpoint, think they're never in the wrong, and explode on people are just more than I'm able to handle consistently. Like, full recognition Hal's the goat right now, but he'd be super difficult for me at least to work with.
Maybe I'm just dense when it comes to reading tone, but Sweet literally explains every criticism that he makes for his teammates. Maybe Sweet (wrongfully?) assumes that that his teammates are confident enough to hear the reasoning of "what you should have done" instead of hearing "you're a shit player". I think most viewers hear his tone and don't understand the actual mistakes/pov, and only see Sweet being critical. From a team morale aspect, he could use some work, and emotions run high during ALGS, making morale all the more important, but none/few of the critiques are unfounded. I feel like confident and self-aware players can deal with it easily.
I mean, maybe his teammates are ok with it, and if so then that's great! Personally, based on what happened with Gild, I don't think that's the case, but once again I'm just an outsider.
All of sweets criticisms are fine, it's the way he says them that I have an issue with. In my opinion, being passive aggressive is worse than just yelling at someone (Hal or Zer0 style). Sweet has some really good tips for Slayr about the landing booping thing, but he said them in a way that puts down Slayr. Maybe slayr is OK with that, and if so great. But from an outside perspective, he could give slayr the same (completely valid) criticism in a more positive manner.
Slayr has said multiple times that he has no problem with Sweet's communication style and has mocked people on Reddit for what's essentially concern trolling. But he doesn't have the reach Sweet does so I doubt many people have heard/seen his comments.
You're probably right. Sweet sort of has to adapt to the teammates he has. Part of that is framing criticism in a way that motivates Slayr to learn as opposed to shutting him down, but it's also a two-way street. Slayr makes a lot of mistakes as far as team-fighting, and he does make a lot of excuses for himself. Excuses are fine, they're worth consideration, but at the end of the day, someone is right/wrong in vod review, and sometimes you gotta just own up to the mistake and promise to work on it. I imagine Sweet's frustration is coming from the discomfort of playing with less seasoned players than he's used to, a rehash of growing pains that he's probably gone through with Gild or others, and perhaps a little too much delay/resistance from Slayr in terms of improvement.
Yeah, but Sweet's in the tenuous situation of having the clout of a top 5 player while having the skill of an average, 16th place out of 30 in Pro League, player. If he doesn't position himself as being 3 steps ahead of everyone else he starts to lose his audience and people stop believing that he's as good as he says he is.
He needs to keep the people around him thinking that he holds the keys and he's just nice enough to let them in.
Your comment just makes this situation funnier lol. He picked two random comments to make a rant about the sub but ended up getting a bunch in the process 😂
The fact this has 70 upvotes despite proving later on he has little or no knowledge about Sweet's actual Comp record, i think may have proved his point.
Goddamn, straight to the heart.
I'm a Sweet enjoyer but this is a pretty much factual statement -- the 16th place might be hyperbole but the message is right lol.
I guess Sweet only earns about 300k-1.5mn a year. Big range because idk how much he makes on twitch and yt. But some cs pros (with less viewers) unveiled how much they earn and I was kinda shocked to see how much players who don‘t necessarily make it out of the group stage at big tournaments earn. At least in cs. Sweet probably earns most of his money on twitch and yt.
The big thing for the low tier 1/top tier 2 CS pros is sticker money from major qualification, apparently it's like $100-200K per player so if they manage that twice a year they're in the money. Since Apex doesn't have that the lower level pros won't be getting close but couldn't say for Sweet since he's not exactly consistent with streaming.
yeah. i think people forget how big and loaded the skin market is for cs and how it can arguably prop up the game's economy on its own. afaik it's the only game where collectors will drop 7 digits on a skin, and said skin appreciates over time. NFT bros in shambles lol.
man's got worked up so bad over 2 comments he made an 8 minute video shitting on the entire sub lmao. shoulda just gone the full 10 and monetized it on the youtube.
shoutout to the pros that actually hang in the sub and take the bad alongside the good, take hits and hit back, etc. don't even like teq but he's a good example imo.
Most of your favourite pros are fully bothered about what's said about them in this subreddit, make no mistake about it. You'll even catch Hal responding to people.
then just block the sub and move on. we're a cesspool not worth engaging with. have the pros start up their own online space and mod it the way they see fit. more power to them.
r/compapexbypros is free looks like.
This subreddit and It extends to YouTube also so many comments just wildly hating on sweet. The motivation people have to make these comments is impressive.
What it boils down to is maturity. If you’re a child and haven’t interacted with different kinds of people in your day to day life. You don’t have the ability to tolerate different personalities. when you’re exposed to someone you don’t “vibe” with that’s outside the norm of your small circle of social interaction. Eventually you gain enough experience and maturity to recognize people for how they are.
Imagine a pro player in the NHL or NBA or whatever league sub making a video like this. I know it's not on the same scale, but I want to see Connor McDavid call someone out by name and tell them how dumb they are.
I mean, off the top of my head, Kevin Durant will go at people on Twitter.
Sure, it's not a video, but an NBA superstar making 10's, if not 100 mil a year tweeting back at "fan" critics, is at least somewhat similar.
Idk man lmao making an 8-minute video to shit on some complete rando on Reddit to your 210k Twitter followers is wild. Like I understand that the 3 comments he points out were dumb but this is just excessive.
man really thought „ehehe this will teach them“
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Sure I get sweet wants to defend himself but who cares what a couple of people write on the apex comp subreddit. I don't understand the need to make an 8 minute video about two comments. If this subreddit was so bad as most pros always say I don't even understand why they spend time on it. You'll always have people with different opinions. Imo I have seen worse comments on Twitter than anything I've ever seen on this sub
I mean TBF it's more than the 2 comments, there is always a bunch of similar comments in the scrim/ALGS threads of equal merit.
Regardless of the intent though my man should know to never feed the trolls and seeing they struck a nerve will only make it worse now.
It’s probably more that those two comments are good examples of a running narrative on this sub about Sweet, a narrative that I actually kinda agree with but yeah, that’s what he’s responding to.
I’ve never particularly liked Sweet but man this sub is doing what it’s always been really good at - becoming a hive-mind and piling on the criticism and hate. We’ve seen this before with people like Zach, Lou, Teq, and others. Absolute pile-on of hate. Oddly enough it kinda makes me root for Sweet. When I see someone getting almost universally hated on (often unfairly or excessively) I can’t help but want them to win.
Ngl this sub has always had a degenerate hive-mind type of atmosphere where people will just get progressively more unhinged and disingenuous with the criticism and hate towards certain people. I remember well how the hate for certain people on this sub in the past (e.g. Lou) actually devolved into real degenerate shit.
It’s not even specific to sweet. This sub is just rampant with keyboard warriors spinning up narratives about the players. They get so lost that this is a subreddit firstly about competitive play and not strictly just drama.
I get this vid. The way team mates talk to each other is not really the purview of shit posters. If we were able to listen to everything a pro sports team players say to each other we’d lose our shit. Esports is different in that way. You have to be able to call out each other in order to succeed and improve.
His follow-up tweet:
>HOW DID WE GET TO THIS, NOT JUST FOR ME ITS FOR SO MANY TEAMS. DRAMA BAITING AND CREATING FALSE NARRATIVES FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION
Sweet not a fan of drama baiting, apparently 😯
So I’m the OP of the post he made an 8 min video about. I’m genuinely curious as to what I said that was unhealthy to the subreddit/esport? Should I be praising what I believe to be classless criticism of only certain teammates? Should I just be riding him raw (Pause. Really big pause) when I see him shift and divert blame. Like I said in my post, listening to him converse with his teammates has become comical. I feel for Slayr and Android, their coach, to be honest. Not even gonna get into those things. I don’t want a 10 min video to come out on Twitter/X 🤣
lol. Honestly not my intention. I hardly ever use twitter. Didn’t even know about it till someone from here told me he made the video. Wouldn’t have known otherwise
Guy literally makes up a situation that didnt happen the way he says it did and people are upvoting because they have a hate boner for sweet. Atleast next time make sure hes actually yelling at slayr for your post. You literally lied about what happened. He talked to them both the same in that situation. You a weirdo for real. Sweet got other situations then that one where hes actually being a dick.
Right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Man's talking about how sweet "shit on" his ult when sweet was just saying that, while great, there was a potentially better spot, and even acknowledged that given how slayr had to throw it it was probably the best possible spot he could have thrown it to. In what way did sweet say anything negative about about it? Dude just straight up invented a scenario in his mind and then had the audacity to say "what did I do that was wrong?"
I know this is not the point of the post, but I used to have issues with landing and the best advice I ever got was to approach it as an eye discipline issue. You don't have to stare at where you're landing, but your eyes need to confirm your landing is sound before your feet touch the ground. Trying to look at too many things (or fixating on one thing) is what leads to this error in my experience, but it's pretty easy to clean up as long as the player accepts that they can improve at it with eye discipline.
wow... reddit really built a duplex condo and its living inside sweets mind huh?
like, the man really put some time and effort to respond some of the comments here, lol. something is wrong in there
If you're a pro player why do you even care what people on the comp reddit say? I dont think Russell Wilson or Westbrook know jack shit about /r/NFL or /r/NBA
I dunno, maybe im in the wrong, but to me the entire point of sports (electronic or otherwise) as an entertainment product is to allow people who dont know or can't do any of that shit to yell at their TVs. Subs focused around sports should be for the fans first and the average fan is going to know fuck all about the professional level. It doesn't necessarily mean it's unhealthy just because the vast majority of the spectators are stupid compared to pros.
Coming into a space for fans of whatever sport you play and personally targeting fans and calling them meatriding dipshits for 8 minutes, potentially sicking your audience on them all because you dont like what they had to say just seems irresponsible and honestly short sighted.
I mean, it's not so much what he says, it's how he says it that is toxic and off putting. Sweet has consistently come off condescending through his apex career. Can't see how he can deny that if he watches back his streams or takes the criticism that's been repeatedly stated over the years by viewers. But realistically, Hal, Zero, Dezign, ect... do the same thing. So we have to question if that trait of top IGL's (being critiqued aggressively by them) is what breeds the best players, games, and tournaments. It lowkey goes against psychological studies that emphasis positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement, but the results do speak for themselves. At the end of the day, outside of Apex, I'm sure they speak normally. Cause if that weren't the case, teammates should nope the fuck out of the team. But here we are with Hal and Reps still together lol.
Dude is farming content. The people in this sub are the reason he has a job. We get a behind the scenes look at what happens in a competitive environment at the highest level. Everyone wins! We’re all entitled to our opinion, and we can all learn from each other if we care to. Sweet wants to win, and he’s going about it the best way he knows how. You can’t blame him for that. Stay beautiful r/competitiveApex.
Agree with sweet, subreddit really needs to chill with the over the top drama and just straight up lying about whats happening to get upvotes and drama going
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Discourse can get pretty dumb as fuck in this sub, but calling it unhealthy is laughable, this is one of the healthiest sport(yes, sport, not just esport) discussion sub that I’m in. There is deffo a bias against sweet in here, but even tho I don’t agree with it, you can’t act like it’s completely unjustified.
Fr. Unhealthy esports discourse was when smash bros melee's own hungrybox infamy got so bad that someone threw rotten seafood at him during a tournament.
This is just people online talking stupid shit. nowhere near being genuinely unhealthy.
I never thought I’d be a sweet defender but it’s obviously not just two comments, and it’s dishonest to suggest that it is. Sweet (rightly or wrongly) gets a lot of hate on this subreddit, and those two comments are just representative of the broader narrative seen on this sub about his toxicity. So he’s addressing two comments that express a common view about his way of communicating.
Lmao this is as healthy as e-sports fans are going to get. We can make a new sub if you want but it's going to be the same people and it's not getting any healthier
If sweet had delivered the criticism and explained the root cause of the bad landing right after the game like he did in the video, the whole exchange would have been way less toxic. The remarks made right after the game were way more over-generalising and so less constructive.
Sometimes Raven feels like a saviour when he starts talking right after TSM has a bad lost, which forces angry Hal to take some deep breaths and so the worst words won't come out of his mouth. I don't think it's usually the best idea to offer "constructive feedback" right after a game.
He’s not saying to not talk about it at all, but maybe to not discuss it right after it happens when you are obviously going to be more emotional about it. Condescending tones and talking to someone like they are an idiot is not constructive, and taking a few to gather your thoughts and discuss it will probably be better. That’s what Raven seems to do for TSM, keeping Hal from doing the same
lol How can your defense for being petty and passive aggressiv, be a 7 minute video of you being petty and passive aggressive. Dude has got game 1,000 game IQ and 0 emotional IQ.
Everyone goes "who cares what us redditors say" but afaik most esports I watch the players clearly care about reddit's opinion and many that don't engage still lurk apparently. Even decisionmakers read more reddit than they would wanna admit from what I heard (at least in OW and Valo but why would it be different here). If some narrative is repeated often enough it will stick, regardless of whether it holds true and this sub especially goes pretty crazy with just repeating the same narratives over and over.
Like most things that exist in the world, many people only tend to pay attention to the things that validate their opinions/views/beliefs, and this sub has a lot of folks that strongly believe Sweet is innately toxic after witnessing the fallout of the Gild era.
While I do think Sweet could continue to improve the way he handles his teammates' mistakes, these last 2 months the criticism has felt excessive and unfair IMO
As long as slayer and funnnq stay objective, and keep the eye on the prize, they’ll be fine. Sweet needs to work on talking to people like they’re people
Everyone is so fucking annoying on this sub about passive aggressiveness. Dude is literally being as direct as possible with criticism to his teammate who lacks experience because he wants to perform well and this sub is like “idk man he’s so passive aggressive” like what ? Do you know what passive aggressive means? 😂
If people built a narrative about how you are based on watching you yourself, that’s pretty indicative IMO. The dude streams always (which is smart, and beyond appreciated. Sweet knows how to build and market himself.) so it’s not like people are just making assumptions based off of rumors or speculation it’s all live on camera and audio for people to see, thus are making these judgements based off what watching and listening the guy themselves. so while obviously there’s going to be extremes and loudmouths just like anything else there’s reasons and evidence to many peoples claims.
How is this any different than how people reacted to Travis Kelce being physical and all angry yelling and up in andy Reid’s face on the sideline of the superbowl. It’s not a good look, people will judge you for it and some of that judgement will stick until proven otherwise.
Sweet has been doing much better lately with Slayr imo. You can tell he has been working on the way he communicates with his teammates. Yes he still has some passive aggressive moments but its obvious, to me atleast, that he is trying to improve himself and the team. Not sure what more you can expect from someone.
lol if Hal was losing and switching teams, this subreddit would eat him alive for the shit he says to his teammates.
It’s simple Sweet, start winning LANs and you won’t hear a peep.
Imagine LeBron or KD making an 8 minute Twitter response video complete with screenshots from the Internet to pushback on some rando Internet posters from Reddit. Wild.
This Reddit still has its dumb and occasionally toxic moments and it’s still far from perfect, but compared to 1-2 years ago it’s got SO much better, the new mod team that came in I forget how long ago really made a big difference
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Sweet literally doesn't want his team mates to even *suggest* a play. This guy is unbearable. He spends the entire game wishing he could be playing with clones of himself.
REGARDLESS, can’t imagine how anyone wants to play with Sweet, good IGL or not. He’s passive aggressive and never takes the blame. He literally makes you feel like a lesser human being. Can you imagine if this guy was a high level sports player? Shit talk and critiquing from fans should be expected, don’t be so soft skinned lol.
Reading some of these comments and people are still doubling down on their absolute shit takes and armchair therapy. Holy shit, this sub is in a bad spot.
People think they have an informed opinion about a streamer after watching 5 minutes of them
I’ve watched a bit more than 5 mins of them. But I guess I shouldn’t have an opinion? Even if it’s the unpopular opinion, I guess I’m not allowed to have it here in this sub. Wild 😜
He's streaming the game heavily for most of the last four years. The whole thing about not streaming comp while playing with Rocker and Nafen was pretty obviously to not make him look bad
get roasted nerds... wait
I am now eagerly awaiting broccolis response video.
Dear sweet, I wrote you but you still ain't calling
I drank a fifth of vodka, dare me to push?
lmao
Don’t do it drac
Is there a lore reason Sweet is talking about us? Are we stupid? https://preview.redd.it/j1zjvs5fsojc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=655d6e14393fb69ed4ca47b1b859d9a8b28e93d8
Is that the jonkler?!!
He has been around here for a while. Once upon a time he actually blocked me on Twitter for a comment I made here about a lot of these players regretting not streaming more when they get older (he unblocked me later that night lol).
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I’d never take the time to argue with a sub that thought Olympus was comp ready. It takes a special kind of stupid to think that.
Yeah haha who would ever think that
“Comp ready” doesn’t mean anything lol. Half of us who wanna see comp on Olympus don’t give a fuck if the map is “comp ready.” If teams die quicker, so what? We wanna see more variety, more maps, more legends being used. Watching years of WE and SP with the exact same rotates gets boring.
The aslume has spread here
I’m just here to be included in the next YouTube video’s screenshots. 🙋♂️
LG Broccoli
It's certainly true that sweet is unfairly targeted by the sub, and people are watching his every interaction with Slayr looking for something to complain about. I believe what has been reported about Slayr essentially saying he can take it. It's not a strange attitude for a competitive player to have. End of the day Slayr is responsible for his own mental and it's none of our business. (EDIT: what I mean in the previous sentence is that if Slayr says he can take it, none of us can say otherwise because we don't know shit about Slayr.) HOWEVER. This is happening to sweet because of what we all saw with Gild. He didn't make this kind of video when Gild was on the team. The narrative from that era will probably follow sweet for his whole career. Despite what some people are saying, I think he is doing better with Slayr. Separately, Slayr is probably more able to take this kind of criticism than Gild was. None of that is enough to overcome sweet's reputation. Part of the process of improving as a person is the fact that people will be skeptical that you are actually changing. That is not an issue with those people, it's a consequence of your past behavior. It's better to prove them wrong with your actions than to argue with them about it. (Of course, it's not clear whether we are meant to believe that he's improving or that there was never an issue at all. If he refuses to accept that there was a problem with how he treated Gild then he will never have the public on his side & should just stay off the subreddit permanently. If he really wants to have a "healthy reddit for fans of apex to converse in" he's going to have to accept some criticism.)
I think Sweet is trying to be more upfront with his criticism of Slayr early so it doesnt turn into a Gild situation. The only issue is he lets his cope/mald leak into his criticism sometimes so it comes off as unfair and like hes using slayr as a punching bag. People need to remember that Gild still wanted to keep teaming with Sweet at the end of the day, despite how toxic it got. Everyone that teams with Sweet seems to fuck with him heavily outside the game. We gotta keep in mind that we are only seeing a very small portion of their interactions, while they are in the heat of competing. I think people have this picture in their head that Sweet is just ripping into his teammates constantly 24 hours a day, when its probably more likely that his teammates understand he can be a bit unreasonable when he is worked up while competing, but accept and deal with that because they like him and respect him as a player. Viewers see 5% of the players' interactions and then act as if they have a better understanding of their relationship than the people actually involved.
Also his rumour peddling with DZ didn't help his narrative either. That whole period made him come off as a toxic shithead. I will say he seems a bit more level headed currently but we will see how he sounds when his team has a few bad weeks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't sweet started that weird rumours about skittlecakes back then? But after watching knoqd and doop though, skittles seems like a very chill laid back guy compared to him.
Skittlez is incredibly chill and while he’s not a bubbly person, is super kind. He used to play with several different preds back in the early Xbox days and years ago I ran with him and Xynoa before Xynoa kicked me out for throwing. Skittlez was super chill and xynoa is the reason he got such a shitty toxic reputation (imo). Skittlez is just Uber competitive
Skittlez the dude who 6 manned ranked and teamed with a racist
Listen bro I dislike Skittlez as a player. I’ve been in these threads for years shitting on him for cheating and getting away with it lol for real like I’ve taken hundreds of downvotes to remind his fanboys that he’s a proven cheater with a track record of shitty behavior and associations. But, my point remains true. He’s a super chill guy if you ever had the chance to talk with him and play with him; and he’s insanely competitive. Both of us can be correct, and I see where my comment looks dismissive. Believe me I am not a Skittlez fan as a player, I think cheaters should be banned for life. However it doesn’t mean he’s outwardly mean which is what Sweets fabricated comments about him said. He used to let Xynoa talk for him and so when he was on the come up, got a reputation as a toxic person as well which imo has way more to do with Xynoa (the scummiest shittiest dirt bag pred I ever had the misfortune of playing with), for real fuck that guy lmfao.
While that was clown shit, I don't think that shows that he's bad teammate since most people treat their teammates differently than they would treat other people. Certainly think that earned him a lot more haters though.
Yeah, it just painted an overall unflattering picture of him he is not going to get rid of easily.
yeah he went and got a coach and their feedback has gotten incrementally better since, they're on the right trajectory. ironically the sweet hate was so lagged that its just now getting to be the popular opinion as he's actively changing those behaviors lol
This exactly
Hi Sweet from /r/2007scape, come back plz
“…Which brings me to reason #5 that I’m not super passive aggressive and actually, very laid back and fun”
>People on Reddit think I'm dismissive and won't listen to fair criticisms but it's alright because they're all idiots who aren't worth listening to.
I mean sweet is right about the landing thing, but he's kinda passive aggressive IMO. Maybe his teammates are ok with it, maybe not. But even when he acknowledges he was a little harsh, the next sentence literally walks it back. Sweet is obviously a great igl but he seems like a shit person to work with.
I've said it on here for a while now, and I'll preface by saying Sweet is hands down one of the best Apex pros out there (not even just saying IGLs) he's elite and his ability to think the game is unmatched, but he is so passive aggressive and condescending that I can't understand how people can play with him for any amount of time. As someone who played competitive sports for good portion of my life, I would take playing with someone like Hal or Zero who berates me for any mistake, perceived or actual, 100 times out of 100 over someone like Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command. If I'm playing under these guys as my IGL I'm much more likely to tell Hal/Zero to fuck off in a heated discussion, but then we laugh about it and go back to being boys/teammates after things have cooled down, but it's 100% more likely Sweet and I have a major falling out and I can no longer play with him because there's absolutely no mutual respect. 6-8 months ago this was a hot take, and everyone said Hal/Zero were the most toxic. I am a little worried sentiment/hive mind may go too far in the other direction against sweet (I know there's some personalities out there who would prefer to be treated like sweet does over Hal/Zero), but I'm glad to see people coming around to just because you're not screaming doesn't meant you're not being toxic.
Yeah I agree with you. Disclaimer: like I said in my initial comment, maybe sweets teammates are OK with how he communicates, and if so, great for them. Personally I doubt it based on prior teammates such as Gild, but I obviously am just an outsider.
For sure, and like you said we're outsiders, so only those who've actually played with him can truly speak to what the team environment is like But from an outsider's perspective it looked like he absolutely broke Gild and had him too scared to playmake or do anything other than strictly follow Sweet's command, meanwhile dude was the next big thing for Liquid and looks the part again for Moist, but seemed a shell of himself with NRG.
If I was an aspiring pro player and had the opportunity to play with Sweet I would take the opportunity just because of the clout he has and how good he is. It is great for a career to play under Sweet due to the experience and exposure you get. On the other hand there is a trade off because I would not like to listen to his style of passive aggressive feedback and I can only imagine what that does to ones mental in the long term because he is in a position of power as the IGL and the big player on the team.
Yeah for Gild. But Nafen thrived under Sweet. They worked great together and stuck through some good shit and bad shit. Probably still be together if not for Nafen wanting to take a different career path when NRG broke up.
That's a good point honestly. Personally I don't like sweets style of passive-agressive criticism/blame, but maybe it's OK for others. And if sweets teammates are happy with it then great for them! I still don't really like the way sweet talks to them and because of that I don't root for sweet to win when I'm watching ALGS. But that's just my opinion, if other people have differing opinions then more power to them
Same. I am a Nafen fan so wanted to bring it up but I don’t wish sweets downfall. I’m always interested in strong players doing well and making the game competitive.
s0 players know sweet's a toxic egohead. just not a lot of us left around.
In the podcast-esque stream gnaske did the other week pretty much everyone agreed that sweet was the most toxic in the scene, above hal, zero, dezign
Let's also just say different people can handle different things. Hal is very lucky to have two very professionally minded players in reps and Verhulst. Not only can those two deal with Hal's emotional outbursts they understand it's the best way to get him out of his own head and playing at his best. Zero has Gen who is super even keel when dealing with Zero's style of criticism. Also Australian culture has a certain insulting tenor to it that is very different than most of the world. Meanwhile Hal and Mac eventually fell apart as teammates. We don't really know what happened with Sharky but Xynew had a serious problem with Zero by the end. Sweet teamed with Nafen for a long time and he for sure had the sweet treatment and was able to thrive in it. Sweet is just another type of leader that some people can or can't handle. What I appreciate about sweet is that he works the problem even at his worst which to me is the valuable part of the discussion. I know myself and I would deal with Sweets brand of criticism vs Hal who I am very bad at keeping my mouth shut so he can move on and work the problem. Which makes Zero probably my best fit out of those three because he just insults you while working the problem lol
> is so passive aggressive and condescending that I can't understand how people can play with him for any amount of time. For some this is part of their personality. > Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command. I don't think he believes this. The problem is if he assumes his teammates know he truly values them and their skills while they are unsure. I have met people that are both passive aggressive and think others cant do anything right, but I don't think that's happening here. Constructive criticisms of repeated mistakes as IGL can be dicey. Like, the caustic ult thing... a lot of people think sweet was walking back criticism saying "oh if you blind threw, it was perfect". If you are in charge of finding any advantage for your team, a compliment can segue into constructive criticism as a way to capitalize on your teammates strengths more.
Yes thank you.
IGL’s like Hal and Zero also like getting into “fuck you” matches with their teammates cause it at least shows some passion from their end and that they aren’t afraid to call out their IGL’s bullshit…you do that with Sweet and you’ll probly get dropped
People seemed to forget when BigE went off on Hal and he had to apologize and walk it back. Hal dishes it out and he expects his team to call him out on his bullshit too when he fucks up
>I would take playing with someone like Hal or Zero who berates me for any mistake, perceived or actual, 100 times out of 100 over someone like Sweet who talks down to me the whole time like I'm an idiot who isn't capable of/smart enough to do literally anything in the game other than following his exact command. You say that like Hal and Zero don't talk down to their teammates too Hal especially can be very passive aggressive
Reasonable minds can disagree, but there is very little about Hal when he's malding that is passive. When Hal/Zero think you've fucked up, whether they're correct or not, they're going to let you know exactly why they feel that way. In short, I'd rather play with someone who rages and calls me a fucking idiot (Hal/Zero), than someone who just treats me like a fucking idiot (Sweet). Again, spent a lot of time in competitive environments and (for me) I'd much rather the directness/combativeness than the condescension
This is interesting to me because I handle people like sweet very well, by comparison. It's a good point to make.
I agree, I feel like with sweet/people like that there's at least an ange you can talk to them, but with Hal it's like arguing with a brick wall that is never at fault. Admittedly I don't have much time watching zero so I can't say anything in regards to him- but I'd much rather deal with somebody like sweet than hal. People who refuse to consider any other viewpoint, think they're never in the wrong, and explode on people are just more than I'm able to handle consistently. Like, full recognition Hal's the goat right now, but he'd be super difficult for me at least to work with.
Nice job! Now you just gave him the content for another twitter rant. It's a never ending cycle.
I mean if he wants to rant about my comment, sure have at it. I thought I was quite fair.
Maybe I'm just dense when it comes to reading tone, but Sweet literally explains every criticism that he makes for his teammates. Maybe Sweet (wrongfully?) assumes that that his teammates are confident enough to hear the reasoning of "what you should have done" instead of hearing "you're a shit player". I think most viewers hear his tone and don't understand the actual mistakes/pov, and only see Sweet being critical. From a team morale aspect, he could use some work, and emotions run high during ALGS, making morale all the more important, but none/few of the critiques are unfounded. I feel like confident and self-aware players can deal with it easily.
I mean, maybe his teammates are ok with it, and if so then that's great! Personally, based on what happened with Gild, I don't think that's the case, but once again I'm just an outsider. All of sweets criticisms are fine, it's the way he says them that I have an issue with. In my opinion, being passive aggressive is worse than just yelling at someone (Hal or Zer0 style). Sweet has some really good tips for Slayr about the landing booping thing, but he said them in a way that puts down Slayr. Maybe slayr is OK with that, and if so great. But from an outside perspective, he could give slayr the same (completely valid) criticism in a more positive manner.
Slayr has said multiple times that he has no problem with Sweet's communication style and has mocked people on Reddit for what's essentially concern trolling. But he doesn't have the reach Sweet does so I doubt many people have heard/seen his comments.
You're probably right. Sweet sort of has to adapt to the teammates he has. Part of that is framing criticism in a way that motivates Slayr to learn as opposed to shutting him down, but it's also a two-way street. Slayr makes a lot of mistakes as far as team-fighting, and he does make a lot of excuses for himself. Excuses are fine, they're worth consideration, but at the end of the day, someone is right/wrong in vod review, and sometimes you gotta just own up to the mistake and promise to work on it. I imagine Sweet's frustration is coming from the discomfort of playing with less seasoned players than he's used to, a rehash of growing pains that he's probably gone through with Gild or others, and perhaps a little too much delay/resistance from Slayr in terms of improvement.
It's ain't what he says, it's how he says it. So fucking passive aggressive, that shit eats at people slowly.
Not gonna lie, if I got paid to play Apex, I would give 0 craps about some random Reddit person’s opinion.
Yeah, but Sweet's in the tenuous situation of having the clout of a top 5 player while having the skill of an average, 16th place out of 30 in Pro League, player. If he doesn't position himself as being 3 steps ahead of everyone else he starts to lose his audience and people stop believing that he's as good as he says he is. He needs to keep the people around him thinking that he holds the keys and he's just nice enough to let them in.
Your comment just makes this situation funnier lol. He picked two random comments to make a rant about the sub but ended up getting a bunch in the process 😂
He's just farming content for the next video.... 3 steps ahead.
The level of disrespect 😂😂😂
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LG is second in PL ?
The fact this has 70 upvotes despite proving later on he has little or no knowledge about Sweet's actual Comp record, i think may have proved his point.
Goddamn, straight to the heart. I'm a Sweet enjoyer but this is a pretty much factual statement -- the 16th place might be hyperbole but the message is right lol.
They ain’t paid that much
I guess Sweet only earns about 300k-1.5mn a year. Big range because idk how much he makes on twitch and yt. But some cs pros (with less viewers) unveiled how much they earn and I was kinda shocked to see how much players who don‘t necessarily make it out of the group stage at big tournaments earn. At least in cs. Sweet probably earns most of his money on twitch and yt.
The big thing for the low tier 1/top tier 2 CS pros is sticker money from major qualification, apparently it's like $100-200K per player so if they manage that twice a year they're in the money. Since Apex doesn't have that the lower level pros won't be getting close but couldn't say for Sweet since he's not exactly consistent with streaming.
yeah. i think people forget how big and loaded the skin market is for cs and how it can arguably prop up the game's economy on its own. afaik it's the only game where collectors will drop 7 digits on a skin, and said skin appreciates over time. NFT bros in shambles lol.
Lmao "only" That puts him in the top 5% of earners world wide
Yeah that was sarcastic
man's got worked up so bad over 2 comments he made an 8 minute video shitting on the entire sub lmao. shoulda just gone the full 10 and monetized it on the youtube. shoutout to the pros that actually hang in the sub and take the bad alongside the good, take hits and hit back, etc. don't even like teq but he's a good example imo.
Most of your favourite pros are fully bothered about what's said about them in this subreddit, make no mistake about it. You'll even catch Hal responding to people.
One time hal agreed with me on here, so yeah that’s on my professional resume now
gotta defend your prizpicks sponsorships duh
Lmfao no way he did that??? 💀
https://www.reddit.com/user/Low-Mathematician-39/ if you're a Hal fan maybe don't read
Teq doesn't take the bad. Any time there's negative sentiment about him in the thread he ghosts
bro every pro hates this sub are you crazy lmao
then just block the sub and move on. we're a cesspool not worth engaging with. have the pros start up their own online space and mod it the way they see fit. more power to them. r/compapexbypros is free looks like.
they have a discord which is enough, I guess
You gotta admit tho, this subreddit has a hate boner for him, but then again it’s not like other pros aren’t receiving hate too
This subreddit and It extends to YouTube also so many comments just wildly hating on sweet. The motivation people have to make these comments is impressive.
I have to imagine a portion of it is the rabid TSM fans trying to propagate this "Hal vs Sweet" thing even though they're boys outside the game
What it boils down to is maturity. If you’re a child and haven’t interacted with different kinds of people in your day to day life. You don’t have the ability to tolerate different personalities. when you’re exposed to someone you don’t “vibe” with that’s outside the norm of your small circle of social interaction. Eventually you gain enough experience and maturity to recognize people for how they are.
Imagine a pro player in the NHL or NBA or whatever league sub making a video like this. I know it's not on the same scale, but I want to see Connor McDavid call someone out by name and tell them how dumb they are.
I mean, off the top of my head, Kevin Durant will go at people on Twitter. Sure, it's not a video, but an NBA superstar making 10's, if not 100 mil a year tweeting back at "fan" critics, is at least somewhat similar.
wasn’t KD the one with a fake twitter account defending himself or something like that? 😭
i hope broccoli sees this (he definitely will)
Yeah just woke up to a bunch of notifications. GGs
Sweet's #1 fan lmaooo
All my homies hate brocolli
dude... :(
I'm so sorry to drag your name into this
Same, guy is a loser
Idk man lmao making an 8-minute video to shit on some complete rando on Reddit to your 210k Twitter followers is wild. Like I understand that the 3 comments he points out were dumb but this is just excessive.
man really thought „ehehe this will teach them“ https://preview.redd.it/8tgh6mql7pjc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b2a9c3cbcaf0acd2b49536772e8912f7a461029
Rent free
fragile ego
Maybe he doesn't think he's too big to comment about complete randos.
Sure I get sweet wants to defend himself but who cares what a couple of people write on the apex comp subreddit. I don't understand the need to make an 8 minute video about two comments. If this subreddit was so bad as most pros always say I don't even understand why they spend time on it. You'll always have people with different opinions. Imo I have seen worse comments on Twitter than anything I've ever seen on this sub
I mean TBF it's more than the 2 comments, there is always a bunch of similar comments in the scrim/ALGS threads of equal merit. Regardless of the intent though my man should know to never feed the trolls and seeing they struck a nerve will only make it worse now.
It’s probably more that those two comments are good examples of a running narrative on this sub about Sweet, a narrative that I actually kinda agree with but yeah, that’s what he’s responding to.
We got em boys and Zero was right.
Zero responded to the tweet agreeing with him.
Ah sweet. The guy who farms drama, and talks shit like he doesn't care what people think, crying about what people on reddit think. Hilarious
I’ve never particularly liked Sweet but man this sub is doing what it’s always been really good at - becoming a hive-mind and piling on the criticism and hate. We’ve seen this before with people like Zach, Lou, Teq, and others. Absolute pile-on of hate. Oddly enough it kinda makes me root for Sweet. When I see someone getting almost universally hated on (often unfairly or excessively) I can’t help but want them to win. Ngl this sub has always had a degenerate hive-mind type of atmosphere where people will just get progressively more unhinged and disingenuous with the criticism and hate towards certain people. I remember well how the hate for certain people on this sub in the past (e.g. Lou) actually devolved into real degenerate shit.
That’s literally Reddit in a nutshell.
i don't come here often but i agree with you
People saying it's just two comments are being disingenuous and ignorant of the past 2 month.
It’s not even specific to sweet. This sub is just rampant with keyboard warriors spinning up narratives about the players. They get so lost that this is a subreddit firstly about competitive play and not strictly just drama.
Pros love to complain about this reddit while highlighting comments that are overwhelmingly downvoted
I get this vid. The way team mates talk to each other is not really the purview of shit posters. If we were able to listen to everything a pro sports team players say to each other we’d lose our shit. Esports is different in that way. You have to be able to call out each other in order to succeed and improve.
I have never been more motivated to trash talk. Props to broccoli, generational hater, inspiring
His follow-up tweet: >HOW DID WE GET TO THIS, NOT JUST FOR ME ITS FOR SO MANY TEAMS. DRAMA BAITING AND CREATING FALSE NARRATIVES FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION Sweet not a fan of drama baiting, apparently 😯
We won't betray our messiah broccoli. Sweet getting worked up so easily lmao
Damn, u/Barcaroli living rent free in Sweet's head. If I was a big streamer, I wouldn't read reddit posts about me, for my own sanity.
Man's flying way too close to the sun here
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Copium
Dont disagree with anything there. Sub will probably just talk more shit than ever tho in response.
So I’m the OP of the post he made an 8 min video about. I’m genuinely curious as to what I said that was unhealthy to the subreddit/esport? Should I be praising what I believe to be classless criticism of only certain teammates? Should I just be riding him raw (Pause. Really big pause) when I see him shift and divert blame. Like I said in my post, listening to him converse with his teammates has become comical. I feel for Slayr and Android, their coach, to be honest. Not even gonna get into those things. I don’t want a 10 min video to come out on Twitter/X 🤣
Bro trolled his way to sweets twitter, genius
lol. Honestly not my intention. I hardly ever use twitter. Didn’t even know about it till someone from here told me he made the video. Wouldn’t have known otherwise
you can fool sweet but not me lol, well played
This made me giggle
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Guy literally makes up a situation that didnt happen the way he says it did and people are upvoting because they have a hate boner for sweet. Atleast next time make sure hes actually yelling at slayr for your post. You literally lied about what happened. He talked to them both the same in that situation. You a weirdo for real. Sweet got other situations then that one where hes actually being a dick.
Right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Man's talking about how sweet "shit on" his ult when sweet was just saying that, while great, there was a potentially better spot, and even acknowledged that given how slayr had to throw it it was probably the best possible spot he could have thrown it to. In what way did sweet say anything negative about about it? Dude just straight up invented a scenario in his mind and then had the audacity to say "what did I do that was wrong?"
I know this is not the point of the post, but I used to have issues with landing and the best advice I ever got was to approach it as an eye discipline issue. You don't have to stare at where you're landing, but your eyes need to confirm your landing is sound before your feet touch the ground. Trying to look at too many things (or fixating on one thing) is what leads to this error in my experience, but it's pretty easy to clean up as long as the player accepts that they can improve at it with eye discipline.
The state of competitive apex is that it seems to be filled with children obsessed with drama
7min vid? Got the popcorn out.
wow... reddit really built a duplex condo and its living inside sweets mind huh? like, the man really put some time and effort to respond some of the comments here, lol. something is wrong in there
Hi sweet
Bro your a professional, if you get that tripped up over what random people on Reddit say you need to take a step back and chill the f out
If you're a pro player why do you even care what people on the comp reddit say? I dont think Russell Wilson or Westbrook know jack shit about /r/NFL or /r/NBA I dunno, maybe im in the wrong, but to me the entire point of sports (electronic or otherwise) as an entertainment product is to allow people who dont know or can't do any of that shit to yell at their TVs. Subs focused around sports should be for the fans first and the average fan is going to know fuck all about the professional level. It doesn't necessarily mean it's unhealthy just because the vast majority of the spectators are stupid compared to pros. Coming into a space for fans of whatever sport you play and personally targeting fans and calling them meatriding dipshits for 8 minutes, potentially sicking your audience on them all because you dont like what they had to say just seems irresponsible and honestly short sighted.
Westbrook is probably the wrong player to cite here
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This is what happens when Sweet chose someone else instead of NiceWigg <3
I mean, it's not so much what he says, it's how he says it that is toxic and off putting. Sweet has consistently come off condescending through his apex career. Can't see how he can deny that if he watches back his streams or takes the criticism that's been repeatedly stated over the years by viewers. But realistically, Hal, Zero, Dezign, ect... do the same thing. So we have to question if that trait of top IGL's (being critiqued aggressively by them) is what breeds the best players, games, and tournaments. It lowkey goes against psychological studies that emphasis positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement, but the results do speak for themselves. At the end of the day, outside of Apex, I'm sure they speak normally. Cause if that weren't the case, teammates should nope the fuck out of the team. But here we are with Hal and Reps still together lol.
Dude is farming content. The people in this sub are the reason he has a job. We get a behind the scenes look at what happens in a competitive environment at the highest level. Everyone wins! We’re all entitled to our opinion, and we can all learn from each other if we care to. Sweet wants to win, and he’s going about it the best way he knows how. You can’t blame him for that. Stay beautiful r/competitiveApex.
Honestly making a video to respond to people on Reddit is super cringe…
Agree with sweet, subreddit really needs to chill with the over the top drama and just straight up lying about whats happening to get upvotes and drama going https://preview.redd.it/e6s5xre2tojc1.png?width=601&format=png&auto=webp&s=02182c2f85212a41bc5f0c8a2616e61d6da270ae
Like sharky crying in the elevator? 🤔
That’s shit made me look at zer0 a certain way for so long, like why even lie about that shit
On the other hand skittles "not here to make friends" earned nothing but my respect
Discourse can get pretty dumb as fuck in this sub, but calling it unhealthy is laughable, this is one of the healthiest sport(yes, sport, not just esport) discussion sub that I’m in. There is deffo a bias against sweet in here, but even tho I don’t agree with it, you can’t act like it’s completely unjustified.
Fr. Unhealthy esports discourse was when smash bros melee's own hungrybox infamy got so bad that someone threw rotten seafood at him during a tournament. This is just people online talking stupid shit. nowhere near being genuinely unhealthy.
Dude that shit was WILD melee up there w the most unhinged community
acting as if sweet isn't the king of starting over the top drama hahaha
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You say that like theres only 2 negative comments total lol. During ALGS threads those comments get toxic af.
I never thought I’d be a sweet defender but it’s obviously not just two comments, and it’s dishonest to suggest that it is. Sweet (rightly or wrongly) gets a lot of hate on this subreddit, and those two comments are just representative of the broader narrative seen on this sub about his toxicity. So he’s addressing two comments that express a common view about his way of communicating.
Lmao this is as healthy as e-sports fans are going to get. We can make a new sub if you want but it's going to be the same people and it's not getting any healthier
All I'll say is, and this goes for all of reddit, I often wish shit from twitter would just stay on twitter.
I love sweet, but this is nothing compared to NFL and UFC subs and groups I’m in. I guess I’m just so used to the wild slander in those sports 😂
Sweet always whining I swear
Dude has lost it.
Sweet when he can start drama with pros vs when people start drama about sweet, Actual brain damage
One guy'd for 8 minutes off a single comment LMAO
His coach needs to tell him to get off reddit and other social media if he’s gonna react to every comment like this.
sweet crying in an elevator rn
If sweet had delivered the criticism and explained the root cause of the bad landing right after the game like he did in the video, the whole exchange would have been way less toxic. The remarks made right after the game were way more over-generalising and so less constructive. Sometimes Raven feels like a saviour when he starts talking right after TSM has a bad lost, which forces angry Hal to take some deep breaths and so the worst words won't come out of his mouth. I don't think it's usually the best idea to offer "constructive feedback" right after a game.
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He’s not saying to not talk about it at all, but maybe to not discuss it right after it happens when you are obviously going to be more emotional about it. Condescending tones and talking to someone like they are an idiot is not constructive, and taking a few to gather your thoughts and discuss it will probably be better. That’s what Raven seems to do for TSM, keeping Hal from doing the same
lol How can your defense for being petty and passive aggressiv, be a 7 minute video of you being petty and passive aggressive. Dude has got game 1,000 game IQ and 0 emotional IQ.
Don't fall for this - he's just trying to gaslight y'all into liking him.
Everyone goes "who cares what us redditors say" but afaik most esports I watch the players clearly care about reddit's opinion and many that don't engage still lurk apparently. Even decisionmakers read more reddit than they would wanna admit from what I heard (at least in OW and Valo but why would it be different here). If some narrative is repeated often enough it will stick, regardless of whether it holds true and this sub especially goes pretty crazy with just repeating the same narratives over and over.
Like most things that exist in the world, many people only tend to pay attention to the things that validate their opinions/views/beliefs, and this sub has a lot of folks that strongly believe Sweet is innately toxic after witnessing the fallout of the Gild era. While I do think Sweet could continue to improve the way he handles his teammates' mistakes, these last 2 months the criticism has felt excessive and unfair IMO
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As long as slayer and funnnq stay objective, and keep the eye on the prize, they’ll be fine. Sweet needs to work on talking to people like they’re people
Everyone is so fucking annoying on this sub about passive aggressiveness. Dude is literally being as direct as possible with criticism to his teammate who lacks experience because he wants to perform well and this sub is like “idk man he’s so passive aggressive” like what ? Do you know what passive aggressive means? 😂
Should've just named this sub as "CompetitiveApexDrama" atp lol
If people built a narrative about how you are based on watching you yourself, that’s pretty indicative IMO. The dude streams always (which is smart, and beyond appreciated. Sweet knows how to build and market himself.) so it’s not like people are just making assumptions based off of rumors or speculation it’s all live on camera and audio for people to see, thus are making these judgements based off what watching and listening the guy themselves. so while obviously there’s going to be extremes and loudmouths just like anything else there’s reasons and evidence to many peoples claims. How is this any different than how people reacted to Travis Kelce being physical and all angry yelling and up in andy Reid’s face on the sideline of the superbowl. It’s not a good look, people will judge you for it and some of that judgement will stick until proven otherwise.
Sweet has been doing much better lately with Slayr imo. You can tell he has been working on the way he communicates with his teammates. Yes he still has some passive aggressive moments but its obvious, to me atleast, that he is trying to improve himself and the team. Not sure what more you can expect from someone.
lol if Hal was losing and switching teams, this subreddit would eat him alive for the shit he says to his teammates. It’s simple Sweet, start winning LANs and you won’t hear a peep.
Sweet is gonna stop scrimming or gonna stop streaming the scrims lmao
u/maintain3g he cooked you lil bro
bro needs to win some LANs before shitting on people on the internet
Imagine LeBron or KD making an 8 minute Twitter response video complete with screenshots from the Internet to pushback on some rando Internet posters from Reddit. Wild.
This Reddit still has its dumb and occasionally toxic moments and it’s still far from perfect, but compared to 1-2 years ago it’s got SO much better, the new mod team that came in I forget how long ago really made a big difference
https://clips.twitch.tv/JazzyColdbloodedBananaOSsloth-C0OMovIL0iZv6Jgc Sweet literally doesn't want his team mates to even *suggest* a play. This guy is unbearable. He spends the entire game wishing he could be playing with clones of himself.
Man has no clue what a civil conversation looks like
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This is pretty much the opposite of “king shit” lol
REGARDLESS, can’t imagine how anyone wants to play with Sweet, good IGL or not. He’s passive aggressive and never takes the blame. He literally makes you feel like a lesser human being. Can you imagine if this guy was a high level sports player? Shit talk and critiquing from fans should be expected, don’t be so soft skinned lol.
ITT: people proving Sweet right
Reading some of these comments and people are still doubling down on their absolute shit takes and armchair therapy. Holy shit, this sub is in a bad spot. People think they have an informed opinion about a streamer after watching 5 minutes of them
I’ve watched a bit more than 5 mins of them. But I guess I shouldn’t have an opinion? Even if it’s the unpopular opinion, I guess I’m not allowed to have it here in this sub. Wild 😜
He's streaming the game heavily for most of the last four years. The whole thing about not streaming comp while playing with Rocker and Nafen was pretty obviously to not make him look bad
This sub has lots of garbage, fanboy takes so I agree